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Post by myshelly on Oct 30, 2022 18:32:23 GMT
It just goes so much further than simple hand holding, though. There are lots of people online who discuss their body language. See if you can find anyone talking about how grabby (sorry, but I really don't know how else to describe it) Meghan was while sitting next to Harry at the Invectus Games recently. Seriously. She grabbed his hand, he pulled it away, she then grabbed it again and placed it on her thigh and held it there with both hands all while smiling away. Oh FFS. Have you seen the video though? It’s creepy AF. Meghan The Claw
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Post by CarolinaGirl71 on Oct 30, 2022 21:43:32 GMT
I have to admit I don’t really get the vitriol towards Meghan and Harry (not just here…they seem pretty universally despised). I’m sure I’ll read the book…$47 on Amazon.ca for the hardcover! Having said that, I kinda feel badly for him. He has made some crappy choices, but who hasn’t. I’d imagine living your life publicly while always being referred to as “the spare” would fuck you up a bit. At that price, I'll get on the waiting list at my local library.
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Post by janesays on Oct 30, 2022 21:49:43 GMT
Why are people, in general, upset about all the hand holding between these two during the days after the Queen's death? To me, it is a sign of support during a sad and emotional time. To the Brits, to my understanding, it is seen as very childish in these circumstances. (Correct me if I'm wrong here.) It just goes so much further than simple hand holding, though. There are lots of people online who discuss their body language. See if you can find anyone talking about how grabby (sorry, but I really don't know how else to describe it) Meghan was while sitting next to Harry at the Invectus Games recently. Seriously. She grabbed his hand, he pulled it away, she then grabbed it again and placed it on her thigh and held it there with both hands all while smiling away. I saw this video recently and I was like
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Post by leftturnonly on Oct 30, 2022 21:54:18 GMT
I saw this video recently and I was like Disturbing behavior, no? I'd expect this from a young, insecure, jealous, 2nd wife of a man sitting near his ex-wife at their child's 3rd grade school performance.
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Post by Zee on Oct 30, 2022 21:56:19 GMT
I'm really beginning to enjoy the rise he's getting out of people just for a book. Literally no one has to read it and I couldn't care less what he or Meghan do. Only people that can't stand him keep showing up for the drama day after day, year after year.
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Post by scrappinmama on Oct 30, 2022 22:08:39 GMT
I consider myself a superficial royal watcher. I know who the major players are and read the headlines, but that's generally about it. So, from that casual level of observation, Harry's life has come across like this to me: 1 - second brother so minor player 2 - mother is killed, he is young, tons to cope with 3 - makes some stupid choices as a young man 4 - gets his life largely together, matures immensely, grows into an honorable adult trying to do the right thing 5 - becomes closer to his brother, does some truly good things with Invictus, mental health awareness, etc. 6 - meets Meghan, seems to "crumple" and lose so much of his strength and the driving force for the great changes he's made in his life - separates himself from his family ties in many ways So, again as an admittedly highlight reel watching person, it comes across as a person who matured and overcame a lot of challenges to make some great changes in the world, only to just toss it all away. Now, whether it was because of Meghan or just where he was in his life personally and it coincided with her arriving in his life, we'll never know. Was it cause, effect, or neither? But it is human nature to see that he made changes that I don't think seem good (not that it matters what I think) and that those came at the same time as Meghan did, so I "blame" her. And I think that's why a lot of people take issue with her. This is where I am as well. Just from someone sitting back and observing, I don't think their relationship is as healthy as they want to portray it. She seems clingy and desperate for attention, and he seems lost. If they really wanted privacy, they wouldn't be writing books and sit for interviews with Oprah. On the other hand, I wouldn't put it past someone to say something racist when she entered the family.
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Post by gillyp on Oct 30, 2022 23:26:43 GMT
I saw this video recently and I was like Disturbing behavior, no? I'd expect this from a young, insecure, jealous, 2nd wife of a man sitting near his ex-wife at their child's 3rd grade school performance. Wow. It’s late, there’s nothing on tv and I wanted a distraction so YouTubed Meghan Markle The Claw. Wow. There are some disturbing videos out there. I am actually creeped out by them. I know videos can be edited to show whatever we are expected to see, I know commentary can be edited or made up so it says whatever the maker wants us to hear. But wow.
