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Post by I-95 on Dec 23, 2014 2:31:55 GMT
Whoa! That's pretty shocking. I watched it 3 or 4 times to see if I could see anything that would have caused the cop to fire... the man had put his gun down on the pavement before he was shot....am I missing something? It's a very short video. Yes, you're missing the 2nd gun he's pulling out from his back waistband. Thank you! I went back and watch another 3 times and couldn't see the gun...then I realized I was watching his left hand...DUH! lol. When I watched the right hand, and stopped the video, I could clearly see the gun in his hand. I have decided I would NOT make a good LEO!
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Post by I-95 on Dec 23, 2014 2:46:53 GMT
Because he was reaching towards his waistband (where bad guys keep guns, FYI) They could've been standing there, or sitting in their car waiting for back up while the guy with the gun pulls it out of his waistband and sprays bullets through the front windshield. We unfortunately know that police cars are not bulletproof. Or here's another scenario. The officers at the scene have to sit and wait for someone to come and talk to the guy with the gun. The guy with the gun ends up running away and the officers lose him. So now there's a guy with a gun on the loose in a community who then breaks into a home and kills a family or rapes an old woman.
Then people will cry "why didn't the police stop this bad guy with a gun?"
The police just cannot win.
It's never the criminals fault.
Now that's not a fair statement. 'It's never the criminal's fault'. For me, that kind of comment tends to shut down open dialog. I have no set opinion on who is right and who is wrong....criminal, or cop. I would like to see cops not get a bad rap by making bad decisions, and I'd like to not have some mother grieving for her 12 year old child.... I'm not a cop, I'm not trained to make those kind of decisions, nor do I want to...but when we see videos like that, I'm not up for giving the police an automatic free pass because they have a difficult job. Obviously, in your scenario, where the suspect starts to run off, it's a game changer, but why would you even pull your vehicle that close to a suspect with a gun to start with? You're right, police cars aren't bullet proof....he could have shot through the window before the car stopped too. However, none of us will ever come to terms with what seems to be a frequent occurrence these days, if some people only blame the police, and others only blame the suspect. Nobody is 100% blameless in this particular situation...now how does it get fixed?
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Post by freecharlie on Dec 23, 2014 2:52:49 GMT
The more I fact check the more stunned I am. I too think the grand jury dealings are a farce. They worked to exonerate rather than just get the facts. Grand juries/prosecutors need to be brought in rather than be from the same force. They are not being objective. There is sooooo much misinformation out there it's ludicrous. Those of you who are blaming Rev Shapton need to chill. (I still think he's nutty but he did not call for killing cops) Blame the slimy FOX affiliate caught FAKING a story!!! LIE
And how anyone can believe the grand jury findings after this is beyond me. really needs a WOW JUST WOW
the people who lied and won't be prosecuted are the ones saying Brown had his hands up or was walking away. I would think that would give them more credibility that they let people whose accounts were different to testify, botherwise those made up and those whose stories ended up being backed up by forensics.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 23, 2014 3:19:39 GMT
I actually wasn't suggesting anything, just asking a question, but let's look at the Tamir Rice case. He was reported to be waving a gun around. The officers arrive and he is obviously alone in the park....not threatening the public, wouldn't it make sense to keep your distance and call for someone more experienced to perhaps try talking first? Was it necessary for the officer to pull right up to the person that had been reported to have a weapon, then kill him before he had time to respond to anything? The officer claimed he said 'drop your weapon' 3x before he shot....if that's true, he must have said it before he exited the vehicle because that patrol car had barely stopped before that child was dead. I'm just looking for an alternative to using deadly force so quickly. Exactly. He was sitting alone. Not doing anything. Why fatally shoot him? Why not wait for back up? Officers are not so much trained "shoot to kill". They are trained to aim for the largest mass--the torso. He was not killed on the spot either, he died the next day I believe.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 23, 2014 3:28:21 GMT
Or here's another scenario. The officers at the scene have to sit and wait for someone to come and talk to the guy with the gun. The guy with the gun ends up running away and the officers lose him. So now there's a guy with a gun on the loose in a community who then breaks into a home and kills a family or rapes an old woman.
