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Post by hookturnian on Sept 3, 2021 0:29:14 GMT
Religious right-wing moronic thinking. The STATE can't force my child to wear a mask!!!! The STATE can force my child to carry a child to term!!!! Glory! Slight correction. Their thinking is: The STATE can't force MY child to wear a mask! The STATE can force YOUR child to carry a child to term! The only moral abortion is my abortion, rules for thee but not for me, etc. etc.
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Post by Zee on Sept 3, 2021 0:36:40 GMT
I immediately donated to the ACLU, as I do every time anti abortion laws are enacted. PP is next. We're fighting for our daughters and granddaughters.
And I say this as the daughter of a teen mom who most definitely would have been aborted if that had been a safe option in 1971. (I hate that dumb argument--i wouldn't have known the difference, so why would I care?)
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Post by lucyg on Sept 3, 2021 5:36:08 GMT
I immediately donated to the ACLU, as I do every time anti abortion laws are enacted. PP is next. We're fighting for our daughters and granddaughters. And I say this as the daughter of a teen mom who most definitely would have been aborted if that had been a safe option in 1971. (I hate that dumb argument--i wouldn't have known the difference, so why would I care?) I have a version of that story I like to pull out in these occasions. My mom had an abortion after contracting German measles early in her first pregnancy. This was back in the ’50s. A few months later, she got pregnant with me. If she had NOT had an abortion, I would never have been born. hmmm. Well, she says she’s glad she had me.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 3, 2021 10:04:06 GMT
This is my prediction. What might very well happen happen is that many women will start hiding their pregnancies. They will not tell pro-birth relatives and significant others that they are pregnant. Those who can will quietly leave Texas and have a termination, and no one will ever know. Those who can’t will be equally secretive and will use a network of allies to have a termination. Friends and relatives won’t even know that there was a pregnancy. Pregnancy tests will be ordered online, procured by friends, and disposed of secretly. And I hope that any bounty hunters are shunned and cut from the woman’s life. This must feel like a win, but I’m not sure that it really is.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 3, 2021 10:20:16 GMT
Those of you who live in Texas might already know this, but in case you don’t…Time for some boycotts.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 3, 2021 10:37:05 GMT
I agree. And, not directed at you revirduba99, but rather addressing the topic in general because I have seen many comments about this on various platforms…but I’m not comfortable weaponizing this type of information, this train of thought. If she, or anyone who voted for this type of crap does have an abortion I can definitely see calling them out on the hypocrisy. On the absolute privilege. And many other things that I’m sure just arent coming to mind right now. But when doing so we need to make sure we don't weaponize the act of having an abortion itself. Does that make sense? I agree in general. However, isn’t this the type of speculation that this bill is encouraging? Oh, completely.
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Post by pierkiss on Sept 3, 2021 11:36:05 GMT
Where is the money for the bounties coming from? State taxes? Private donors?
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Post by maryannscraps on Sept 3, 2021 12:04:28 GMT
Where is the money for the bounties coming from? State taxes? Private donors? Civil fine paid by the defendent (whoever was sued -- could be provider, taxi driver, woman getting abortion, husband who advised her to.) My question is-- if someone sues an Uber driver for taking a woman to a clinic, does that mean the woman's medical records can be subpoenaed for the civil trial? I mean, clinics provide a lot more care than just abortions. Who's to know whether she was there for some other reason?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 3, 2021 12:17:54 GMT
Those of you who live in Texas might already know this, but in case you don’t…Time for some boycotts. he better lookout! Not only should the voters stop funding as well as all the others. Minority leader is going to try to run most of that guy's donors, telecoms, out of business...
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 3, 2021 16:18:35 GMT
Anyone surprised? Here is a glaring example of how elections have consequences.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Sept 3, 2021 18:31:45 GMT
Blessed be the fruit.
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Post by pierogi on Sept 3, 2021 18:48:14 GMT
Where is the money for the bounties coming from? State taxes? Private donors? Civil fine paid by the defendent (whoever was sued -- could be provider, taxi driver, woman getting abortion, husband who advised her to.) My question is-- if someone sues an Uber driver for taking a woman to a clinic, does that mean the woman's medical records can be subpoenaed for the civil trial? I mean, clinics provide a lot more care than just abortions. Who's to know whether she was there for some other reason? Probably, since standing no longer matters. Neither does legal privacy. At least, not in Texas.
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 3, 2021 20:52:42 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 3, 2021 22:00:48 GMT
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Post by katlady on Sept 3, 2021 22:37:42 GMT
Yay GoDaddy!!!
