jayfab
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Post by jayfab on Dec 21, 2014 18:48:53 GMT
Hi, You are right and wrong in a way, he chose to carry a "gun" he chose to " going armed to the terror of the public". While there are rights to bear arms, it's not a right to terrorize the public and those that now and respect gun laws know the diffrence and respect the law. Can you tell the diffrence between a real gun and fake? Rice was pointing and waving a gun.LEO told him to drop the weapon and he chose to raise it at LEO. 12 year Olds can kill. Why did this 12 year old choose to carry around a "gun"? Why did he choose to wave it in a public place? Why did he choose to not follow lawful commands? Why did he choose to raise the "gun" at LEO? ---------------------------------------- Regardless when you willingly break the law and become a dangers, there will consequences. Choose to not break law. People are just fed up about the lack of accountability. I send good wishes to the good leo's and hope they weed out the bad ones, because just as in other jobs/careers, there are bad employees. From watching the video and the hearing lies in the statements the officers made, the Tamir Rice murder was totally preventable. The shooter should not have been allowed to wear the badge. There are a lot more examples other that Tamir, but I am so saddened about the whole situation I should just bow out. I have lost my faith in humanity.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 21, 2014 19:02:03 GMT
Hey, you know, good luck to you. I hope these sorts of open minded and sensitive observations lead to the constructive dialog within the communities you are hoping will change. It's really been working very well so far. Sarahh--sorry to say that you are in that group of close Mindedness. I get your sarcasm. None of these protests have been peaceful. There are protesters turning into criminals doing damage to others, burning shut down, kicking in vehicle windows, and now murdering police. You can stick your head deep into the sand and think that you know that your protests circling these men will make a huge impact even though the facts are that there has been more violence, more criminal activity and more damage since these "fake" peaceful protests began. It is disgusting what these people are doing. So many that speak on the behalf of these incidents are ignorant, defiant, and lift them up to sainthood when they are far from it. It is shameful.
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Post by annabella on Dec 21, 2014 19:08:59 GMT
The President of the country does have to respond to a large section of the country feeling racial unrest. In addition to that he used to be a civil rights attorney and prior to that did a lot of community work. I read his book a long time ago so I'm fuzzy on the details but before he started his career he did a lot of door to door work helping people with their rights (voting, tenants, job training). Of the people he sent to the funeral were: one person who went to high school with Brown's mother and another person who is head of a Presidential initiative to empower young minorities.
I'm not a fan of guns and don't think civilians should have them or kids playing with realistic looking one. However kids have been playing with guns for generations and yet haven't gotten shot by the police. Tamir was tall for his age and wearing a heavy winter coat that might have made him look older, and admittedly he did look crazy just pointing the gun at nobody. The man who called 911 said "it's a kid and PROBABLY not a real gun" but the 911 operator did not relay that to the police officers. After watching the video, the police office drove right up on him and shot in 2 seconds. The officer should have parked a ways back and talked before shooting. Police don't just bum rush hostage situations, they lay back and strategize.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 21, 2014 19:20:00 GMT
The President of the country does have to respond to a large section of the country feeling racial unrest. In addition to that he used to be a civil rights attorney and prior to that did a lot of community work. I read his book a long time ago so I'm fuzzy on the details but before he started his career he did a lot of door to door work helping people with their rights (voting, tenants, job training). Of the people he sent to the funeral were: one person who went to high school with Brown's mother and another person who is head of a Presidential initiative to empower young minorities. I'm not a fan of guns and don't think civilians should have them or kids playing with realistic looking one. However kids have been playing with guns for generations and yet haven't gotten shot by the police. Tamir was tall for his age and wearing a heavy winter coat that might have made him look older, and admittedly he did look crazy just pointing the gun at nobody. The man who called 911 said "it's a kid and PROBABLY not a real gun" but the 911 operator did not relay that to the police officers. After watching the video, the police office drove right up on him and shot in 2 seconds. The officer should have parked a ways back and talked before shooting. Police don't just bum rush hostage situations, they lay back and strategize. Police have only seconds to assess a situation. While it is horrible that Tamar died, when are parents, the community etc going to teach these young men that waving even a fake gun around in public--especially in today's climate-- is not going going to ever end well? When are parents going to teach their children/young men that you obey a police officers commands? When is the parents/community going to say that this "thug life" mentality that these young kids have is messed up and never leads to good? When is personal responsibility going to start in these incidents?
