oh yvonne
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Post by oh yvonne on Oct 26, 2022 17:50:12 GMT
Ah geeze, sorry I upset you so much. I was mostly just thinking out loud. Obviously you are fired up enough at my post to have dug into my whole posting history here, that's a little weird, IDK why you care about my personal opinion but its fine. What are you talking about? I looked into no posting history, let alone yours. I looked at my notifications (you know, those numbers at the top of the screen) and saw that you liked almost all my posts on this topic. Yet, you posted what you did. I feel a serious lack of substance here with you. Per usual. Jesus. Uncle! Feel free to put me on ignore, FFS.
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Post by MichyM on Oct 26, 2022 17:54:56 GMT
I'm going to say one more thing, then obviously I need to step away for a while.
To ANYONE questioning me, and why I care SO much about this.
My great grandparents on my mother's side escaped Russia during the pogroms (look it up if you don't know what it means). My paternal grandparents both escaped eastern Europe as a result of Kristallnacht (look it up if you don't know what it is). My first boyfriend's parents BOTH survived the concentration camps and went to Cuba, then here to the US after the camp was liberated.
Ask ANY Jew. They likely have similar stories unless they're family has been here for well over 100 years.
I have personally experienced anti-Semitic behaviour directed towards me. I bet other Jews right here on peas have as well.
Yep, I'm passionate about it. If you don't like it, put me on ignore and F you.
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Post by MichyM on Oct 26, 2022 17:55:59 GMT
What are you talking about? I looked into no posting history, let alone yours. I looked at my notifications (you know, those numbers at the top of the screen) and saw that you liked almost all my posts on this topic. Yet, you posted what you did. I feel a serious lack of substance here with you. Per usual. Jesus. Uncle! Feel free to put me on ignore, FFS. My absolute pleasure. And eff you too.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 26, 2022 17:56:54 GMT
I will not patronize any business that is bigoted, or that has contracts with bigots. Kanye West got exactly what he deserves, even if it is a few weeks late. And I agree, if you befriend or support bigots of any kind-in this case, antisemites, then you are indeed part of the problem.
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Post by LiLi on Oct 26, 2022 17:58:57 GMT
How about you? Are you a fan? Are you not a fan? Do you speak out against racism/homophobes/anti-Semites and other abhorrent behaviour? Just curious. Heck no! Not a fan of Kanye! My daughter and I argued about this a couple of years ago when I was surprised his music came on in her car. She finally removed it and took my, "I told you so." Thats why this is so frustrating to me! I'm not always eloquent, but I speak out against it when I can.
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Post by oh yvonne on Oct 26, 2022 18:00:49 GMT
I apologize to anyone about my post. I was thinking the whole picture of how many music artists I'd have to stop listening to. If I hit a nerve with anyone I'm sorry, I don't support Kanye or anti semitism and IDK what my posting history says about me but I'm pretty sure you'll find I've never supported it.
Just for the record.
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Post by CardBoxer on Oct 26, 2022 18:12:08 GMT
so now there are conspiracy theorists who say that Kanye did all this on purpose so he could get out of contracts with these major retailers and retail his fashion directly. these people say it would have normally been impossible or have taken years to break these contracts but the companies did the work for him when he said that stuff. so now he's a genius for doing this? He’s so brilliant that’s he’s fired or has had six different divorce attorneys at top tier firms refuse to continue to work with him in his divorce case. Most recently Johnny Depp’s attorney, Camille Vasquez refused to work with him because of his antisemitic remarks. He’s facing a $250 million lawsuit because he spread vicious rumors that George Floyd’s death was caused by fentanyl, not the former police officer who killed him. Just two of many examples. Does that sound like a genius at work? As for his needing the right people around him, people have tried for years. But no one has influence over him. He’s a narcissist. He’s always right.
