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Post by katlady on Mar 28, 2023 1:08:17 GMT
The shooter was transgender. The conservatives are going to have a field day with that. On Foxnews.com the headlines reads “A look at the background of 28-year-old trans suspect who opened fire at Christian school”. Already playing to their conservative Christian readership.
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Post by AussieMeg on Mar 28, 2023 1:36:34 GMT
She's SO disgusting. She represents my state (not my district, THANK GOD), and it's horrible. The guy who ran against her last time, and came close to beating her, is planning on running against her again. I remember that, I was glued to the social media waiting for the results to come through. IIRC, he was in front for some time, wasn't he?
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Post by samantha25 on Mar 28, 2023 2:09:01 GMT
She's SO disgusting. She represents my state (not my district, THANK GOD), and it's horrible. The guy who ran against her last time, and came close to beating her, is planning on running against her again. I remember that, I was glued to the social media waiting for the results to come through. IIRC, he was in front for some time, wasn't he? Yes, Adam Frisch was ahead and I was trying to predict the outcome of the percentage of remaining votes and I thought Adam had a chance. The prediction was that Bobo would win by a landslide, but Bobo only won by 546 votes.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2023 2:23:27 GMT
The pastor of the school lost his daughter... One of the young children killed at the Nashville, Tennessee private Christian school shooting on Monday was the daughter of the school's pastor, reported The Daily Beast on Monday. *** "The student, one of six people killed alongside the shooter at the Covenant School, was identified by police as Hallie Scruggs. Her father is Chad Scruggs, Covenant Presbyterian Church’s pastor, the Nashville Presbytery confirmed to CBS News," reported AJ McDougall and Emily Shugerman. "Hallie was the Scruggs family’s youngest child, according to a memorial post by a self-described sister church, Redeemer Presbyterian Church. The post said that Chad Scruggs had graduated from Presbyterian Church in America’s Covenant Theological Seminary with a master of divinity degree in 2007." www.rawstory.com/pastor-covenant-school/#cxrecs_s
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 28, 2023 3:08:09 GMT
Lots of great ideas, just a few excerpts www.nytimes.com/2023/01/24/opinion/gun-death-health.htmlSorry for the long link, but this is a gift article - no paywall www.nytimes.com/2023/01/24/opinion/gun-death-health.html?unlocked_article_code=Lid5sple3OQIRoT6bA5D0yubWi4jG6FJE58j-xkb_ab_Q6ikpnieZDmdf0ALQJr7OC3u5KnPxs8Upqv3C-xytxRmHYz6S-h3ey0dQDn6Bqe-JBQ6DX6EUd1AHhwPf48_lh9fOHEu4K6aOzz0VuPX87xpsRYMYdHWZUgDh50hvMl-ekWUnOvNP00F1Lvn5qnyyHszb3P3wjiHyHtvzi0_XAqu4Tx2O94CJYr4SBrdMxmDCTq03xSsE1Z9Ta4i_PRA6pOY5ez0YN78otgditxQyCM2wbH2873eO2z66wWcrRcDRMYjJq11E2cZLxLoAtz7kgBE_gKu1j-hSA&smid=url-shareHarm reduction for guns would start by acknowledging the blunt reality that we’re not going to eliminate guns any more than we have eliminated vehicles or tobacco, not in a country that already has more guns than people. We are destined to live in a sea of guns. And just as some kids will always sneak cigarettes or people will inevitably drive drunk, some criminals will get firearms — but one lesson learned is that if we can’t eliminate a dangerous product, we can reduce the toll by regulating who gets access to it.
If we want to keep dangerous products from people prone to impulsiveness and poor judgment, one screening tool is obvious: age. We already bar people from buying alcohol or cigarettes before they turn 21, because this saves lives. The same would be true of imposing a minimum age of 21 to buy a firearm, even in private sales.
