sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on May 15, 2021 0:32:07 GMT
apple.news/ASslsv_L8TP-8Er704G5mIQI think this is political , they want more people to vaccinate so get rid of masks as an incentive. Trump’s CDC and Biden’s CDC have both played politics. On a separate, is there a way to know if our vaccine produced a response. If I take an antibody test, should I have antibodies after being vaccinated? So how does it work being politically motivated, if no one is actually requiring proof of vaccination in order to allow you to come into a place maskless? The result seems to be that a decent amount of places seem to dropping requiring masks entirely rather than police that. So there is now zero incentive for those not vaccinated to get vaccinated. Do you think that’s what the CDC intended if their quest was to incentivize getting vaccinated?
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Post by used2scrap on May 15, 2021 1:08:07 GMT
Honest question: do you believe the CDC just isn't thinking about the children in this case? They didn't consider that in their calculus? . I think they figure kids won’t get very sick if they do get it. But I would have preferred if they would have waited until children were eligible. Sickest my kids have ever been in their lives was with Covid. Twice. So much for natural immunity. Which was allegedly extremely rare but not in this house. DD’s kidneys were failing and all sorts of other issues they couldn’t figure out. She’s now 16 and will be two weeks out from her second shot next Monday. Her high school is currently having a massive outbreak. Youngest (12) gets his first shot tomorrow. His two bouts with Covid were rough, but thankfully not deadly. So I guess it’s ok no one needs masks now to give a crap about unvaccinated kids? 🤷♀️
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Post by Merge on May 15, 2021 1:15:49 GMT
. I think they figure kids won’t get very sick if they do get it. But I would have preferred if they would have waited until children were eligible. Sickest my kids have ever been in their lives was with Covid. Twice. So much for natural immunity. Which was allegedly extremely rare but not in this house. DD’s kidneys were failing and all sorts of other issues they couldn’t figure out. She’s now 16 and will be two weeks out from her second shot next Monday. Her high school is currently having a massive outbreak. Youngest (12) gets his first shot tomorrow. His two bouts with Covid were rough, but thankfully not deadly. So I guess it’s ok no one needs masks now to give a crap about unvaccinated kids? 🤷♀️ I’m so sorry they’ve been so ill. Unvaccinated kids should definitely still wear a mask. The recent studies the CDC is using for this guidance indicate strongly that vaccinated, unmasked people are not a danger to them. No one is saying we shouldn’t give a crap about unvaccinated kids. Those of us old enough to be vaccinated must do so in order to protect anyone who cannot be vaccinated yet. But studies don’t suggest that wearing a mask after being fully vaccinated offers any additional protection. If I had family members who were unvaccinated, we’d probably be especially cautious about distancing during this time. My best wishes for good health going forward.
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Post by used2scrap on May 15, 2021 1:38:30 GMT
Sickest my kids have ever been in their lives was with Covid. Twice. So much for natural immunity. Which was allegedly extremely rare but not in this house. DD’s kidneys were failing and all sorts of other issues they couldn’t figure out. She’s now 16 and will be two weeks out from her second shot next Monday. Her high school is currently having a massive outbreak. Youngest (12) gets his first shot tomorrow. His two bouts with Covid were rough, but thankfully not deadly. So I guess it’s ok no one needs masks now to give a crap about unvaccinated kids? 🤷♀️ I’m so sorry they’ve been so ill. Unvaccinated kids should definitely still wear a mask. The recent studies the CDC is using for this guidance indicate strongly that vaccinated, unmasked people are not a danger to them. No one is saying we shouldn’t give a crap about unvaccinated kids. Those of us old enough to be vaccinated must do so in order to protect anyone who cannot be vaccinated yet. But studies don’t suggest that wearing a mask after being fully vaccinated offers any additional protection. If I had family members who were unvaccinated, we’d probably be especially cautious about distancing during this time. My best wishes for good health going forward. But the inherent problem is now the unvaccinated also have zero incentive to be cautious or caring to wear masks to protect the unvaccinated. They have a free pass.
