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Post by schizo319 on May 14, 2021 15:59:15 GMT
I'm on the side of "I've trusted the CDC experts for over a year and have no reason to stop now".
On NPR the other day, a scientist at the CDC said several studies have come out this week indicating that world data is matching up with clinical studies and cases are declining. Those are the reasons for relaxing the rules. I don't have the time or knowledge to look up and understand those studies, so I'm fine withtaking the advice of the experts I have believed in for the past year (especially now that we have a new president who isn't at odds with them every day).
That said, I am also fine with wearing a mask in places where it is asked of me - should businesses decide to keep their signs on the door.
I am officially fully vaccinated (14 days after shot #2) as of yesterday.
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Post by aj2hall on May 14, 2021 16:01:41 GMT
Poor Trump, so unfairly blamed. 😏 And really full stop? Like it’s absolutely true, no further discussion needed? 🤔 I think it’s a bit more nuanced than that. You are right, I'm sure there were conservative media that didn't blame Trump. But MSM, yes they placed full blame at his feet for any and all mistrust of the CDC last year. If not, who else did they blame? I can't think of any (non ultra conservative) fingers being pointed anywhere but straight to the top, which was Trump. So yes, I'm curious where this current mistrust of the CDC is coming from like shown in the previous tweets and many posts here. It's probably a complete non-issue anyways because I think MSM is going to run with the current CDC recommendations anyways. Because like I said, who would they blame any mistrust of the CDC on now? There are plenty of reasons for mistrust of the CDC if you took 60 seconds to look. I doubt you’ll read this because it’s mainstream media, but I’m posting anyway. For the record, the article does not solely blame Trump nor did NPR last year so your assertion about mainstream media entirely blaming Trump is completely false. www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996331692/poll-finds-public-health-has-a-trust-problem |
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Post by Merge on May 14, 2021 16:10:49 GMT
Poor Trump, so unfairly blamed. 😏 And really full stop? Like it’s absolutely true, no further discussion needed? 🤔 I think it’s a bit more nuanced than that. You are right, I'm sure there were conservative media that didn't blame Trump. But MSM, yes they placed full blame at his feet for any and all mistrust of the CDC last year. If not, who else did they blame? I can't think of any (non ultra conservative) fingers being pointed anywhere but straight to the top, which was Trump. So yes, I'm curious where this current mistrust of the CDC is coming from like shown in the previous tweets and many posts here. It's probably a complete non-issue anyways because I think MSM is going to run with the current CDC recommendations anyways. Because like I said, who would they blame any mistrust of the CDC on now? Thanks for stopping in to prove my point for me. I can't speak to what the mainstream media does or why it does it, but from my POV over the past year, the anti-science rhetoric has come from lots of places on the right. We could look at Gaetz and his gas mask, Greene and Boebert with their anti-mask crusades, Cruz lining up for a haircut during the height of Texas' surge, and of course the fine folks on Parler and with QAnon. We could also point out the anti-science stances that have come from many evangelical pastors and churches. Many places to put the blame. But yes, science-believing friends: this is exactly what anti-science conservatives will say if y'all start acting like you know something the CDC doesn't. They didn't, and we don't, and really, let's try to be better than that. |
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Post by sassyangel on May 14, 2021 16:12:10 GMT
Let me explain why I think that (sorry for separate post but wanted to add these comparative pictures). Because in the space of just over two weeks, they went from this on April 28th:  To this yesterday on May 13th:  For an agency that is as risk adverse as they are, that is almost a 180 degree change in two weeks. That’s huge, I’m not surprised people are questioning such big changes, so quickly. While I get it it, (I think the one on the 28th was far too hedged and rigid - vaccinated people got no concessions of lifestyle change indoors for them on that one - which didn’t seem that logical) you have to admit this is a massive change, from an agency not known to date, to give them so quickly. Do I think they were compromised (as in pushed aside, instead of being one of the agencies that should’ve been visibly leading on this) by the Trump administration? Yes. It doesn’t mean the scientific advice they gave was disregarded by people who despised Trump. Most people suspicious of Trumps interference in the CDC, were the ones STILL most likely to comply with mask mandates and what restrained public advice the CDC gave. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 14, 2021 16:19:24 GMT
sassyangel I'm taking a conservative approach. I feel for kids who can't get vaccinated but I don't give a rip about adults who won't. So I'm inclined to wear a mask indoors, in public for the sake of the kids. With that said, it's my understanding that 3 new studies have just come out. In the time since that last communication and that is what drove their most recent decisions. I'm with a lot of what Merge is saying. Now is not the time for the left to doubt the science. Wear a mask or don't. I won't judge you either way. I will judge you if you won't have a vaccine. I will judge you if you put your unvaccinated kids at risk. But I don't know who is and who isn't among us. So I have to trust my vaccine.