Cigarette taxes reduced demand for tobacco, especially among young people, so how about gun taxes, particularly for 9-millimeter Glocks and other deadly handguns? There’s some evidence that gun demand is very price sensitive: A 1 percent increase in handgun prices historically reduced demand by 2 to 3 percent. So let’s raise handgun prices to cover some of the externalities that firearms impose on society. The latest shooting was tragically, infuriatingly predictable. So let’s ask politicians not just for lowered flags and moving speeches but also for a better way to honor the dead: an evidence-based slog that saves lives.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2023 9:43:40 GMT
The gun supporters....
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 28, 2023 10:19:21 GMT
This should be so simple. Guns should not be the leading cause of death for children. It’s outrageous.
Most people: Everyone who sells or transfers gun ownership should have to run a background check. This means everyone. Also, every state should have a law stating that firearms be stored locked when not in use.
MAGAs and criminals: NO! How dare you try to take away our freedom?
A lot of guns are stolen; hopefully requiring safe, locked storage would lower the risk of theft. These laws would not be a cure-all, but they would certainly cut the risk of kids being shot while at school.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 28, 2023 11:12:37 GMT
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 28, 2023 11:17:06 GMT
Ugh. People like this have no place in polite society. Their brain dead constituents may have voted them in, but they are nevertheless uncaring ghouls who would rather continue to see kids mowed down rather than inconveniencing their base(s). They are scum, and it’s past time to get personal about it.
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Post by denda on Mar 28, 2023 12:21:38 GMT
I hate to think this but private Christian school and an adult woman who attended the school nearly 20 years ago. Why do you think she targeted the school? What do Christian schools and groups and churches have in common? Sexual abuse. Not excusing her actions but I wouldn't be surprised if something comes out about abuse relating to the school. I only say this because I haven't seen anything about a possible motive. My first two thoughts were abuse or custody/divorce. This is so unfair to say! Sexual abuse is everywhere, not just in church schools. We hear of teachers and coaches being accused all the time of inappropriate conduct with a student. Please don’t try to make excuses for this troubled person. I’m keeping everyone involved with this horrible event in my prayers.
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Post by peasapie on Mar 28, 2023 12:32:03 GMT
Well the Fox watchers have wasted no time in blaming the transgender community.
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Post by dawnnikol on Mar 28, 2023 12:33:20 GMT
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Post by tealpaperowl on Mar 28, 2023 13:38:28 GMT
I just don't understand.. even IF the school had once done something to the shooter.. these children had nothing to do with it! They weren't even alive when she went to that school. So sad.
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Post by scraplette on Mar 28, 2023 13:51:17 GMT
It was on national news reports. I was being mostly facetious, I saw it CNN, but I hardly saw it discussed much on media outside of Colorado. Just seems like there is a new one every week. There were two in DFW last week, outside the buildings, not as newsworthy? 😢🤬
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2023 14:21:36 GMT
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Post by gar on Mar 28, 2023 15:18:27 GMT
I just don't understand.. even IF the school had once done something to the shooter.. these children had nothing to do with it! They weren't even alive when she went to that school. So sad. These weren't the actions of a logical, clear thinking person sadly.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2023 15:32:47 GMT
His comments say it all ..(he has a lot more nonsense to say in the tweets) "We're not gonna fix it," Congressman Burchett said on the steps of the Capitol. Earlier this month Rep. Burchett was one of 26 House Republicans on the Oversight Committee who refused to sign a simple two-sentence statement denouncing white supremacy. www.rawstory.com/were-not-gonna-fix-it-tn-republican-says-congress-can-do-nothing-to-stop-gun-violence-calls-for-christian-revival/He's a fool. There are lots of things they can do. Out law weapons of war!! Background checks Register gun as we register cars License owners as we do drivers Insure guns/owners as we do cars Secure guns.. Require reports when guns are stolen Notice I say nothing about mass removal of guns!!!
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Post by thundergal on Mar 28, 2023 15:48:26 GMT
Dead children are the cost of doing business.
This country is so fucked up.
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Post by Anita on Mar 28, 2023 16:10:35 GMT
Every time I see those lapel pins worn the day after another shooting, it makes me think it's a proud gang symbol for raising the body count.
