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Post by melanell on Oct 28, 2022 11:38:13 GMT
I have to admit I don’t really get the vitriol towards Meghan and Harry (not just here…they seem pretty universally despised). I’m sure I’ll read the book…$47 on Amazon.ca for the hardcover! Having said that, I kinda feel badly for him. He has made some crappy choices, but who hasn’t. I’d imagine living your life publicly while always being referred to as “the spare” would fuck you up a bit. I had no issue with either of them until they left the royal family behind, claimed they wanted peace & privacy, & then proceeded to put their faces in front of the public in big sweeping gestures guaranteed to keep them in the middle of drama. Then they both earned big eye rolls from me. As for him being the "spare" all of his life---I can't help but compare him to Princess Anne. She is routinely called the "hardest working Royal", although despite also being the 2nd child, she lost her own "spare" label the moment her younger brothers were born, then becoming the "skipped" instead. And yet she's still working even today. Don't get me wrong, I think being part of the royal family---from Charles' generation forward---has got to be just awful in terms of the relentless public scrutiny, but I don't necessarily think that being the "spare" is nearly as problematic as other parts of Harry's life---or at least it needn't be if he chose to work to move past it.
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Post by gar on Oct 28, 2022 12:14:09 GMT
I still don’t think that Prince Charles or rather King Charles is his father. Would that be something I'm pretty sure that would have been outed by now if it was true. You only have to look to see the likenesses in the family.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Oct 28, 2022 12:23:39 GMT
This is exactly how I feel and I guess I feel bitter towards Meghan for that reason. I was thrilled when it seemed he'd met the love of his life, I loved the wedding and the prospect of new royal babies etc but it quickly went sour sadly and things are forever tainted now, whether or not the brothers ever become close again. And the book? Well it's just going to make it all worse. I felt exactly the same. Thrilled that “our Prince” had found his love and looking forward to both of them playing an important role in the family. It is such a shame how it turned out. I think the biggest catalyst was the birth of his children. As a new parent his own upbringing would be forefront in his mind and he would be thinking that no child should have been treated the way he was and the resentment just grew and grew, fanned by Meghan. I really believe with the passing of time and becoming more mature, Harry will come to realise just how hurtful all this mess is - to many, not just the RF, but by then it will be too late. This is pretty much how I felt too. I thought Meghan was so interesting, a fresh face and as an American I thought it was so cool “one of us” got to join the BRF, and all that tradition and pomp and circumstance. I really felt William, Katherine and Harry were making such important strides as a trio, such a great support to each other and that Meghan would fit right in. Boy was I wrong - obviously she had other ideas and that didn’t mesh at all, and then basically Harry was left to choose. And choose he did. It’s just getting old that he has to keep going back to this topic (which feels like a sensational money grab) instead of making strides to improve his and others situations. Like PJaye said. He had the money and the reputation but didn’t have the saddle of the throne to worry about. He could have done so much.
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Post by mom on Oct 28, 2022 12:36:43 GMT
I don’t guess anyone has their wedding or engagement thread saved? I’d love to go back and read it.
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Post by miss_lizzie on Oct 28, 2022 14:10:46 GMT
I feel for the both of them because it’s hard enough getting through life in private, much less in the public eye. Would I make their same choices? I don’t know, but I’m glad the world doesn’t have an opinion about it.
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Post by bluebird71 on Oct 28, 2022 14:19:55 GMT
I guess I'm not understanding what Prince Harry has ever done to inspire such contempt. He served in the army for 10 years and did 2 tours in Afghanistan. He started the Invictus Games to raise money for wounded and disabled veterans. Here in the US, he and his wife started a non profit that has built relief centers in Caribbean nations that were severely impacted by 2 hurricanes, they rebuilt a women's shelter in Dallas after those winter storms in Texas damaged the building. His wife wrote a children's book and then they arranged to donate thousands of copies to schools and libraries.
