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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 23, 2023 0:41:14 GMT
Ah yes. The story came from Maggie Haberman's book that said it appeared trump flushed paper that apparently had been written by him because it looked like a Sharpie was used. Proof positive. 
Oh well, nothing would surprise me any more, including when they keep finding documents that The Big Guy stashed here, there and everywhere.
There are photos of paper with Trump's handwriting. More than just apparently and looked like. www.axios.com/2022/08/08/trump-toilet-photos-maggie-habermanNot only that, but the reports of all the plumbing problems at the White House during his term suggest that something unusual was going on. Even he himself complained about the toilets and having to flush multiple times, why is that? I don’t think it’s a coincidence. He more or less corroborated that story himself. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 23, 2023 1:06:59 GMT
Not only that, but the reports of all the plumbing problems at the White House during his term suggest that something unusual was going on. Even he himself complained about the toilets and having to flush multiple times, why is that? I don’t think it’s a coincidence. He more or less corroborated that story himself.Priceless response!! He is also telling on himself about taking the documents claiming they were HIS to take.... |
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Post by cindosha on Jan 23, 2023 1:57:58 GMT
Are you referring to the new ones found in his unsecured house yesterday? Lord knows how many more there are and where else they will find them. Hopefully this is the end of them. Why are you all ignoring the fact that these docs were found 6 days before the midterms and no one knew about them until the beginning of January? If this had been something Trump did, withholding them before an election, the SWHTF You really are hung up on the fact the information about these documents were not released until January. That somehow by withholding this information it did something to the midterms. But you are short on specifics. President Biden was not on the ballot. You certainly aren’t going to claim that if the information had been released prior to the midterms that it would have changed the outcome are you? That because presidential documents were found by the the Biden people and immediately turned over to the NARA the voters would “punish” the Democrats by voting for the other guy? Even though none of the Democrats on the ballot had anything to do with the Biden documents? Because if you are suggesting that would have happened then you will go a long way in proving what I have been saying about voters and the choices they make. Not hung up, just laughing at the obvious double standard. It doesn’t matter that fjb wasn’t on the ballot. The midterms had nothing to do with him. It was dem v rep. I certainly believe that some people would have voted differently. You are kidding yourself if you don’t think it would have changed things. But that’s not what happened, is it? Ultimately, the voters never got that chance. It’s interesting that when Trumps docs were found (in one place and locked up) he was a criminal. When fjb’s docs were found and kept hidden for two months, eh, no biggie, nothing to see here, just move along… it speaks volumes. that’s the great thing about this country…voters have choices to make. And everything should be on the table for people to make their informed choices. It really doesn’t matter what you have been saying about voters and the choices they make. Nobody cares what you or I think about others choices. It’s all very personal |
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Post by cindosha on Jan 23, 2023 2:03:49 GMT
It makes no difference whether biden was running or not. It was an important election and the documents were intentionally withheld. IMO they withheld them trying to find a way to not have them exposed and that perhaps would have changed voters choices. Keeping the news of discovering them from the public for two months pretty much cements that theory. IMO biden also kept them hidden so that they would not have to concede that they are no different than Trump regarding the docs. I’m pretty sure that even if Trump would’ve given up the documents right away he would’ve been pursued anyway. The left would have made sure of that because they were still screaming about it until Biden’s docs were finally brought to light. And the article is one persons opinion. And you know as well as I do that there is no “apples to pineapples”. It’s all a bunch of crooked, amoral, unethical elected officials trying to get rich off of the American public and to see how much power they can wield and what disaster they can produce to control and coerce us. Nothing more, nothing less! Interesting that you call all politicians crooks, but I don’t recall you criticizing Trump over his mishandling of documents. Or calling out Santos for his blatant lies or McCarthy for refusing to ask him to resign. Your criticism of politicians is generally very one sided.I'm not certain if the article is from ABC or NPR, but it's a fact that violations of the presidential records act are rarely prosecuted, not an opinion. The act was passed in 1978, after Nixon. There is no precedent of criminal investigations into a former president for the presidential records act. The only precedent is senior officials improperly retaining documents including General Petraeus who illegally retained documents and shared them as well as Sandy Berger and Harold Martin. The records act alone does not contain criminal provisions, it's up to the justice department. Furthermore, if criminal cases are pursued there needs to be intent. Trump already admitted to intent, he claimed the documents were his. In Biden's case, intent would be much more difficult to prove, it appears to be an oversight. abcnews.go.com/Politics/explainer-doj-probes-draw-attention-presidential-records-act/story?id=96417220Violations of the Presidential Records Act are seldom pursued and even more rarely prosecuted, making for little precedent in these matters.abcnews.go.com/US/past-cases-reveal-trumps-legal-exposure-fbi-raid/story?id=88190464And yours isn’t? That’s the funniest thing I’ve read all evening!! |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 23, 2023 2:05:56 GMT