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Post by Sarah*H on Dec 21, 2014 19:21:40 GMT
I will simply reiterate that I hope your words and attitude result in the kinds of changes in these communities which you think are necessary.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 21, 2014 19:43:55 GMT
I will simply reiterate that I hope your words and attitude result in the kinds of changes in these communities which you think are necessary. I have a much healthier REALISTIC attitude than you apparently do! I can see both sides of the issue, I abhor violence, senseless acts of violence and police who are the "bad apples". I can see that the choices made by these men led to their deaths. Should they have died for what you call "petty crimes" ? no. HOWEVER THEIR choices led to their fate. They were not singled out because of their skin color. They weren't "just doing nothing and innocent victims". THEIR actions decided their fate. I am realistic enough too see that until the mentality and culture of how these people act stops being glorified, no real change can take place. The blame game will continue. These protests are all over the place, using the names of criminals/not innocent for their cause and it is getting them no where except for the violence they are breeding. The difference between you and I is that you choose to elevate the criminals to sainthood like status for the sake of something else. You can choose to be dense and obtuse about the whole thing sarahh, but consider yourself as "one of those people" who fail to insist that people start taking responsibility for their actions instead of trying to put the blame on others for the outcome of their actions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 19:49:25 GMT
Very well said.
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Sarah*H
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Post by Sarah*H on Dec 21, 2014 20:18:06 GMT
You have a real skill for summing up the motivations and character of those individuals who have different opinions or perspective than you. Best wishes for a blessed holiday season.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 21, 2014 20:34:14 GMT
You have a real skill for summing up the motivations and character of those individuals who have different opinions or perspective than you. Best wishes for a blessed holiday season. Too funny coming from you! Merry Christmas to you sarahh, hope you don't miss too much of it with your head stuck deep in the sand. And because you are not thinking rationally or realistically, let me sum this up for you---pushing criminals to sainthood, supporting criminal behavior, continuing that mentality is not any "opinion or perspective" they are facts that have been brought forward in these instances. You obviously don't read and/or absorb what others/I have written, that we refuse to condone illegal behavior, criminal activity no matter who does it.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Dec 21, 2014 20:37:06 GMT
saying a petty criminal didn't deserve to die = elevating him to sainthood
Got it.
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Post by christine58 on Dec 21, 2014 20:52:24 GMT
The President is not anti-police but must speak out on moral issues affecting this country. The man that killed the cops in NYC sounded like he had psychiatric issues by his statements. It might not be the popular opinion but actions speak. How many LEO furenals has our current president had people go to representing him? But send some to a criminals furenal, who was trying to kill a police officer. I tell my kids sometimes actions speak louder than words. __________________________________________ The president did, however, send three White House aides on Monday to attend the funeral for Michael Brown, the 18-year-old black male who was fatally shot by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri,"- CNS News So an African American criminal deserves the presdients attention. Actions can show a person true beliefs. My own opioin. I share that opinion!! The NYPD also has every right to be PISSED at their mayor. Wonder if Obama sends anyone to the funerals of these two officers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 20:57:09 GMT
saying a petty criminal didn't deserve to die = elevating him to sainthood Got it. Reduce to the ridiculous = making a valid point. Got it.
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Post by cycworker on Dec 21, 2014 21:18:00 GMT
I don't think the either/or is helpful nor is the pro-police vs. anti-police stance that seems to be the new meme. I'm horrified about what happened to Michael Brown and Eric Garner and I'm horrified about what happened to these police officers. Life isn't lived in sound bites. I can both honor and respect law enforcement and still believe that the culture that allows the few bad apples to hide their actions and get away with bad deeds needs to change. I can simultaneously believe that one should not commit a petty crime and be killed because of it. I can simultaneously believe that most police officers are good people out to help the community while recognizing that there are some people in uniform that do not have those motives and should not have that kind of power. Not talking about the bad apples isn't going to make people's anger about these issues go away and it's not President Obama's or Bill DeBlasio's fault that anger exists in the first place. It would be a whole lot better if people on BOTH sides of the issue quit with the soundbites and simplistic "pro vs. anti" mindset and actually listened to each other because BOTH sides have legitimate concerns. Well said, Sarah*H! Jonda - your attitude is part of the problem.