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Post by pjaye on Oct 30, 2022 23:28:25 GMT
I'm really beginning to enjoy the rise he's getting out of people just for a book Really? You do understand the purpose of books, right? It's for people to read them and talk about them? Famous people write books and they want millions of people to read about them and they also hope to make millions of dollars out of it. So we are doing exactly what celebrities and their ghost writers want us to do. Like Mathew Perry, if he's going to write about taking 70 pills a day and his exploding colon - then people are going to have opinions about it. Talking/speculating about it and it's potential contents is normal when the cover is first released and in no way is that people getting "a rise" I'll keep posting on these threads because I find how he and Meghan are managing their public lives fascinating from a "people watching" point of view. I can't recall any other couple so clueless about their public images nor a couple who try so hard to manipulate their public images and who seem to think they should be immune from any criticism. The thing about Harry and Meghan is that they very deliberately put things out into the public space on a very regular basis - Oprah, interview, Oprah TV show, Harry on a tv talk show, Meghan complaining about every slight she's ever had on her podcast, two recent print interviews, now there's a book. They continue to put their lives out on public display because they want people to read about them. Just like the Kardashians (but they don't sue everyone) I'm also interested in how the Royal family are going to react and if that is going to change now that the Queen has died. It's a big old family drama of their own making and as long as they continue to deliberately play it out in PUBLIC via books etc then I'll be here to talk about it. I've read a bunch of other celebrity biographies and if you want to start threads about those, I'll happily discuss them too.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 30, 2022 23:35:20 GMT
I'm really beginning to enjoy the rise he's getting out of people just for a book. Literally no one has to read it and I couldn't care less what he or Meghan do. Only people that can't stand him keep showing up for the drama day after day, year after year. Of course I freaking love the drama. I don’t like sports. BRF in-fighting is my Super Bowl 🤣
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Post by Zee on Oct 30, 2022 23:38:24 GMT
I'm really beginning to enjoy the rise he's getting out of people just for a book. Literally no one has to read it and I couldn't care less what he or Meghan do. Only people that can't stand him keep showing up for the drama day after day, year after year. Of course I freaking love the drama. I don’t like sports. BRF in-fighting is my Super Bowl 🤣 🤣🤣🤣 Fair enough!
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Post by Gennifer on Oct 31, 2022 0:33:50 GMT
Have you seen the video though? It’s creepy AF. Meghan The Claw Lol no. I swear, it’s like none of the peas know what it’s like to be in a happy marriage, where you actually like to touch each other. He took his hand from hers and moved it onto her thigh. Like, maybe it’s warm in the sun and not comfortable to hold hands because they get sweaty.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 31, 2022 1:06:08 GMT
Have you seen the video though? It’s creepy AF. Meghan The Claw Lol no. I swear, it’s like none of the peas know what it’s like to be in a happy marriage, where you actually like to touch each other. He took his hand from hers and moved it onto her thigh. Like, maybe it’s warm in the sun and not comfortable to hold hands because they get sweaty. People call her The Claw because she does the weird aggressive hand grab thing all the freaking time. She’s so aggressively grabby. I feel like if a man constantly did that to a woman we’d call it abusive.
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Post by pjaye on Oct 31, 2022 1:11:04 GMT
I swear, it’s like none of the peas know what it’s like to be in a happy marriage, where you actually like to touch each other. I am not going to comment on the state of their marriage, I don't know if they are happy or not. Interesting though as long as a comment is positive it's OK to speculate about what they are thinking or feeling, but if it's negative then there's a raft of "FFS" or "YoU DoNT knOw TheM!" Your opinion that their marriage is happy is no more valid than someone else who thinks they are miserable,
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Post by leftturnonly on Oct 31, 2022 1:51:29 GMT
Have you seen the video though? It’s creepy AF. Meghan The Claw Lol no. I swear, it’s like none of the peas know what it’s like to be in a happy marriage, where you actually like to touch each other. He took his hand from hers and moved it onto her thigh. Like, maybe it’s warm in the sun and not comfortable to hold hands because they get sweaty. He did not take his hand from hers and move it onto her thigh, though. It's silly to argue about it. Go see for yourself.
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Post by Rhondito on Oct 31, 2022 1:55:33 GMT
I've been thinking about the release date. Why didn't they try and get the Christmas market for books? Seems like Jan 10 is a bit late? It was initially supposed to be released this fall or before the end of the year, but it was postponed after the Queen's death.
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Post by Gennifer on Oct 31, 2022 2:11:17 GMT
Lol no. I swear, it’s like none of the peas know what it’s like to be in a happy marriage, where you actually like to touch each other. He took his hand from hers and moved it onto her thigh. Like, maybe it’s warm in the sun and not comfortable to hold hands because they get sweaty. He did not take his hand from hers and move it onto her thigh, though. It's silly to argue about it. Go see for yourself. It is silly to argue about it, and I’m not going to. I watched it today, and I know what it shows.