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Post by Just T on May 14, 2021 16:26:40 GMT
I am fully vaccinated (my second shot was two weeks ago yesterday), but for now, I am going to keep wearing a mask when I am at grocery stores, etc. It's become such a habit, and I haven't been sick once since last spring. Not even a cold. And it is not because I stayed home...I really didn't. I did work from home from the middle of March until my office opened back up in June, but I kept going to the grocery store, eating at restaurants on patios, etc. I have traveled by plane twice, once in October and once a month ago. I always get sick with something, bronchitis, strep throat, etc in the winter, and this winter, nothing.
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Post by sassyangel on May 14, 2021 16:28:06 GMT
sassyangel I'm taking a conservative approach. I feel for kids who can't get vaccinated but I don't give a rip about adults who won't. So I'm inclined to wear a mask indoors, in public for the sake of the kids. With that said, it's my understanding that 3 new studies have just come out. In the time since that last communication and that is what drove their most recent decisions. I'm with a lot of what Merge is saying. Now is not the time for the left to doubt the science. Wear a mask or don't. I won't judge you either way. I will judge you if you won't have a vaccine. I will judge you if you put your unvaccinated kids at risk. But I don't know who is and who isn't among us. So I have to trust my vaccine. Agreed, and after wrestling with it a little bit, I absolutely believe they have the data for this and that as cautious as they are, they’ve also taken the risk to unvaccinated kids under 12 into account with it. I’m just pointing out why I think people that have always been inclined to follow their advice are struggling with it, a bit - as is clear here they are. It is a significant change, in the space of a short time.  |
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 14, 2021 16:31:36 GMT
sassyangel I'm taking a conservative approach. I feel for kids who can't get vaccinated but I don't give a rip about adults who won't. So I'm inclined to wear a mask indoors, in public for the sake of the kids. With that said, it's my understanding that 3 new studies have just come out. In the time since that last communication and that is what drove their most recent decisions. I'm with a lot of what Merge is saying. Now is not the time for the left to doubt the science. Wear a mask or don't. I won't judge you either way. I will judge you if you won't have a vaccine. I will judge you if you put your unvaccinated kids at risk. But I don't know who is and who isn't among us. So I have to trust my vaccine. Agreed, and after wrestling with it a little bit, I absolutely believe they have the data for this and that as cautious as they are, they’ve also taken the risk to unvaccinated kids under 12 into account with it. I’m just pointing out why I think people that have always been inclined to follow their advice are struggling with it, a bit - as is clear here they are. It is a significant change, in the space of a short time. Makes total sense to me why the most cautious among us would be hesitant. It isn't that we are anti-science. It's that we've been watching the world burn with this and have taken great care to minimize our risks. |
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Post by sassyangel on May 14, 2021 16:42:23 GMT
Agreed, and after wrestling with it a little bit, I absolutely believe they have the data for this and that as cautious as they are, they’ve also taken the risk to unvaccinated kids under 12 into account with it. I’m just pointing out why I think people that have always been inclined to follow their advice are struggling with it, a bit - as is clear here they are. It is a significant change, in the space of a short time. Makes total sense to me why the most cautious among us would be hesitant. It isn't that we are anti-science. It's that we've been watching the world burn with this and have taken great care to minimize our risks. Right! That’s what I was trying to articulate, thank you. It doesn’t stem from anti science or even anti Trumpism, but more that most of us have been conditioned over the last year to be cautious and to look out for the greater good - and that is a core value to a lot of people - so it’s a little hard accepting a kind of change in what we’re hardwired to be. |
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Post by snugglebutter on May 14, 2021 17:30:21 GMT
Agreed, and after wrestling with it a little bit, I absolutely believe they have the data for this and that as cautious as they are, they’ve also taken the risk to unvaccinated kids under 12 into account with it. I’m just pointing out why I think people that have always been inclined to follow their advice are struggling with it, a bit - as is clear here they are. It is a significant change, in the space of a short time. Makes total sense to me why the most cautious among us would be hesitant. It isn't that we are anti-science. It's that we've been watching the world burn with this and have taken great care to minimize our risks. Absolutely. I think some of the hesitancy is due to the emotional trauma of the past 15 months.