And I am disturbed that so many people on this thread seem ok with the overtly racist things said about Meghan in the British press, not once but many times. Like when they started dating and the Daily Mail published a story that said "Harry's new girl is (almost) straight outta Compton" and "Gang-scarred home of her mother revealed - so will he be dropping by for tea?" For those not from the US, Straight Outta Compton is an album from rap group NWA. And that was just the beginning.
As a white woman in the US, I would never have the nerve to state what forms of racism should be acceptable to a woman of color, or to say anything that implies not being able to take it is some kind of character flaw.
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Post by allison1954 on Oct 28, 2022 14:50:24 GMT
I feel for the both of them because it’s hard enough getting through life in private, much less in the public eye. Would I make their same choices? I don’t know, but I’m glad the world doesn’t have an opinion about it. I think one point is that they moved here to be out of the public eye and have a more private life, we’re told. Being on Oprah, writing a book etc doesn’t seem to jive with that.
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Post by gillyp on Oct 28, 2022 15:10:51 GMT
I guess I'm not understanding what Prince Harry has ever done to inspire such contempt. He served in the army for 10 years and did 2 tours in Afghanistan. He started the Invictus Games to raise money for wounded and disabled veterans. Here in the US, he and his wife started a non profit that has built relief centers in Caribbean nations that were severely impacted by 2 hurricanes, they rebuilt a women's shelter in Dallas after those winter storms in Texas damaged the building. His wife wrote a children's book and then they arranged to donate thousands of copies to schools and libraries. And I am disturbed that so many people on this thread seem ok with the overtly racist things said about Meghan in the British press, not once but many times. Like when they started dating and the Daily Mail published a story that said "Harry's new girl is (almost) straight outta Compton" and "Gang-scarred home of her mother revealed - so will he be dropping by for tea?" For those not from the US, Straight Outta Compton is an album from rap group NWA. And that was just the beginning. As a white woman in the US, I would never have the nerve to state what forms of racism should be acceptable to a woman of color, or to say anything that implies not being able to take it is some kind of character flaw. I must have missed it, even though I went back and read the entire thread, but where in the comments has anyone raised the question of race? It’s behaviours people are upset about.
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Post by gar on Oct 28, 2022 15:23:07 GMT
I guess I'm not understanding what Prince Harry has ever done to inspire such contempt. He served in the army for 10 years and did 2 tours in Afghanistan. He started the Invictus Games to raise money for wounded and disabled veterans. Here in the US, he and his wife started a non profit that has built relief centers in Caribbean nations that were severely impacted by 2 hurricanes, they rebuilt a women's shelter in Dallas after those winter storms in Texas damaged the building. His wife wrote a children's book and then they arranged to donate thousands of copies to schools and libraries. And I am disturbed that so many people on this thread seem ok with the overtly racist things said about Meghan in the British press, not once but many times. Like when they started dating and the Daily Mail published a story that said "Harry's new girl is (almost) straight outta Compton" and "Gang-scarred home of her mother revealed - so will he be dropping by for tea?" For those not from the US, Straight Outta Compton is an album from rap group NWA. And that was just the beginning. As a white woman in the US, I would never have the nerve to state what forms of racism should be acceptable to a woman of color, or to say anything that implies not being able to take it is some kind of character flaw. Ok, firstly as an American you obviously won't have the same emotional investment in the Royal family...so things may always look different. And there are always 2 sides to every story. Harry was a lively, enchanting child and when his mother died the nation just wanted to hold him close..he's 'our' young prince (as was William) in a way that you might not connect with. Although I can't deny there were a percentage who were racist towards Meghan, overwhelmingly she was very much welcomed and it was seen as a great thing for Harry that he'd found his life partner. The racism, none of it, was ok. Then there were the little things like not showing their new baby to the nation for quite a long time. Now you will probably say "They didn't have to!" but it's the how the relationship works - we pay towards their upkeep, 'reward' us with a glimpse of the newest member of the Family and then you'll be left alone. It's happened for generations, think recently of William and Catherine's babies, - until now. I think people felt snubbed, slighted etc. And thank you but we know very well what he did in active duty, the Invictus games etc etc. Unfortunately we now also know that he has trashed his family very publicly knowing full well they cannot/will not answer back. He was so well loved here but he's thrown it all in our faces in a way.