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Post by papersilly on Oct 26, 2022 18:20:35 GMT
so now there are conspiracy theorists who say that Kanye did all this on purpose so he could get out of contracts with these major retailers and retail his fashion directly. these people say it would have normally been impossible or have taken years to break these contracts but the companies did the work for him when he said that stuff. so now he's a genius for doing this? He’s so brilliant that’s he’s fired or has had six different divorce attorneys at top tier firms refuse to continue to work with him in his divorce case. Most recently Johnny Depp’s attorney, Camille Vasquez refused to work with him because of his antisemitic remarks. He’s facing a $250 million lawsuit because he spread vicious rumors that George Floyd’s death was caused by fentanyl, not the former police officer who killed him. Just two of many examples. Does that sound like a genius at work? As for his needing the right people around him, people have tried for years. But no one has influence over him. He’s a narcissist. He’s always right. i totally agree with you. i thought he was finally going to face the consequences of his actions but now these dumb conspiracy theorists are trying to rewrite the narrative to say it was his plan all along. (not so different from the actions of #45's rabid followers.) i'm so tired of people making him out to be anything but what what he truly is---a narcissist and not a genius. or has the definition of genius changed and i didn't know about it?
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Post by faithoverfear on Oct 26, 2022 18:23:49 GMT
I have never been a fan of Kanye, or his music, but I have always heard the horrible things he does and says, and I think he is a despicable human being. I also do not listen to Michael Jackson music unless it comes on when I am listening to an Amazon or iHeart radio station I am listening to. I will never buy anything by him, even though I grew up listening to his music. A few years ago, I went to Vegas with some friends and family, and the whole group chose to purchase tickets to the Michael Jackson Cirque du Soleil. At first, I told my brother to count me out, NO way was I going to support anything to do with MJ. He said that he looks at is as we are supporting the performers of the show, not MJ since he is dead. I did go, but I had a really hard time enjoying it.
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Post by Laurie on Oct 26, 2022 18:38:00 GMT
I want to be very clear that I am not condoning his behavior. However, it seems to me that he is having a manic episode. I am not saying he just gets a free pass but he has a mental illness and so I am a bit conflicted here. I want society to take mental illness more seriously and I want society to be more compassionate towards people inflicted with mental diseases. Doesn’t feel right to me if I say I want this for all those affected with mental illness except for Kanye. Idk just the inner conflict I have had when thinking about this the last couple of days. Laurie I just want to say, not to beat you up or anything but to try to share my experience with mania both personally and that of my daughter. There is possibly anger, lofty thinking, paranoia and acting out. But those things tend to be triggered by something going on in our personal lives and our heads. Like my DD will often attack me verbally abusive like for not giving her enough allowance money when she was 14. Her reaction is over the top but the basis of it is lodged in some kind of reality blown out of proportion. What I am saying here is that I believe Kanye is antisemitic. Mania just maybe allowed him to verbalize it in a way someone without mental illness might have had the good sense to keep it to themselves. I also have a very hard time giving him any kind of pass when it comes to his mental health because he has access to the very best of care. I have a very hard time controlling my mental illness. But I work at it and I work at it and I work at it some more. Kanye needs to do the same. I have compassion, to a point. I know that not everybody is me and not every situation is the same, but he's been a train wreck for a very long time and if he can't control it better, then maybe he needs to be out of the spotlight and people need to stop doing business with him so he can go take care of himself. Thank you for taking the time to post and educate me on the topic. The other day I had read this article about Kanye. I had understood from one part of the article that after the mania a person doesn't have any recollection of what they all did so this is where I have been coming from in regards to my thoughts on him.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 26, 2022 18:42:31 GMT
I had understood from one part of the article that after the mania a person doesn't have any recollection of what they all did so this is where I have been coming from in regards to my thoughts on him. I can absolutely attest that this is sometimes very true. And I had a friend ask me about hallucinations and going by my own experience, when I was having hallucinations, I wasn't coherent enough to formulate any kind of public statement. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying my experience is everyone's but I don't think mood disorders completely change your internal belief system. You just may lose your filter.