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Post by Merge on May 14, 2021 17:49:48 GMT
Makes total sense to me why the most cautious among us would be hesitant. It isn't that we are anti-science. It's that we've been watching the world burn with this and have taken great care to minimize our risks. Right! That’s what I was trying to articulate, thank you. It doesn’t stem from anti science or even anti Trumpism, but more that most of us have been conditioned over the last year to be cautious and to look out for the greater good - and that is a core value to a lot of people - so it’s a little hard accepting a kind of change in what we’re hardwired to be. I totally hear you and the others on this point. The PTSD is real for all of us. I just dislike the appearance of giving the people who are anti-science more fuel for their fire. |
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Post by LuvAgoodPaddle on May 14, 2021 18:03:42 GMT
Let me explain why I think that (sorry for separate post but wanted to add these comparative pictures). Because in the space of just over two weeks, they went from this on April 28th: To this yesterday on May 13th: For an agency that is as risk adverse as they are, that is almost a 180 degree change in two weeks. That’s huge, I’m not surprised people are questioning such big changes, so quickly. While I get it it, (I think the one on the 28th was far too hedged and rigid - vaccinated people got no concessions of lifestyle change indoors for them on that one - which didn’t seem that logical) you have to admit this is a massive change, from an agency not known to date, to give them so quickly. Do I think they were compromised (as in pushed aside, instead of being one of the agencies that should’ve been visibly leading on this) by the Trump administration? Yes. It doesn’t mean the scientific advice they gave was disregarded by people who despised Trump. Most people suspicious of Trumps interference in the CDC, were the ones STILL most likely to comply with mask mandates and what restrained public advice the CDC gave. Exactly! The CDC has been going back and forth for well over a year now. I certainly couldn't have been the only one who verified or compared our CDC info last year with other countries info to see if we were at least close. Some times we were, some times we weren't. Like how they said we didn't need masks at the beginning, but it was the norm in plenty of other countries. No one alive today has ever lived through something like this before. They are all learning too, so the science will change. Distrust last year was blamed on Trump. So why the distrust now when he's not in the picture? I don't care who does or doesn't wear a mask. All I know is I'm fully vaccinated and headed onto a plane to see my fully vaccinated Dad for the first time in 2 years. And it's only because of the vaccine that I'm allowed to do this and I trust the science behind it that it's protecting me. |
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Post by aj2hall on May 14, 2021 18:45:35 GMT
Exactly! The CDC has been going back and forth for well over a year now. I certainly couldn't have been the only one who verified or compared our CDC info last year with other countries info to see if we were at least close. Some times we were, some times we weren't. Like how they said we didn't need masks at the beginning, but it was the norm in plenty of other countries. No one alive today has ever lived through something like this before. They are all learning too, so the science will change. Distrust last year was blamed on Trump. So why the distrust now when he's not in the picture? It’s been explained at least a million times why the guidance on wearing masks changed. I’m not even going to bother, you seem deaf to hearing the reasons and determined to point to that as a failure of the CDC. Why the mistrust? Because former undermined our trust in scientists, government and the media. That takes time, more than 100 days, to undo. Just because there’s a new administration does not mean that everyone will trust the CDC overnight. There are also degrees of mistrust. Most of what has been expressed here is a pause or hesitation. We’ve been wearing masks for over a year, now we don’t have to? As others have already expressed, after the emotional trauma of the last year, people need a minute to adjust. Compare that to the CDC is outright lying about the number of COVID deaths, there’s a massive conspiracy and cover-up. This is is not a gotcha or whataboutism no matter how much you try to make it. |
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Post by aj2hall on May 14, 2021 18:53:31 GMT