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Post by Merge on May 15, 2021 1:52:36 GMT
I’m so sorry they’ve been so ill. Unvaccinated kids should definitely still wear a mask. The recent studies the CDC is using for this guidance indicate strongly that vaccinated, unmasked people are not a danger to them. No one is saying we shouldn’t give a crap about unvaccinated kids. Those of us old enough to be vaccinated must do so in order to protect anyone who cannot be vaccinated yet. But studies don’t suggest that wearing a mask after being fully vaccinated offers any additional protection. If I had family members who were unvaccinated, we’d probably be especially cautious about distancing during this time. My best wishes for good health going forward. But the inherent problem is now the unvaccinated also have zero incentive to be cautious or caring to wear masks to protect the unvaccinated. They have a free pass. I hear you. I don’t know what to say. I think ultimately employers and schools will solve this problem by requiring employees and students to be vaccinated as a condition of continued employment. We will never reach 100% vaccination. There will, unfortunately, never be a 100% guarantee on this for any of us. I hope that getting your kids fully vaccinated will remove some of the worry from your life, though I can understand that your particular version of post-traumatic stress from this will always include more worry for your kids than many of us might have. I wish I had something better to say.
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on May 15, 2021 1:55:03 GMT
apple.news/ASslsv_L8TP-8Er704G5mIQI think this is political , they want more people to vaccinate so get rid of masks as an incentive. Trump’s CDC and Biden’s CDC have both played politics. On a separate, is there a way to know if our vaccine produced a response. If I take an antibody test, should I have antibodies after being vaccinated? “If I get tested, what will the results tell me? An antibody test will show whether or not you have developed antibodies to COVID-19 after exposure or vaccination. “ Also pharmacies around here are offering antibody tests. They seem to run about $45 a test. Might be worth checking to see if there is any near you. If you want to know that you had an immune response, that maybe worth the peace of mind to concretely know you have them. A Covid antibody test runs $38 at a cvs minute clinic, if you have one near you.
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Post by sassyangel on May 15, 2021 2:01:30 GMT
I’m so sorry they’ve been so ill. Unvaccinated kids should definitely still wear a mask. The recent studies the CDC is using for this guidance indicate strongly that vaccinated, unmasked people are not a danger to them. No one is saying we shouldn’t give a crap about unvaccinated kids. Those of us old enough to be vaccinated must do so in order to protect anyone who cannot be vaccinated yet. But studies don’t suggest that wearing a mask after being fully vaccinated offers any additional protection. If I had family members who were unvaccinated, we’d probably be especially cautious about distancing during this time. My best wishes for good health going forward. But the inherent problem is now the unvaccinated also have zero incentive to be cautious or caring to wear masks to protect the unvaccinated. They have a free pass. I definitely get your frustration here, especially after what you’ve already been through. *hugs*
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Post by seaexplore on May 15, 2021 2:56:16 GMT
It’s been explained at least a million times why the guidance on wearing masks changed. I’m not even going to bother, you seem deaf to hearing the reasons and determined to point to that as a failure of the CDC. Why the mistrust? Because former undermined our trust in scientists, government and the media. That takes time, more than 100 days, to undo. Just because there’s a new administration does not mean that everyone will trust the CDC overnight. There are also degrees of mistrust. Most of what has been expressed here is a pause or hesitation. We’ve been wearing masks for over a year, now we don’t have to? As others have already expressed, after the emotional trauma of the last year, people need a minute to adjust. Compare that to the CDC is outright lying about the number of COVID deaths, there’s a massive conspiracy and cover-up. This is is not a gotcha or whataboutism no matter how much you try to make it. What you choose to ignore is the fact the "guidance" was changed because the CDC lied. It was a lie when we were told masks weren't necessary to stop the spread because the reality was they didn't want a shortage of masks. Two totally different things. That wasn't the last time the CDC and/or Fauci lied. When they changed the quarantine period from 14 days to 10 (or maybe it was 7)--it was originally said the "science" said 14 days wasn't necessary. Then we were told it was changed because the hope was more people would quarantine if it was only for 7 days. Again, two totally different things. Those "guidelines" weren't based on science, they were based on lies. There's more, I 'm not interested in putting more energy into it.
The administration, the CDC and Fauci are NOT on the same page. They have been and continue to contradict each other. Fauci says vaccines are safe and effective and then starts wearing 2 masks and goes on to say we might need to wear 3 masks. I thought the vaccines were effective? One day CDC says it's safe for kids to be in school. Next day administration says that was her personal opinion. Hmmm, ok; wtf? CDC says kids are safe to be in school 3 feet apart. Next day...no, they need to be 6 feet away from teachers. Another WTF? When the CDC said she couldn't get over the feeling of impending doom-was that an official feeling or personal feeling. Seriously, WTAF?
