Tuttle
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Jun 26, 2014 0:50:39 GMT
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Post by Tuttle on Jan 11, 2023 21:29:29 GMT
I’m listening to the audio book and so far (into Part II) imo it reads to me as someone who is working through a lot of trauma and maladaptive/insufficient coping mechanisms. Also, imo, the British media/tabloids definitely come off as the villain throughout the portion I’ve heard and rather than the family. Yes, they are flawed human beings but Harry expresses fondness for most, if not all, of them.
Eta some interesting tidbits: -A paper’s hypocritical headline demand that Queen Elizabeth “Show Us You Care” (something to that effect) after Diana’s death -Prince Phillip talking about his eventual death to Harry, saying that “You need to know when it’s time to go” -His (age-appropriate) denial of his mother’s death was gutting. His trip through the Paris tunnel was heartbreaking. -Harry’s attempt at an American accent made me lol. Good try, mate
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bethany102399
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Oct 11, 2014 3:17:29 GMT
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Post by bethany102399 on Jan 24, 2023 16:13:37 GMT
Ok, so I put this on hold at the library thinking it would be months, much to my surprise it came up pretty quickly.
It was a fast read, and honestly I enjoyed it. He was obviously deeply traumatized by his mothers death, and speaks openly about his grief and how he finally was able to get help and keep it from controlling his life. I hate saying move past it, you never move past the death of a parent, and certainly not when you loose one as young as he did. But it appears he has been able to at least process it, get help and build a life with his family.
There was a comment a therapist made to him about having an addiction to being angry at the press. I thought this really hit home. Yes, he's got a right to be angry, yes the press (to him) are a constant threat, but I can't help but feel like the constant consuming of it is partially what's driving his extreme anger.
While I've never cared one whit about Megan, I do have deep respect for how she reacted (or how he says she reacted) when he lost his temper with her. According to him, she flat out said nope, you're not going to speak to me this way. Try again with treatment.
Lastly, I agree with those saying if he wants to reengage with his family then step back from the public eye. Go work with Archwell and other organizations that are close to you. Live quietly. Don't keep burning it all down then wonder why there's no bridge. He puts a lot of blame on the royal staff, which may or may not be true. I've certainly worked with people who feel personal vendetta's are acceptable in the workplace and have been rewarded for carrying them out. But I also believe there are 3 sides to every story, His, the Palace's and the truth.
A good Library read.
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Mystie
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Jun 25, 2014 19:53:37 GMT
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Post by Mystie on Jan 24, 2023 23:21:12 GMT
Does anybody else think that the cover headshot of Harry is reminiscent of some of the portraits of Henry VIII? Particularly the Holbein portrait. I guess it's the red hair, beard, and truculent look. 😄 I wonder if that was a deliberate allusion.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 25, 2023 0:26:27 GMT
I wonder if that was a deliberate allusion It would be an interesting choice if it is because Harry isn't a descendant of Henry VIII.
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Mystie
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Jun 25, 2014 19:53:37 GMT
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Post by Mystie on Jan 25, 2023 5:15:55 GMT
I wonder if that was a deliberate allusion It would be an interesting choice if it is because Harry isn't a descendant of Henry VIII. Yep, I knew that, but it really struck me that there's a similarity there in the look and the pose. I'm probably way over-thinking it.
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Post by gar on Jan 25, 2023 8:37:54 GMT
I think I see what you mean...I do think it's the beard
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joelise
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Jul 1, 2014 6:33:14 GMT
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Post by joelise on Jan 25, 2023 11:27:46 GMT
I’m in the middle of reading Revenge by Tom Bower. It’s about Megan’s life from when she was born. It’s a very interesting read with quotes from her school friends, family and work colleagues.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 25, 2023 12:03:33 GMT
Is it impartial joelise, or for her or against her?!
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Post by gar on Jan 25, 2023 13:27:46 GMT
I’m in the middle of reading Revenge by Tom Bower. It’s about Megan’s life from when she was born. It’s a very interesting read with quotes from her school friends, family and work colleagues. I nearly picked that up in Sainsbury's on Monday. Are you enjoying it?
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joelise
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Post by joelise on Jan 25, 2023 14:13:22 GMT
I’m in the middle of reading Revenge by Tom Bower. It’s about Megan’s life from when she was born. It’s a very interesting read with quotes from her school friends, family and work colleagues. I nearly picked that up in Sainsbury's on Monday. Are you enjoying it? Yes! I started it yesterday and I’m more than half way through! I believe it is factual and I feel it explains a lot. People are quoted and named so I’m reading it as the truth.
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joelise
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Post by joelise on Jan 25, 2023 14:19:19 GMT
Is it impartial joelise , or for her or against her?! I don’t know how to paste what I just replied to gar so I’ll repeat myself. It is biased against her but I believe it is the truth. It isn’t nasty, it’s very factual. People are actually named and quoted. It’s very interesting to see that her plan to return to LA started before Archie was born. I would recommend it. It starts at her birth, her dad spoiled her so much in her childhood and her mum was always high on weed, and I’ve just got to Covid times! I’m giving myself a break now as I don’t want it to be finished too soon! ETA I don’t mean biased, I used the wrong word. It doesn’t show her in a particularly good light.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 25, 2023 14:42:04 GMT
Thanks joelise, you have piqued my interest. I tootled across to Amazon and the Kindle edition is the price of a glossy magazine so it will be my bedtime reading for a while. The reviews are very interesting gar, including the international ones!
