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Post by bbkeef on Oct 5, 2023 15:45:12 GMT
I don't know how I feel about this story. I realize she's pointing out her generation has it tougher economically, but can't you just be grateful? I'd be angry if I were her parents.
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Post by Merge on Oct 5, 2023 15:50:49 GMT
I think what you're seeing there is the built-up frustration of younger generations constantly being told
-just stop buying avocado toast -your student loans that you needed to get a job that pays a living wage are your fault, and -if your job doesn't pay a living wage, you should have gone to college to get a "real" job -no one wants to work -I had a house and three kids at your age. What's wrong with you? -NIMBY! We're not going to build affordable housing here where we want you to work because it might decrease the property value of the house I bought for pennies in 1972, alter my view, or bring "the poors" into town.
etc. etc.
It's not really about Grandma's gift. It's the economic death by a thousand cuts that the younger generations are experiencing, while those who already got theirs stand by criticizing.
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Post by h2ohdog on Oct 5, 2023 15:51:42 GMT
Don’t ever read Reddit. Many young people feel similar. FWIW I didn’t think my parents knew what was what back in the day, and I am a mid Boomer.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on Oct 5, 2023 15:52:28 GMT
Whether she's right or wrong about that money helping buy a house, she still sounds like an ungrateful brat. Her condescending attitude towards the older generation is what her parents should be upset about. She's representing the stereotypical Gen-Z (millenial? not sure of her age) entitlement attitude very well.
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Post by Merge on Oct 5, 2023 15:54:08 GMT
Alternatively, DO read Reddit to understand what younger generations still working are dealing with. They're paying your social security once you outlive your own contributions. They'll be taking care of you in your old age. They don't have anything close to the financial potential and security that you enjoyed. They face the real and terrible effects of climate change in their lifetimes. They face a neo-fascist future in which they and their children will not enjoy the rights and liberties that we have taken for granted. LISTEN.
Terming them all as entitled brats only proves their point.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 5, 2023 16:00:24 GMT
Whether she's right or wrong about that money helping buy a house, she still sounds like an ungrateful brat. Her condescending attitude towards the older generation is what her parents should be upset about. She's representing the stereotypical Gen-Z (millenial? not sure of her age) entitlement attitude very well. I read this in the article.. I think she's correct and I am a boomer. "Despite being appreciative of the offer of $1,500, Andi emphasizes that it’s not nearly enough to help her buy a house. She cannot help but laugh at the idea." She spent $1000 to fly home. the idea that $1,500 would impact her ability to buy a house is ridiculous.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 5, 2023 16:00:28 GMT
Sigh. It is doubtless true that we boomers do not know how much younger generations pay for everything. I am sympathetic to the cost of housing in particular. And cars,the cost of which has shot up prohibitively. Best thing that we can do, I think, is to stop giving advice unless it is asked for. Of course, that is a good rule for all of us.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 5, 2023 16:04:28 GMT
Ungrateful...
I, of course, know what has happened to the rise of costs, but also the rise in incomes.
I remember working full time making $30 a week. But gas was less then $.25 a gallon (I don't remember when it hit $.25).
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Post by sideways on Oct 5, 2023 16:15:10 GMT
Whether she's right or wrong about that money helping buy a house, she still sounds like an ungrateful brat. Her condescending attitude towards the older generation is what her parents should be upset about. She's representing the stereotypical Gen-Z (millenial? not sure of her age) entitlement attitude very well. “Ungrateful brat?” Seriously? You’re representing the stereotypical boomer “I got mine. Fuck you. Here’s some peanuts while I eat steak” attitude very well. Talk about being condescending.
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 5, 2023 16:18:04 GMT
Look, I am sorry, it is simply true that as a Gen X-er who is mostly around boomers (or older) professionally, many of them have zero sense how much the costs of housing and education in particular have bloated for millennials and gen Z, and have very unrealistic assumptions about what they can hope to afford. Many also are not in touch with the precarity or credentialism of modern employment. A lot of my retiring colleagues got their jobs in their 20s -- now, entry-level jobs in my field generally ask that in addition to having top grades from a top law school, you clerk for a federal judge, do one or more two-year fellowships and/or get a PhD on top of your JD, write and publish before actually having a tenure-track job, and oh, it would be great if you could also get some practice experience relevant to teaching. That's why entry-level candidates now are more often in their mid 30s, and only that age can now even think about something like buying a home. And that is all while we increasingly rely on adjuncts who are paid in circus peanuts and have fewer tenure-track jobs whose wages haven't kept pace with inflation.