I have listened to more news and doctors than I could've ever imagined since this pandemic started. I've listened and read comments and directives directly from Fauci, the CDC and the administration across numerous platforms. If you haven't heard the lies and contradictions maybe you need to check and change your news sources instead of blaming anything and everything on Fox, OAN or Newsmax (that is so, so old).
And for the record--I'm not anti-vaxx, anti-mask or anti-science. I stayed home, masked up AND got vaccinated.
Yes to all of that! eta: I get the science. My issue is that everyone “in charge” seemed to be talking out both sides of their mouth and we never got a consistent message. Now? I think we’re finally getting everyone “in charge” on the same page. However, damage done, trust broken. That isn’t something that is easily remedied.
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Post by Merge on May 15, 2021 3:49:17 GMT
What you choose to ignore is the fact the "guidance" was changed because the CDC lied. It was a lie when we were told masks weren't necessary to stop the spread because the reality was they didn't want a shortage of masks. Two totally different things. That wasn't the last time the CDC and/or Fauci lied. When they changed the quarantine period from 14 days to 10 (or maybe it was 7)--it was originally said the "science" said 14 days wasn't necessary. Then we were told it was changed because the hope was more people would quarantine if it was only for 7 days. Again, two totally different things. Those "guidelines" weren't based on science, they were based on lies. There's more, I 'm not interested in putting more energy into it.
The administration, the CDC and Fauci are NOT on the same page. They have been and continue to contradict each other. Fauci says vaccines are safe and effective and then starts wearing 2 masks and goes on to say we might need to wear 3 masks. I thought the vaccines were effective? One day CDC says it's safe for kids to be in school. Next day administration says that was her personal opinion. Hmmm, ok; wtf? CDC says kids are safe to be in school 3 feet apart. Next day...no, they need to be 6 feet away from teachers. Another WTF? When the CDC said she couldn't get over the feeling of impending doom-was that an official feeling or personal feeling. Seriously, WTAF?
I have listened to more news and doctors than I could've ever imagined since this pandemic started. I've listened and read comments and directives directly from Fauci, the CDC and the administration across numerous platforms. If you haven't heard the lies and contradictions maybe you need to check and change your news sources instead of blaming anything and everything on Fox, OAN or Newsmax (that is so, so old).
And for the record--I'm not anti-vaxx, anti-mask or anti-science. I stayed home, masked up AND got vaccinated.
Yes to all of that! eta: I get the science. My issue is that everyone “in charge” seemed to be talking out both sides of their mouth and we never got a consistent message. Now? I think we’re finally getting everyone “in charge” on the same page. However, damage done, trust broken. That isn’t something that is easily remedied. Um, some of that is just plain false or twisted. Keep in mind that there were a lot of folks out to discredit Fauci and others who presented video that had been creatively edited, for the purpose of sowing exactly this kind of distrust. And yes, some of the worst offenders were on the outlets mentioned.
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Post by seaexplore on May 15, 2021 3:53:23 GMT
Yes to all of that! eta: I get the science. My issue is that everyone “in charge” seemed to be talking out both sides of their mouth and we never got a consistent message. Now? I think we’re finally getting everyone “in charge” on the same page. However, damage done, trust broken. That isn’t something that is easily remedied. Um, some of that is just plain false or twisted. Keep in mind that there were a lot of folks out to discredit Fauci and others who presented video that had been creatively edited, for the purpose of sowing exactly this kind of distrust. And yes, some of the worst offenders were on the outlets mentioned. Very true on the false and twisted. It just seems like for the last year things have been flipped back and forth so much that it was hard to find actual credible information. News sites are biased, CDC was removed from being in charge of info (but was it really?), studies say one thing one day and then another refutes it the next. I’m just over it. I want facts, non biased, truthful, no bullshit.
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Post by Merge on May 15, 2021 4:18:34 GMT
Um, some of that is just plain false or twisted. Keep in mind that there were a lot of folks out to discredit Fauci and others who presented video that had been creatively edited, for the purpose of sowing exactly this kind of distrust. And yes, some of the worst offenders were on the outlets mentioned. Very true on the false and twisted. It just seems like for the last year things have been flipped back and forth so much that it was hard to find actual credible information. News sites are biased, CDC was removed from being in charge of info (but was it really?), studies say one thing one day and then another refutes it the next. I’m just over it. I want facts, non biased, truthful, no bullshit. I chose to follow Peter Hotez, a world-renowned expert on infectious disease who doesn’t have government ties. His advice has been pretty consistent with what the CDC and Fauci have said. Right now he agrees with what they’re saying about masks for vaccinated people based on the latest research. He says he expected it - maybe a few weeks later, in June. If he says something different I’ll listen to that. Just FYI, and I’ve been consistent on this here for years - any form of TV/cable/video news is the worst place to get solid info IMO. Sound bites and creative editing create whole narratives that don’t actually exist. That goes for ALL outlets. Read articles, not just headlines. Understand context. Vet a credible source and then stick with that source.