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Post by cycworker on Dec 21, 2014 21:30:53 GMT
You have a real skill for summing up the motivations and character of those individuals who have different opinions or perspective than you. Best wishes for a blessed holiday season. Too funny coming from you! Merry Christmas to you sarahh, hope you don't miss too much of it with your head stuck deep in the sand. And because you are not thinking rationally or realistically, let me sum this up for you---pushing criminals to sainthood, supporting criminal behavior, continuing that mentality is not any "opinion or perspective" they are facts that have been brought forward in these instances. You obviously don't read and/or absorb what others/I have written, that we refuse to condone illegal behavior, criminal activity no matter who does it. And yet you have no problem with the fact that a bad cop - Darren Wilson - wasn`t charged. Wilson is one of the bad apples. The Grand Jury was a JOKE. It was rigged. He lied and the prosecution helped him. He should be in jail.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 21:41:23 GMT
Hi, You are right and wrong in a way, he chose to carry a "gun" he chose to " going armed to the terror of the public". While there are rights to bear arms, it's not a right to terrorize the public and those that now and respect gun laws know the diffrence and respect the law. Can you tell the diffrence between a real gun and fake? Rice was pointing and waving a gun.LEO told him to drop the weapon and he chose to raise it at LEO. 12 year Olds can kill. Why did this 12 year old choose to carry around a "gun"? Why did he choose to wave it in a public place? Why did he choose to not follow lawful commands? Why did he choose to raise the "gun" at LEO? ---------------------------------------- Regardless when you willingly break the law and become a dangers, there will consequences. Choose to not break law. People are just fed up about the lack of accountability. I send good wishes to the good leo's and hope they weed out the bad ones, because just as in other jobs/careers, there are bad employees. From watching the video and the hearing lies in the statements the officers made, the Tamir Rice murder was totally preventable. The shooter should not have been allowed to wear the badge. There are a lot more examples other that Tamir, but I am so saddened about the whole situation I should just bow out. I have lost my faith in humanity. Hi Are you referring to the small department that said the officer wasn't suitable for duty? As employment records are sealed we will never know what that reason it. My husband has used that term when he has had to terminate trainees...it cN range from mis-conduct, not being able to multi-task, not being asserive enough & so much more. If it was something major than that falls on the department and most definitely needs to be addressed. Faith in humanity can't be lost as if good men stand for nothing who will stand against evil...
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Post by huskergal on Dec 21, 2014 22:07:51 GMT
Tamir Rice was shot 2 seconds after the cops pulled up. I am guessing he had very little time to react, think, or do what the police instructed. Plus he was probably scared out of his mind.
The slaying of these officers was horrible.
There are bad cops out there. I don't know why people can't admit that.
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Post by jayfab on Dec 21, 2014 22:22:37 GMT
This is info concerning the officer who shot Tamir: link Loehmann was hired by the Cleveland force in May, personnel records show. Records released by police in the suburb of Independence show that he quit a $42,000-a-year job as a patrolman in training in December 2012, after five months. In a November 2012 memo, Deputy Chief Jim Polak recommended that Loehmann be dismissed. He questioned Loehmann's ability to follow instructions and to make good decisions in stressful situations. He cited a report from a firearms instructor who said Loehmann showed up for training "distracted," "weepy" and unable to "communicate clear thoughts," as a result of which "his handgun performance was dismal."The report described Loehmann as in an "emotional meltdown." It was attributed in part to personal problems with an on-again-off-again girlfriend. Surely that doesn't sound like someone who should be wearing a badge.