Sorry for the rant. But $1500 in a country where "starter homes" in the places where young people can get jobs are $750,000 really isn't making a dent, and she's right.
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Post by scrappinmama on Oct 5, 2023 16:18:38 GMT
I think the parents handled this all wrong. It was their delivery that is the problem, not the amount of money. My parents were poor and I could never dream of getting any type of inheritance from them. Not even $1500. Maybe $1,500 was a lot of money to this woman's grandmother? $1,500 could have been something that her grandmother squirreled away, made sacrifices for so she could leave something for her grandchildren. However, I don't understand why her parents weren't just up front about how much money it was. Were they embarrassed by how little it was? I think the parents handled it all wrong. What they should have done is say "hey grandma left you a little bit of money. She wanted you to use it on something that is meaningful to you." Instead, they lead her to believe that it was a large inheritance.
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Post by sideways on Oct 5, 2023 16:19:28 GMT
Alternatively, DO read Reddit to understand what younger generations still working are dealing with. They're paying your social security once you outlive your own contributions. They'll be taking care of you in your old age. They don't have anything close to the financial potential and security that you enjoyed. They face the real and terrible effects of climate change in their lifetimes. They face a neo-fascist future in which they and their children will not enjoy the rights and liberties that we have taken for granted. LISTEN. Terming them all as entitled brats only proves their point. As usual, you put it perfectly and much more succinctly and politely than my “fuck you” comment. 😁 I’m a Gen X mom to Gen Z kids who are having trouble getting their feet under them in spite of doing all the right things. We help with as much as we are able, but there are some things we just can’t do for them. Anyways, bravo to your comment.
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Post by grammadee on Oct 5, 2023 16:20:51 GMT
Either take the $1500 and save it toward a down payment for a home, or just say thank you to your grandmother and spend that money any way you want to. It is a gift.
Pretty sure that when her grandmother was her age, the minimum wage was less than a dollar an hour and $1500 represented three months take home pay for a degreed professional (or four year's tuition). Maybe that grandmother seems to have alot of money now, but that $1500--if she saved it when she was her granddaughter's age--would have represented a LOT of months scrimping and saving.
Boomers know a LOT about what things cost: food, gasoline, heating fuel, and every other necessity has gone up in price exponentially while pensions have stayed pretty static, and the saved money in the bank is not growing in value to keep up. Homes we worked and saved and borrowed for--thinking that they would provide security in our old age--are now paid for, but are shrinking in value b/c they don't have all the amenities that new homes seem to have.
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Post by Merge on Oct 5, 2023 16:25:47 GMT
Alternatively, DO read Reddit to understand what younger generations still working are dealing with. They're paying your social security once you outlive your own contributions. They'll be taking care of you in your old age. They don't have anything close to the financial potential and security that you enjoyed. They face the real and terrible effects of climate change in their lifetimes. They face a neo-fascist future in which they and their children will not enjoy the rights and liberties that we have taken for granted. LISTEN. Terming them all as entitled brats only proves their point. As usual, you put it perfectly and much more succinctly and politely than my “fuck you” comment. 😁 I’m a Gen X mom to Gen Z kids who are having trouble getting their feet under them in spite of doing all the right things. We help with as much as we are able, but there are some things we just can’t do for them. Anyways, bravo to your comment. Agree. My 22 yo in her first professional job is so disheartened by both the job market and the housing market. It's hard to hear her because nothing she's saying is wrong. All I can do is listen and do whatever I can to get people in office who will make change.
