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Post by mom on Oct 28, 2022 23:00:25 GMT
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 28, 2022 23:09:07 GMT
I think the fact that there is so much speculation and negativity about the book—when it isn’t even out yet and we don’t know what he writes—is symbolic of his life as “the spare”. People don’t treat him like he is human. He is a “prince” and here solely for your service, abuse, judgement, vitriol or love. Your treatment of him depends on how you feel that day or which other royal you prefer. The fact that people don’t seem to recognize their/your role in his unhappiness is pretty…sad.
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Post by leftturnonly on Oct 28, 2022 23:30:15 GMT
Why are people, in general, upset about all the hand holding between these two during the days after the Queen's death? To me, it is a sign of support during a sad and emotional time. To the Brits, to my understanding, it is seen as very childish in these circumstances. (Correct me if I'm wrong here.) It just goes so much further than simple hand holding, though. There are lots of people online who discuss their body language. See if you can find anyone talking about how grabby (sorry, but I really don't know how else to describe it) Meghan was while sitting next to Harry at the Invectus Games recently. Seriously. She grabbed his hand, he pulled it away, she then grabbed it again and placed it on her thigh and held it there with both hands all while smiling away.
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Post by gillyp on Oct 29, 2022 0:14:26 GMT
I’ve just finished reading the wedding thread and you’ve listed two more mom! I didn’t remember anything I’d written and certainly didn’t remember I’d started it! I’m glad I read it again. Bar one or two very slightly barbed comments the whole thing was full of positivity, joy and hopes for the young couple. I hope those US Peas who seem to think all the Brits hate Meghan and are racially biased against her read it and see nothing can be further from the truth. She was very much welcomed by the majority of the public here. It’s such a shame that things turned so bad. I still hold out hopes that things can improve between everyone involved in the rift. I know from my own family where things and relationships went awry that eventually there was a truce and people were able to move forward together. I wish that for Harry and Meghan no matter how much I might dislike his book or things Meghan says and does against the Monarchy. I DO wish for the happy ending.
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Post by pjaye on Oct 29, 2022 0:21:23 GMT
I guess I'm not understanding what Prince Harry has ever done to inspire such contempt. He served in the army for 10 years and did 2 tours in Afghanistan. He started the Invictus Games to raise money for wounded and disabled veterans. Here in the US, h e and his wife started a non profit that has built relief centers in Caribbean nations that were severely impacted by 2 hurricanes, they rebuilt a women's shelter in Dallas after those winter storms in Texas damaged the building. His wife wrote a children's book and then they arranged to donate thousands of copies to schools and libraries. You need to read this: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10353787/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markles-Archewell-charity-raised-50-000-2020.htmlArchewell ALONE have done very few of these things. They only made $50,000 in their first year and they are not getting the sort of donations they expected, so instead they just "partner" with other organizations who provide the bulk of the funding while H&M advertise and take the credit. So far only ONE relief center has been built and it was in conjunction with José Andrés’s charity World Central Kitchen. They did not "rebuild a women's shelter" - they replaced a damaged roof. They "partner with" companies like Procter & Gamble to donate baby goods etc for but obviously P&G fund the cost of the actual items. They hand out $25 Starbucks cards to 25 people, they bring some snacks to people at a school shooting site. Their stuff is all small scale. When they visited a school in an underprivileged area they said they'd donate some of Harry's book money when it comes in...and once again P&G donated a washing machine and dryer. At that same visit, Meghan wore tens of thousands of dollars worth of clothes & jewelry. They aren't doing anything extraordinary, and in fact do a LOT less than a lot of smaller community charities that don't spend nearly the amount of money they do in promoting themselves. Capt Tom The UK pensioner doing laps of his garden with a walker raised over $30 Million far surpassing anything H&M have done. They donated all those copies of Meghan's book because no-one was buying it so they did, and donated them as a tax write off. And what school needs 10 boxes of the SAME book? Sure donating books is great, but donating multiple copies of the one book you wrote to the same place because it didn't sell, is pretty lame. One telling factor is who doesn't work with them. There was just a big announcement from the Michelle Obama/Amal Clooney /Melinda Gates for the "Get Her There" time.com/6225181/michelle-obama-amal-clooney-melinda-french-gates-gender-equality/Now that's an example of great charity work worth talking about...not a few bags of chips and a Starbucks card while you wear a $3000 shirt.