Not hung up, just laughing at the obvious double standard. It doesn’t matter that fjb wasn’t on the ballot. The midterms had nothing to do with him. It was dem v rep. I certainly believe that some people would have voted differently. You are kidding yourself if you don’t think it would have changed things. But that’s not what happened, is it? Ultimately, the voters never got that chance. It’s interesting that when Trumps docs were found (in one place and locked up) he was a criminal. When fjb’s docs were found and kept hidden for two months, eh, no biggie, nothing to see here, just move along… it speaks volumes. that’s the great thing about this country…voters have choices to make. And everything should be on the table for people to make their informed choices. It really doesn’t matter what you have been saying about voters and the choices they make. Nobody cares what you or I think about others choices. It’s all very personal It wasn’t just the fact that he had them that made him a criminal, it’s the fact that when NARA asked for them to be returned (which was required by law) he wouldn’t give them back. That’s the whole difference between the two situations in a nutshell. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 23, 2023 2:12:07 GMT
Interesting that you call all politicians crooks, but I don’t recall you criticizing Trump over his mishandling of documents. Or calling out Santos for his blatant lies or McCarthy for refusing to ask him to resign. Your criticism of politicians is generally very one sided.I'm not certain if the article is from ABC or NPR, but it's a fact that violations of the presidential records act are rarely prosecuted, not an opinion. The act was passed in 1978, after Nixon. There is no precedent of criminal investigations into a former president for the presidential records act. The only precedent is senior officials improperly retaining documents including General Petraeus who illegally retained documents and shared them as well as Sandy Berger and Harold Martin. The records act alone does not contain criminal provisions, it's up to the justice department. Furthermore, if criminal cases are pursued there needs to be intent. Trump already admitted to intent, he claimed the documents were his. In Biden's case, intent would be much more difficult to prove, it appears to be an oversight. abcnews.go.com/Politics/explainer-doj-probes-draw-attention-presidential-records-act/story?id=96417220Violations of the Presidential Records Act are seldom pursued and even more rarely prosecuted, making for little precedent in these matters.abcnews.go.com/US/past-cases-reveal-trumps-legal-exposure-fbi-raid/story?id=88190464And yours isn’t? That’s the funniest thing I’ve read all evening!! I'm not the one calling all politicians crooked but then only criticizing one side. There's no shortage of reasons and opportunities to criticize the current Republican party. I'm willing to call out Democrats if they've done something wrong. Biden mishandled documents, they should not have been there. However, there is a world of differences between Biden's situation and Trump's. For starters, Trump intentionally took them, he claimed they belong to him. And he refused to give them back. Trump also never disclosed that he had them. We only found out when the FBI searched Mar-a -Lago with a search warrant. Trump's documents contained nuclear weapons secrets of our allies. In Biden's case, it appears it was an oversight. Biden voluntarily turned them over. There's no evidence that Biden was aware of them before the discovery. And Biden allowed the FBI to search his home. We don't know what was in the documents found. Biden's administration attempted to follow the rules and do everything by the book, but admittedly made mistakes. If Hunter Biden did something illegal, he should be prosecuted. Can you say the same for the Trump children? Santos should resign and if he refuses, McCarthy should pressure him to resign. Do you agree? If any Democrat lied as extensively as Santos and was under investigation for misuse of campaign funds, I would say the same thing. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 23, 2023 2:39:13 GMT
It’s interesting that when Trumps docs were found (in one place and locked up) he was a criminal. When fjb’s docs were found and kept hidden for two months, eh, no biggie, nothing to see here, just move along…I messed up some of the dates Check this link www.voanews.com/a/timeline-of-the-trump-documents-inquiry-/6734453.htmlI think you are still ignoring the absolute fact that TFG's was notified by NARA, as early as January 2022 May 2021. They negotiated with him and his lawyers. NARA, picked up 15 boxes with what I believe was a subpoena, and received a packet of papers wrapped tightly in tape. A JUDGE signed the search warrant in August of 2022. The FBI served the warrant Aug 8(?) 2022 and searched MAL. Again the only reason the public found out is because your leader ran his mouth and told everybody MAL was raided. It was NOT a raid. What part of that do you not understand? |