Poor Trump, so unfairly blamed. 😏 And really full stop? Like it’s absolutely true, no further discussion needed? 🤔 I think it’s a bit more nuanced than that. You are right, I'm sure there were conservative media that didn't blame Trump. But MSM, yes they placed full blame at his feet for any and all mistrust of the CDC last year. If not, who else did they blame? I can't think of any (non ultra conservative) fingers being pointed anywhere but straight to the top, which was Trump. So yes, I'm curious where this current mistrust of the CDC is coming from like shown in the previous tweets and many posts here. It's probably a complete non-issue anyways because I think MSM is going to run with the current CDC recommendations anyways. Because like I said, who would they blame any mistrust of the CDC on now? Just curious, if Trump is not responsible for mistrust of the CDC, who is? And who was responsible for the mistrust last year? |
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Post by used2scrap on May 14, 2021 18:57:04 GMT
The base here started allowing fully vaccinated individuals to stop wearing masks inside recently. Not shockingly an individual who claimed to be vaccinated hadn’t even had one shot, came to work with Covid, and now there’s an outbreak and quarantines and people sent to work from home. Meanwhile I still have an unvaccinated child interested in keeping from getting Covid a 3rd time.
It’s not the CDC I don’t trust; it’s the mask hole vaccination liars.
Edited to add: I just looked up our county vaccination rate and it’s 15% with at least one shot, 14.9% fully vaccinated.
Doesn’t seem like numbers high enough to declare the whole thing over here. On the one hand the local high schools all had to suspend activities starting last night due to Covid outbreaks/increasing numbers. On the other hand the governor today just ended masking, distancing and capacity limits.
Confusing to say the least.
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Post by oliquig on May 14, 2021 19:07:44 GMT
It’s not the CDC I don’t trust; it’s the mask hole vaccination liars. That. Also, it’s not that I don’t trust the CDC under Trump, it’s that the former wouldn’t allow the CDC or NIH to speak, everything had to be filtered through the White House. Do you remember Dr. Fauci and others who worked for the federal gov speaking on the news before Jan 20 2021? I don’t. |
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Post by sassyangel on May 14, 2021 19:15:50 GMT
Right! That’s what I was trying to articulate, thank you. It doesn’t stem from anti science or even anti Trumpism, but more that most of us have been conditioned over the last year to be cautious and to look out for the greater good - and that is a core value to a lot of people - so it’s a little hard accepting a kind of change in what we’re hardwired to be. I totally hear you and the others on this point. The PTSD is real for all of us. I just dislike the appearance of giving the people who are anti-science more fuel for their fire. Agreed, I think that is something that should also be taken into account, not giving inadvertent fodder for anti-science people. For me, it’s enough that I felt as overly cautious as the CDC has been, they wouldn’t be coming out with this, without concrete data. And I did struggle with it, initially. It just took figuring out *why* I struggled to reconcile it, and I feel better knowing it wasn’t because I now didn’t trust the science. |
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Post by sassyangel on May 14, 2021 19:19:25 GMT
Let me explain why I think that (sorry for separate post but wanted to add these comparative pictures). Because in the space of just over two weeks, they went from this on April 28th: To this yesterday on May 13th: For an agency that is as risk adverse as they are, that is almost a 180 degree change in two weeks. That’s huge, I’m not surprised people are questioning such big changes, so quickly. While I get it it, (I think the one on the 28th was far too hedged and rigid - vaccinated people got no concessions of lifestyle change indoors for them on that one - which didn’t seem that logical) you have to admit this is a massive change, from an agency not known to date, to give them so quickly. Do I think they were compromised (as in pushed aside, instead of being one of the agencies that should’ve been visibly leading on this) by the Trump administration? Yes. It doesn’t mean the scientific advice they gave was disregarded by people who despised Trump. Most people suspicious of Trumps interference in the CDC, were the ones STILL most likely to comply with mask mandates and what