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Post by seaexplore on May 15, 2021 4:45:02 GMT
Very true on the false and twisted. It just seems like for the last year things have been flipped back and forth so much that it was hard to find actual credible information. News sites are biased, CDC was removed from being in charge of info (but was it really?), studies say one thing one day and then another refutes it the next. I’m just over it. I want facts, non biased, truthful, no bullshit. I chose to follow Peter Hotez, a world-renowned expert on infectious disease who doesn’t have government ties. His advice has been pretty consistent with what the CDC and Fauci have said. Right now he agrees with what they’re saying about masks for vaccinated people based on the latest research. He says he expected it - maybe a few weeks later, in June. If he says something different I’ll listen to that. Just FYI, and I’ve been consistent on this here for years - any form of TV/cable/video news is the worst place to get solid info IMO. Sound bites and creative editing create whole narratives that don’t actually exist. That goes for ALL outlets. Read articles, not just headlines. Understand context. Vet a credible source and then stick with that source. I will look into Peter Hotez. I really would love to find a reliable, unbiased, not in someone’s pocket source. I haven’t watched ANY TV news for the past 14 months. The last time I watched it was March 13, 2000 as I was getting ready for work. I try to read articles and peer reviewed source journals when I’m reading up on things.
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Post by sassyangel on May 15, 2021 6:23:22 GMT
I chose to follow Peter Hotez, a world-renowned expert on infectious disease who doesn’t have government ties. His advice has been pretty consistent with what the CDC and Fauci have said. Right now he agrees with what they’re saying about masks for vaccinated people based on the latest research. He says he expected it - maybe a few weeks later, in June. If he says something different I’ll listen to that. Just FYI, and I’ve been consistent on this here for years - any form of TV/cable/video news is the worst place to get solid info IMO. Sound bites and creative editing create whole narratives that don’t actually exist. That goes for ALL outlets. Read articles, not just headlines. Understand context. Vet a credible source and then stick with that source. I will look into Peter Hotez. I really would love to find a reliable, unbiased, not in someone’s pocket source. I haven’t watched ANY TV news for the past 14 months. The last time I watched it was March 13, 2000 as I was getting ready for work. I try to read articles and peer reviewed source journals when I’m reading up on things. He’s on Twitter. And I agree with Merge. I find him very credible.
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Post by 50offscrapper on May 15, 2021 7:47:36 GMT
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Post by cade387 on May 15, 2021 11:11:44 GMT
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Post by compeateropeator on May 15, 2021 13:24:25 GMT
Ultimately it comes down to your perspective I guess. I will continue to wear a mask and take precautions until all age children can get the vaccination.
I have a 10 year old niece with type 1 diabetes. She has a hard enough life and the thought of her having to deal with Covid also just makes me so sad. I would give my life for her, so why would I not hold on for a bit longer with mask and social distancing? Just doesn’t make sense to me. And while the evidence shows the the spread from vaccinated people is less, it is not nonexistent...and as we have seen throughout the pandemic, we are learning more but still do not have all the answer. We have not been dealing with Covid long enough to be absolutely positive about anything, especially as the variants rise.
It has been hard but I am resilient. I will do what I can for people, especially the people I love the most.