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Post by Skellinton on Oct 26, 2022 18:58:08 GMT
I had understood from one part of the article that after the mania a person doesn't have any recollection of what they all did so this is where I have been coming from in regards to my thoughts on him. I can absolutely attest that this is sometimes very true. And I had a friend ask me about hallucinations and going by my own experience, when I was having hallucinations, I wasn't coherent enough to formulate any kind of public statement. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying my experience is everyone's but I don't think mood disorders completely change your internal belief system. You just may lose your filter. Not to make light of mental illness, but I believe a good analogy may be people who are drunk. People when they are drunk don't just say things they don't already think. It releases all your inhibitions. Like Mel Gibson's drunken tirade, those were clearly thoughts he has when he's sober. He just knows enough to not say them when he is sober.
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Post by chlerbie on Oct 26, 2022 19:02:37 GMT
I'm glad that he lost his contract. Definitely deserved to have that tie severed and I'm glad that he's taking such a huge financial hit. But I also disagree with taking his music off streaming service, because I'm against the censoring of art unless it, in itself is blatantly racist. I won't be streaming it, but I don't feel it's my right to demand that it's taken away. It's the same way I feel about movies that have stars that have "shown who they are." I won't watch, but don't feel like they need to be removed from streaming. Kevin Spacey deservedly lost his job on "House of Cards" but the show remains for those who feel like they'd like to see it.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 26, 2022 19:05:33 GMT
Laurie I just read the article you linked. And I think it was consistent with my experience and my comments. I liked what the author said also about imperfection being magnified. Mania is you, perverted. And I stand by my compassion for those suffering beyond their control. Kanye is anti-medicine. He is making a choice not to do everything in his power to control himself for the sake of his "genius." As he explains it and Kim puts out this excuse for him. In addition, there are many things we as a society need to do to promote well-being in those suffering with mental illness and we need to recognize that the group least likely to get the help they need is black males. On another thread about Kanye, maybe a year ago, I brought forth statistics on this issue too. I'm an advocate, I'm understanding. But there's got to be some personal responsibility in caring for yourself. When your behavior gets out of control, there's got to be some accountability. And you just don't pull anti-Semitism out of the air.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 26, 2022 19:19:12 GMT
Little late chiming in today.... Meanwhile, the discount store T.J. Maxx is ending its partnership with Kanye as well, according to CNN Business. "At TJX we do not tolerate discrimination, harassment, or hate of any kind. We have instructed our buying teams not to purchase this merchandise for sale in any of our stores globally,” the retailer said in a statement. www.rawstory.com/kanye-west-2658511077-maxx/
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Post by melanell on Oct 26, 2022 19:23:48 GMT
I just read that anti-Semitic activities have increased 34% in the past two years. Last year there were just under 3k anti-Semitic incidents reported in the US. This blows my mind. I just can't understand it at all. I feel like the world is going backwards. It's sickening to see.