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Post by mom on Mar 28, 2023 16:29:28 GMT
Lots of great ideas, just a few excerpts www.nytimes.com/2023/01/24/opinion/gun-death-health.htmlSorry for the long link, but this is a gift article - no paywall www.nytimes.com/2023/01/24/opinion/gun-death-health.html?unlocked_article_code=Lid5sple3OQIRoT6bA5D0yubWi4jG6FJE58j-xkb_ab_Q6ikpnieZDmdf0ALQJr7OC3u5KnPxs8Upqv3C-xytxRmHYz6S-h3ey0dQDn6Bqe-JBQ6DX6EUd1AHhwPf48_lh9fOHEu4K6aOzz0VuPX87xpsRYMYdHWZUgDh50hvMl-ekWUnOvNP00F1Lvn5qnyyHszb3P3wjiHyHtvzi0_XAqu4Tx2O94CJYr4SBrdMxmDCTq03xSsE1Z9Ta4i_PRA6pOY5ez0YN78otgditxQyCM2wbH2873eO2z66wWcrRcDRMYjJq11E2cZLxLoAtz7kgBE_gKu1j-hSA&smid=url-shareHarm reduction for guns would start by acknowledging the blunt reality that we’re not going to eliminate guns any more than we have eliminated vehicles or tobacco, not in a country that already has more guns than people. We are destined to live in a sea of guns. And just as some kids will always sneak cigarettes or people will inevitably drive drunk, some criminals will get firearms — but one lesson learned is that if we can’t eliminate a dangerous product, we can reduce the toll by regulating who gets access to it.
If we want to keep dangerous products from people prone to impulsiveness and poor judgment, one screening tool is obvious: age. We already bar people from buying alcohol or cigarettes before they turn 21, because this saves lives. The same would be true of imposing a minimum age of 21 to buy a firearm, even in private sales.
Cigarette taxes reduced demand for tobacco, especially among young people, so how about gun taxes, particularly for 9-millimeter Glocks and other deadly handguns? There’s some evidence that gun demand is very price sensitive: A 1 percent increase in handgun prices historically reduced demand by 2 to 3 percent. So let’s raise handgun prices to cover some of the externalities that firearms impose on society. The latest shooting was tragically, infuriatingly predictable. So let’s ask politicians not just for lowered flags and moving speeches but also for a better way to honor the dead: an evidence-based slog that saves lives.I would support this, 1000%. I think 21 is actually too low of an age. 25 is where I think it should be at. I also think there should be a way to prove you have the ability to safely store your weapon. I don't know how to actually make that work & I know just because you can store it safely doesn't mean you will. Thats probably not realistic though. Guns aren't going anywhere. So instead of trying to pretend like that actually could happen, let's get to putting things in place to help lower the harm. Edited to add: I wrote this post without reading to the end of the thread. I see others have mentioned safely storing guns as a huge problem.
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Post by edie3 on Mar 28, 2023 16:44:12 GMT
Just thoughts and prayers. Yeah, that has worked out so far. Idiot.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2023 16:48:13 GMT
Just thoughts and prayers. Yeah, that has worked out so far. Idiot. Since prayers are not working so well, maybe they should give God a hand in fighting for gun safety laws!!
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Post by monklady123 on Mar 28, 2023 17:38:03 GMT
These news people are just really annoying me at the moment. They keep questioning the response time of the police, as if it's the same as Uvalde. From what everyone is saying it was 13 minutes from the time the first call came in until they got there and were inside the school. The body cam from the police showed one police officer arriving...he jumped out of his car, opened the back of his vehicle and grabbed out his big long gun, and ran in the door after pausing only for a few seconds to talk to other policemen. Inside it showed them clearing rooms one by one until they heard gunfire and then they rushed toward it. The video clearly shows the police who have only a small gun giving way for the long gun guys, and it shows them rushing toward the gunfire. Yet the media keeps saying "was the response fast enough?" and "it was too late for the six victims" as if that's the fault of the police. I think in these situations if a shooter gets in and if there are people visible to the shooter then no matter how fast the response is it may sadly be too late for those victims who were visible to the shooter. I understand that the media is being influenced by the Uvalde response. But really, is this the moment to be aggressively asking this? I'm just annoyed. And I don't care for this reporter, Amara Walker, who is the CNN person in Nashville. The police chief had *just* finished saying that he wasn't sure where the victims were located when they were shot and she asked him the same thing again.
