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Post by aj2hall on Jan 16, 2023 15:27:26 GMT
Here’s what genuinely bothers me; not about you per se, but in general. Mainstream media and conservative media often have very different stories, and yes, takes. This has concerned me for years, and that is why I read some conservative sources. IMO it is the only way to understand why we are where we are. I understand that many do not have the energy/will to read or watch the other side. I get it. But having two different media universes has led us to here. We are not in a good place. All true but in Cindosha’s case, she is just willfully uniformed. I think Fox is actually reporting on the story, admittedly with their spin. But, it’s available for anyone who wants to be informed. She intentionally chooses to be uninformed.
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Post by purplebee on Jan 16, 2023 16:25:04 GMT
I seriously think that fcindosha is only here for the outrage. Is she an alter for one of the ex-pea rabid rw’s? Who knows. I would love to see her reaction if nobody reacted to her pot-stirring. She ain’t gonna change….and she gets off on the responses she receives.
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Post by cindosha on Jan 16, 2023 16:33:42 GMT
I seriously think that fcindosha is only here for the outrage. Is she an alter for one of the ex-pea rabid rw’s? Who knows. I would love to see her reaction if nobody reacted to her pot-stirring. She ain’t gonna change….and she gets off on the responses she receives. I am only here for the entertainment it provides me.
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Post by casii on Jan 16, 2023 16:34:02 GMT
Here’s what genuinely bothers me; not about you per se, but in general. Mainstream media and conservative media often have very different stories, and yes, takes. This has concerned me for years, and that is why I read some conservative sources. IMO it is the only way to understand why we are where we are. I understand that many do not have the energy/will to read or watch the other side. I get it. But having two different media universes has led us to here. We are not in a good place. If we could reinstate the Fairness Doctrine, it would help towards remedying this problem. It wouldn't fix it because people will still lean towards their confirmation bias like cindosha does, but at least the information would be more balanced and fair.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 16, 2023 17:22:26 GMT
I always thought that was a good idea.
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Post by purplebee on Jan 16, 2023 22:10:45 GMT
I seriously think that fcindosha is only here for the outrage. Is she an alter for one of the ex-pea rabid rw’s? Who knows. I would love to see her reaction if nobody reacted to her pot-stirring. She ain’t gonna change….and she gets off on the responses she receives. I am only here for the entertainment it provides me. Obviously…
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Post by cindosha on Jan 16, 2023 22:12:34 GMT
I always thought that was a good idea. It will never happen. We are too divided. I am enjoying the news about fjb’s classified document debacle!!! With relish!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 16, 2023 23:33:15 GMT
I always thought that was a good idea. It will never happen. We are too divided. I am enjoying the news about fjb’s classified document debacle!!! With relish!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Well as a Democrat I’m not thrilled with the finding of classified documents at President Biden’s residence and an office. But I do appreciate that he and his people aren’t handling it the same way the other guy is. The NARA didn’t have to ask for the documents, the Biden people alerted the NARA when they found them. Let’s recap how the other guy handled this from May 2021 to November 2022. In May of 2021 the NARA asked that the classified documents be returned. Some were but the NARA found the other guy had not returned them all. So after several months of wrangling with the other guy about the unreturned classified documents the FBI visited MAR to collect what was believed to be the remaining classified documents. I say “what is believed to be the remaining documents “ because it’s still not clear if all had been found. Then the other guy started to tell lie after lie. Like he declassified those documents when he was president but there is no record that he did. Then he claimed the FBI planted those documents. But how could he declassify documents the FBI supposedly planted? Then he went on about how the FBI threw documents on the floor and claimed that was how they found them. Which was not true. It was a procedure they follow at all locations when they collect evidence where they take pictures of what they found at the site. Then a Special Counsel was assigned in November 2022 to investigate and that started him off again attacking not only Jack Smith but his wife. While the other guy may have thought these lies and attacks made him look like a real man/or victim all it did was prove two things. 1. The other guy is truly morally bankrupted. 2. That he is not the brightest bulb on the block because he didn’t grasp the lesson from Nixon’s downfall. It wasn’t necessarily the act that did in Nixon but the cover up most certainly did. So while I’m not happy about the finding of unclassified documents by the Biden people I’m just glad President Biden isn’t acting like the asshole trump has been acting like.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 16, 2023 23:42:57 GMT