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Post by elaine on Oct 29, 2022 0:24:01 GMT
I guess I'm not understanding what Prince Harry has ever done to inspire such contempt. He served in the army for 10 years and did 2 tours in Afghanistan. He started the Invictus Games to raise money for wounded and disabled veterans. Here in the US, he and his wife started a non profit that has built relief centers in Caribbean nations that were severely impacted by 2 hurricanes, they rebuilt a women's shelter in Dallas after those winter storms in Texas damaged the building. His wife wrote a children's book and then they arranged to donate thousands of copies to schools and libraries. And I am disturbed that so many people on this thread seem ok with the overtly racist things said about Meghan in the British press, not once but many times. Like when they started dating and the Daily Mail published a story that said "Harry's new girl is (almost) straight outta Compton" and "Gang-scarred home of her mother revealed - so will he be dropping by for tea?" For those not from the US, Straight Outta Compton is an album from rap group NWA. And that was just the beginning. As a white woman in the US, I would never have the nerve to state what forms of racism should be acceptable to a woman of color, or to say anything that implies not being able to take it is some kind of character flaw. Huh. So dressing up as a Nazi is a-okay? You are fine with BLATANT anti-semitism? Geez. Nice to know what is perfectly fine in your book and not worthy of contempt. Glad to know racism bothers you, but you are fine with Harry’s anti-semitism.
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Post by pilcas on Oct 29, 2022 0:32:13 GMT
I did understand and respect his wishing to be away from the pressures of the Royal Family. I thought he wanted a normal lifestyle in the USA with his family. But once he started with the interviews and all that it became about making money off his Royal background. The total opposite of what he said he wanted. He is burning his bridges and if he wants to reconcile with his family this is not the way to do it. It reminds me of Megan’s father and all his interviews before the Royal Wedding.
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Post by pjaye on Oct 29, 2022 1:40:11 GMT
No wonder I couldn't find the wedding thread, it doesn't have their names or wedding or royal in the title! I was on the money in the engagement thread. I predicted that she would have trouble adjusting to the different culture and constraints of royal life...and I was right. I was wrong about the divorce though, my version of her being unhappy and wanting out was her leaving and going back to the USA...which I thought would mean divorce because at the time I didn't even consider the possibility that Harry would go too. Still, there was a "split" - it was just Harry and his family rather than Harry & Meghan. I skimmed through the wedding thread - in hindsight it makes sense why Oprah was there. Interesting that none of those famous people invited ever turned out to be real friends...except maybe Serene Williams, although that seems more transactional when it's mutually beneficial. It was all a big show, they wanted to public to believe they moved in those circles, and 4 years later, we know for a fact they don't. If Harry goes after Camilla or speculates about William having affair in this book - then I think will be no chance of reconciliation. Everyone who supports Harry for choosing Meghan over his family, should then have zero issues with Charles or William choosing their wives over Harry.
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Post by pjaye on Oct 29, 2022 1:56:27 GMT
And I am disturbed that so many people on this thread seem ok with the overtly racist things said about Meghan in the British press, not once but many times. Like when they started dating and the Daily Mail published a story that said "Harry's new girl is (almost) straight outta Compton" and "Gang-scarred home of her mother revealed - so will he be dropping by for tea?" For those not from the US, Straight Outta Compton is an album from rap group NWA. And that was just the beginning. Huh. So "straight outta Compton" is a massive racist insult? You might want to clue both Meghan and Serena Willimas in on this because they discussed it in her podcast, and Meghan pointed out to Serena that she is the one "outta Compton": So Meghan was just "overtly racist" directly to Serena's face during her podcast?
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Post by Nanner on Oct 29, 2022 4:19:57 GMT
I won't read it.
He's just a whiny baby who needs to grow up.
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Post by samantha25 on Oct 29, 2022 4:21:23 GMT
Ok, firstly as an American you obviously won't have the same emotional investment in the Royal family...so things may always look different. And there are always 2 sides to every story. Harry was a lively, enchanting child and when his mother died the nation just wanted to hold him close..he's 'our' young prince (as was William) in a way that you might not connect with. Although I can't deny there were a percentage who were racist towards Meghan, overwhelmingly she was very much welcomed and it was seen as a great thing for Harry that he'd found his life partner. The racism, none of it, was ok. Then there were the little things like not showing their new baby to the nation for quite a long time. Now you will probably say "They didn't have to!" but it's the how the relationship works - we pay towards their upkeep, 'reward' us with a glimpse of the newest member of the Family and then you'll be left alone. It's happened for generations, think recently of William and Catherine's babies, - until now. I think people felt snubbed, slighted etc. And thank you but we know very well what he did in active duty, the Invictus games etc etc. Unfortunately we now also know that he has trashed his family very publicly knowing full well they cannot/will not answer back. He was so well loved here but he's thrown it all in our faces in a way. If he was truly so well loved as you claim then I think you would want him to be happy and support what he feels is best for him and his family. It can’t be easy living in that environment and to have a father do what he did can make it even harder. Not all people are cut out for living that life. They’re living in CA now so I get to defend them if I think you’ll are being pissy. "It can’t be easy living in that environment and to have a father do what he did can make it even harder. Not all people are cut out for living that life."