restrained public advice the CDC gave. Exactly! The CDC has been going back and forth for well over a year now. I certainly couldn't have been the only one who verified or compared our CDC info last year with other countries info to see if we were at least close. Some times we were, some times we weren't. Like how they said we didn't need masks at the beginning, but it was the norm in plenty of other countries. No one alive today has ever lived through something like this before. They are all learning too, so the science will change. Distrust last year was blamed on Trump. So why the distrust now when he's not in the picture? I don't care who does or doesn't wear a mask. All I know is I'm fully vaccinated and headed onto a plane to see my fully vaccinated Dad for the first time in 2 years. And it's only because of the vaccine that I'm allowed to do this and I trust the science behind it that it's protecting me. Ack, you kind of missed the entire point of my comment. 😕 I guess I really didn’t articulate it well. |
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Post by aj2hall on May 14, 2021 19:23:36 GMT
It’s not the CDC I don’t trust; it’s the mask hole vaccination liars. That. Also, it’s not that I don’t trust the CDC under Trump, it’s that the former wouldn’t allow the CDC or NIH to speak, everything had to be filtered through the White House. Do you remember Dr. Fauci and others who worked for the federal gov speaking on the news before Jan 20 2021? I don’t. Yes, that exactly. And in September, the White House did an end run around the CDC, they wanted hospitals to report directly to them, not to the CDC. |
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Post by cade387 on May 14, 2021 19:27:30 GMT
Yes Case in point- my sister was already called a p*ssy this morning 5 min into her shift at Starbucks for wearing a “stupid mask”. So at that point the manager needs to step in and remove the customer, not because of the mask comment but because of the way they treated your sister. Businesses need to support their staff in these situations and having common courtesy needs to be upheld. They can repeat, it is not about the mask, but I will not allow my staff to be treated that way for any reason. This is as they were pulling out of the drive thru. They get license plates of people like that but there isn’t much they can do to ban them and the police won’t do anything. |
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Post by sunshine on May 14, 2021 19:50:21 GMT
Exactly! The CDC has been going back and forth for well over a year now. I certainly couldn't have been the only one who verified or compared our CDC info last year with other countries info to see if we were at least close. Some times we were, some times we weren't. Like how they said we didn't need masks at the beginning, but it was the norm in plenty of other countries. No one alive today has ever lived through something like this before. They are all learning too, so the science will change. Distrust last year was blamed on Trump. So why the distrust now when he's not in the picture? I’m not even going to bother, you seem deaf to hearing the reasons and determined to point to that as a failure of the CDC. Why the mistrust? Because former undermined our trust in scientists, government and the media. That takes time, more than 100 days, to undo. Just because there’s a new administration does not mean that everyone will trust the CDC overnight. There are also degrees of mistrust. Most of what has been expressed here is a pause or hesitation. We’ve been wearing masks for over a year, now we don’t have to? As others have already expressed, after the emotional trauma of the last year, people need a minute to adjust. Compare that to the CDC is outright lying about the number of COVID deaths, there’s a massive conspiracy and cover-up. This is is not a gotcha or whataboutism no matter how much you try to make it. What you choose to ignore is the fact the "guidance" was changed because the CDC lied. It was a lie when we were told masks weren't necessary to stop the spread because the reality was they didn't want a shortage of masks. Two totally different things. That wasn't the last time the CDC and/or Fauci lied. When they changed the quarantine period from 14 days to 10 (or maybe it was 7)--it was originally said the "science" said 14 days wasn't necessary. Then we were told it was changed because the hope was more people would quarantine if it was only for 7 days. Again, two totally different things. Those "guidelines" weren't based on science, they were based on lies. There's more, I 'm not interested in putting more energy into it.