It will never happen. We are too divided. I am enjoying the news about fjb’s classified document debacle!!! With relish!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Well as a Democrat I’m not thrilled with the finding of classified documents at President Biden’s residence and an office. But I do appreciate that he and his people aren’t handling it the same way the other guy is. The NARA didn’t have to ask for the documents, the Biden people alerted the NARA when they found them. Let’s recap how the other guy handled this from May 2021 to November 2022. In May of 2021 the NARA asked that the classified documents be returned. Some were but the NARA found the other guy had not returned them all. So after several months of wrangling with the other guy about the unreturned classified documents the FBI visited MAR to collect what was believed to be the remaining classified documents. I say “what is believed to be the remaining documents “ because it’s still not clear if all had been found. Then the other guy started to tell lie after lie. Like he declassified those documents when he was president but there is no record that he did. Then he claimed the FBI planted those documents. But how could he declassify documents the FBI supposedly planted? Then he went on about how the FBI threw documents on the floor and claimed that was how they found them. Which was not true. It was a procedure they follow at all locations when they collect evidence where they take pictures of what they found at the site. Then a Special Counsel was assigned in November 2022 to investigate and that started him off again attacking not only Jack Smith but his wife. While the other guy may have thought these lies and attacks made him look like a real man/or victim all it did was prove two things. 1. The other guy is truly morally bankrupted. 2. That he is not the brightest bulb on the block because he didn’t grasp the lesson from Nixon’s downfall. It wasn’t necessarily the act that did in Nixon but the cover up most certainly did. So while I’m not happy about the finding of unclassified documents by the Biden people I’m just glad President Biden isn’t acting like the asshole trump has been acting like. True. That distinction has been lost on the right. That said, it was proper in this instance to have an investigation, even though that circumstances are completely different. I don’t expect conservatives to buy the idea. If Biden is exonerated, they will cry foul, even though it is laughable to compare him to a morally bankrupt grifter like Trump.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 17, 2023 0:05:57 GMT
Well as a Democrat I’m not thrilled with the finding of classified documents at President Biden’s residence and an office. But I do appreciate that he and his people aren’t handling it the same way the other guy is. The NARA didn’t have to ask for the documents, the Biden people alerted the NARA when they found them. Let’s recap how the other guy handled this from May 2021 to November 2022. In May of 2021 the NARA asked that the classified documents be returned. Some were but the NARA found the other guy had not returned them all. So after several months of wrangling with the other guy about the unreturned classified documents the FBI visited MAR to collect what was believed to be the remaining classified documents. I say “what is believed to be the remaining documents “ because it’s still not clear if all had been found. Then the other guy started to tell lie after lie. Like he declassified those documents when he was president but there is no record that he did. Then he claimed the FBI planted those documents. But how could he declassify documents the FBI supposedly planted? Then he went on about how the FBI threw documents on the floor and claimed that was how they found them. Which was not true. It was a procedure they follow at all locations when they collect evidence where they take pictures of what they found at the site. Then a Special Counsel was assigned in November 2022 to investigate and that started him off again attacking not only Jack Smith but his wife. While the other guy may have thought these lies and attacks made him look like a real man/or victim all it did was prove two things. 1. The other guy is truly morally bankrupted. 2. That he is not the brightest bulb on the block because he didn’t grasp the lesson from Nixon’s downfall. It wasn’t necessarily the act that did in Nixon but the cover up most certainly did. So while I’m not happy about the finding of unclassified documents by the Biden people I’m just glad President Biden isn’t acting like the asshole trump has been acting like. True. That distinction has been lost on the right. That said, it was proper in this instance to have an investigation, even though that circumstances are completely different. I don’t expect conservatives to buy the idea. If Biden is exonerated, they will cry foul, even though it is laughable to compare him to a morally bankrupt grifter like Trump. Problem is, according to a story by ABC News, in the past classified documents that either had been found or turned over by individuals who were once in office there was not much was done in the form of an investigation or bringing charges against them. Certainly no Special Counsels were assigned to investigate. The reason there are Special Counsels assigned to each case is because of trump’s actions and trump’s actions alone. If the ABC News story was right. Which means President Biden will end up paying a bigger price then he normally would have if it hadn’t been for trump’s actions.