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Post by Gennifer on Oct 31, 2022 2:18:02 GMT
I swear, it’s like none of the peas know what it’s like to be in a happy marriage, where you actually like to touch each other. I am not going to comment on the state of their marriage, I don't know if they are happy or not. Interesting though as long as a comment is positive it's OK to speculate about what they are thinking or feeling, but if it's negative then there's a raft of "FFS" or "YoU DoNT knOw TheM!" Your opinion that their marriage is happy is no more valid than someone else who thinks they are miserable, I’m not commenting on the state of their marriage, but I do admit that I tend to be an optimist and assume people are happy in their marriage. Because, if you aren’t, why would you still be married? Or attending events together? I was more making a statement about how some people see things and assume the worst possible scenario. “He moved his hand and looked away at the same time! Gasp! She’s clearly clingy and he hates being married to her!” They were sitting outside, in the sun, at a sporting event, and he looked in the same direction that everyone else in the crowd was looking. Sure, maybe it means he doesn’t like her. Or maybe something happened in the event they were watching that drew his attention. I love my husband dearly, but sometimes holding hands just isn’t comfortable, particularly outside on a sunny day.
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Post by pjaye on Oct 31, 2022 2:26:14 GMT
I've been thinking about the release date. Why didn't they try and get the Christmas market for books? Seems like Jan 10 is a bit late? It was initially supposed to be released this fall or before the end of the year, but it was postponed after the Queen's death. Michelle Obama's new book is out on Nov 15th and she's doing a big book tour with Gayle & Oprah acting as moderators for the rest of Nov and the first 2 weeks of December. Michelle's book is called "The Light We Carry" and seems to be about very positive topics, which is much more appropriate for Christmas gift giving. Her last book was massive and it's likely this one will be too. I think Harry's publishers know there's no way they will be able to compete with that and her publicity will bury his so they are staying well clear of that release date, and also Gayle & Oprah will be too busy touring with Michelle....even though they both continue to support H&M, in the battle for their attention I think Michelle will always win. So Harry's been pushed off until after Christmas.
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Post by gar on Oct 31, 2022 7:49:24 GMT
I'm really beginning to enjoy the rise he's getting out of people just for a book. Literally no one has to read it and I couldn't care less what he or Meghan do. Only people that can't stand him keep showing up for the drama day after day, year after year. It’s probably easy not to care about something/someone that has no meaning to you personally, no reference to your national identity and doesn’t affect an institution you care about. This isn’t ‘just’ a book any more than the Oprah thing was just an interview. If literally no one read the book then great but obviously that’s not going to happen so there will be repercussions- again.
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Post by Zee on Oct 31, 2022 8:41:29 GMT
I'm really beginning to enjoy the rise he's getting out of people just for a book. Literally no one has to read it and I couldn't care less what he or Meghan do. Only people that can't stand him keep showing up for the drama day after day, year after year. It’s probably easy not to care about something/someone that has no meaning to you personally, no reference to your national identity and doesn’t affect an institution you care about. This isn’t ‘just’ a book any more than the Oprah thing was just an interview. If literally no one read the book then great but obviously that’s not going to happen so there will be repercussions- again. Of course I CAN care, I just don't. I love reading about the British royal family but not to the point I'm analyzing their relationships. I specifically don't care about what Harry and Meghan do. I was pregnant and hormonal when Princess Diana died and I cried so hard. Even today, watching footage of the young princes walking behind her funeral carriage brings me to tears. (I do the same at footage of little JFK Jr saluting his father's coffin, I can't stand when children lose their parents--I blame Disney) I cried tears of joy (don't ask me why) when William and Kate got married and had a healthy baby boy. I bought a Catherine wedding doll 🤣🤣🤣 yes that's ridiculous I know, but it's a beautiful doll and I love miniature things. Anyway... All that to say, I certainly can care about people even when they're not from my country 🙄 But as I said I'm rather enjoying what he's stirred up. 🤭
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Post by Bridget in MD on Oct 31, 2022 12:26:56 GMT
I'm really beginning to enjoy the rise he's getting out of people just for a book Really? You do understand the purpose of books, right? It's for people to read them and talk about them? Famous people write books and they want millions of people to read about them and they also hope to make millions of dollars out of it. So we are doing exactly what celebrities and their ghost writers want us to do. Like Mathew Perry, if he's going to write about taking 70 pills a day and his exploding colon - then people are going to have opinions about it. Talking/speculating about it and it's potential contents is normal when the cover is first released and in no way is that people getting "a rise" I'll keep posting on these threads because I find how he and Meghan are managing their public lives fascinating from a "people watching" point of view. I can't recall any other couple so clueless about their public images nor a couple who try so hard to manipulate their public images and who seem to think they should be immune from any criticism.The thing about Harry and Meghan is that they very deliberately put things out into the public space on a very regular basis - Oprah, interview, Oprah TV show, Harry on a tv talk show, Meghan complaining about every slight she's ever had on her podcast, two recent print interviews, now there's a book. They continue to put their lives out on public display because they want people to read about them. Just like the Kardashians (but they don't sue everyone) I'm also interested in how the Royal family are going to react and if that is going to change now that the Queen has died. It's a big old family drama of their own making and as long as they continue to deliberately play it out in PUBLIC via books etc then I'll be here to talk about it.I've read a bunch of other celebrity biographies and if you want to start threads about those, I'll happily discuss them too. Scoot over on the bench, I am right there with you! I just don't have the as much knowledge or understanding as much as some peas, esp the British peas. I am interested/fascinated by the Kardashians too, so if anyone wants to discuss, LMK. LOL Of course I freaking love the drama. I don’t like sports. BRF in-fighting is my Super Bowl 🤣 LOL!!!!! Same! ETA: Now, do I wish he had just gone off and lived a happy life? yes. but they keep coming back and inserting themselves into the conversation, so I feel it is fair game to discuss.