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 23, 2023 3:13:12 GMT
It’s interesting that when Trumps docs were found (in one place and locked up) he was a criminal. When fjb’s docs were found and kept hidden for two months, eh, no biggie, nothing to see here, just move along…I think you are still ignoring the absolute fact that TFG's was notified by NARA, as early as January 2022. They negotiated with him and his lawyers. NARA went to MAL in June 2022, with what I believe was a subpoena, and received a packet of papers wrapped tightly in tape. A JUDGE signed the search warrant in August of 2022. The FBI served the warrant Aug 8(?) 2022 and searched MAL. Again the only reason the public found out is because your leader ran his mouth and told everybody MAL was raided. It was NOT a raid. What part of that do you not understand? It was May 2021 when the NARA first asked trump to return two dozen boxes of papers he took to MAR. Here is a timeline.. link |
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 23, 2023 4:17:08 GMT
You really are hung up on the fact the information about these documents were not released until January. That somehow by withholding this information it did something to the midterms. But you are short on specifics. President Biden was not on the ballot. You certainly aren’t going to claim that if the information had been released prior to the midterms that it would have changed the outcome are you? That because presidential documents were found by the the Biden people and immediately turned over to the NARA the voters would “punish” the Democrats by voting for the other guy? Even though none of the Democrats on the ballot had anything to do with the Biden documents? Because if you are suggesting that would have happened then you will go a long way in proving what I have been saying about voters and the choices they make. Not hung up, just laughing at the obvious double standard. It doesn’t matter that fjb wasn’t on the ballot. The midterms had nothing to do with him. It was dem v rep. I certainly believe that some people would have voted differently. You are kidding yourself if you don’t think it would have changed things. But that’s not what happened, is it? Ultimately, the voters never got that chance. It’s interesting that when Trumps docs were found (in one place and locked up) he was a criminal. When fjb’s docs were found and kept hidden for two months, eh, no biggie, nothing to see here, just move along… it speaks volumes. that’s the great thing about this country…voters have choices to make. And everything should be on the table for people to make their informed choices. It really doesn’t matter what you have been saying about voters and the choices they make. Nobody cares what you or I think about others choices. It’s all very personal Let’s see, you are saying “the midterms had nothing to do with him”. And it was “dem v rep” and “some people would have voted differently “. So if the midterms had nothing to do with Joe Biden then why do you keep harping about they should have told the world what the Biden People found on November 2 and turned over to the NARA who picked up was found the next day? Its true it was Democrats vs Republicans in the election and it usually is. Which brings me to my last question, if the midterm elections had nothing to do with Joe Biden and it was Democrats vs Republicans like it usually is why would people want to vote differently if they has known about what the Biden People were finding? What you are implying above is if the voters had known about “the find” prior to the election they might have voted differently. Which means some may have blamed all the Democrats for what was found at Joe Biden’s office, garage and home and as such “punished” them by voting for the other guy. I’m a Democrat living in CA. My representative for the House is Mike Thompson and the junior Senator is Alex Padilla. Both were on the midterm ballot. I was not happy about “the find” and had I known before Election Day why would that influence my vote? Mike Thompson and Alex Padilla had nothing to do with “the find” and both are doing a good job representing my interests and the State of CA. So why in heavens name would I let “the find” influence my vote? I mean how dumb would that be? And if some voters would have been influenced enough by “the find” to take it out on the Democrats then I would say it was a stupid move on their part. At the end of the day and no matter what the individuals thought process was when making their choice all our votes have the ability to affect all our lives either in a positive way or negative way. So regardless of how we voters feel about others criticizing our choices other voters have that right. And the funny thing is when you say nobody cares what others think I find a lot of folks don’t like having their voting choices criticized. Apparently it’s a soft spot for some. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 23, 2023 5:20:44 GMT
It’s interesting that when Trumps docs were found (in one place and locked up) he was a criminal. When fjb’s docs were found and kept hidden for two months, eh, no biggie, nothing to see here, just move along…I think you are still ignoring the absolute fact that TFG's was notified by NARA, as early as January 2022. They negotiated with him and his lawyers. NARA went to MAL in June 2022, with what I believe was a subpoena, and received a packet of papers wrapped tightly in tape. A JUDGE signed the search warrant in August of 2022. The FBI served the warrant Aug 8(?) 2022 and searched MAL. Again the only reason the public found out is because your leader ran his mouth and told everybody MAL was raided. It was NOT a raid. What part of that do you not understand? It was May 2021 when the NARA first asked trump to return two dozen boxes of papers he took to MAR. Here is a timeline.. linkThanks!! So even well before Jan 2022.. I like May 2021 better.. I tried to fix my original but the brain is getting confused... Mm partly because I haven't figured out how to have two windows open... |
