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Post by aj2hall on Sept 8, 2021 23:05:39 GMT
The bill alone is frustrating. But Abbott's comments, complete lack of understanding of biology and insensitivity to rape victims is inexcusable and infuriating. www.npr.org/2021/09/08/1035119369/fact-check-texas-gov-greg-abbotts-misleading-remarks-on-the-states-abortion-lawAt a bill signing for a different piece of legislation Tuesday, Abbott was asked about forcing a rape or incest victim to carry their pregnancy to term. He misleadingly replied that the law does not require that and went on to say that the state will "work tirelessly" to "eliminate all rapists." "Obviously, it provides at least six weeks for a person to be able to get an abortion, and so, for one, it doesn't provide that," Abbott said. "That said ... rape is a crime, and Texas will work tirelessly to make sure that we eliminate all rapists from the streets of Texas by aggressively going out and arresting them and prosecuting them and getting them off the streets." I like Planned Parenthood's response "Oh please," tweeted Planned Parenthood Action PAC, in response to a video of Abbott's comments. "If you don't understand many people don't even know they're pregnant until after 6 weeks, then you shouldn't be restricting their options." (Planned Parenthood has said only about 10% to 15% of Texans who obtain abortions in the state are fewer than six weeks into pregnancy.) Ocasio-Cortez also took issue with Abbott's comments on rape, noting that the majority of people who are raped or sexually assaulted are assaulted by someone whom they know. The anti-sexual violence nonprofit RAINN says 8 out of 10 rapes are committed by someone known to the victim. "These aren't just predators that are walking around the streets at night. They are people's uncles, they are teachers, they are family friends, and when something like that happens, it takes a very long time, first of all, for any victim to come forward," Ocasio-Cortez added. "And second of all, when a victim comes forward, they don't necessarily want to bring their case into the carceral system." Rep. Lizzie Fletcher, D-Texas, told MSNBC that Abbott's talk of eliminating rape is "magical thinking," saying his actions and priorities say otherwise.
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 9, 2021 0:37:27 GMT
There is a story on MSNBC tonight on how much the GOP has undermined COVID health measures. In Tennessee the GOP has stopped the outreach program to teenagers to get them vaccinated.
They showed a chart with how the number of kids getting COVID has spiked off their chart.
Why would any decent person want to stop/ignore measures to help stop our kids from getting this terrible virus?
And at the same time they make a big fuss about abortions. While ignoring the toll guns take on kids.
None of this makes any sense but yet that is where we are.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 9, 2021 0:55:17 GMT
There is a story on MSNBC tonight on how much the GOP has undermined COVID health measures. In Tennessee the GOP has stopped the outreach program to teenagers to get them vaccinated. They showed a chart with how the number of kids getting COVID has spiked off their chart. Why would any decent person want to stop/ignore measures to help stop our kids from getting this terrible virus? And at the same time they make a big fuss about abortions. While ignoring the toll guns take on kids. None of this makes any sense but yet that is where we are. And as I said on another thread, I am starting to hear conservatives try to blame Biden. Truly, they have no shame. The blame is at the feet of unvaccinated adults, GOP governors and legislatures. They are going to try to make this a campaign issue next year, I think. “Senator X supports Biden. And look at how the WH managed the Covid response!”
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 9, 2021 19:13:16 GMT
More details I’m sure will follow.
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Post by sabrinae on Sept 9, 2021 19:18:29 GMT
Ok, question. ( not exactly hypothetical but past tense so hypothetical in terms of this discussion ) What if a person was pregnant, heard the heart beat in an ultrasound at approx 6 weeks. Then at 12 weeks the woman starts having problems. A new ultrasound is done, there is no heartbeat, the fetus is still 6 weeks in size hasn’t grown at all since 1st ultrasound, in fact might be slightly smaller but these are 2 different techs so maybe not. Dr ( actually 2drs ) recommends a D&C for the mother’s health since she’s been carrying ‘dead’ tissue for +/- 6 weeks. Technically a D&C is an abortion. Technically it is after a heart beat ‘was’ heard. What happens in a case like this? The woman likely dies unless she can find a dr willing to challenge the law and a facility willing to challenge the law and help her. I almost died after hemorrhaging when I had the same situation. I did have a D&C and even with that it was pretty close. I would have left my then 4 and 6 year old without a mother.