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Post by melanell on Oct 26, 2022 19:53:40 GMT
Yes to this. My brother was bi-polar and very much against racial prejudice. If anything, during a manic episode he would be more emboldened to speak out against it. The disease did not cause him to say things against his beliefs. Me neither. My DD either. My DD is very anti-racist (she's engaged to a black man) and she can blow small things right out of the water when she's manic, including perceived slights against him. I have never seen a bipolar mania episode where something came from nothing. While I have never suffered from these type of episodes myself, I do have friends & family who unfortunately have. And what you're saying sounds very much like what I've experienced with those people in my life. They have had times when they have gone from gently simmering over something in life to wildly boiling over instead. But the topics that they were suddenly overly passionate about, obsessed with, irate over, etc. were things that were already on their mind, even if very minutely by comparison. They weren't suddenly spewing all new beliefs, prejudices, or full on hate speech. BUT, even if we're wrong, and there are some folks out there who suddenly seem to become racist, anti-Semitic, bigoted, etc. due to mental illness episodes; we still can't let that behavior have a pass, because these people have followers, some of which are just dying for an excuse to act out their own discriminatory beliefs in the name of these celebrities or politicians. We need the high profile faces to receive consequences for this kind of behavior to try to show the rest of the world that it won't be tolerated, no matter who you are.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 26, 2022 20:10:07 GMT
melanell said: They have had times when they have gone from gently simmering over something in life to wildly boiling over instead. But the topics that they were suddenly overly passionate about, obsessed with, irate over, etc. were things that were already on their mind, even if very minutely by comparison. Yes it is obsessive and off the rails about something you already have brewing. Once when I was manic, my exhusband sent me to a home improvement store for grout for the shower. He was simply going to regrout the tiles. I went to five different stores and spent $1000 on things to completely redecorate the bathroom. In one of the parking lots a person was collecting signatures for a very misleading ballot proposal that I was opposed to. After he asked me to sign and I declined, I proceeded to follow him around the parking lot imploring everyone he was talking to not to sign. And I did this for about a half hour until he threatened to call the police for harassment. I don't even remember how I drove home. But by the time I got there I was having hallucinations and completely unintelligible. Grout turned into a huge bathroom project and I could have gotten arrested for harassing people due to my opposition to a ballot proposal. Neither of those things came out of nowhere.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 26, 2022 20:58:43 GMT
Kanye is anti-medicine. He is making a choice not to do everything in his power to control himself for the sake of his "genius." As he explains it and Kim puts out this excuse for him. I *kind of* understand this-- in theory. There is lots of speculation that many famous / 'genius' artists, musicians, poets, etc. may have suffered from mental illness and that *MAY* have, in turn, influenced their creativity... because your brain works differently (i.e., higher 'highs' and more intense moods). And *some* people say they don't feel like "themselves" or feel "numb" when they're taking medication. BUT- if someone (not Kanye, just in general) is that much of a genius then there should be some creativity there, even while taking medication. OR you work with your doctor to find a medication that is better for your situation-- makes you feel more 'like yourself' while STILL helping to control your symptoms and even things out. His decision to not take ANY medication has consequences that may be negative for him, just like anyone's actions have consequences. And personally, I think it's a rotten decision, considering he does have such a large following of people who may / may not understand that aspect of medications for mental illness. He could use his platform for good in relation to mental health. Instead he chooses to use it for car-crash onlookers and outrageousness.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 26, 2022 22:02:12 GMT
It was never in doubt that they would cut him loose. I'm surprised it took them as long as it did. I wondered if part of that was getting the legal team together to do it without him being able to sue them. Although they should have made an announcement they were moving that way asap Nevermind, I see up thread it wasn't a legal issue
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Post by hop2 on Oct 26, 2022 22:05:42 GMT
"Let's" start getting *this* angry about all bigotry and racism. Kanye showed his true colors years ago. Exactly, and people still did business was with him. Which anti semitic comment was one too far? Just curious.
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Post by Laurie on Oct 26, 2022 22:19:03 GMT
Laurie I just read the article you linked. And I think it was consistent with my experience and my comments. I liked what the author said also about imperfection being magnified. Mania is you, perverted. And I stand by my compassion for those suffering beyond their control. Kanye is anti-medicine. He is making a choice not to do everything in his power to control himself for the sake of his "genius." As he explains it and Kim puts out this excuse for him. In addition, there are many things we as a society need to do to promote well-being in those suffering with mental illness and we need to recognize that the group least likely to get the help they need is black males. On another thread about Kanye, maybe a year ago, I brought forth statistics on this issue too. I'm an advocate, I'm understanding. But there's got to be some personal responsibility in caring for yourself. When your behavior gets out of control, there's got to be some accountability. And you just don't pull anti-Semitism out of the air. I appreciate you taking the time and also being open with your experiences to help educate.