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Post by morecowbell on Jan 23, 2023 23:02:33 GMT
Apparently you don’t grasp what a moral compass means. Or maybe you didn’t read the post where moral compass was brought into the conversation. Maybe if you had you would understand how your rantings above looks a little silly. But here let me fill you in. A couple of posts back I said basically the Biden People did the right thing notifying the NARA when they first discovered the classified documents. They didn’t have to but they did do the right thing. I also said on another thread/post that thanks to trump’s reaction when he was asked to return the documents that the NARA should be the one to pack up files when an individual, who had access to classified documents, leaves office. I believe that was the post that included an ABC News article that gave a rundown of the Presidential Records Act. As far as Hunter Biden’s laptop goes there is a thing called “chain of custody” which is proving that Hunter Biden had care, custody & control of that laptop when all the data was entered. Good luck with that. He is/was a drug addict so who knows had access to that laptop. Which means its questionable how much of the information on that laptop would stand up in court. That is probably why they have only charged him with tax fraud & not completing some application correctly. And wasn’t there one guy who made claims about information on the laptop and he has since been deemed as not creditable? What I’m trying to figure out is why I should know all about Hunter Biden’s personal life? I know about the laptop and he is/was a drug addict. So why should I know or care about all aspects of his personal life? IMO those fixated on his personal life are busybodies. And no I don’t know anything about Santos’s personal life either. What I do know he is a lying newly elected member of the House who is/will be under investigation by a foreign country along with investigations in his home state of New York. Are you speaking of Tony Bobulinski, Hunter's business partner, or someone else? |
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 24, 2023 19:12:57 GMT
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Post by morecowbell on Jan 26, 2023 0:40:13 GMT
I find it unbelievable that you, along with others, think that it would be okay to destroy classified documents simply because no one knew about them being missing. The NARA wouldn’t have known about the Trump docs either if someone hadn’t notified them. I’m pretty sure there’s no statue of limitations on how long you can have classified documents before it’s no big deal. Whether they were taken willfully or ‘inadvertently’ as Biden claims is irrelevant. Classified documents belong to the government and neither should have had them in there possession after leaving office. So you claim to have no real knowledge of Hunter Biden, does that mean you intentionally choose to be uninformed as cindosha was accused of being regarding Santos. That laptop and emails have been verified by The New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, NBC, CBS, MSNBC and a few others. Apparently you don’t grasp what a moral compass means. Or maybe you didn’t read the post where moral compass was brought into the conversation. Maybe if you had you would understand how your rantings above looks a little silly. But here let me fill you in. A couple of posts back I said basically the Biden People did the right thing notifying the NARA when they first discovered the classified documents. They didn’t have to but they did do the right thing. I also said on another thread/post that thanks to trump’s reaction when he was asked to return the documents that the NARA should be the one to pack up files when an individual, who had access to classified documents, leaves office. I believe that was the post that included an ABC News article that gave a rundown of the Presidential Records Act. As far as Hunter Biden’s laptop goes there is a thing called “chain of custody” which is proving that Hunter Biden had care, custody & control of that laptop when all the data was entered. Good luck with that. He is/was a drug addict so who knows had access to that laptop. Which means its questionable how much of the information on that laptop would stand up in court. That is probably why they have only charged him with tax fraud & not completing some application correctly. And wasn’t there one guy who made claims about information on the laptop and he has since been deemed as not creditable? What I’m trying to figure out is why I should know all about Hunter Biden’s personal life? I know about the laptop and he is/was a drug addict. So why should I know or care about all aspects of his personal life? IMO those fixated on his personal life are busybodies. And no I don’t know anything about Santos’s personal life either. What I do know he is a lying newly elected member of the House who is/will be under investigation by a foreign country along with investigations in his home state of New York. If you won't say who you're speaking of and back it up, your silence on your purposefully vague claim makes it meaningless. First one I verified, CBS had Computer Forensics Services check out the hard drive. Their analysis of Hunter's laptop data showed no tampering. Politico, Washington Post, New York Times, and other mainstream media has verified and reported there was no tampering. |
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