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Post by pinklady on Oct 28, 2022 15:48:58 GMT
Ok, firstly as an American you obviously won't have the same emotional investment in the Royal family...so things may always look different. And there are always 2 sides to every story. Harry was a lively, enchanting child and when his mother died the nation just wanted to hold him close..he's 'our' young prince (as was William) in a way that you might not connect with. Although I can't deny there were a percentage who were racist towards Meghan, overwhelmingly she was very much welcomed and it was seen as a great thing for Harry that he'd found his life partner. The racism, none of it, was ok. Then there were the little things like not showing their new baby to the nation for quite a long time. Now you will probably say "They didn't have to!" but it's the how the relationship works - we pay towards their upkeep, 'reward' us with a glimpse of the newest member of the Family and then you'll be left alone. It's happened for generations, think recently of William and Catherine's babies, - until now. I think people felt snubbed, slighted etc.And thank you but we know very well what he did in active duty, the Invictus games etc etc. Unfortunately we now also know that he has trashed his family very publicly knowing full well they cannot/will not answer back. He was so well loved here but he's thrown it all in our faces in a way. Harry has never been in line to the throne so why is what he and Meghan do or don't do compared to William and Catherine? Do you/Did you hold Beatrice, Eugenie or any of the other cousins to the same standards as William and Catherine? "We pay towards their upkeep" so show me your kid when I want and how I want. I hope you realize just so gross that sounds. The vitriol spewed by the peas about Harry and Meghan is disgusting. Nobody has any idea what Harry has been thru behind closed doors literally being the spare until George and his siblings were born. I also don't think the public knows the extent of the shit Meghan took from this outdated, out of touch business called a monarchy. They tried to step back quietly but were given the finger. They've tried to tell their truth but all they get in return is that they are liars. Harry and Meghan will never be or do what people want so honestly, now that the queen is dead, I hope Harry burns the monarchy to the ground.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 28, 2022 15:52:48 GMT
Ok, firstly as an American you obviously won't have the same emotional investment in the Royal family...so things may always look different. And there are always 2 sides to every story. Harry was a lively, enchanting child and when his mother died the nation just wanted to hold him close..he's 'our' young prince (as was William) in a way that you might not connect with. Although I can't deny there were a percentage who were racist towards Meghan, overwhelmingly she was very much welcomed and it was seen as a great thing for Harry that he'd found his life partner. The racism, none of it, was ok. Then there were the little things like not showing their new baby to the nation for quite a long time. Now you will probably say "They didn't have to!" but it's the how the relationship works - we pay towards their upkeep, 'reward' us with a glimpse of the newest member of the Family and then you'll be left alone. It's happened for generations, think recently of William and Catherine's babies, - until now. I think people felt snubbed, slighted etc.And thank you but we know very well what he did in active duty, the Invictus games etc etc. Unfortunately we now also know that he has trashed his family very publicly knowing full well they cannot/will not answer back. He was so well loved here but he's thrown it all in our faces in a way. Harry has never been in line to the throne so why is what he and Meghan do or don't do compared to William and Catherine? Do you/Did you hold Beatrice, Eugenie or any of the other cousins to the same standards as William and Catherine? "We pay towards their upkeep" so show me your kid when I want and how I want. I hope you realize just so gross that sounds. The vitriol spewed by the peas about Harry and Meghan is disgusting. Nobody has any idea what Harry has been thru behind closed doors literally being the spare until George and his siblings were born. I also don't think the public knows the extent of the shit Meghan took from this outdated, out of touch business called a monarchy. They tried to step back quietly but were given the finger. They've tried to tell their truth but all they get in return is that they are liars. Harry and Meghan will never be or do what people want so honestly, now that the queen is dead, I hope Harry burns the monarchy to the ground. Ok, but the fact that you ask that question shows you don’t understand. Harry is (well, was until he whiny rage quit) a working Royal, which means he is expected to perform certain duties in exchange for money 🤷🏻♀️ The other cousins are not working royals. That’s why Harry is compared to the other working royals and Beatrice and Eugenia are not.