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Post by peasapie on May 16, 2021 18:28:56 GMT
. I think they figure kids won’t get very sick if they do get it. But I would have preferred if they would have waited until children were eligible. Sickest my kids have ever been in their lives was with Covid. Twice. So much for natural immunity. Which was allegedly extremely rare but not in this house. DD’s kidneys were failing and all sorts of other issues they couldn’t figure out. She’s now 16 and will be two weeks out from her second shot next Monday. Her high school is currently having a massive outbreak. Youngest (12) gets his first shot tomorrow. His two bouts with Covid were rough, but thankfully not deadly. So I guess it’s ok no one needs masks now to give a crap about unvaccinated kids? 🤷♀️ .I’m very sorry to hear your children were so deeply affected by Covid. My grandsons will continue to wear masks until they are vaccinated.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 4:32:14 GMT
11th Circuit sides w/CDC, stays lower court ruling on masks and cruise ships. DeSantis be mad. "A late-night order from a federal appeals court Saturday dealt a major setback to Florida’s effort to lift restrictions the federal government imposed on the cruise ship industry in order to prevent outbreaks of the coronavirus. A panel of the Atlanta-based 11th Circuit Court of Appeals voted 2-1 to stay an order a federal judge in Tampa issued last month blocking the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s framework for allowing cruises to resume. The cruise business was abruptly shuttered by federal order in March 2020 following a series of mass infections aboard large ships. The appeals court’s one-page order, issued just before midnight Saturday, offered no explanation for the decision beyond saying the federal government had made “the requisite showing” to obtain a stay allowing the CDC rules to remain in effect. The panel did indicate that one judge dissented. Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, brought the suit and touted the ruling last month from U.S. District Judge Steven Merryday as a victory for Florida's economic comeback from the major slowdown in tourism during the pandemic." www.politico.com/news/2021/07/18/appeals-court-cdc-cruises-desantis-499987
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 4:59:45 GMT
I have been up some of the night worrying about today. It is July 19 and the day of removing safety precautions in the uk, including masks. We have the highest death rate in the world , the number of cases of delta variant is now 6 times higher per million people than the U.S according to a graph below. www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/18/uk-covid-cases-could-hit-200000-a-day-says-neil-ferguson-scientist-behind-lockdown-strategy-englandThe sickening thing is it is being dubbed “freedom day” Cancer treatment and other life saving operations are being cancelled as hospitals are overwhelmed with ever increasing covid patients. Children under 18 are not eligible for the vaccine so will bear the brunt . Others who are immune compromised , or have other health problems are probably going to be part of the “deaths will be inevitable” as the prime minister says.( shiver ) WHY ? Common sense should dictate that lifting restrictions when cases are rising is lunacy. The more cases, the more variants, the more vaccine resistance. This could end up affecting other countries too. I can’t believe this is being allowed to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 5:05:16 GMT
The sickening thing is it is being dubbed “freedom day” Twitter calling it #Freedumb day. Stay safe. Take precautions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 5:17:23 GMT
@zingermack
Thank you x
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Post by lucyg on Jul 19, 2021 6:24:49 GMT
@ktc, I don’t actually LIKE your post. Just expressing sympathy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 7:07:30 GMT
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Post by gar on Jul 19, 2021 10:25:46 GMT
Children under 18 are not eligible for the vaccine so will bear the brunt . I think there's going to be an announcement this afternoon about the vaccines being made available to some under 18s, particularly vulnerable ones or those who live with someone who is. The data is still being reviewed for the vaccine risk v results for the majority of children. I'm hoping a lot of people will exercise their right to choose and will still use a mask in places where it would be sensible. More shops seem to be saying they will be asking (no, I know they can't insist) for mask wearing to continue. Numbers are going up but we're in a much better place than we were in the winter...my main fear is a new variant developing which is vaccine resistant.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 12:05:49 GMT
Children under 18 are not eligible for the vaccine so will bear the brunt . I think there's going to be an announcement this afternoon about the vaccines being made available to some under 18s, particularly vulnerable ones or those who live with someone who is. The data is still being reviewed for the vaccine risk v results for the majority of children. I'm hoping a lot of people will exercise their right to choose and will still use a mask in places where it would be sensible. More shops seem to be saying they will be asking (no, I know they can't insist) for mask wearing to continue. Numbers are going up but we're in a much better place than we were in the winter...my main fear is a new variant developing which is vaccine resistant. There are a number of businesses that have said that on a variety of media reports this morning. Transport for London have said they will refuse access to people not masked. I think South Yorkshire was another one that said it and I think Manchester too. As you say most supermarkets are “expecting” people to do so as well as other smaller businesses. Many of the London theatres have added the conditions to be fully vaccinated or have a LFT/ PCR test with proof to be shown on entry to their websites when booking tickets. DD1 works at a pub at week- ends and she’s been told to continue wearing a mask and no standing at the bar is allowed, customers have to return to their seats. Dd2 works in a restaurant over the week ends and she’s also been told to continue to wear one. I think a lot of businesses will carry on as they’ve been doing and put their trust in the public to use some common sense. Just because it’s not a legal requirement to abide by the restriction that were in place yesterday doesn’t mean individuals “have” to throw all caution to the wind today. No doubt some will but they did before too. It’s the possibility of a new variant that bothers me too gar , there was never an ideal time to do this and the risks are lower in summer with more people outdoors as well as school holidays, eliminating 30 plus children being stuck in the same room in a classroom. I just wish the media would spent as much time that they do reporting doom and gloom to encourage the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. There is no excuse for anyone without genuine medical reasons not to have had at least their 1st dose by today if over 18.