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Post by jayfab on Dec 21, 2014 22:32:40 GMT
Hey, you know, good luck to you. I hope these sorts of open minded and sensitive observations lead to the constructive dialog within the communities you are hoping will change. It's really been working very well so far. Sarahh--sorry to say that you are in that group of close Mindedness. I get your sarcasm. None of these protests have been peaceful. There are protesters turning into criminals doing damage to others, burning shut down, kicking in vehicle windows, and now murdering police.You can stick your head deep into the sand and think that you know that your protests circling these men will make a huge impact even though the facts are that there has been more violence, more criminal activity and more damage since these "fake" peaceful protests began. It is disgusting what these people are doing. So many that speak on the behalf of these incidents are ignorant, defiant, and lift them up to sainthood when they are far from it. It is shameful. I am sick of people saying none of these protests have been peaceful. There are peaceful protests all over the place. THREE in my city this week!!! ZERO arrests. ZERO burning. ZERO windows broken. ZERO anyone murdered!!! And you say someone else has their head deep in the sand. Open your eyes!
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Post by azredhead on Dec 21, 2014 23:23:40 GMT
Not all cops are bad- not all cops are racists. Shooting innocent cops isn't the answer.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 21, 2014 23:25:06 GMT
Too funny coming from you! Merry Christmas to you sarahh, hope you don't miss too much of it with your head stuck deep in the sand. And because you are not thinking rationally or realistically, let me sum this up for you---pushing criminals to sainthood, supporting criminal behavior, continuing that mentality is not any "opinion or perspective" they are facts that have been brought forward in these instances. You obviously don't read and/or absorb what others/I have written, that we refuse to condone illegal behavior, criminal activity no matter who does it. And yet you have no problem with the fact that a bad cop - Darren Wilson - wasn`t charged. Wilson is one of the bad apples. The Grand Jury was a JOKE. It was rigged. He lied and the prosecution helped him. He should be in jail. Sorry, but no. By all accounts legal and investigative, he was determined to NOT be that bad cop you portray him to be. You are sickening to think that Micheal Brown trying to take that officers gun from him was his given right to do so. At least we know where you stand, aligned with the thug criminal that he was.
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Post by huskergal on Dec 21, 2014 23:25:47 GMT
There are bad cops out there. No one is saying their aren't. No one claims all cops are cut out for the job. Admitted. Owned it. But these cases are not all innocent bystanders lynched or assassinated by rogue cops. They are large adults not obeying commands given to them at the time a crime is being committed or being investigated. What do you think would happen to a stoned white man going for an officers gun? That the police would wait because he;'s white? Don;'t think so. Sorry, but kids should know if they have what looks like a gun, and they brandish it or willingly scare people, it will be taken seriously. I don;'t understand why people are so quick to assign racial motivation in these cases. Also interesting that the same people protesting say very little about black on black crime. Which is killing cities. Literally. That;'s a problem that can;'t be blamed on anyone else but the culture that embraces it: rappers, entertainers that belittle women, the lack of father figures and value of education. Those are huge issues. Easier by far to scream and march about three white cops than address the elephant in the room, the thousands of black on black homicides each year. 12 years old. Not an adult. 2 seconds. 2 seconds. 2 seconds. How fast can you react in 2 seconds?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 21, 2014 23:41:32 GMT
Sarahh--sorry to say that you are in that group of close Mindedness. I get your sarcasm. None of these protests have been peaceful. There are protesters turning into criminals doing damage to others, burning shut down, kicking in vehicle windows, and now murdering police.You can stick your head deep into the sand and think that you know that your protests circling these men will make a huge impact even though the facts are that there has been more violence, more criminal activity and more damage since these "fake" peaceful protests began. It is disgusting what these people are doing. So many that speak on the behalf of these incidents are ignorant, defiant, and lift them up to sainthood when they are far from it. It is shameful. I am sick of people saying none of these protests have been peaceful. There are peaceful protests all over the place. THREE in my city this week!!! ZERO arrests. ZERO burning. ZERO windows broken. ZERO anyone murdered!!! And you say someone else has their head deep in the sand. Open your eyes! You can be sick as you like- but consider this--any good protests have been massively overshadowed by this who are violent.