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Post by cindosha on Jan 17, 2023 0:16:40 GMT
True. That distinction has been lost on the right. That said, it was proper in this instance to have an investigation, even though that circumstances are completely different. I don’t expect conservatives to buy the idea. If Biden is exonerated, they will cry foul, even though it is laughable to compare him to a morally bankrupt grifter like Trump. Problem is, according to a story by ABC News, in the past classified documents that either had been found or turned over by individuals who were once in office there was not much was done in the form of an investigation or bringing charges against them. Certainly no Special Counsels were assigned to investigate. The reason there are Special Counsels assigned to each case is because of trump’s actions and trump’s actions alone. If the ABC News story was right. At least Trumps documents were In a secure locked location with security guards and security cameras. Not in an insecure garage. fjb’s “people” also with withheld the documents they knew they had for months. And right before an election no less. You can try to compare this to Trump but it’s a far worse debacle. My prediction is that neither politician will suffer any consequences for this because fjb got caught too. Well, depending whether or not hunter is found tied to any of the documents. We’ll see I guess.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 17, 2023 0:55:43 GMT
Problem is, according to a story by ABC News, in the past classified documents that either had been found or turned over by individuals who were once in office there was not much was done in the form of an investigation or bringing charges against them. Certainly no Special Counsels were assigned to investigate. The reason there are Special Counsels assigned to each case is because of trump’s actions and trump’s actions alone. If the ABC News story was right. At least Trumps documents were In a secure locked location with security guards and security cameras. Not in an insecure garage. fjb’s “people” also with withheld the documents they knew they had for months. And right before an election no less. You can try to compare this to Trump but it’s a far worse debacle. My prediction is that neither politician will suffer any consequences for this because fjb got caught too. Well, depending whether or not hunter is found tied to any of the documents. We’ll see I guess. Did they have a flashing neon arrow pointing at the boxes in the garage with a sign under the neon flashing arrow that said “classified documents here” ? How would anyone know what were in the boxes of files. Or do think for giggles sake someone just decided to open boxes of files to see what was there? I mean apparently no one opened those boxes for 6 years. Oh wait I know you think Hunter Biden might have rummaged through those boxes. I really feel bad for that guy. I know people who have had drug problems in the past and the fight they have to not go back. So while he’s trying to stay off drugs we have the Republicans using him as a weapon against his father. And you’re ignoring all the lies trump told once it was found out he had classified documents and he refused to return all of them until they came and took them from him. I’m still trying to figure out he could declassify documents he claims the FBI planted. I mean how can one declassify something they don’t know what it is? I know it makes you feel better to make up stuff that makes what your guy did not as bad as it sounds. But seriously common sense says otherwise.
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Post by cindosha on Jan 17, 2023 1:18:37 GMT
At least Trumps documents were In a secure locked location with security guards and security cameras. Not in an insecure garage. fjb’s “people” also with withheld the documents they knew they had for months. And right before an election no less. You can try to compare this to Trump but it’s a far worse debacle. My prediction is that neither politician will suffer any consequences for this because fjb got caught too. Well, depending whether or not hunter is found tied to any of the documents. We’ll see I guess. Did they have a flashing neon arrow pointing at the boxes in the garage with a sign under the neon flashing arrow that said “classified documents here” ? How would anyone know what were in the boxes of files. Or do think for giggles sake someone just decided to open boxes of files to see what was there? I mean apparently no one opened those boxes for 6 years. Oh wait I know you think Hunter Biden might have rummaged through those boxes. I really feel bad for that guy. I know people who have had drug problems in the past and the fight they have to not go back. So while he’s trying to stay off drugs we have the Republicans using him as a weapon against his father. And you’re ignoring all the lies trump told once it was found out he had classified documents and he refused to return all of them until they came and took them from him. I’m still trying to figure out he could declassify documents he claims the FBI planted. I mean how can one declassify something they don’t know what it is? I know it makes you feel better to make up stuff that makes what your guy did not as bad as it sounds. But seriously common sense says otherwise. I’m not sure what you think I made up. Everything I said is on the news. hunter lived at the Delaware house on and off while the docs were stored there. That’s a fact. No one knows (yet) if hunter went through the docs. Even if he didn’t, he had access to them. Hunter is a POS drug addict who doesn’t even acknowledge his love child and asked for his child support to be lowered. That’s bad enough. You can give hunter a pass but I’m not going to. It will all come out soon his ties to china and Ukraine. Common sense also says that you are trying to make it sound like the fjb docs are no big deal. They are a pretty big deal. I know this because the dems are forced to report on it and haven’t been able to cover it up.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 17, 2023 1:23:52 GMT
The documents could have just disappeared. It would have been easy enough since there were only 5/6 at the house. The others were in a locked closet in a locked office in DC.
But no, Biden and his lawyers are honest and reported them to NARA and DOJ.. They did not hide them, keep them, refuse to return them. Nope, notified right away.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 17, 2023 2:07:10 GMT
Did they have a flashing neon arrow pointing at the boxes in the garage with a sign under the neon flashing arrow that said “classified documents here” ? How would anyone know what were in the boxes of files. Or do think for giggles sake someone just decided to open boxes of files to see what was there? I mean apparently no one opened those boxes for 6 years. Oh wait I know you think Hunter Biden might have rummaged through those boxes. I really feel bad for that guy. I know people who have had drug problems in the past and the fight they have to not go back. So while he’s trying to stay off drugs we have the Republicans using him as a weapon against his father. And you’re ignoring all the lies trump told once it was found out he had classified documents and he refused to return all of them until they came and took them from him. I’m still trying to figure out he could declassify documents he claims the FBI planted. I mean how can one declassify something they don’t know what it is? I know it makes you feel better to make up stuff that makes what your guy did not as bad as it sounds. But seriously common sense says otherwise. I’m not sure what you think I made up. Everything I said is on the news. hunter lived at the Delaware house on and off while the docs were stored there. That’s a fact. No one knows (yet) if hunter went through the docs. Even if he didn’t, he had access to them. Hunter is a POS drug addict who doesn’t even acknowledge his love child and asked for his child support to be lowered. That’s bad enough. You can give hunter a pass but I’m not going to. It will all come out soon his ties to china and Ukraine. Common sense also says that you are trying to make it sound like the fjb docs are no big deal. They are a pretty big deal. I know this because the dems are forced to report on it and haven’t been able to cover it up. “Forced to” or because it was the right thing to do? Let me remind you unlike the trump documents that the NARA knew trump took the NARA didn’t have a clue that the Biden documents even existed until the Biden lawyers told them. They could have destroyed them and kept quiet they existed and who would have been the wiser. One of the major things the Republicans of today are lacking is a moral compass, the ability to know right from wrong and act accordingly. So when you say “they had to, couldn’t cover it up, you were perfectly describing the actions of the current crop of Republicans. Ah because you don’t like Hunter Biden he is automatically guilty of everything you are claiming. Never mind the lack of proof. Got it!