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Post by gar on Mar 28, 2023 17:40:35 GMT
The body cam footage I've just watched is devastating...I'm crying on behalf of those babies, their parents, the teachers.... and those brave officers who seemed to have acted fast and bravely to find the killer.
How can those politicians live themselves and sleep at night for denying at least some basics checks and laws??
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2023 17:43:19 GMT
Basically quiet residential area, low crime.. probably had to travel a bit to get there.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2023 17:44:53 GMT
The body cam footage I've just watched is devastating...I'm crying on behalf of those babies, their parents, the teachers.... and those brave officers who seemed to have acted fast and bravely to find the killer. How can those politicians live themselves and sleep at night for denying at least some basics checks and laws?? Sorry, the NRA pays them not to care. Or they just do not care about children's lives at least after they are born!!!
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Post by belgravia on Mar 28, 2023 17:47:39 GMT
Someone on Reddit said that for republicans, life begins at conception and ends with a school shooting. Sounds about right.
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Post by Merge on Mar 28, 2023 17:48:27 GMT
I hate to think this but private Christian school and an adult woman who attended the school nearly 20 years ago. Why do you think she targeted the school? What do Christian schools and groups and churches have in common? Sexual abuse. Not excusing her actions but I wouldn't be surprised if something comes out about abuse relating to the school. I only say this because I haven't seen anything about a possible motive. My first two thoughts were abuse or custody/divorce. This is so unfair to say! Sexual abuse is everywhere, not just in church schools. We hear of teachers and coaches being accused all the time of inappropriate conduct with a student. Please don’t try to make excuses for this troubled person. I’m keeping everyone involved with this horrible event in my prayers. Sexual abuse can be everywhere, but sadly, the churches that run these schools are often at the forefront of pushing anti-LGBTQ legislation, which means they're condemning LGBTQ youth in their membership, and have a sad history of covering up abuse and encouraging members to do so, saying they'll take care of it internally. We really need good Christians to stand up to church leadership when they say that people in leadership can do no wrong, that they won't get the police involved when there are crimes committed, etc. The very nature of some church communities, where the supposed power of God is be believed to rest in a few highly placed people, makes them a place ripe for abuse.
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Post by samantha25 on Mar 28, 2023 18:18:34 GMT
These news people are just really annoying me at the moment. They keep questioning the response time of the police, as if it's the same as Uvalde. From what everyone is saying it was 13 minutes from the time the first call came in until they got there and were inside the school. The body cam from the police showed one police officer arriving...he jumped out of his car, opened the back of his vehicle and grabbed out his big long gun, and ran in the door after pausing only for a few seconds to talk to other policemen. Inside it showed them clearing rooms one by one until they heard gunfire and then they rushed toward it. The video clearly shows the police who have only a small gun giving way for the long gun guys, and it shows them rushing toward the gunfire. Yet the media keeps saying "was the response fast enough?" and "it was too late for the six victims" as if that's the fault of the police. I think in these situations if a shooter gets in and if there are people visible to the shooter then no matter how fast the response is it may sadly be too late for those victims who were visible to the shooter. I understand that the media is being influenced by the Uvalde response. But really, is this the moment to be aggressively asking this? I'm just annoyed. And I don't care for this reporter, Amara Walker, who is the CNN person in Nashville. The police chief had *just* finished saying that he wasn't sure where the victims were located when they were shot and she asked him the same thing again. And also the comment of "the police saved the day". I don't think that is appropriate either.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 28, 2023 21:11:09 GMT
Reading this opinion from a college student, it occurred to me that maybe when enough millennials and Gen Zers hold political office, we might finally make progress on gun safety and reducing gun violence. They have grown up with school shootings, practiced active shooter drills and sadly, a lot of them have been traumatized by school shootings. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/02/22/school-shooting-college-fate/
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