This statement hit home to me. What if you're not cut out for living that life, especially if forced into it and how could you change it?
A year before my mom passed from parotid gland cancer, one of my previous employers contacted me for a job in a position I was unfamiliar, but, thought, wow, they contacted me, I can do this. I thought I could do it and took the position, trying to make my mom proud. That I'd be ok, taking care of my family and my mom wouldn't have to worry. Well, it didn't work out and left last month (did a movie moment resignation, leaving on the spot. Raised my hand and said- here's my two weeks and left). You just don't know what you will do for family or what provisions or expectations you put on yourself and responsibilities to loved ones. Maybe I should put this response in another post. I tend to be a thread killer.
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Post by mom on Oct 29, 2022 6:07:51 GMT
I guess I'm not understanding what Prince Harry has ever done to inspire such contempt. He served in the army for 10 years and did 2 tours in Afghanistan. He started the Invictus Games to raise money for wounded and disabled veterans. Here in the US, he and his wife started a non profit that has built relief centers in Caribbean nations that were severely impacted by 2 hurricanes, they rebuilt a women's shelter in Dallas after those winter storms in Texas damaged the building. His wife wrote a children's book and then they arranged to donate thousands of copies to schools and libraries. And I am disturbed that so many people on this thread seem ok with the overtly racist things said about Meghan in the British press, not once but many times. Like when they started dating and the Daily Mail published a story that said "Harry's new girl is (almost) straight outta Compton" and "Gang-scarred home of her mother revealed - so will he be dropping by for tea?" For those not from the US, Straight Outta Compton is an album from rap group NWA. And that was just the beginning.
As a white woman in the US, I would never have the nerve to state what forms of racism should be acceptable to a woman of color, or to say anything that implies not being able to take it is some kind of character flaw. Can you please link to where any of us were ok with that? We can not like someone AND also think that they don't deserves racism. Im on a trip right now, but I plan on digging up their wedding + engagement threads. I am quite certain many, many of us were in favor of her and Harry when they were engaged and married. I’m quoting myself because I really want to know what we’ve said in this thread that lends to believe we are ok with racism? You should not be afraid to link your evidence if you’re so disturbed by it. I’ve linked the threads earlier on this page about their engagement, engagement photos and their wedding and can recall one person not thinking Meghan marrying Harry was a good thing. The rest of us were excited and happy for them. Most of us were fans til the drama and games started.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Oct 29, 2022 6:15:15 GMT
It’s a memoir. I’ve read a lot of them. They generally start when the author is young, and proceed to the present day. They are told in the subject’s voice, from their perspective. Harry has certainly led the kind of life that makes a good memoir. I can understand why the RF are so defensive. I think the more interesting question is why are so many regular people also defensive ? Is it because they contributed to the abuse of M and H by buying, clicking, and parroting the hateful rhetoric of the disgusting tabloids? Those entities are not produced in a vacuum. They figure out which narratives sell the most and go with those. The same “news” purveyors who are so concerned that Harry’s book will be disrespectful to the RF are the ones who trumpeted the current king when he expressed a wish to be his lover’s tampon. Who blasted photos of topless duchesses on their printed sheets. Who spread rumors of Harry being illegitimate. Who launched the idea that William had an affair with that Rose woman. NOW they’re worried that someone will be disrespectful? I agree with a lot of what pinklady wrote. The exception is I don’t want the RF to go away. As a lover of history, I like that the UK still has the monarchy even in these modern times. But if the people ever decide they no longer support the RF, it will not be because of H and M. They will only have themselves to blame. And, yes, I will be reading Harry’s book. I think the title is perfect. And compared with Princess Margaret and Prince Andrew, ( the two other “spares”, I think Harry’s doing very well for himself.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Oct 29, 2022 15:11:33 GMT
I think, in the beginning stages many of us were happy for Harry, and wished them all the best.