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Post by sideways on Oct 5, 2023 16:25:58 GMT
Look, I am sorry, it is simply true that as a Gen X-er who is mostly around boomers (or older) professionally, many of them have zero sense how much the costs of housing and education in particular have bloated for millennials and gen Z, and have very unrealistic assumptions about what they can hope to afford. Many also are not in touch with the precarity or credentialism of modern employment. A lot of my retiring colleagues got their jobs in their 20s -- now, entry-level jobs in my field generally ask that in addition to having top grades from a top law school, you clerk for a federal judge, do one or more two-year fellowships and/or get a PhD on top of your JD, write and publish before actually having a tenure-track job, and oh, it would be great if you could also get some practice experience relevant to teaching. That's why entry-level candidates now are more often in their mid 30s, and only that age can now even think about something like buying a home. And that is all while we increasingly rely on adjuncts who are paid in circus peanuts and have fewer tenure-track jobs whose wages haven't kept pace with inflation. Sorry for the rant. Yup. My college graduate kid is having trouble getting a job. They had a good major, good GPA, internship, and other typical work experience that a new college grad from a middle class family would have. Yet, they don’t have enough experience for entry-level jobs. When they apply to jobs related to their field that don’t require college degrees, they’re told they’re overqualified. So, yeah…it’s a lot different than it was.
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 5, 2023 16:31:41 GMT
Look, I am sorry, it is simply true that as a Gen X-er who is mostly around boomers (or older) professionally, many of them have zero sense how much the costs of housing and education in particular have bloated for millennials and gen Z, and have very unrealistic assumptions about what they can hope to afford. Many also are not in touch with the precarity or credentialism of modern employment. A lot of my retiring colleagues got their jobs in their 20s -- now, entry-level jobs in my field generally ask that in addition to having top grades from a top law school, you clerk for a federal judge, do one or more two-year fellowships and/or get a PhD on top of your JD, write and publish before actually having a tenure-track job, and oh, it would be great if you could also get some practice experience relevant to teaching. That's why entry-level candidates now are more often in their mid 30s, and only that age can now even think about something like buying a home. And that is all while we increasingly rely on adjuncts who are paid in circus peanuts and have fewer tenure-track jobs whose wages haven't kept pace with inflation. Sorry for the rant. Yup. My college graduate kid is having trouble getting a job. They had a good major, good GPA, internship, and other typical work experience that a new college grad from a middle class family would have. Yet, they don’t have enough experience for entry-level jobs. When they apply to jobs related to their field that don’t require college degrees, they’re told they’re overqualified. So, yeah…it’s a lot different than it was. I was having coffee with a former student who got a "job offer" of this: you can work here unpaid for a year, and at the end of the year, we will consider hiring you into a position. We only hire people who work first unpaid for a year." This was a student with top grades, and I won't name the employer here but it employs a lot of people, and I personally know people my age that worked there straight out of law school in regular paid positions. Things have gotten nutso.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 5, 2023 16:38:50 GMT
Look, I am sorry, it is simply true that as a Gen X-er who is mostly around boomers (or older) professionally, many of them have zero sense how much the costs of housing and education in particular have bloated for millennials and gen Z, and have very unrealistic assumptions about what they can hope to afford. Many also are not in touch with the precarity or credentialism of modern employment. A lot of my retiring colleagues got their jobs in their 20s -- now, entry-level jobs in my field generally ask that in addition to having top grades from a top law school, you clerk for a federal judge, do one or more two-year fellowships and/or get a PhD on top of your JD, write and publish before actually having a tenure-track job, and oh, it would be great if you could also get some practice experience relevant to teaching. That's why entry-level candidates now are more often in their mid 30s, and only that age can now even think about something like buying a home. And that is all while we increasingly rely on adjuncts who are paid in circus peanuts and have fewer tenure-track jobs whose wages haven't kept pace with inflation. Sorry for the rant. Yup. My college graduate kid is having trouble getting a job. They had a good major, good GPA, internship, and other typical work experience that a new college grad from a middle class family would have. Yet, they don’t have enough experience for entry-level jobs. When they apply to jobs related to their field that don’t require college degrees, they’re told they’re overqualified. So, yeah…it’s a lot different than it was. I’m glad that I opened this thread, because I had no idea. If you listen to reports about the job market, it sounds like things are good. It would be tough to work hard, do everything right, and still have trouble finding work. I hope that your kid finds something soon.