The administration, the CDC and Fauci are NOT on the same page. They have been and continue to contradict each other. Fauci says vaccines are safe and effective and then starts wearing 2 masks and goes on to say we might need to wear 3 masks. I thought the vaccines were effective? One day CDC says it's safe for kids to be in school. Next day administration says that was her personal opinion. Hmmm, ok; wtf? CDC says kids are safe to be in school 3 feet apart. Next day...no, they need to be 6 feet away from teachers. Another WTF? When the CDC said she couldn't get over the feeling of impending doom-was that an official feeling or personal feeling. Seriously, WTAF?
I have listened to more news and doctors than I could've ever imagined since this pandemic started. I've listened and read comments and directives directly from Fauci, the CDC and the administration across numerous platforms. If you haven't heard the lies and contradictions maybe you need to check and change your news sources instead of blaming anything and everything on Fox, OAN or Newsmax (that is so, so old).
And for the record--I'm not anti-vaxx, anti-mask or anti-science. I stayed home, masked up AND got vaccinated.
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Post by sassyangel on May 14, 2021 20:14:55 GMT
This might be moot, a lot of places are still going to require them. They’re not going to put their staff in the position to have to play the vaccine and mask police at the door, because they have no way of determining quickly who is and who isn’t - it’s just easier on the staff to make everyone wear them. Unfortunately.
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Post by aj2hall on May 14, 2021 20:33:16 GMT
It’s been explained at least a million times why the guidance on wearing masks changed. I’m not even going to bother, you seem deaf to hearing the reasons and determined to point to that as a failure of the CDC. Why the mistrust? Because former undermined our trust in scientists, government and the media. That takes time, more than 100 days, to undo. Just because there’s a new administration does not mean that everyone will trust the CDC overnight. There are also degrees of mistrust. Most of what has been expressed here is a pause or hesitation. We’ve been wearing masks for over a year, now we don’t have to? As others have already expressed, after the emotional trauma of the last year, people need a minute to adjust. Compare that to the CDC is outright lying about the number of COVID deaths, there’s a massive conspiracy and cover-up. This is is not a gotcha or whataboutism no matter how much you try to make it. What you choose to ignore is the fact the "guidance" was changed because the CDC lied. It was a lie when we were told masks weren't necessary to stop the spread because the reality was they didn't want a shortage of masks. Two totally different things. That wasn't the last time the CDC and/or Fauci lied. When they changed the quarantine period from 14 days to 10 (or maybe it was 7)--it was originally said the "science" said 14 days wasn't necessary. Then we were told it was changed because the hope was more people would quarantine if it was only for 7 days. Again, two totally different things. Those "guidelines" weren't based on science, they were based on lies. There's more, I 'm not interested in putting more energy into it.
The administration, the CDC and Fauci are NOT on the same page. They have been and continue to contradict each other. Fauci says vaccines are safe and effective and then starts wearing 2 masks and goes on to say we might need to wear 3 masks. I thought the vaccines were effective? One day CDC says it's safe for kids to be in school. Next day administration says that was her personal opinion. Hmmm, ok; wtf? CDC says kids are safe to be in school 3 feet apart. Next day...no, they need to be 6 feet away from teachers. Another WTF? When the CDC said she couldn't get over the feeling of impending doom-was that an official feeling or personal feeling. Seriously, WTAF?
I have listened to more news and doctors than I could've ever imagined since this pandemic started. I've listened and read comments and directives directly from Fauci, the CDC and the administration across numerous platforms. If you haven't heard the lies and contradictions maybe you need to check and change your news sources instead of blaming anything and everything on Fox, OAN or Newsmax (that is so, so old).
And for the record--I'm not anti-vaxx, anti-mask or anti-science. I stayed home, masked up AND got vaccinated.