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Post by gillyp on Oct 28, 2022 15:58:20 GMT
I hope Harry burns the monarchy to the ground. Blimey, tell it as it is, why don’t you. But get your facts right first. Harry is currently 5th in line to the throne and had William not had children he would have been 2nd.
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Post by onelasttime on Oct 28, 2022 15:59:56 GMT
I guess I'm not understanding what Prince Harry has ever done to inspire such contempt. He served in the army for 10 years and did 2 tours in Afghanistan. He started the Invictus Games to raise money for wounded and disabled veterans. Here in the US, he and his wife started a non profit that has built relief centers in Caribbean nations that were severely impacted by 2 hurricanes, they rebuilt a women's shelter in Dallas after those winter storms in Texas damaged the building. His wife wrote a children's book and then they arranged to donate thousands of copies to schools and libraries. And I am disturbed that so many people on this thread seem ok with the overtly racist things said about Meghan in the British press, not once but many times. Like when they started dating and the Daily Mail published a story that said "Harry's new girl is (almost) straight outta Compton" and "Gang-scarred home of her mother revealed - so will he be dropping by for tea?" For those not from the US, Straight Outta Compton is an album from rap group NWA. And that was just the beginning. As a white woman in the US, I would never have the nerve to state what forms of racism should be acceptable to a woman of color, or to say anything that implies not being able to take it is some kind of character flaw. Ok, firstly as an American you obviously won't have the same emotional investment in the Royal family...so things may always look different. And there are always 2 sides to every story. Harry was a lively, enchanting child and when his mother died the nation just wanted to hold him close..he's 'our' young prince (as was William) in a way that you might not connect with. Although I can't deny there were a percentage who were racist towards Meghan, overwhelmingly she was very much welcomed and it was seen as a great thing for Harry that he'd found his life partner. The racism, none of it, was ok. Then there were the little things like not showing their new baby to the nation for quite a long time. Now you will probably say "They didn't have to!" but it's the how the relationship works - we pay towards their upkeep, 'reward' us with a glimpse of the newest member of the Family and then you'll be left alone. It's happened for generations, think recently of William and Catherine's babies, - until now. I think people felt snubbed, slighted etc. And thank you but we know very well what he did in active duty, the Invictus games etc etc. Unfortunately we now also know that he has trashed his family very publicly knowing full well they cannot/will not answer back. He was so well loved here but he's thrown it all in our faces in a way. If he was truly so well loved as you claim then I think you would want him to be happy and support what he feels is best for him and his family. It can’t be easy living in that environment and to have a father do what he did can make it even harder. Not all people are cut out for living that life. They’re living in CA now so I get to defend them if I think you’ll are being pissy.
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Post by pinklady on Oct 28, 2022 16:03:30 GMT
I hope Harry burns the monarchy to the ground. Blimey, tell it as it is, why don’t you. But get your facts right first. Harry is currently 5th in line to the throne and had William not had children he would have been 2nd. You are right, I should have said Harry will never be King instead of never been in line to the throne.
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Post by gizzy on Oct 28, 2022 16:09:38 GMT
I'll read it. I'm not buying it, I'll check it out from the library.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Oct 28, 2022 16:16:49 GMT
I am on my phone so quoting not really working for me but: They tried to step back quietly but were given the finger.
I disagree. They were willing to step back as long as they could do what they wanted to do, some of what wasn’t kosher per the Queen. Rolling up on Oprah didnt look like trying to live their best lives alone to me. She couldn’t allow them to dictate to her how it was going to go, so she had to make the hard decision not only as a grandmother but the Queen. She was Queen above all.
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Post by leftturnonly on Oct 28, 2022 17:56:41 GMT
At least some of us in the US agree in more than one way.