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Post by cindosha on Jan 17, 2023 2:49:52 GMT
I’m not sure what you think I made up. Everything I said is on the news. hunter lived at the Delaware house on and off while the docs were stored there. That’s a fact. No one knows (yet) if hunter went through the docs. Even if he didn’t, he had access to them. Hunter is a POS drug addict who doesn’t even acknowledge his love child and asked for his child support to be lowered. That’s bad enough. You can give hunter a pass but I’m not going to. It will all come out soon his ties to china and Ukraine. Common sense also says that you are trying to make it sound like the fjb docs are no big deal. They are a pretty big deal. I know this because the dems are forced to report on it and haven’t been able to cover it up. “Forced to” or because it was the right thing to do? Let me remind you unlike the trump documents that the NARA knew trump took the NARA didn’t have a clue that the Biden documents even existed until the Biden lawyers told them. They could have destroyed them and kept quiet they existed and who would have been the wiser. One of the major things the Republicans of today are lacking is a moral compass, the ability to know right from wrong and act accordingly. So when you say “they had to, couldn’t cover it up, you were perfectly describing the actions of the current crop of Republicans. Ah because you don’t like Hunter Biden he is automatically guilty of everything you are claiming. Never mind the lack of proof. Got it! Forced to. They never do anything because it’s the right thing to do. Why didn’t they give these docs up in October. Or November. Or December. The classified docs including intelligence briefing/memos relating to Ukraine, Iran and the UK. All politicians lack a moral compass. Nope, I was describing the current crop of dems. Nice try though. Are you disputing that Hunter is a drug addict or that he had to be forced to acknowledge his child? Or that he asked for his child support to be lowered?That’s all common knowledge. Lots of news sources have that info.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 17, 2023 3:27:15 GMT
“Forced to” or because it was the right thing to do? Let me remind you unlike the trump documents that the NARA knew trump took the NARA didn’t have a clue that the Biden documents even existed until the Biden lawyers told them. They could have destroyed them and kept quiet they existed and who would have been the wiser. One of the major things the Republicans of today are lacking is a moral compass, the ability to know right from wrong and act accordingly. So when you say “they had to, couldn’t cover it up, you were perfectly describing the actions of the current crop of Republicans. Ah because you don’t like Hunter Biden he is automatically guilty of everything you are claiming. Never mind the lack of proof. Got it! Forced to. They never do anything because it’s the right thing to do. Why didn’t they give these docs up in October. Or November. Or December. The classified docs including intelligence briefing/memos relating to Ukraine, Iran and the UK. All politicians lack a moral compass. Nope, I was describing the current crop of dems. Nice try though. Are you disputing that Hunter is a drug addict or that he had to be forced to acknowledge his child? Or that he asked for his child support to be lowered?That’s all common knowledge. Lots of news sources have that info. Why didn’t they destroy the documents nobody knew they had, that had been sitting around for 6 years? So what if the documents in question included information about Ukraine, Iran, & the UK? Your comment about lacking a moral compass & the Democrats reminded me of a back and forth between Hillary and trump during one of their debates. She called him a puppet. While she was still talking he said loudly “I’m not a puppet” and then as an afterthought said “You’re a puppet”. Meaning his only argument against Hillary’s comment was to claim she was the puppet. Kind of weak. In both cases. There is a belief by some that some of the actions trump took or tried to take made him Putin’s puppet. Especially when it came to NATO. I have no real knowledge of Hunter Biden other then he is a drug addict and he has a laptop that has a chain of custody problem. My comment was that you don’t like Hunter Biden therefore he is automatically guilty of any unnamed crimes that is separate from the stuff you listed above.