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Post by christine58 on Dec 21, 2014 23:44:51 GMT
Too funny coming from you! Merry Christmas to you sarahh, hope you don't miss too much of it with your head stuck deep in the sand. And because you are not thinking rationally or realistically, let me sum this up for you---pushing criminals to sainthood, supporting criminal behavior, continuing that mentality is not any "opinion or perspective" they are facts that have been brought forward in these instances. You obviously don't read and/or absorb what others/I have written, that we refuse to condone illegal behavior, criminal activity no matter who does it. And yet you have no problem with the fact that a bad cop - Darren Wilson - wasn`t charged. Wilson is one of the bad apples. The Grand Jury was a JOKE. It was rigged. He lied and the prosecution helped him. He should be in jail. cycworker Did YOU read the grand jury report?? Obviously NOT....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 23:48:37 GMT
Too funny coming from you! Merry Christmas to you sarahh, hope you don't miss too much of it with your head stuck deep in the sand. And because you are not thinking rationally or realistically, let me sum this up for you---pushing criminals to sainthood, supporting criminal behavior, continuing that mentality is not any "opinion or perspective" they are facts that have been brought forward in these instances. You obviously don't read and/or absorb what others/I have written, that we refuse to condone illegal behavior, criminal activity no matter who does it. And yet you have no problem with the fact that a bad cop - Darren Wilson - wasn`t charged. Wilson is one of the bad apples. The Grand Jury was a JOKE. It was rigged. He lied and the prosecution helped him. He should be in jail. Darren Wilson was a bad cop? Do you have any factual information to back this statement up or is it simply your opinion?
The cop that shot Tamir Rice...from what I've read he should NEVER have been wearing a badge or been in possession of a firearm. With that said, if it wasn't him, it very well could've been another very well qualified and decorated and respected officer who shot Tamir. For as much as it's the cops fault for Tamir's death, it's also his fault, and the fault of his parents for their failure in teaching him that you don't go to the park, waving around a realistic looking gun at people and expect it to end well for you. You just cannot behave that way. (but from what I've read, both of Tamir's parents had quite the stellar criminal records as well...so Tamir was simply exhibiting behavior he most likely saw on a regular basis)
Michael Brown cannot assault an officer who had not even exited his patrol car. (and to go even further, Michael Brown cannot walk into a store and take whatever he pleases, and then physically intimidate the store owner)
Eric Garner cannot tell the police that he will not be arrested and argue with them. The police were called, the police had a job to do.
It's unfortunate these boys/men are dead, but their actions had at least as much to do with their death as any actions of any cop...good, bad, or otherwise.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 21, 2014 23:50:01 GMT
There are bad cops out there. No one is saying their aren't. No one claims all cops are cut out for the job. Admitted. Owned it. But these cases are not all innocent bystanders lynched or assassinated by rogue cops. They are large adults not obeying commands given to them at the time a crime is being committed or being investigated. What do you think would happen to a stoned white man going for an officers gun? That the police would wait because he;'s white? Don;'t think so. Sorry, but kids should know if they have what looks like a gun, and they brandish it or willingly scare people, it will be taken seriously. I don;'t understand why people are so quick to assign racial motivation in these cases. Also interesting that the same people protesting say very little about black on black crime. Which is killing cities. Literally. That;'s a problem that can;'t be blamed on anyone else but the culture that embraces it: rappers, entertainers that belittle women, the lack of father figures and value of education. Those are huge issues. Easier by far to scream and march about three white cops than address the elephant in the room, the thousands of black on black homicides each year. 12 years old. Not an adult. 2 seconds. 2 seconds. 2 seconds. How fast can you react in 2 seconds? The officers did not know his age. He does look older. But, not really the point. A call came in that a someone was waving a gun around and was pointing it at people walking by. Police have to respond . Given the area and not being able to tell what kind of gun it was, officers are trained to make spilt second decisions. This is why I have been staying all along that there HAS to be some personal responsibility in all these instances. What these people chose to do destined their fate that day. Kid is waving what by all accounts appears to be a real gun around in a public area. Kid does not do as the police instruct him to do. Two bad choices in a matter of minutes. I definitely think that he did not 'deserve' to die, but I also don't think that the police officers acted unprovoked. They didn't target the boy because he was black. And to clarify, never did I say that all police were good. In fact, I'm not the one with the closed mind.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 23:53:30 GMT
There are bad cops out there. No one is saying their aren't. No one claims all cops are cut out for the job. Admitted. Owned it. But these cases are not all innocent bystanders lynched or assassinated by rogue cops. They are large adults not obeying commands given to them at the time a crime is being committed or being investigated. What do you think would happen to a stoned white man going for an officers gun? That the police would wait because he;'s white? Don;'t think so. Sorry, but kids should know if they have what looks like a gun, and they brandish it or willingly scare people, it will be taken seriously. I don;'t understand why people are so quick to assign racial motivation in these cases. Also interesting that the same people protesting say very little about black on black crime. Which is killing cities. Literally. That;'s a problem that can;'t be blamed on anyone else but the culture that embraces it: rappers, entertainers that belittle women, the lack of father figures and value of education. Those are huge issues. Easier by far to scream and march about three white cops than address the elephant in the room, the thousands of black on black homicides each year. 12 years old. Not an adult. 2 seconds. 2 seconds. 2 seconds. How fast can you react in 2 seconds? So a gun held by a 12 yr old won't kill you as dead as a gun held by a 16yo? Or a 35yo? When we discussed this a few weeks ago, it took me about 2 minutes to find 2 or 3 articles with 12yo's shooting and killing someone. The officer didn't know he was 12 and the officer didn't know it was a fake gun.