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 9, 2021 19:20:43 GMT
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 9, 2021 19:22:40 GMT
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Post by sabrinae on Sept 9, 2021 19:25:22 GMT
And the GOP will say they should have kept their legs together. Maybe keeping their legs together is what it would take. If all women of childbearing age could go on a sex strike for a month or two, maybe men would take notice. “If I can’t have reasonable access to birth control or abortion, this is the only way I can guarantee I won’t get pregnant. So not tonight dear. Go solo or take a cold shower.” And yes, I know it’s not realistic because many women are in no position to say no. But a girl can dream, can’t she? And we can’t ignore that women are voting for these bills and support these bills. There are plenty ty of women supporting this power structure that leads to these results
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 9, 2021 19:52:07 GMT
They live in fear of their not so DH and every other 'father' figure.
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Post by Merge on Sept 9, 2021 19:58:40 GMT
Welp, I’m glad the Biden admin is willing to step in and help the people of Texas with this issue even though we haven’t yet managed to vote the GOP out of office. Now hopefully someone can pass some kind of voting rights legislation and/or overturn our new voting law.
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Post by dawnnikol on Sept 9, 2021 20:37:06 GMT
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Post by dewryce on Sept 9, 2021 21:00:02 GMT
I’m still just gobsmacked by Abbott’s remarks on getting rid of rapists. I mean, does he think there is a finite number of them? That if it was even actually possible to get rid of those who have raped someone that no one left will rape someone in the future?
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Post by Merge on Sept 9, 2021 21:02:12 GMT
I’m still just gobsmacked by Abbott’s remarks on getting rid of rapists. I mean, does he think there is a finite number of them? That if it was even actually possible to get rid of those who have raped someone that no one left will rape someone in the future? You know he’s going to tie this to border security somehow. Only undocumented immigrants commit crimes in his warped mind.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2021 21:44:05 GMT
Ocasio-Cortez also took issue with Abbott's comments on rape, noting that the majority of people who are raped or sexually assaulted are assaulted by someone whom they know. The anti-sexual violence nonprofit RAINN says 8 out of 10 rapes are committed by someone known to the victim. "These aren't just predators that are walking around the streets at night. They are people's uncles, they are teachers, they are family friends, and when something like that happens, it takes a very long time, first of all, for any victim to come forward," Ocasio-Cortez added. "And second of all, when a victim comes forward, they don't necessarily want to bring their case into the carceral system." When WHEN are people going to deal with the REALITY of rape instead of the scary made-for-TV-movies we all grew up with RAPES ARE MOSTLY COMMITTED BY PEOPLE KNOWN TO THE VICTIM. Yeah, that means white guys too. Not just the shadowy people in your fevered imagination, Abbott. PASTORS, PLUMBERS, PRIESTS, PRINCIPALS, PALS!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 10, 2021 1:45:15 GMT
Uncles, fathers, brothers, doctors, neighbors, ......
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 10, 2021 1:50:17 GMT
RAPES ARE MOSTLY COMMITTED BY PEOPLE KNOWN TO THE VICTIM. Can NOT be said enough. Has Abbott announced funding to clear the backlog of thousands of untested rape kits in Texas?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 10, 2021 2:40:07 GMT
I've heard the rape kits mentioned. I have no knowledge if he has said anything about funding for processing the kits. Thinking it is doubtful.
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 10, 2021 3:20:31 GMT
Got to love some of the responses..
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 10, 2021 3:41:43 GMT
Oh wait, only older white males get to make choices.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 10, 2021 14:02:03 GMT
Indicted Paxton speaks.... DOJ is supposed to protect citizens from violations of law and/or the Constitution... mobile.twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1436295145117343745Per Paxton......He doesn't need to be regulating Texas laws." Attorneys General for decades have done exactly what Garland did Thursday: sue states for violating federal law or the U.S. Constitution. But Paxton, who has been under indictment since 2015 for securities fraud, went even further down the false history road, claiming, "I've never seen a president or administration so interested in in regulating individual states and what they do this is a, is almost, I think it's unheard of." That's false, and Paxton only has to look as far as the Obama administration to see the federal government sue states for violating federal law. But perhaps even more importantly, Paxton's predecessor, now Texas Governor Greg Abbott, infamously bragged when he was the state attorney general, "I go into the office, I sue the federal government and I go home." Abbott sued the federal government more than two dozen times. www.rawstory.com/ken-paxton-merrick-garland/
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Post by Merge on Sept 10, 2021 14:16:04 GMT