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Post by cindosha on Jan 17, 2023 12:55:59 GMT
Forced to. They never do anything because it’s the right thing to do. Why didn’t they give these docs up in October. Or November. Or December. The classified docs including intelligence briefing/memos relating to Ukraine, Iran and the UK. All politicians lack a moral compass. Nope, I was describing the current crop of dems. Nice try though. Are you disputing that Hunter is a drug addict or that he had to be forced to acknowledge his child? Or that he asked for his child support to be lowered?That’s all common knowledge. Lots of news sources have that info. Why didn’t they destroy the documents nobody knew they had, that had been sitting around for 6 years? So what if the documents in question included information about Ukraine, Iran, & the UK? Your comment about lacking a moral compass & the Democrats reminded me of a back and forth between Hillary and trump during one of their debates. She called him a puppet. While she was still talking he said loudly “I’m not a puppet” and then as an afterthought said “You’re a puppet”. Meaning his only argument against Hillary’s comment was to claim she was the puppet. Kind of weak. In both cases. There is a belief by some that some of the actions trump took or tried to take made him Putin’s puppet. Especially when it came to NATO. I have no real knowledge of Hunter Biden other then he is a drug addict and he has a laptop that has a chain of custody problem. My comment was that you don’t like Hunter Biden therefore he is automatically guilty of any unnamed crimes that is separate from the stuff you listed above. My guess about why they didn’t destroy the documents when they found them was because they found them in too many different locations and too many eyes were upon them and they couldn’t destroy them without drawing even more attention. But again, why did it take three months to find out about these documents and why weren’t they revealed at the beginning of November when they were first discovered before the election? We all know the answer to that question. I think we both know that the last thing that Trump would ever be is somebody’s puppet, especially a Russian dictator. What you know about hunter should be enough. But based on your “thorough knowledge” of all things political, I think you know more about him than you let on.
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Post by lindas on Jan 17, 2023 13:52:32 GMT
Forced to. They never do anything because it’s the right thing to do. Why didn’t they give these docs up in October. Or November. Or December. The classified docs including intelligence briefing/memos relating to Ukraine, Iran and the UK. All politicians lack a moral compass. Nope, I was describing the current crop of dems. Nice try though. Are you disputing that Hunter is a drug addict or that he had to be forced to acknowledge his child? Or that he asked for his child support to be lowered?That’s all common knowledge. Lots of news sources have that info. Why didn’t they destroy the documents nobody knew they had, that had been sitting around for 6 years? So what if the documents in question included information about Ukraine, Iran, & the UK? Your comment about lacking a moral compass & the Democrats reminded me of a back and forth between Hillary and trump during one of their debates. She called him a puppet. While she was still talking he said loudly “I’m not a puppet” and then as an afterthought said “You’re a puppet”. Meaning his only argument against Hillary’s comment was to claim she was the puppet. Kind of weak. In both cases. There is a belief by some that some of the actions trump took or tried to take made him Putin’s puppet. Especially when it came to NATO. I have no real knowledge of Hunter Biden other then he is a drug addict and he has a laptop that has a chain of custody problem. My comment was that you don’t like Hunter Biden therefore he is automatically guilty of any unnamed crimes that is separate from the stuff you listed above. I find it unbelievable that you, along with others, think that it would be okay to destroy classified documents simply because no one knew about them being missing. The NARA wouldn’t have known about the Trump docs either if someone hadn’t notified them. I’m pretty sure there’s no statue of limitations on how long you can have classified documents before it’s no big deal. Whether they were taken willfully or ‘inadvertently’ as Biden claims is irrelevant. Classified documents belong to the government and neither should have had them in there possession after leaving office. So you claim to have no real knowledge of Hunter Biden, does that mean you intentionally choose to be uninformed as cindosha was accused of being regarding Santos. That laptop and emails have been verified by The New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, NBC, CBS, MSNBC and a few others.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 17, 2023 14:08:22 GMT
Where have you been? He has jumped through too many hoops to
I, under no circumstances, think it is ok to destroy government documents, which should be preserved according to US laws and regulations. Biden and his people, were they not honorable, could have done that, though. They did not!!! For that we are thankful!!
NARA discovered that documents were missing, because TFG took, what he wrongly thought belonged to him as in souvenirs, which included the note from Obama, the KJU "love" letters. That sent up a red flag to NARA in their search for other missing items.
All in all I think NARA needs to keep better track of ALL documents what ever administration is in office. NO ONE should walk away and keep government documents in their possession. NARA should develope a signed chain of custody of ALL items.