If I see anyone, of any color, waving what looks like a real gun at people when I'm in the park, at the theatre, at the school, in the grocery store, you better believe that I will be calling 911 and reporting what I see. And you better believe it that I want the police to assume it's a real gun until THEY determine otherwise.
The whole 2 seconds thing...I've heard this mentioned before...but have never read anything official to verify it as factual. I've also not read the report of that shooting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 23:56:49 GMT
The President of the country does have to respond to a large section of the country feeling racial unrest. In addition to that he used to be a civil rights attorney and prior to that did a lot of community work. I read his book a long time ago so I'm fuzzy on the details but before he started his career he did a lot of door to door work helping people with their rights (voting, tenants, job training). Of the people he sent to the funeral were: one person who went to high school with Brown's mother and another person who is head of a Presidential initiative to empower young minorities. I'm not a fan of guns and don't think civilians should have them or kids playing with realistic looking one. However kids have been playing with guns for generations and yet haven't gotten shot by the police. Tamir was tall for his age and wearing a heavy winter coat that might have made him look older, and admittedly he did look crazy just pointing the gun at nobody. The man who called 911 said "it's a kid and PROBABLY not a real gun" but the 911 operator did not relay that to the police officers. After watching the video, the police office drove right up on him and shot in 2 seconds. The officer should have parked a ways back and talked before shooting. Police don't just bum rush hostage situations, they lay back and strategize. I appreciate the background about Obama, still don't agree with how he handled the situation, we will agree to disagree. But where will disagree is about parking further away and taking time to talk. Its great to have hindsight,but our LEO are tasked with making split second choices. So let's say for example he gave the armed subject (as that is the description that was relayed to him) an extra couple of seconds...do you know how quickly a shot can be fired. A LEO is taught to use deadly force to ensure bodily harm is not done to the public,their fellow officers or themselves. Its not like in the movies where they shoot to maim because even a person with a gunshot can still kill. LEOs are taught to shoot center mass. It's great that everyone has time to say ehat should be done and everyone has an opinion and we all appreciate them. This is how discussions are started and that is where change and reform come from. But I will state this time and time again my husband will use as much force, where it be deadly or not... as he feels necessary to make sure he comes home to us each and every night. If people don't like that they should not be committing crimes,assaulting people murdering people, raping people, stealing breaking the law, driving drunk and fighting with law enforcement officers. It Might not be what everyone wants to hear but that is what I will believe till the day I die. My husband can always find another job but we can never find another him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 0:00:37 GMT
Hello all, I just wanted to thank each one of you all for your opioins, statements, words and prayers. This is what we should be doing...talking about it, discussing it & pushing for reform on all sides. Who knows who sees this disscussion, I'd like to think anytime an open dialogue is there ideas and concerns can be debated. Have a great night...off to watch some holiday movies with my hubby before he gets up at 4am.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 0:26:47 GMT
Well I just went and looked at the video of the shooting and it certainly seems 2 seconds may indeed be factual. I also watched it a few times to see if Tamir put his hands up or kept them at his waistband (like I've heard or read in the past) I can't say that he had his hands in his waistband, but I can factually say that his hands were NOT up.
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Post by PEArfect on Dec 22, 2014 0:45:26 GMT
Real or fake? You have seconds to decide, or you could possibly be fatally shot.
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