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Post by birukitty on Sept 3, 2021 22:52:44 GMT
Those of you who live in Texas might already know this, but in case you don’t…Time for some boycotts. Yet another reason to boycott CVS! (They also donated 5 million against universal healthcare). I will also be adding AT&T and Comcast (which we don't use anyway) to my list.
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Post by birukitty on Sept 3, 2021 23:19:33 GMT
This news today is so upsetting and shocking to me! I simply can not believe how backwards we have gone since Roe v Wade was passed in 1973-48 years ago. I was 13 years old when Roe v Wade was passed. I mean what the actual f*ck is happening to this country? I believe it actually has zero to do with saving unborn babies and everything to do with controlling women. If they had any interest at all in the unborn babies then there would be funding for taking care of these babies once they exit the womb-funding for heath care, food for the poor (more than the pitiful amount than is available now), housing, education (pre-K) and state provided day care so these mothers could work. Is there? Of course not!
Here is my favorite quote from a Catholic nun Sister Joan Chittister "I do not believe that just because you are opposed to abortion, that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born, but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is".
So many good posts on this thread today. What really stands out for me though is the increased control over women. Not one mention of what happens to the men who get these women pregnant. It's almost as if they believe it happens without any help whatsoever from men. But of course what am I thinking? That's not what this is about at all anyway.
If any woman out there doesn't think this is scary as hell I urge you to watch "The Handmaid's Tale" on Hulu because although that is fiction, Margaret Atwood wrote the book only including what was true around the world at some point in time. If you can't or don't want to pay for Hulu (and I certainly get that) I encourage you to read the book. I believe this is where we are headed-maybe not 100% but then again I never believed Roe v. Wade would be overturned in my lifetime either. Look how fast things changed in "The Handmaid's Tale" for the citizens of what eventually became Gilead. Yeah, I know-it's probably not going to happen even 50%, but knowing what can happen is the first impetus in my mind to fighting this even more strongly now than ever.
I have always believed in a woman's right to choose. Even after I became a Catholic in 2001 I still believed in a woman's right to choose.
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Post by edie3 on Sept 3, 2021 23:31:46 GMT
I bookmarked the page so I could "practice my writing skills" on it, shall I say. Anyway, the website is in site lock down mode. What a shame!
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Post by pinklady on Sept 3, 2021 23:46:57 GMT
GoDaddy aborted their website 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2021 0:11:21 GMT
"GoDaddy didn’t answer a question about whether that applies to the group’s other domains, but tells The Verge that it violated “multiple provisions” of the site’s Terms of Service including Section 5.2, which reads: You will not collect or harvest (or permit anyone else to collect or harvest) any User Content (as defined below) or any non-public or personally identifiable information about another User or any other person or entity without their express prior written consent." www.theverge.com/2021/9/3/22656196/godaddy-texas-right-for-life-abortion-whistleblowing-siteGood for GoDaddy. I've not cared for them for a while due to their suggestive advertising. But maybe they're making amends.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2021 0:20:56 GMT
Gen Z. Hanging my hopes on you.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 4, 2021 0:47:12 GMT
Texas state judge..... Texas state judge on Friday temporarily blocked an anti-abortion group from enforcing Texas's new 6-week abortion ban against Planned Parenthood, handing a narrow legal victory to abortion rights advocates.Judge Maya Guerra Gamble's (D) ruling does not invalidate the new law but rather halts Texas Right to Life and its associates from suing abortion providers and workers at Planned Parenthood clinics under the statute, S.B. 8, that took effect Wednesday. The Court finds that S.B. 8 creates a probable, irreparable, and imminent injury in the interim for which plaintiffs and their physicians, staff and patients throughout Texas have no adequate remedy at law if plaintiffs, their physicians, and staff are subjected to private enforcement lawsuits against them under S.B. 8,” Gamble wrote. thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/570817-texas-judge-hands-narrow-win-to-abortion-providers-fighting-new-6
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 4, 2021 0:56:49 GMT
Really want to slow abortions? Free, easy to get long-term birth control and education so that people know it is safe and available
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 4, 2021 1:01:49 GMT
More reasons to hate the Texas law -it's medically inaccurate or misleading at best. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/09/02/1033727679/fetal-heartbeat-isnt-a-medical-term-but-its-still-used-in-laws-on-abortionThe text of the Texas law claims that "fetal heartbeat has become a key medical predictor that an unborn child will reach live birth" and continues, "the pregnant woman has a compelling interest in knowing the likelihood of her unborn child surviving to full-term birth based on the presence of cardiac activity." But obstetricians say that's not how this information is used by health care providers. "We don't use it to date of pregnancy," says Dr. Samantha Kaplan, an OB-GYN at Boston Medical Center and assistant professor at Boston University's School of Medicine. "Or, honestly, to predict that pregnancy is going to continue until delivery." For plenty of people, she says, this activity is detected and the pregnancy still ends in a miscarriage. "There is nothing specific and meaningful and relevant about the detection of cardiac activity at this gestation that implies anything that's relevant for women's health or for pregnancies," says Kerns. "It is one indicator — among many indicators — that a pregnancy may or may not be progressing with some expected milestones."