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Post by gar on Jul 19, 2021 12:19:23 GMT
I agree @dottyscrapper - if things are going to be relaxed, now is better than the winter. But I also think the idea of Wembley being full for the football etc etc wasn’t at all wise. I don’t understand why sport seems to be allowed to follow different rules.
ETA - there is also the balance between businesses health and mental health to consider. For some people that doesn’t seem such a priority but for others it means everything, literally, at this point.
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Post by Merge on Jul 19, 2021 12:34:17 GMT
I’m in Maine right now, which is one of the most heavily vaccinated states. I’ve seen a small handful of people wearing masks. 99% are not. So far, things seem to be doing well, even with tourist season in full swing.
But I also read an article last night about the crisis in SW Missouri, where hospitals are overwhelmed again. Very low vaccination rates there.
News stories continue to emphasize that the vast majority of those hospitalized at this time are unvaccinated (generally by choice - vaccines for that age group are readily available here.)
We’ll be feeling the repercussions of the political war against vaccines here for decades to come. The people hospitalized and/or dying now are young - adults in their 30s and 40s - and will leave kids without a parent and more jobs without a worker.
We will never stop this with lockdowns and masking. People have to get vaccinated.
(Coastal Maine is also feeling the worker shortage. Everyplace is hiring, advertising high wages. There are no workers. This was a problem before the pandemic, when Trump’s immigration policies kept a lot of seasonal workers from coming up for restaurant jobs. And then Maine locked down hard last year, and lots of younger workers left the area looking for jobs elsewhere. It will be a while before they start to drift back, I imagine.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 13:55:22 GMT
Food shortages are now being reported in the UK , due to staff shortage in supermarkets through covid isolation,some of it is Brexit related too. A couple of articles cover the food disruption below. This week, we have had to order online from 2 different supermarkets in our area this week. We didn’t receive loo roll, kitchen roll, milk and squash. For next weeks shop , it is already saying that the cheese we normally have is out of stock too. When things got bad last year , there was one week we only got 5 items , despite ordering 80 ish things. I said to my husband how are we supposed to live on bin bags and toilet cleaner, no food items arrived. We were late additions to the vulnerable list , only notified earlier this year, having been mistakenly missed off. So we were isolating ourselves without any support. Our normal online Sainsbury’s account which we had been using for years would not accept continued custom from people not on the vulnerable list. So we had to order from wholesalers , the other side of the country to get giant bags of pasta. We managed to get tinned vegetables abroad from France , and vacuum packed bags of food from Scotland . Getting supermarket deliveries ( from any supermarkets ) was like hens teeth . We had to portion food and ration for many weeks / months. www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/25/uk-facing-summer-of-food-shortages-due-to-lack-of-lorry-driversmetro.co.uk/2021/07/17/uk-facing-food-shortages-as-pingdemic-causes-staff-absences-14943703/Grim times ,especially when I compare to other countries and how they have handled things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 13:55:30 GMT
I agree @dottyscrapper - if things are going to be relaxed, now is better than the winter. But I also think the idea of Wembley being full for the football etc etc wasn’t at all wise. I don’t understand why sport seems to be allowed to follow different rules. ETA - there is also the balance between businesses health and mental health to consider. For some people that doesn’t seem such a priority but for others it means everything, literally, at this point. My thought on Wembley were much stronger than " it wasn't wise" This surge in cases over the last week was totally predictable. and no I don't get the logic of it either. It's a sore point with me how sports has been treated compared to the Arts. I guess it was UEFA's decision on where it was held. I'm not sure who had the last word about it all. UEFA is a powerful body, so who knows. Whoever is to blame it was totally wrong and damn irresponsible.
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Post by dewryce on Jul 19, 2021 14:08:10 GMT
@ktc I hope you are able to get what you need! Last year we really learned the value of keeping a stock of our favorite food items on hand, before that we had been shopping weekly and our list of staples was pretty short. But when the peas warned us we (too) slowly purchased some food items in the weeks proceeding the panic and that saved us. Fortunately, we always stocked items like TP and paper towels, soaps, cleaners, etc. We now have an extra, fully stocked, freezer in the garage and a full pantry, whereas before you could play football in there and have excess room
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