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Post by lindas on Jan 17, 2023 15:02:16 GMT
Where have you been? He has jumped through too many hoops to I, under no circumstances, think it is ok to destroy government documents, which should be preserved according to US laws and regulations. Biden and his people, were they not honorable, could have done that, though. They did not!!! For that we are thankful!! NARA discovered that documents were missing, because TFG took, what he wrongly thought belonged to him as in souvenirs, which included the note from Obama, the KJU "love" letters. That sent up a red flag to NARA in their search for other missing items. All in all I think NARA needs to keep better track of ALL documents what ever administration is in office. NO ONE should walk away and keep government documents in their possession. NARA should develope a signed chain of custody of ALL items. You need to make up your mind. In an earlier post you said “The documents could have just disappeared. It would have been easy enough since there were only 5/6 at the house”.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 17, 2023 15:35:31 GMT
Why didn’t they destroy the documents nobody knew they had, that had been sitting around for 6 years? So what if the documents in question included information about Ukraine, Iran, & the UK? Your comment about lacking a moral compass & the Democrats reminded me of a back and forth between Hillary and trump during one of their debates. She called him a puppet. While she was still talking he said loudly “I’m not a puppet” and then as an afterthought said “You’re a puppet”. Meaning his only argument against Hillary’s comment was to claim she was the puppet. Kind of weak. In both cases. There is a belief by some that some of the actions trump took or tried to take made him Putin’s puppet. Especially when it came to NATO. I have no real knowledge of Hunter Biden other then he is a drug addict and he has a laptop that has a chain of custody problem. My comment was that you don’t like Hunter Biden therefore he is automatically guilty of any unnamed crimes that is separate from the stuff you listed above. My guess about why they didn’t destroy the documents when they found them was because they found them in too many different locations and too many eyes were upon them and they couldn’t destroy them without drawing even more attention. But again, why did it take three months to find out about these documents and why weren’t they revealed at the beginning of November when they were first discovered before the election? We all know the answer to that question. I think we both know that the last thing that Trump would ever be is somebody’s puppet, especially a Russian dictator. What you know about hunter should be enough. But based on your “thorough knowledge” of all things political, I think you know more about him than you let on. You did it again, started my day off with a good laugh. Thank you! Two things. 1. Once again nobody knew about this documents until the Biden people told the NARA. Here let me repeat this part again, nobody knew about the documents until the Biden people told the NARA. Which means that at the time they made the decision to notify the NARA they could have instead decided to destroy them and nobody would have been the wiser. But they didn’t. 2. Nope don’t know much about Hunter Biden.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 17, 2023 15:36:50 GMT
Not going back to search but I think that was a response to a tweet. The documents surely could have disappeared, easily. That did not/does not mean I condone it. I do not!!
We will never know what TFG had/has, for that fact anyone. That needs to be fixed!!
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Post by cindosha on Jan 17, 2023 16:00:44 GMT
My guess about why they didn’t destroy the documents when they found them was because they found them in too many different locations and too many eyes were upon them and they couldn’t destroy them without drawing even more attention. But again, why did it take three months to find out about these documents and why weren’t they revealed at the beginning of November when they were first discovered before the election? We all know the answer to that question. I think we both know that the last thing that Trump would ever be is somebody’s puppet, especially a Russian dictator. What you know about hunter should be enough. But based on your “thorough knowledge” of all things political, I think you know more about him than you let on. You did it again, started my day off with a good laugh. Thank you! Two things. 1. Once again nobody knew about this documents until the Biden people told the NARA. Here let me repeat this part again, nobody knew about the documents until the Biden people told the NARA. Which means that at the time they made the decision to notify the NARA they could have instead decided to destroy them and nobody would have been the wiser. But they didn’t. 2. Nope don’t know much about Hunter Biden. 1. The biden people knew about the documents back at the beginning of november. Before the election We just heard about them at the beginning of january....are you trying to tell me that they weren't withheld? 2. You don't know much about hunter because you don't want to read the news about him or he doesn't matter to you?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2023 16:14:18 GMT
Please stop engaging with the ignorant troll. Like all Magas it will never change its mind or admit they are wrong. The troll never engages anywhere else so stop feeding it
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Post by cindosha on Jan 17, 2023 16:22:07 GMT
Please stop engaging with the ignorant troll. Like all Magas it will never change its mind or admit they are wrong. The troll never engages anywhere else so stop feeding it They are very valid questions... You are however, right about me not changing my mind...but you spelled conservative wrong...