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Post by sideways on Oct 5, 2023 16:40:17 GMT
Yup. My college graduate kid is having trouble getting a job. They had a good major, good GPA, internship, and other typical work experience that a new college grad from a middle class family would have. Yet, they don’t have enough experience for entry-level jobs. When they apply to jobs related to their field that don’t require college degrees, they’re told they’re overqualified. So, yeah…it’s a lot different than it was. I was having coffee with a former student who got a "job offer" of this: you can work here unpaid for a year, and at the end of the year, we will consider hiring you into a position. We only hire people who work first unpaid for a year." This was a student with top grades, and I won't name the employer here but it employs a lot of people, and I personally know people my age that worked there straight out of law school in regular paid positions. Things have gotten nutso. Holy crap. That is insane. What’s worse is that there are probably enough people that take them up on it (I don’t fault them. They’re probably desperate for any work with the promise of something.), so it will only encourage the company to continue to do this. With all I’m seeing and hearing about, I’m becoming more of a socialist every day.
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Post by Merge on Oct 5, 2023 16:43:03 GMT
Yup. My college graduate kid is having trouble getting a job. They had a good major, good GPA, internship, and other typical work experience that a new college grad from a middle class family would have. Yet, they don’t have enough experience for entry-level jobs. When they apply to jobs related to their field that don’t require college degrees, they’re told they’re overqualified. So, yeah…it’s a lot different than it was. I’m glad that I opened this thread, because I had no idea. If you listen to reports about the job market, it sounds like things are good. It would be tough to work hard, do everything right, and still have trouble finding work. I hope that your kid finds something soon. My kid got her job because of her dad's professional contacts, plain and simple. Straight up white/affluent privilege. The fact that she's doing well and advancing is all because of her skills, but the fact is that the kids of people who don't have an extensive professional network that can help employ them are often struggling. Even if they can get a job, they often can't afford to live where the job is on what is being paid. So they face low pay and long, expensive commutes. She's talked with co-workers who have student loans and are still living at home with mom and dad because they can't afford rent in our city AND pay their student loans. It seems very hopeless to them.
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Post by sideways on Oct 5, 2023 16:45:24 GMT
Yup. My college graduate kid is having trouble getting a job. They had a good major, good GPA, internship, and other typical work experience that a new college grad from a middle class family would have. Yet, they don’t have enough experience for entry-level jobs. When they apply to jobs related to their field that don’t require college degrees, they’re told they’re overqualified. So, yeah…it’s a lot different than it was. I’m glad that I opened this thread, because I had no idea. If you listen to reports about the job market, it sounds like things are good. It would be tough to work hard, do everything right, and still have trouble finding work. I hope that your kid finds something soon. Thank you. I guess the job market is good for people already moving around in their careers and maybe for blue-collar and unskilled jobs? Certainly not for new college grads from average families. I know my kid’s two roommates got jobs right after graduation, but that was also because they had parents with connections to get them those jobs. We don’t have such connections.
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Post by busy on Oct 5, 2023 16:48:19 GMT
I don't know how I feel about this story. I realize she's pointing out her generation has it tougher economically, but can't you just be grateful? I'd be angry if I were her parents.
story I’m not going to defend her putting it out there publicly but “just be grateful” - come on. The way they presented that amount of money like it’s meaningful when it’s just not in today’s world is insulting. There’s being grateful for a generous gift which this would be without all the other buildup. And then there’s being given something that she’s *told* is supposed to be substantial enough to make a difference in her life and it doesn’t even cover rent for a month. That’s just really out of touch on behalf of her parents.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Oct 5, 2023 16:48:27 GMT
I think expectations come into play as well.
These days, the expectation of starter cars and starter homes are way different, than when I was a young adult.
Many young adults today expect all the bells and whistles and upgrades, right from the start. They want it *all *, and they don't want to sacrifice their daily fancy beverages, going out socially, eating out, the latest and greatest electronics, etc... They don't want dated, lesser quality, hand me downs, to go without, etc...