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Post by sasha on Oct 26, 2022 22:27:42 GMT
He should have been cancelled the moment he said slavery was a choice and shit on Harriet Tubman. There's a long list of things he's done that's really shitty but companies continued to give him a platform and he continued to grow his influence. Why in the world did it take so long?
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Post by papersilly on Oct 26, 2022 22:35:47 GMT
"Let's" start getting *this* angry about all bigotry and racism. Kanye showed his true colors years ago. Exactly, and people still did business was with him. Which anti semitic comment was one too far? Just curious. i don't know if that was a rhetorical question but i don't think it was any particular comment but more his mind set as a whole. Gap, Adidas, Balenciaga, etc were all happy enough to partner with him even if his unpredictability or volatility was already known. they probably felt they did adequate due diligence before signing with him. after all, he had the fame and influence to bring in $$$ millions for their companies. and what great artist isn't a little quirky? from a profit stand point, why wouldn't they jump at the chance? unfortunately, kanye's unpredictability became too frequent, too volatile, and uncontrollable. it could no longer be ignored because, sometime between the beginning of their partnerships and today, "cancel culture" happened. these companies can't afford to be cancelled in this day and age so they cut ties.
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Post by dawnnikol on Oct 26, 2022 22:41:42 GMT
If he wanted to be out of his contract with Adidas, guess he shouldn't have shown up to Skechers unannounced today. They escorted him out of the building.
Dude's been a piece of shit since at least 2009.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Oct 26, 2022 22:59:57 GMT
If he wanted to be out of his contract with Adidas, guess he shouldn't have shown up to Skechers unannounced today. They escorted him out of the building. Dude's been a piece of shit since at least 2009. Was that the Taylor Swift incident? I just don’t like him and for every reason there is.
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Post by Skellinton on Oct 26, 2022 23:10:28 GMT
If he wanted to be out of his contract with Adidas, guess he shouldn't have shown up to Skechers unannounced today. They escorted him out of the building. Dude's been a piece of shit since at least 2009. Love that is was reportedly 2 execs that escorted him out and they promptly released this statement "Skechers is not considering and has no intention of working with West. We condemn his recent divisive remarks and do not tolerate antisemitism or any other form of hate speech," "The Company would like to again stress that West showed up unannounced and uninvited to Skechers corporate offices."
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Post by MichyM on Oct 26, 2022 23:13:23 GMT
If he wanted to be out of his contract with Adidas, guess he shouldn't have shown up to Skechers unannounced today. They escorted him out of the building. Dude's been a piece of shit since at least 2009. Love that is was reportedly 2 execs that escorted him out and they promptly released this statement "Skechers is not considering and has no intention of working with West. We condemn his recent divisive remarks and do not tolerate antisemitism or any other form of hate speech," "The Company would like to again stress that West showed up unannounced and uninvited to Skechers corporate offices." Skechers is owned by a Jewish family.
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Post by elaine on Oct 26, 2022 23:23:06 GMT
Love that is was reportedly 2 execs that escorted him out and they promptly released this statement "Skechers is not considering and has no intention of working with West. We condemn his recent divisive remarks and do not tolerate antisemitism or any other form of hate speech," "The Company would like to again stress that West showed up unannounced and uninvited to Skechers corporate offices." Skechers is owned by a Jewish family. Kanye is too much of a dumb-f&ck to be able to hold that tidbet in his tiny bigoted brain.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2022 23:58:14 GMT
If he wanted to be out of his contract with Adidas, guess he shouldn't have shown up to Skechers unannounced today. They escorted him out of the building. Dude's been a piece of shit since at least 2009. Love that is was reportedly 2 execs that escorted him out and they promptly released this statement "Skechers is not considering and has no intention of working with West. We condemn his recent divisive remarks and do not tolerate antisemitism or any other form of hate speech," "The Company would like to again stress that West showed up unannounced and uninvited to Skechers corporate offices." That reminds me, I have a few shoes in my cart at their site. I need to narrow it down to two and check out.
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