Then people will cry "why didn't the police stop this bad guy with a gun?"
The police just cannot win.
It's never the criminals fault.
Now that's not a fair statement. 'It's never the criminal's fault'. For me, that kind of comment tends to shut down open dialog. I have no set opinion on who is right and who is wrong....criminal, or cop. I would like to see cops not get a bad rap by making bad decisions, and I'd like to not have some mother grieving for her 12 year old child.... I'm not a cop, I'm not trained to make those kind of decisions, nor do I want to...but when we see videos like that, I'm not up for giving the police an automatic free pass because they have a difficult job. Obviously, in your scenario, where the suspect starts to run off, it's a game changer, but why would you even pull your vehicle that close to a suspect with a gun to start with? You're right, police cars aren't bullet proof....he could have shot through the window before the car stopped too. However, none of us will ever come to terms with what seems to be a frequent occurrence these days, if some people only blame the police, and others only blame the suspect. Nobody is 100% blameless in this particular situation...now how does it get fixed? How does it get fixed? In this specific (type) of instance parents need to keep after their children, educating them on the dangers of even pretending guns are cool. Kids need to learn not to glorify the thug life, guns, gangs, jail, delinquency et al, Is just not a good lifestyle. The environment that these kids choose to spend time in or where they have no choice to be in, influence how they act. Guns in the hands of children fake or not is never a good outcome! These parents need to take responsibility for their kids, knowing where they are, what they are doing and who they are with. The culture of being oppressed needs to change--stop blaming others for bad choices.
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Post by jayfab on Dec 23, 2014 3:42:10 GMT
The more I fact check the more stunned I am. I too think the grand jury dealings are a farce. They worked to exonerate rather than just get the facts. Grand juries/prosecutors need to be brought in rather than be from the same force. They are not being objective. There is sooooo much misinformation out there it's ludicrous. Those of you who are blaming Rev Shapton need to chill. (I still think he's nutty but he did not call for killing cops) Blame the slimy FOX affiliate caught FAKING a story!!! LIE
And how anyone can believe the grand jury findings after this is beyond me. really needs a WOW JUST WOW
the people who lied and won't be prosecuted are the ones saying Brown had his hands up or was walking away. I would think that would give them more credibility that they let people whose accounts were different to testify, botherwise those made up and those whose stories ended up being backed up by forensics. Nope, the one who lied backed up officer Wilson and was repeatedly quoted on right wing radio. Witness 40 complete liar
Some of the text: In this interrogation, the FBI proved that McElroy, whose testimony would eventually mirror Wilson's better than any other witness, was never actually at the scene of the shooting and had concocted an elaborate and preposterous hoax of a narrative on why she was there, how she drove in, how she mysteriously drove off the scene, how she saw the entire incident from close range, how nobody could confirm her being there, how she had a deep and ugly racist history, and so much more. By the time she finished her interview with the FBI, McElroy had perjured herself not one or two times, but well over 100 times. Her story, insulting, demeaning, and fundamentally outrageous was completely debunked by the FBI over and over again, yet Bob McCulloch, fully aware of this, called her not once, but twice as a witness. and To this end, she was wildly successful and her testimony has now been quoted by Sean Hannity and Fox News hundreds of times as a form of evidence that Mike Brown "charged at Darren Wilson like a football player."
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Post by Sarah*H on Dec 23, 2014 3:46:31 GMT
It was quoted on this very thread.