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Post by Lexica on Oct 28, 2022 17:57:35 GMT
I will eventually read the book when the price comes down. I don't know why, but what bothers me the most is the damaged relationship between the brothers. They seemed so very close for so long. And they had the shared horrible experience of losing their mother at a young age. Who better to understand your pain than the sibling that went through it with you? I'm sad that they seem to have lost that. William seems to be better suited to the whole stiff upper lip thing. And he has a supportive wife to help him through any lingering mental issues with losing his mom. Harry seems to be much less able to move on. Was it his age when it happened or just his basic personality? Not being in their shoes, I can't imagine the pain of losing her and having the whole world watching.
I do agree that it seems that Megan has led Harry away from his family, which I don't think is a good thing. Getting away from a public life, yes, I get that. But did they really think that would happen? I personally don't think they stuck it out long enough to know if things would get better for them. Yes, the racial crap was horrible. But if she had stayed and as many have commented on, as a couple they could have done so much good for the world. She could have changed people's perception of her by working hard and fitting into the family she chose to marry into. And it sounds like people were welcoming, according to our British peas. And if after several years of trying, they could have stepped back gradually if they really needed to. Doing it the way they did just seemed like a foot stomp and naturally brought more negative attention to them. It is just sad.
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Post by leftturnonly on Oct 28, 2022 18:03:37 GMT
the overtly racist things said about Meghan in the British press I do not follow British Press and so I have no opinion about how racist they may or may not be. I have heard Harry repeatedly called a Ginger in a definitively derogatory manner, though. Why look any further than that? It's his hair color, for goodness sakes. It's not the mark of Cain.
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 28, 2022 19:04:38 GMT
She could have changed people's perception of her by working hard and fitting into the family she chose to marry into. Or never been enough no matter what she did. As someone who married into a very different family than the one I was raised in, I'm fascinated by everyone assuming Meghan is making the decisions for Harry. I chose to marry my DH and he chose to marry me. I knew what his family was like and the challenges/expectations they would throw at us and married him despite them. With no thought of trying to fit in and change who I was to make them happy. What a sad thought. We deliberately moved away from his family a few years into our marriage. Not because I need the distance, but because he does, and I support him.
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Post by Lexica on Oct 28, 2022 19:09:33 GMT
She could have changed people's perception of her by working hard and fitting into the family she chose to marry into. Or never been enough no matter what she did. As someone who married into a very different family than the one I was raised in, I'm fascinated by everyone assuming Meghan is making the decisions for Harry. I chose to marry my DH and he chose to marry me. I knew what his family was like and the challenges/expectations they would throw at us and married him despite them. With no thought of trying to fit in and change who I was to make them happy. What a sad thought. We deliberately moved away from his family a few years into our marriage. Not because I need the distance, but because he does, and I support him. You make some good points. I think many of us just assume Megan is the driving force behind this because Harry seemed at least content with his life prior to marrying her and because she seems to have a very strong personality. From what the British peas say, Megan was being accepted. Although inside the RF, that may not have been the case, you are correct. I still think they moved away too soon. If they stayed and gave it a try, people might back off a bit saying at least they attempted. But I'm not inside their marriage and it isn't for me to say what should have happened. Nor is it for any of us, really. I'm just really sad about the brothers.