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Post by gillyp on Oct 31, 2022 12:50:16 GMT
ETA: Now, do I wish he had just gone off and lived a happy life? yes. but they keep coming back and inserting themselves into the conversation, so I feel it is fair game to discuss. It IS fair game to discuss and we RF loving Brits will happily discuss it with you. We might jump from a great height when you are way off beam though.
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Post by leftturnonly on Oct 31, 2022 21:33:08 GMT
I was more making a statement about how some people see things and assume the worst possible scenario. “He moved his hand and looked away at the same time! Gasp! She’s clearly clingy and he hates being married to her!” They were sitting outside, in the sun, at a sporting event, and he looked in the same direction that everyone else in the crowd was looking. Sure, maybe it means he doesn’t like her. Or maybe something happened in the event they were watching that drew his attention. Because I have 5 seconds and saw this... Maybe we're talking about different videos. IDK, so let's just say that we are, OK? What you are describing here is 100% not what I saw nor what I commented on. (They weren't even outside, so the probability here is pretty much in my favor.) The only thing that matters here is that there are patterns of controlling behavior in public that have been captured by quite a lot of people on their phones that makes people, myself included, wonder. What you described is normal behavior. What I'm talking about isn't normal, it's controlling behavior. Like gar said, I don't have the interest in the royal family that she and other subjects have. News about this couple isn't something that I follow normally, but this video did come up because it was just before the Queen died and popped up when I was watching her funeral/mourning. Once you watch something, other similar videos tend to pop up, often ones with commentary. Apparently, the video I watched is typical and I find that very sad for Harry if true.
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Post by bluebird71 on Nov 9, 2022 18:50:57 GMT
And I am disturbed that so many people on this thread seem ok with the overtly racist things said about Meghan in the British press, not once but many times. Like when they started dating and the Daily Mail published a story that said "Harry's new girl is (almost) straight outta Compton" and "Gang-scarred home of her mother revealed - so will he be dropping by for tea?" For those not from the US, Straight Outta Compton is an album from rap group NWA. And that was just the beginning. Huh. So "straight outta Compton" is a massive racist insult? You might want to clue both Meghan and Serena Willimas in on this because they discussed it in her podcast, and Meghan pointed out to Serena that she is the one "outta Compton": So Meghan was just "overtly racist" directly to Serena's face during her podcast? I can tell this is going to be news to you. When Black people use the n-word themselves, it is not racist. When white people say that word it IS racist. When Black people release an album called "Straight Outta Compton" is it not racist. When the primarily white British press uses that term to describe a young woman who is nowhere near Compton, then it is racist. Also, there is no such thing as reverse racism, let me just head that off right there. And I don't know anything about you, only that your profile pic is of a white woman. And as a white person it is absolutely racist for me - or any white person - to call out how POC speak about themselves. I am only discussing how the British press acted. I don't even know how this convoluted non logic works.
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Post by christine58 on Jan 8, 2023 17:23:17 GMT
Anyone change their mind about reading this??
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Post by wezee on Jan 9, 2023 4:39:19 GMT
Does anyone else enjoy the subreddit Saint Meghan Markle (our lady of perpetual victimhood)? I have been THOROUGHLY entertained by the threads on this book there. No...I'll have to check it out. I've been calling them The Duke & Duchess of Perpetual Grievances ^ That lol
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 9, 2023 5:11:47 GMT
Well, apparently the royal family isn’t racist per Harry’s interview. They just let that accusation simmer for two years in the media, why? To quote Harry, “Silence is betrayal.” What a gaslighting asshole.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 9, 2023 14:03:07 GMT
Still not interested in reading it. To be honest, with all the leaks I feel like I get the gist.
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Post by scraplette on Jan 9, 2023 14:20:50 GMT
Still not interested in reading it. To be honest, with all the leaks I feel like I get the gist. This site has alone has been more than enough 😀 and I’ve enjoyed it. Nope, not bothering with the book.
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Post by mom on Jan 9, 2023 16:27:25 GMT
Im not reading it and probably wont bother finding the replays of the interviews. I see/read enough about it here and online.
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