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Post by pierogi on Dec 23, 2014 3:47:40 GMT
The more I fact check the more stunned I am. I too think the grand jury dealings are a farce. They worked to exonerate rather than just get the facts. Grand juries/prosecutors need to be brought in rather than be from the same force. They are not being objective. There is sooooo much misinformation out there it's ludicrous. Those of you who are blaming Rev Shapton need to chill. (I still think he's nutty but he did not call for killing cops) Blame the slimy FOX affiliate caught FAKING a story!!! LIE
And how anyone can believe the grand jury findings after this is beyond me. really needs a WOW JUST WOW
the people who lied and won't be prosecuted are the ones saying Brown had his hands up or was walking away. I would think that would give them more credibility that they let people whose accounts were different to testify, botherwise those made up and those whose stories ended up being backed up by forensics. With all due respect, this isn't true. Witness 40's testimony was completely fabricated, and it was proven that she wasn't even there. The prosecutor even said that he knew she wasn't even at the scene before he put her on the stand, but put her on anyway.
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Post by freecharlie on Dec 23, 2014 3:48:53 GMT
the people who lied and won't be prosecuted are the ones saying Brown had his hands up or was walking away. I would think that would give them more credibility that they let people whose accounts were different to testify, botherwise those made up and those whose stories ended up being backed up by forensics. Nope, the one who lied backed up officer Wilson and was repeatedly quoted on right wing radio. blatant lies
Some of the text: In this interrogation, the FBI proved that McElroy, whose testimony would eventually mirror Wilson's better than any other witness, was never actually at the scene of the shooting and had concocted an elaborate and preposterous hoax of a narrative on why she was there, how she drove in, how she mysteriously drove off the scene, how she saw the entire incident from close range, how nobody could confirm her being there, how she had a deep and ugly racist history, and so much more. By the time she finished her interview with the FBI, McElroy had perjured herself not one or two times, but well over 100 times. Her story, insulting, demeaning, and fundamentally outrageous was completely debunked by the FBI over and over again, yet Bob McCulloch, fully aware of this, called her not once, but twice as a witness. and To this end, she was wildly successful and her testimony has now been quoted by Sean Hannity and Fox News hundreds of times as a form of evidence that Mike Brown "charged at Darren Wilson like a football player." investigators knew she was lying and that she couldn't have been there. What about all the people who raised Brown to sainthood who were lying through their teeth? Are you angered by them? Are you wanting them charged?
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Post by freecharlie on Dec 23, 2014 3:50:00 GMT
the people who lied and won't be prosecuted are the ones saying Brown had his hands up or was walking away. I would think that would give them more credibility that they let people whose accounts were different to testify, botherwise those made up and those whose stories ended up being backed up by forensics. With all due respect, this isn't true. Witness 40's testimony was completely fabricated, and it was proven that she wasn't even there. The prosecutor even said that he knew she wasn't even at the scene before he put her on the stand, but put her on anyway. more than just her were lying. If he had kept everybody who lied off of the stand and decided that himself, he would have been accused of picking what to present.
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Post by pierogi on Dec 23, 2014 3:51:39 GMT
With all due respect, this isn't true. Witness 40's testimony was completely fabricated, and it was proven that she wasn't even there. The prosecutor even said that he knew she wasn't even at the scene before he put her on the stand, but put her on anyway. more than just her were lying. If he had kept everybody who lied off of the stand and decided that himself, he would have been accused of picking what to present. I would think not being there would be enough to be disqualified. End of story. Full stop.
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Post by I-95 on Dec 23, 2014 3:52:30 GMT
GiaLupea said:
I'm sorry, what myth am I perpetuating?
NoWomanCry Said:
I agree with that statement, but the exact same thing could be said by the people who have been abused, assaulted, hurt or killed by a police officer. I can understand your being offended by folks lumping your DH in with some lowlife cop, but it's equally offensive to those who have seen the other side of abuse of power, to pretend it doesn't happen.