Apparently is does need to be repeated. AGAIN. www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/10/829890635/why-there-so-many-different-guidelines-for-face-masks-for-the-public1. Guidelines changed on masks around the world, not just in the US 2. Guidance has changed as new information has emerged 3. There was legitimate concern about the supply of masks for health care workers 4. It's also about culture. In other countries around the world, especially in Asia after their experiences with SARS, masks are more common and more acceptable. For Americans who value individualism, the concept of doing something for the greater good is a big hurdle to overcome. |
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Post by aj2hall on May 14, 2021 20:54:00 GMT
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Post by xea on May 14, 2021 21:55:33 GMT
Yes you can but the risk is very low (last I saw was less then 10% chance). It’s been reported much, much, lower than that. Like a fraction of one percent. I’m confused as to why people who have been all, follow the science, listen to the CDC, are now like oh, I think I know better than they do. People whose entire career has been spent studying this stuff are telling me that it’s safe for me and others if I don’t wear a mask. I’m a music teacher. I’m going to trust their judgment over mine. To put it another way - my internet “research” is no more valid than that of the anti-vaxxers. Imma listen to the experts and believe that I’m not putting anyone in danger if I go out without a mask. It’s not that I don’t care. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t have followed all the guidelines up until now. I’ve been fully vaxxed for months and live in a state with no mask mandate. If I didn’t care, I could have been going around unmasked all this time. But I didn’t. I’ve waited until people who know a lot more than me said it was safe. We can’t bemoan the death of respect for expertise and science on one hand, and then turn around and say that the experts don’t know what they’re talking about now. I am glad to hear it is even much lower! Only if you have it at hand, wasn't able to find anything lower then 5% risk. Do you have that info handy that you could pass on to me? |
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Post by xea on May 14, 2021 21:57:00 GMT
The cdc is saying vaccinated people don’t need to wear masks. My concern (and I think others on the thread) is that now it appears masks will be going away altogether. Not just for unvaccinated people. That puts kids who haven’t been able to be vaccinated yet at risk, even of they themselves wear masks. I do have some concern that we may find out new info later that doesn’t support this decision. But my main thought is that they didn’t completely think through the fact that it wouldn’t just be vaccinated people that stop wearing masks. Again, I think it's unlikely that the peas have thought through anything that the CDC didn't already think through. Unvaccinated adults will certainly stop wearing masks if they were wearing them before. Children and others who are concerned should keep right on wearing them, as well as distancing. Somewhere in the CDC calculus, that's all been considered. With all due respect, I don't think you or I or almost anyone on this board is qualified to say otherwise. That said - if you want to keep wearing a mask, please do. I'm not about to shame or mock anyone for doing so. (I'm still required to wear one at work, but that's another issue for another day.) But trying to say that we on the pea board have thought of something that our leading scientists didn't is fuel for all the "experts don't know anything" and "all opinions are equally valid" crew. I think it's important not to go there.All of the above, exactly, but especially the bold part. |
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Post by peasapie on May 14, 2021 22:34:39 GMT
Dr fauchi just admitted that part of the CDC calculus in no-mask changes may have been to induce the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. My concern is children. Honest question: do you believe the CDC just isn't thinking about the children in this case? They didn't consider that in their calculus? . I think they figure kids won’t get very sick if they do get it. But I would have preferred if they would have waited until children were eligible. |
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Post by sassyangel on May 14, 2021 22:35:22 GMT
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Post by 50offscrapper on May 15, 2021 0:16:34 GMT
apple.news/ASslsv_L8TP-8Er704G5mIQI think this is political , they want more people to vaccinate so get rid of masks as an incentive. Trump’s CDC and Biden’s CDC have both played politics. On a separate, is there a way to know if our vaccine produced a response. If I take an antibody test, should I have antibodies after being vaccinated?
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Post by mollycoddle on May 15, 2021 0:24:04 GMT
Agreed, and after wrestling with it a little bit, I absolutely believe they have the data for this and that as cautious as they are, they’ve also taken the risk to unvaccinated kids under 12 into account with it. I’m just pointing out why I think people that have always been inclined to follow their advice are struggling with it, a bit - as is clear here they are. It is a significant change, in the space of a short time. Makes total sense to me why the most cautious among us would be hesitant. It isn't that we are anti-science. It's that we've been watching the world burn with this and have taken great care to minimize our risks. This. I find myself reluctant to ditch my mask. I don’t have a concrete reason; I am not sure why I feel that way. 🤷♀️ |
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