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 17, 2023 17:01:35 GMT
Why didn’t they destroy the documents nobody knew they had, that had been sitting around for 6 years? So what if the documents in question included information about Ukraine, Iran, & the UK? Your comment about lacking a moral compass & the Democrats reminded me of a back and forth between Hillary and trump during one of their debates. She called him a puppet. While she was still talking he said loudly “I’m not a puppet” and then as an afterthought said “You’re a puppet”. Meaning his only argument against Hillary’s comment was to claim she was the puppet. Kind of weak. In both cases. There is a belief by some that some of the actions trump took or tried to take made him Putin’s puppet. Especially when it came to NATO. I have no real knowledge of Hunter Biden other then he is a drug addict and he has a laptop that has a chain of custody problem. My comment was that you don’t like Hunter Biden therefore he is automatically guilty of any unnamed crimes that is separate from the stuff you listed above. I find it unbelievable that you, along with others, think that it would be okay to destroy classified documents simply because no one knew about them being missing. The NARA wouldn’t have known about the Trump docs either if someone hadn’t notified them. I’m pretty sure there’s no statue of limitations on how long you can have classified documents before it’s no big deal. Whether they were taken willfully or ‘inadvertently’ as Biden claims is irrelevant. Classified documents belong to the government and neither should have had them in there possession after leaving office. So you claim to have no real knowledge of Hunter Biden, does that mean you intentionally choose to be uninformed as cindosha was accused of being regarding Santos. That laptop and emails have been verified by The New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, NBC, CBS, MSNBC and a few others. Apparently you don’t grasp what a moral compass means. Or maybe you didn’t read the post where moral compass was brought into the conversation. Maybe if you had you would understand how your rantings above looks a little silly. But here let me fill you in. A couple of posts back I said basically the Biden People did the right thing notifying the NARA when they first discovered the classified documents. They didn’t have to but they did do the right thing. I also said on another thread/post that thanks to trump’s reaction when he was asked to return the documents that the NARA should be the one to pack up files when an individual, who had access to classified documents, leaves office. I believe that was the post that included an ABC News article that gave a rundown of the Presidential Records Act. As far as Hunter Biden’s laptop goes there is a thing called “chain of custody” which is proving that Hunter Biden had care, custody & control of that laptop when all the data was entered. Good luck with that. He is/was a drug addict so who knows had access to that laptop. Which means its questionable how much of the information on that laptop would stand up in court. That is probably why they have only charged him with tax fraud & not completing some application correctly. And wasn’t there one guy who made claims about information on the laptop and he has since been deemed as not creditable? What I’m trying to figure out is why I should know all about Hunter Biden’s personal life? I know about the laptop and he is/was a drug addict. So why should I know or care about all aspects of his personal life? IMO those fixated on his personal life are busybodies. And no I don’t know anything about Santos’s personal life either. What I do know he is a lying newly elected member of the House who is/will be under investigation by a foreign country along with investigations in his home state of New York.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 17, 2023 17:17:49 GMT
You did it again, started my day off with a good laugh. Thank you! Two things. 1. Once again nobody knew about this documents until the Biden people told the NARA. Here let me repeat this part again, nobody knew about the documents until the Biden people told the NARA. Which means that at the time they made the decision to notify the NARA they could have instead decided to destroy them and nobody would have been the wiser. But they didn’t. 2. Nope don’t know much about Hunter Biden. 1. The biden people knew about the documents back at the beginning of november. Before the election We just heard about them at the beginning of january....are you trying to tell me that they weren't withheld? 2. You don't know much about hunter because you don't want to read the news about him or he doesn't matter to you? 1. Now you are playing games. Your intent is to make the Biden folks actions when they discovered the documents as bad as the shit show the trump people created when the NARA asked for the documents back. Good luck with that. 2. Read my response above busybody.
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Post by cindosha on Jan 17, 2023 18:00:51 GMT
I find it unbelievable that you, along with others, think that it would be okay to destroy classified documents simply because no one knew about them being missing. The NARA wouldn’t have known about the Trump docs either if someone hadn’t notified them. I’m pretty sure there’s no statue of limitations on how long you can have classified documents before it’s no big deal. Whether they were taken willfully or ‘inadvertently’ as Biden claims is irrelevant. Classified documents belong to the government and neither should have had them in there possession after leaving office. So you claim to have no real knowledge of Hunter Biden, does that mean you intentionally choose to be uninformed as cindosha was accused of being regarding Santos. That laptop and emails have been verified by The New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, NBC, CBS, MSNBC and a few others. Apparently you don’t grasp what a moral compass means. Or maybe you didn’t read the post where moral compass was brought into the conversation. Maybe if you had you would understand how your rantings above looks a little silly. But here let me fill you in. A couple of posts back I said basically the Biden People did the right thing notifying the NARA when they first discovered the classified documents. They didn’t have to but they did do the right thing. I also said on another thread/post that thanks to trump’s reaction when he was asked to return the documents that the NARA should be the one to pack up files when an individual, who had access to classified documents, leaves office. I believe that was the post that included an ABC News article that gave a rundown of the Presidential Records Act. As far as Hunter Biden’s laptop goes there is a thing called “chain of custody” which is proving that Hunter Biden had care, custody & control of that laptop when all the data was entered. Good luck with that. He is/was a drug addict so who knows had access to that laptop. Which means its questionable how much of the information on that laptop would stand up in court. That is probably why they have only charged him with tax fraud & not completing some application correctly. And wasn’t there one guy who made claims about information on the laptop and he has since been deemed as not creditable? What I’m trying to figure out is why I should know all about Hunter Biden’s personal life? I know about the laptop and he is/was a drug addict. So why should I know or care about all aspects of his personal life? IMO those fixated on his personal life are busybodies. And no I don’t know anything about Santos’s personal life either. What I do know he is a lying newly elected member of the House who is/will be under investigation by a foreign country along with investigations in his home state of New York. The biden people discovered the classified documents and then said nothing about them until January 2023 and only did so because of a press leak. So they absolutely did NOT do the right thing. That's a fact. IMO the only reason they fessed up was because they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and have only made things worse for themselves. Here's a time line from Time website: Here’s the timeline of eventsNovember 2022
On November 2, Biden’s private attorneys unexpectedly discovered the first collection of about 10 classified documents from the Obama-Biden administration in a locked closet at the Penn Biden Center office in Washington D.C—a think tank that Biden founded. Biden began working at the office occasionally in 2017 after his vice presidency ended.