Indicted Paxton speaks.... DOJ is supposed to protect citizens from violations of law and/or the Constitution... Per Paxton......He doesn't need to be regulating Texas laws." Attorneys General for decades have done exactly what Garland did Thursday: sue states for violating federal law or the U.S. Constitution. But Paxton, who has been under indictment since 2015 for securities fraud, went even further down the false history road, claiming, "I've never seen a president or administration so interested in in regulating individual states and what they do this is a, is almost, I think it's unheard of." That's false, and Paxton only has to look as far as the Obama administration to see the federal government sue states for violating federal law. But perhaps even more importantly, Paxton's predecessor, now Texas Governor Greg Abbott, infamously bragged when he was the state attorney general, "I go into the office, I sue the federal government and I go home." Abbott sued the federal government more than two dozen times. www.rawstory.com/ken-paxton-merrick-garland/Such a disgusting waste of our tax dollars. They refuse to do anything for the people of Texas - their only platform is fighting for "freedom" (unless you're a woman and/or a person of color).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 13:17:29 GMT
The man behind the TX law. "But his writings failed to win him a tenure track teaching offer, and efforts to land a job in Washington after Mr. Trump was elected president in 2016 also fizzled. After losing out on jobs in the Justice Department and the Office of Management and Budget, he was nominated by Mr. Trump to lead the Administrative Conference of the United States, an obscure federal agency that tries to make the government more efficient.... By the summer of 2018, Mr. Mitchell decided to open a one-person law firm. With Mr. Trump driving the Supreme Court rightward with his nominees, Mr. Mitchell calculated that the court would be more sympathetic to cases in areas like religious freedom, abortion, and affirmative action that big law firms would not take on because they were politically divisive. To keep his one-man shop going, Mr. Mitchell reached an agreement with Juris Capital, a company that finances small law firms in exchange for a share of damages they win in litigation. Juris agreed to give him $18,000 a month to finance his firm’s operations." www.nytimes.com/2021/09/12/us/politics/texas-abortion-lawyer-jonathan-mitchell.htmlps - I find it so aptly hypocritical that the party of "Tort Reform" and their hatred of "frivolous lawsuits" has crafted a law based on the CIVIL COURTS and CLOGGING THEM w/the very frivolous lawsuits they deride. Not only that, but that the man behind the law makes his money on civil court damage cases. Again, the very type of case that the GOP detests - when those civil cases go after big business for torts. But IOKIYAR and if you're going after women or minorities instead of going after BUSINESS in the civil courts.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 13, 2021 3:55:45 GMT
Lawyer who wrote the Texas abortion bill has stated he knowingly wrote it to get around the courts. The lawyer who invented the Texas abortion bill essentially confessed he did it to get around the courts Sarah K. Burris September 12, 2021 A New York Times report Sunday quoted a confession from lawyer Jonathan Mitchell that creating the Texas abortion bill was an effort to get around the courts voting to uphold Roe v. Wade. The Times report detailed those anti-choice activists working in Texas with Mitchell, but his statement makes it clear that he crafted the legislation to work around the system. "The political branches have been too willing to cede control of constitutional interpretation to the federal judiciary," he said. "But there are ways to counter the judiciary's constitutional pronouncements, and Texas has shown that the states need not adopt a posture of learned helplessness in response to questionable or unconstitutional court rulings." The article cites a 2018 paper that Mitchell penned outlining the use of municipal ordinances in Texas prior to doing a state-wide law in 2021. Still, Mitchell wasn't welcomed into the Donald Trump Justice Department, instead, he was appointed to a little-known agency called the Administrative Conference of the United States. The effort was stopped by Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI). www.rawstory.com/lawyer-behind-texas-abortion-law/
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 13, 2021 16:56:39 GMT
Newest Justice Barrett is concerned that citizens are thinking the SCOTUS is partisan...
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Post by onelasttime on Sept 14, 2021 18:07:18 GMT
I know when Perry, I think his name is, was governor he spend a fair amount of time in the Bay Area selling tech companies the advantage of moving to Texas and more then a few did.
But I expect most planning on leaving will go elsewhere or just stay in CA. Time will tell.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 15, 2021 20:11:05 GMT
Meidas Touch... Caution, about rape and comments about rape....
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 16, 2021 0:44:06 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 16, 2021 23:34:17 GMT
My alma mater sent out a newsletter with a link to this article where one of the professors was quoted on the economic effects of women being denied abortions. I thought this was an interesting and different perspective on the issues with the law. The findings are clear: Reproductive freedom and economic freedom go hand in hand, and have trickle-down effects on gender equality and equal pay. Data on abortion access also shows a correlation to educational attainment. "The legalization of abortion is estimated to have allowed women to finish their educations, enter professional occupations, increase wages, and avoid poverty," said Myers in emailed comments. www.cnn.com/2021/09/07/economy/abortion-access-economic-impact/index.html
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Post by casii on Sept 17, 2021 1:46:30 GMT
Thought you all might enjoy the table turning act Illinois introduced: The Texas Act`Democrat-Sponsored ‘TEXAS Act’ Would Allow $10K Bounties On Sexual Abusers, Those Who Cause Unwanted Pregnancies`
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 17, 2021 19:59:28 GMT
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