Then things changed. Which in my opinion, is when Meghan decided she didn't like the "Royal rules, protocols, expectations and duties". That turned into "we are resigning from Royal duty, we want our privacy and we are moving to a new country". Somewhere along the way "we want our privacy" turned into "we need attention and income, and we will do whatever it takes to keep our names in the spotlight and generate income". Thus began one publicity stunt after another, which started burning his-her-their proverbial "Royal bridge".
If they truly wanted privacy, they would have settled on the outskirts of a small town, and lived a semi-private lifestyle of >> living life, raising their children, and making appearances if they desired to, to help worthy causes.
I think Harry has issues, dysfunction, and baggage, all related to being "the spare" and losing his Mother. Meghan hasn't done anything but drag him down the path of petulant, narcissist, keep my-our names in the spotlight.
I truly believe, if Harry was still single or had a different significant other, his life and lifestyle would be completely different.
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Post by sideways on Oct 29, 2022 15:28:54 GMT
As always. I’m amazed at all the peas who have inside information on Harry’s and Meghan’s feelings, thoughts, actions, life, etc.
There’s no sufficient eyeroll emoji.
Que the peas who think *I’m* the one obsessed.
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Post by RosieKat on Oct 29, 2022 16:03:31 GMT
I consider myself a superficial royal watcher. I know who the major players are and read the headlines, but that's generally about it.
So, from that casual level of observation, Harry's life has come across like this to me: 1 - second brother so minor player 2 - mother is killed, he is young, tons to cope with 3 - makes some stupid choices as a young man 4 - gets his life largely together, matures immensely, grows into an honorable adult trying to do the right thing 5 - becomes closer to his brother, does some truly good things with Invictus, mental health awareness, etc. 6 - meets Meghan, seems to "crumple" and lose so much of his strength and the driving force for the great changes he's made in his life - separates himself from his family ties in many ways
So, again as an admittedly highlight reel watching person, it comes across as a person who matured and overcame a lot of challenges to make some great changes in the world, only to just toss it all away. Now, whether it was because of Meghan or just where he was in his life personally and it coincided with her arriving in his life, we'll never know. Was it cause, effect, or neither? But it is human nature to see that he made changes that I don't think seem good (not that it matters what I think) and that those came at the same time as Meghan did, so I "blame" her. And I think that's why a lot of people take issue with her.
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 29, 2022 19:07:42 GMT
If they truly wanted privacy, they would have settled on the outskirts of a small town, and lived a semi-private lifestyle of >> living life, raising their children, and making appearances if they desired to, to help worthy causes. Isn't this what they are doing?
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Post by dewryce on Oct 29, 2022 19:22:04 GMT
You make some good points. I think many of us just assume Megan is the driving force behind this because Harry seemed at least content with his life prior to marrying her and because she seems to have a very strong personality. From what the British peas say, Megan was being accepted. Although inside the RF, that may not have been the case, you are correct. I still think they moved away too soon. If they stayed and gave it a try, people might back off a bit saying at least they attempted. But I'm not inside their marriage and it isn't for me to say what should have happened. Nor is it for any of us, really. I'm just really sad about the brothers. I think to this point, we don't know if that's true or not. Harry has been very open about his mental health struggles even before knowing Meghan. He was doing what was expected of him because he was required to, not necessarily because he was content. I would further ask - is being content enough? Maybe for some it is, but isn't being happy really the goal? I also think it’s possible she/their relationship gives him the confidence and the strength to stand up for what he wants and what he thinks is right.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 29, 2022 19:23:46 GMT
If they truly wanted privacy, they would have settled on the outskirts of a small town, and lived a semi-private lifestyle of >> living life, raising their children, and making appearances if they desired to, to help worthy causes. Isn't this what they are doing? Yea, trash talking the Royal family on Oprah, making deals for tell alls with Netflix, and releasing a sensationalized book right after the Queen dies definitely qualifies as settling down and living privately 🙄
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Post by pjaye on Oct 30, 2022 11:43:53 GMT