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Post by gar on Jan 25, 2023 14:53:08 GMT
Thanks joelise, you have piqued my interest. I tootled across to Amazon and the Kindle edition is the price of a glossy magazine so it will be my bedtime reading for a while. The reviews are very interesting gar, including the international ones! Ooh, I might give it a go too then 😊 Will have a look at the reviews too 😊
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Jan 25, 2023 14:55:26 GMT
Is it impartial joelise , or for her or against her?! I don’t know how to paste what I just replied to gar so I’ll repeat myself. It is biased against her but I believe it is the truth. It isn’t nasty, it’s very factual. People are actually named and quoted. It’s very interesting to see that her plan to return to LA started before Archie was born. I would recommend it. It starts at her birth, her dad spoiled her so much in her childhood and her mum was always high on weed, and I’ve just got to Covid times! I’m giving myself a break now as I don’t want it to be finished too soon! ETA I don’t mean biased, I used the wrong word. It doesn’t show her in a particularly good light. 🙄 So Harry’s first person accounting of events isn’t considered “truth” but a book that has quotes with named people is “truth”. Got it!
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Post by gillyp on Jan 25, 2023 14:58:34 GMT
I don’t know how to paste what I just replied to gar so I’ll repeat myself. It is biased against her but I believe it is the truth. It isn’t nasty, it’s very factual. People are actually named and quoted. It’s very interesting to see that her plan to return to LA started before Archie was born. I would recommend it. It starts at her birth, her dad spoiled her so much in her childhood and her mum was always high on weed, and I’ve just got to Covid times! I’m giving myself a break now as I don’t want it to be finished too soon! ETA I don’t mean biased, I used the wrong word. It doesn’t show her in a particularly good light. 🙄 So Harry’s first person accounting of events isn’t considered “truth” but a book that has quotes with named people is “truth”. Got it! Harry has admitted his book is based on his memories which might not be actual facts. "As he described a trip to the late Queen's Scottish estate Balmoral in 1997, Harry said he could recall "landscape, geography, architecture" in "crisp detail" - but struggled with "dates and dialogue." He explained: "Whatever the cause, my memory is my memory, it does what it does, gathers and curates as it sees fit, and there's just as much truth in what I remember and how I remember it as there is in so-called objective facts." The Duke elsewhere suggested his memory "had been spotty" after his mother Princess Diana's death, adding he could be "misremembering my own struggles with memory from back then" I believe he said this in a televised interview with Anderson Cooper. But I might be misremembering.
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joelise
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Post by joelise on Jan 25, 2023 15:16:49 GMT
I don’t know how to paste what I just replied to gar so I’ll repeat myself. It is biased against her but I believe it is the truth. It isn’t nasty, it’s very factual. People are actually named and quoted. It’s very interesting to see that her plan to return to LA started before Archie was born. I would recommend it. It starts at her birth, her dad spoiled her so much in her childhood and her mum was always high on weed, and I’ve just got to Covid times! I’m giving myself a break now as I don’t want it to be finished too soon! ETA I don’t mean biased, I used the wrong word. It doesn’t show her in a particularly good light. 🙄 So Harry’s first person accounting of events isn’t considered “truth” but a book that has quotes with named people is “truth”. Got it! I have no idea! Not sure why you are having a go at me. I haven’t read Spare. I never said he wasn’t telling the truth, although they do contradict themselves a lot. I am answering questions about my thoughts on the book Revenge. The book has hundreds of citations and I have never heard that Megan is suing the author, I choose to believe that this book is true, but this is only my humble opinion.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 25, 2023 15:48:25 GMT
I choose to believe that this book is true, but this is only my humble opinion. Revenge was published in June last year - and there hasn't been a whiff of a law suit, so I'd say Bower had all his ducks in a row and very good legal advice before it was released.
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Post by mom on Jan 25, 2023 16:25:47 GMT
I choose to believe that this book is true, but this is only my humble opinion. Revenge was published in June last year - and there hasn't been a whiff of a law suit, so I'd say Bower had all his ducks in a row and very good legal advice before it was released. For me, THIS is what makes me think it's the truth. And then couple it with the fact he names names + dates, so I lean towards it being the closest version to the truth. From what I recall, no one has come out contradicting Revenge and they've had more than enough time to do so.
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Post by Tamhugh on Jan 25, 2023 19:09:14 GMT
I haven’t read the book and I am not sure if I will. I have read a lot of comments about it and seen excerpts from his interviews. When it all started and he seemed to not get the sympathy and positive results he seemed to want, he suddenly started saying he didn’t tell the bad stories because he didn’t want to totally crush his family (my paraphrasing there). I immediately thought of the Pea stories where they vent and get piled on and then quickly post that they didn’t tell the WHOLE story or we would totally see their side.
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