Following statutory requirements, the documents were voluntarily turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). On November 4, NARA informed the Justice Department (DOJ) about the revelation. Midterm elections, where the Democratic party was favored to lose its Congressional majority, took place a few days later on November 8.
On November 9, the FBI began an inquiry into whether any laws were broken and if classified information was mishandled. Several days later on November 14, U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland assigned John Lausch, U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Illinois, to the case to determine if a special counsel was needed.
-Why weren't they turned over until the day AFTER the mid terms? I find that really very telling....December 2022 The following month, Biden’s personal counsel found additional classified documents in the president’s private library attached to his garage during an inspection of his home in Wilmington, Delaware on December 20. The attorneys informed Lausch about the findings and handed the documents over the following day. -Again, why was that kept quiet?January 2023 A few days into the new year, Lausch filled Garland in on the investigation on January 5 and recommended that the DOJ appoint a special counsel, who would extensively investigate and potentially prosecute any wrongdoing. On January 9, CBS News was the first to report on November’s discovery of classified documents, bringing the case to public attention. The White House then publicly confirmed the inquiry, saying that the administration was cooperating with the DOJ and NARA, but didn’t mention the additional classified documents found in December.
-Why did it take 2 months to bring the case to public attention?“The White House is cooperating with the National Archives and the Department of Justice regarding the discovery of what appear to be Obama-Biden Administration records, including a small number of documents with classified markings,” White House lawyer Richard Sauber said in a statement. On January 10 at a news conference from Mexico, Biden said that he was surprised to learn about the classified documents, explaining that his team helped him set up his personal office after his vice presidency ended. The White House asserted that it was an oversight and that Biden’s team acted immediately to hand over all classified documents upon their discovery. During another inspection of Biden’s home on January 11, his personal counsel found one more classified document stored in a room adjacent to the garage. The lawyers informed the DOJ about the latest uncovering the next day, on January 12. These documents were in addition to the ones found there in December. That afternoon, Garland announced the appointment of Robert Hur, a Trump-era U.S. attorney for the district of Maryland, as special counsel. “The extraordinary circumstances here require the appointment of a special counsel for this matter,” Garland said at the briefing, also mentioning the second batch of classified documents obtained in December. Later that day, Biden’s team found an additional five classified documents at his home in Wilmington. The White House shared this discovery on January 14. “The President directed his personal attorneys to be forthcoming and fully cooperative,” Bob Bauer, the president’s personal attorney, said in a statement to the press on Saturday. “The President’s personal attorneys have attempted to balance the importance of public transparency where appropriate with the established norms and limitations necessary to protect the investigation’s integrity.” -Are we supposed to commend fjb for that?So you are picking and choosing what you want to know about hunter. Hmmmm....interesting!! I find it incredible that the left thinks only "MAGA republicans" are immoral, liars and cheats. So if someone makes a statement about a democrat being a liar and a cheat, its immediately responded with "well, republicans have no moral compass". The left is NEVER going to change the mind of the right and the right is never going to change the minds of the left. Not everyone who has a different opinion from you (general you) is an uninformed idiot or piece of shit. It is a different opinion of a story. Not everyone is going to watch or read the same news stories. That doesn't mean that the news source you (general you) is wrong or stupid or not worthy of watching or reading. Like I said before, the left is going to watch/read left leaning and the right is going to do the same. We all think the opposite news source is biased. Because they are, depending on who/what you follow. They all are biased. I don't fully trust any of them.
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Post by cindosha on Jan 17, 2023 18:02:00 GMT
1. The biden people knew about the documents back at the beginning of november. Before the election We just heard about them at the beginning of january....are you trying to tell me that they weren't withheld? 2. You don't know much about hunter because you don't want to read the news about him or he doesn't matter to you? 1. Now you are playing games. Your intent is to make the Biden folks actions when they discovered the documents as bad as the shit show the trump people created when the NARA asked for the documents back. Good luck with that. 2. Read my response above busybody. Read mine above...
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