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Post by leftturnonly on Oct 28, 2022 20:01:52 GMT
I'm fascinated by everyone assuming Meghan is making the decisions for Harry. These royals are scrutinized every day by people with cameras. Lots of cameras. It's the way Meghan grabs onto Harry and the way everything always comes back to being about her that have given people the idea that she's behaving like the boss. The King, Queen Consort, Prince & Princesses of Wales put out a photograph of the four of them from the time of Queen Elizabeth's funeral. It's a nice portrait. Then Meghan & Harry put out their professional portraits, which to be fair had been taken just before the Queen's passing. Harry is positioned like the supporting character. ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeKIXDhXgAApVQ7?format=jpg&name=4096x4096) ![](https://pagesix.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2022/10/harry-meghan-photo-snub-sussex408.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1024)
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Post by tracylynn on Oct 28, 2022 20:16:26 GMT
I guess I'm not understanding what Prince Harry has ever done to inspire such contempt. He served in the army for 10 years and did 2 tours in Afghanistan. He started the Invictus Games to raise money for wounded and disabled veterans. Here in the US, he and his wife started a non profit that has built relief centers in Caribbean nations that were severely impacted by 2 hurricanes, they rebuilt a women's shelter in Dallas after those winter storms in Texas damaged the building. His wife wrote a children's book and then they arranged to donate thousands of copies to schools and libraries. And I am disturbed that so many people on this thread seem ok with the overtly racist things said about Meghan in the British press, not once but many times. Like when they started dating and the Daily Mail published a story that said "Harry's new girl is (almost) straight outta Compton" and "Gang-scarred home of her mother revealed - so will he be dropping by for tea?" For those not from the US, Straight Outta Compton is an album from rap group NWA. And that was just the beginning. As a white woman in the US, I would never have the nerve to state what forms of racism should be acceptable to a woman of color, or to say anything that implies not being able to take it is some kind of character flaw. Ok, firstly as an American you obviously won't have the same emotional investment in the Royal family...so things may always look different. And there are always 2 sides to every story. Harry was a lively, enchanting child and when his mother died the nation just wanted to hold him close..he's 'our' young prince (as was William) in a way that you might not connect with. Although I can't deny there were a percentage who were racist towards Meghan, overwhelmingly she was very much welcomed and it was seen as a great thing for Harry that he'd found his life partner. The racism, none of it, was ok. Then there were the little things like not showing their new baby to the nation for quite a long time. Now you will probably say "They didn't have to!" but it's the how the relationship works - we pay towards their upkeep, 'reward' us with a glimpse of the newest member of the Family and then you'll be left alone. It's happened for generations, think recently of William and Catherine's babies, - until now. I think people felt snubbed, slighted etc. And thank you but we know very well what he did in active duty, the Invictus games etc etc. Unfortunately we now also know that he has trashed his family very publicly knowing full well they cannot/will not answer back. He was so well loved here but he's thrown it all in our faces in a way. And this is where the problem is. Harry is not YOURS (not speaking to you, Gar, just UK in general). He is his own person, who married a woman. They don't owe anyone pictures of their brand new baby standing on the steps of the hospital hours after Meghan had gone through labor. I cringe every time I see Kate do it. How fucking horrid is that? If people feel snubbed over the fact that a woman just spent however many hours in labor delivering a baby and wants a few days of privacy with her new baby - that's a them problem, not a Harry/Meghan problem. I'll repeat, they do not owe anyone anything as private as this. I'm not sure how Harry telling his truth pisses so many people off so bad. My only assumption can be that it's because sometimes truth hurts. I honestly can't believe that anyone who believes the horrid things that they are saying on this thread has actually listened to him speak about how he feels about all of this. Listening to him speak about the racism that Meghan was facing and it going unanswered by his family even though he was begging for their help. I believe that's what someone upthread meant when they said the racism was being ignored. I disagree with the statement that the racism was coming from a small percentage of people. Micro aggressions are a thing, and it's almost one thing to be coming from a public that you can't control, but when those micro aggressions are coming from the family that you are marrying into ... that's something entirely different. Did anyone watch the coverage from the funeral in September? Even with Meghan trying to be in the background the press couldn't leave it alone. It was all about her. She did not go to Balmoral Castle with Harry when the family was called - she was raked over that even though it was report she was asked not to come (which is an entirely different topic - who thought it was OK to ask Harry not to bring his wife for moral support as his grandmother is dying if this is true??). She tried to stay in the background as much as possible but the press continued to talk all about her, her every move, what she wore, the fact that she was holding on to Harry's hand in a dominant way instead of submissive way, blah blah blah. The UK Press are rabid over her, and if we're being honest the people there are too. Because if they weren't, the press would stop talking about her because people wouldn't buy their garbage. When they left the Royal Family they never said they wanted peace and privacy and that's why they were leaving. Harry himself has said he didn't feel supported by his family, he didn't feel understood by his family and the UK press was effecting both their mental health. And even if "privacy" did come into play, that never meant they were going to come to America and crawl into a hole and hide away. Even the paps over here aren't on the same level with the UK Press when it comes to the Royals. Not to mention that as Gar even pointed out here that people in the UK believe they are owed when it comes to the Royals. The UK Press wasn't going to stop. I rarely, if ever, see them in rag magazines in the US. The only time I see coverage of them is when they want that coverage. I have no problem with them controlling their own narrative. That's their right. Harry truly is the "spare". I was 7 or 8 when he was born and I remember very clearly asking my Mom what "spare" meant and not understanding that at all. For someone (upthread) to actually proclaim that it was maybe even Diana who dubbed him that is absolutely outrageous. There are plenty of stories about how that title troubled her and she tried to shield him from that label. As if she would ever consider her second son a spare.