Que the peas who think *I’m* the one obsessed. Firstly "que" = not an English word. A Spanish word that means "what?" You mean cue, and seeing as you are so predictable and you love to use it because you think it'll stop people responding to you...then you might as well start getting it right. Repeatedly posting on the same threads to deliver your same one line little pissy handslap while whining that "I'm not obsessed"...just proves that indeed you *are* Here's a clue, if a topic doesn't interest you or you have nothing to add (and apart from constantly calling people fucking idiots, you never have anything of any value to add to any topic) then don't open them. It's very clear that this topic causes you much anxiety, so 'spare' yourself and just don't read it - I'm sure Harry wouldn't want your mental health affected on his behalf...he's already suffered so much.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Oct 30, 2022 13:07:58 GMT
The translation of the book cover in different languages. http://instagram.com/p/CkUmbLYufur Geez some of them are worse than “Spare”! (I’m looking at Brazil - what’s leftover?” Yikes)
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Post by pjaye on Oct 30, 2022 13:27:43 GMT
Geez some of them are worse than “Spare”! (I’m looking at Brazil - what’s leftover?” Yikes) In Australian slang (and I think British too) "go spare" can mean someone getting very angry or upset...e.g: "My dad went spare when he found out what I'd done" or "he'd go spare if he lost the money"
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Post by gillyp on Oct 30, 2022 14:47:35 GMT
Geez some of them are worse than “Spare”! (I’m looking at Brazil - what’s leftover?” Yikes) In Australian slang (and I think British too) "go spare" can mean someone getting very angry or upset...e.g: "My dad went spare when he found out what I'd done" or "he'd go spare if he lost the money" Yes, we say that here too.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Oct 30, 2022 15:50:27 GMT
Geez some of them are worse than “Spare”! (I’m looking at Brazil - what’s leftover?” Yikes) In Australian slang (and I think British too) "go spare" can mean someone getting very angry or upset...e.g: "My dad went spare when he found out what I'd done" or "he'd go spare if he lost the money" I had never heard that! Interesting!!!!
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Post by mom on Oct 30, 2022 17:06:00 GMT
I've been thinking about the release date. Why didn't they try and get the Christmas market for books? Seems like Jan 10 is a bit late?
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Post by gillyp on Oct 30, 2022 17:28:58 GMT
I've been thinking about the release date. Why didn't they try and get the Christmas market for books? Seems like Jan 10 is a bit late? I wondered that too. Maybe it’s because book sales are quieter after Christmas and they wanted to start the year off on a high and with controversy? Maybe to catch all those with book tokens for Christmas? To avoid being overshadowed by someone else’s Christmas book? To tie in with a podcast or tv programme?
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Post by sideways on Oct 30, 2022 17:30:31 GMT
Que the peas who think *I’m* the one obsessed. Firstly "que" = not an English word. A Spanish word that means "what?" You mean cue, and seeing as you are so predictable and you love to use it because you think it'll stop people responding to you...then you might as well start getting it right. Repeatedly posting on the same threads to deliver your same one line little pissy handslap while whining that "I'm not obsessed"...just proves that indeed you *are* Here's a clue, if a topic doesn't interest you or you have nothing to add (and apart from constantly calling people fucking idiots, you never have anything of any value to add to any topic) then don't open them. It's very clear that this topic causes you much anxiety, so 'spare' yourself and just don't read it - I'm sure Harry wouldn't want your mental health affected on his behalf...he's already suffered so much. Setting my watch. Thanks! 😂🤣😂🤣😂 Bless your cold black heart.
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Post by mom on Oct 30, 2022 17:31:26 GMT
I've been thinking about the release date. Why didn't they try and get the Christmas market for books? Seems like Jan 10 is a bit late? I wondered that too. Maybe it’s because book sales are quieter after Christmas and they wanted to start the year off on a high and with controversy? Maybe to catch all those with book tokens for Christmas? To avoid being overshadowed by someone else’s Christmas book? To tie in with a podcast or tv programme? That all makes sense. Thank you!
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Post by Bridget in MD on Oct 30, 2022 17:53:00 GMT
I've been thinking about the release date. Why didn't they try and get the Christmas market for books? Seems like Jan 10 is a bit late? I wondered that too. Maybe it’s because book sales are quieter after Christmas and they wanted to start the year off on a high and with controversy? Maybe to catch all those with book tokens for Christmas? To avoid being overshadowed by someone else’s Christmas book? To tie in with a podcast or tv programme? ya, i was thinking maybe everyone getting gift cards and stuff would use it to buy the book?
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Post by Gennifer on Oct 30, 2022 18:14:03 GMT
It just goes so much further than simple hand holding, though. There are lots of people online who discuss their body language. See if you can find anyone talking about how grabby (sorry, but I really don't know how else to describe it) Meghan was while sitting next to Harry at the Invectus Games recently. Seriously. She grabbed his hand, he pulled it away, she then grabbed it again and placed it on her thigh and held it there with both hands all while smiling away. Oh FFS.
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