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Post by Merge on Sept 4, 2021 2:23:56 GMT
Really want to slow abortions? Free, easy to get long-term birth control and education so that people know it is safe and available The Catholic Church (specifically the CCL, which is supposed to educate couples on sex) has been teaching for for decades that hormonal birth control causes cancer and infertility. I would imagine that other conservative churches do the same. Women pass this “information” down to their daughters and it becomes a truism that helps drive purity culture. I wonder how many unplanned pregnancies come about because some young woman is told by her mom or youth group or pastor that birth control causes cancer. All this is about punishing women for having sex. Teaching about birth control and other sex education would remove the “punishment,” so that will never happen. These people want unplanned pregnancies. They want women to suffer for the sin of having sex (no consequence for the men!) and be forced to give birth and give their babies to deserving Christian couples. I have six cousins who were adopted, back in the 60s before abortion was legal. My extended family was very open about saying that the kids were much better off with a “good” Catholic family rather than the “sinful” woman who bore them, who was somehow also to be lauded for her generosity in choosing adoption (about which she had no choice). This whole attitude was the center of teaching about sex and morality in my family and church growing up. I don’t think a lot of people realize how twisted these folks are, how deeply these beliefs are ingrained, or how long this law had been coming. Texas is just the first to pass it, but every conservative church member and “moral majority” voter from the 70s until now has had a hand in this. Protest voters who helped hand Trump his win because they “just couldn’t” vote for Hilary also had a hand in this. None of this would be a happening with a liberal SC majority. What angers me most is that national Democrats are just sitting back and letting it happen. Easier to skewer Texas than to acknowledge and try to fix the many failings that have led to this moment.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 4, 2021 3:04:33 GMT
Saw this on The Lincoln Project's fb page. Seems this may be how they are spamming the sites Tami OBrien You know, it would be a real shame if people understood that an inexpensive VPN or proxy service can make it appear that your IP originates in Texas and allow you access sites that are restricted to in state IP addresses.
It would also be just awful if people knew that you can generate six fake Texas address in seconds at: coolgenerator.com/address-generator
probably shouldn't mention that you can download a list of thousands of fake names in minutes at: fakenamegenerator.com/order
I seriously should not bring up that fake, one time email address can be had at: throwawayemail.com
Because it would be truly terrible if starting September 1st, every day hundreds of plausible but fake reports were submitted to: prolifewhistleblower.com
Because it seems like this site was started by a private organization, and I'm sure the authorities would be slightly upset if they were handed a hundred or so fake tips daily. Even if the folks running it did do some checking before filing police reports or lawsuits, it would be terrible if their manpower and IT resources were drained by having to filter through hundreds or even thousands of plausible reports daily.
If they're leasing server time from a cloud provider, they may even be charged a variable rate based on site traffic and server usage. So it's possible they could incur so fairly high costs even if they put an app in place to automatically filter reports. That would be a darn shame, wouldn't it? It would be even worse if someone programmed a bot to do this automatically at random intervals.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2021 10:18:32 GMT
I was quite taken aback when I read this. Somehow it seems a step backwards, you hear of awful stories from days gone by of women being harmed by back street abortions. I think that punishment and reporting of people involved feels especially unsettling. I realise that it is a subject that people feel strongly about in whichever direction they believe. I just don’t like the idea of women feeling trapped or afraid.
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Post by quinlove on Sept 4, 2021 13:08:53 GMT
I truly believe that the ONLY reason Abbott is making all these horrific laws is to play to his base. To get re-elected. He and his cronies don’t have a decent bone in their bodies. It can’t get any more devastating in Texas, but it’s a long way to 2022. I’m afraid that more of these disgusting laws are to come here.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 4, 2021 13:18:05 GMT
I truly believe that the ONLY reason Abbott is making all these horrific laws is to play to his base. To get re-elected. He and his cronies don’t have a decent bone in their bodies. It can’t get any more devastating in Texas, but it’s a long way to 2022. I’m afraid that more of these disgusting laws are to come here. I expect that Florida will for sure, among other states. We have plenty of these people here in Ohio, so it wouldn’t surprise me if they tried such a law here.
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