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Post by tracylynn on Oct 28, 2022 20:20:30 GMT
Or never been enough no matter what she did. As someone who married into a very different family than the one I was raised in, I'm fascinated by everyone assuming Meghan is making the decisions for Harry. I chose to marry my DH and he chose to marry me. I knew what his family was like and the challenges/expectations they would throw at us and married him despite them. With no thought of trying to fit in and change who I was to make them happy. What a sad thought. We deliberately moved away from his family a few years into our marriage. Not because I need the distance, but because he does, and I support him. You make some good points. I think many of us just assume Megan is the driving force behind this because Harry seemed at least content with his life prior to marrying her and because she seems to have a very strong personality. From what the British peas say, Megan was being accepted. Although inside the RF, that may not have been the case, you are correct. I still think they moved away too soon. If they stayed and gave it a try, people might back off a bit saying at least they attempted. But I'm not inside their marriage and it isn't for me to say what should have happened. Nor is it for any of us, really. I'm just really sad about the brothers. I think to this point, we don't know if that's true or not. Harry has been very open about his mental health struggles even before knowing Meghan. He was doing what was expected of him because he was required to, not necessarily because he was content. I would further ask - is being content enough? Maybe for some it is, but isn't being happy really the goal?
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Post by lisacharlotte on Oct 28, 2022 20:20:38 GMT
Harry and Meghan made their bed and they get to lie in it. They had unprecedented opportunities when they left the UK to move forward doing what they wanted with that opportunity. To date, it’s been nothing but petty bitching about their time as working royals and doing everything they can to cash in on the relationship. It’s their only relevance after 3 years on their own. Archewell inserts itself into charities that are doing the actual work. If someone can show me where Archewell is actually providing significant funding, I’d be happy to eat my words. “Partnering” where someone else provides the goods or funding is not charity.
The Saint Meghan Markle subreddit is not for everyone. There are smart, critical examinations of the Sussexes and their PR. There are also nut job conspiracy theories that I peek at occasionally and then scroll on by. It’s definitely entertaining.
I would also recommend the thread on r/casualUK about The Spare. It’s some of the funniest stuff I’ve seen in Reddit in a while.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 28, 2022 21:02:05 GMT
I guess I'm not understanding what Prince Harry has ever done to inspire such contempt. He served in the army for 10 years and did 2 tours in Afghanistan. He started the Invictus Games to raise money for wounded and disabled veterans. Here in the US, he and his wife started a non profit that has built relief centers in Caribbean nations that were severely impacted by 2 hurricanes, they rebuilt a women's shelter in Dallas after those winter storms in Texas damaged the building. His wife wrote a children's book and then they arranged to donate thousands of copies to schools and libraries. And I am disturbed that so many people on this thread seem ok with the overtly racist things said about Meghan in the British press, not once but many times. Like when they started dating and the Daily Mail published a story that said "Harry's new girl is (almost) straight outta Compton" and "Gang-scarred home of her mother revealed - so will he be dropping by for tea?" For those not from the US, Straight Outta Compton is an album from rap group NWA. And that was just the beginning. As a white woman in the US, I would never have the nerve to state what forms of racism should be acceptable to a woman of color, or to say anything that implies not being able to take it is some kind of character flaw. Speaking only for myself, I have 1) not been reading the British press and 2) commented exclusively on this tell all book, which is, after all, the topic of this thread. It’s tasteless, especially after he has already made many of his complaints known. And now he has the bad luck of having his book come out shortly after his grandmother’s death. He has every right to write that book, and everyone else has a right to express their opinion of it.