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Post by busy on Oct 5, 2023 16:49:37 GMT
Alternatively, DO read Reddit to understand what younger generations still working are dealing with. They're paying your social security once you outlive your own contributions. They'll be taking care of you in your old age. They don't have anything close to the financial potential and security that you enjoyed. They face the real and terrible effects of climate change in their lifetimes. They face a neo-fascist future in which they and their children will not enjoy the rights and liberties that we have taken for granted. LISTEN. Terming them all as entitled brats only proves their point. THIS
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Post by sideways on Oct 5, 2023 16:50:36 GMT
I think expectations come into play as well. These days, the expectation of starter cars and starter homes are way different, than when I was a young adult. Many young adults today expect all the bells and whistles and upgrades, right from the start. They want it *all *, and they don't want to sacrifice their daily fancy beverages, going out socially, eating out, the latest and greatest electronics, etc... They don't want dated, lesser quality, hand me downs, to go without, etc... 😳🤦🏼♀️
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Post by sideways on Oct 5, 2023 16:51:24 GMT
I think expectations come into play as well. These days, the expectation of starter cars and starter homes are way different, than when I was a young adult. Many young adults today expect all the bells and whistles and upgrades, right from the start. They want it *all *, and they don't want to sacrifice their daily fancy beverages, going out socially, eating out, the latest and greatest electronics, etc... They don't want dated, lesser quality, hand me downs, to go without, etc... Out of curiosity, how old are you?
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Post by busy on Oct 5, 2023 16:51:25 GMT
Ungrateful... I, of course, know what has happened to the rise of costs, but also the rise in incomes. I remember working full time making $30 a week. But gas was less then $.25 a gallon (I don't remember when it hit $.25). Increases in the prices of housing and education, in particular, have far outstripped increases in wages over the same time period.
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Post by sideways on Oct 5, 2023 16:54:15 GMT
One can really tell who the boomers are in this thread. They’re the ones continuing to prove the point of the girl in the OP.
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Post by MichyM on Oct 5, 2023 16:55:41 GMT
Either take the $1500 and save it toward a down payment for a home, or just say thank you to your grandmother and spend that money any way you want to. It is a gift. Pretty sure that when her grandmother was her age, the minimum wage was less than a dollar an hour and $1500 represented three months take home pay for a degreed professional (or four year's tuition). Maybe that grandmother seems to have alot of money now, but that $1500--if she saved it when she was her granddaughter's age--would have represented a LOT of months scrimping and saving. Boomers know a LOT about what things cost: food, gasoline, heating fuel, and every other necessity has gone up in price exponentially while pensions have stayed pretty static, and the saved money in the bank is not growing in value to keep up. Homes we worked and saved and borrowed for--thinking that they would provide security in our old age--are now paid for, but are shrinking in value b/c they don't have all the amenities that new homes seem to have. Are there any jobs a young person can get these days that includes a pension? I thought they had gone the way of dinosaurs as far a perks/wages/benefits.
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Post by busy on Oct 5, 2023 16:57:06 GMT
I think expectations come into play as well. These days, the expectation of starter cars and starter homes are way different, than when I was a young adult. Many young adults today expect all the bells and whistles and upgrades, right from the start. They want it *all *, and they don't want to sacrifice their daily fancy beverages, going out socially, eating out, the latest and greatest electronics, etc... They don't want dated, lesser quality, hand me downs, to go without, etc... I am flabbergasted.
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Post by Merge on Oct 5, 2023 17:00:02 GMT
I was having coffee with a former student who got a "job offer" of this: you can work here unpaid for a year, and at the end of the year, we will consider hiring you into a position. We only hire people who work first unpaid for a year." This was a student with top grades, and I won't name the employer here but it employs a lot of people, and I personally know people my age that worked there straight out of law school in regular paid positions. Things have gotten nutso. Holy crap. That is insane. What’s worse is that there are probably enough people that take them up on it (I don’t fault them. They’re probably desperate for any work with the promise of something.), so it will only encourage the company to continue to do this. Side point: this has been true for educators for decades. A semester of unpaid labor (i.e., student teaching - you actually pay tuition for class credits for the privilege) and the school/district may hire you for a full time position in which you'll still be expected to a lot of unpaid labor. It's not OK in any sector of the workforce.
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