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Post by tracylynn on Oct 28, 2022 21:12:04 GMT
Harry and Meghan made their bed and they get to lie in it. They had unprecedented opportunities when they left the UK to move forward doing what they wanted with that opportunity. To date, it’s been nothing but petty bitching about their time as working royals and doing everything they can to cash in on the relationship. It’s their only relevance after 3 years on their own. Archewell inserts itself into charities that are doing the actual work. If someone can show me where Archewell is actually providing significant funding, I’d be happy to eat my words. “Partnering” where someone else provides the goods or funding is not charity. The Saint Meghan Markle subreddit is not for everyone. There are smart, critical examinations of the Sussexes and their PR. There are also nut job conspiracy theories that I peek at occasionally and then scroll on by. It’s definitely entertaining. I would also recommend the thread on r/casualUK about The Spare. It’s some of the funniest stuff I’ve seen in Reddit in a while. There are plenty of articles that talk about what they have been doing charity wise. And sometimes non-profits aren't about taking personal money and donating under the umbrella either. It's about name recognition to get others to help as well. Despite the sheer number of people at 2Peas who dislike them immensely, that's not the case everywhere and their names do pull star power.
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Post by katlady on Oct 28, 2022 22:11:36 GMT
Why are people, in general, upset about all the hand holding between these two during the days after the Queen's death? To me, it is a sign of support during a sad and emotional time. Harry was close to the Queen, and I can understand him wanting to reach out and hold his wife's hand. I don't think being the "spare" is easy for anyone, knowing you are basically the backup until you eventually get bumped. You grow up, getting groomed for a position you will possibly never inherit. I think Princess Anne is different, because she pretty much knew all her life she would not be Charles' backup, that fell to Andrew. She is a remarkable woman, but she pretty much knew from a young age that she would not be Queen. I really don't follow the stories about Harry/Meghan/the Royal Family much, just read little snippets here and there. I can understand how people can feel betrayed by them, but I do understand them wanting to live their own lives, away from the protocols and rules of being a Royal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2022 22:19:34 GMT
As a commoner living in a Commonwealth country 'founded' by this disgusting organisation, I'd be happy to read a book from Harry that is an historical account of all the ways the Royal Family has benefited from destroying lives over the course of history. I'm all for him tarnishing the name, in whatever way he wants, of such a stupid, ridiculous organisation...in my humble lowly peasant opinion ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Burn it all to the ground Harry. Figuratively of course...no one wants to see the pretty jewels and dresses destroyed so the grown ups can't play dress ups anymore.
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Post by mom on Oct 28, 2022 22:51:18 GMT
I guess I'm not understanding what Prince Harry has ever done to inspire such contempt. He served in the army for 10 years and did 2 tours in Afghanistan. He started the Invictus Games to raise money for wounded and disabled veterans. Here in the US, he and his wife started a non profit that has built relief centers in Caribbean nations that were severely impacted by 2 hurricanes, they rebuilt a women's shelter in Dallas after those winter storms in Texas damaged the building. His wife wrote a children's book and then they arranged to donate thousands of copies to schools and libraries. And I am disturbed that so many people on this thread seem ok with the overtly racist things said about Meghan in the British press, not once but many times. Like when they started dating and the Daily Mail published a story that said "Harry's new girl is (almost) straight outta Compton" and "Gang-scarred home of her mother revealed - so will he be dropping by for tea?" For those not from the US, Straight Outta Compton is an album from rap group NWA. And that was just the beginning.
As a white woman in the US, I would never have the nerve to state what forms of racism should be acceptable to a woman of color, or to say anything that implies not being able to take it is some kind of character flaw. Can you please link to where any of us were ok with that? We can not like someone AND also think that they don't deserves racism. Im on a trip right now, but I plan on digging up their wedding + engagement threads. I am quite certain many, many of us were in favor of her and Harry when they were engaged and married.
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