Cannes said:
For goodness sake, I wasn't suggesting that there be a committee formed before an officer makes a decision. I wasn't assuming anything, I was ASKING a question...throwing something out to consider and discuss. The fact that the cop in that video shot and killed a 12 year old within 2 seconds of arriving at the location strongly suggests he had NOT been trained to assess and deal with a threat in an appropriate manner. I was commenting on this specific situation, throwing out some possibilities that the two officers didn't seem to consider....like not pulling up right next to the suspect....like if the officer(s) were not experienced, perhaps they might have assessed the situation, seen that there was nobody close by, maybe tried to talk to the suspect first....who knows, MAYBE if they had tried something different, the child wouldn't be dead. I realize not every situation allows for that kind of wait and see approach (as evidenced by the other video posted) What's the alternative? Hope the guy with the gun complies with the order to put it down? Otherwise you should shoot him? What if he doesn't put it down, but doesn't threaten the officer either...maybe just argues with him because he's drunk, angry, mentally unstable, whatever? Are officers trained to recognize mental illness? Or that the person may have a gun because he's suicidal? Or a child with a toy gun? I wouldn't want to have to make those decisions, but if we're going to let any Tom, Dick, or Harry run around with a gun because God knows, it's his 2nd Amendment right, then I can only see things getting worse for some LEOs, and worse for some citizens.
and this
Yes, that is atrocious. It absolutely is setting up both the PD and the community for failure.
LeoWife: I'm not going to copy and paste your well written response, detailing your DH's education and obvious commitment to his career and his community. Suffice to say he is the epitome of what we would all like our local LEOs to be. The community I lived in in CA. had officers like that. We used to joke that along with the academy, they all got sent to charm school. They were, and still are, polite, educated, well spoken and when they stopped you for your traffic infringement you found yourself thanking them for the ticket. Sadly the area we live in now, which is not the inner city, or a slum, it's upper middle class folks in lovely homes....with a police force that nobody likes or respects, even the white folks are hesitant to let their kids linger on the streets. These cops are not much better than thugs, in fact, one local city Police Chief was fired not so long ago...why you ask? He tasered (?Tazed?) one of his own officers, in the station house, because he didn't like the officer's attitude!!
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Post by jayfab on Dec 23, 2014 4:00:52 GMT
With all due respect, this isn't true. Witness 40's testimony was completely fabricated, and it was proven that she wasn't even there. The prosecutor even said that he knew she wasn't even at the scene before he put her on the stand, but put her on anyway. more than just her were lying. If he had kept everybody who lied off of the stand and decided that himself, he would have been accused of picking what to present. WTH. He DID pick what to present. THAT"S the problem. He picked what ever would clear Wilson and threw everything else out! Wilson and his boss changed their stories. There's a cover up going on. It's pretty blatant. That's why people are angry. Then it should go to trial and get to the truth.
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Post by I-95 on Dec 23, 2014 4:07:30 GMT
PaperCrafterAdvocate said:
In an ideal world that would be what happened....but let's be realistic here...and it does open up another can of worms on poverty, single parenthood, the education system, jobs, welfare, corporate greed.. etc etc. It's easy to be responsible and teach your kids right from wrong, when you have 2 involved parents, parents who have jobs, who went to decent schools, have enough money to pay the rent and put food on the table, but this is America, where we do glorify guns and we do have ghettos where life is precarious to start with and there doesn't seem to be a way out. I don't think it's what one can call a 'bad choice' if that's what you were born into.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 4:08:11 GMT
more than just her were lying. If he had kept everybody who lied off of the stand and decided that himself, he would have been accused of picking what to present. WTH. He DID pick what to present. THAT"S the problem. He picked what ever would clear Wilson and threw everything else out! Wilson and his boss changed their stories. There's a cover up going on. It's pretty blatant. That's why people are angry. Then it should go to trial and get to the truth. What do you claim was thrown out? Can you provide a reference source?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 4:12:13 GMT
the people who lied and won't be prosecuted are the ones saying Brown had his hands up or was walking away. I would think that would give them more credibility that they let people whose accounts were different to testify, botherwise those made up and those whose stories ended up being backed up by forensics. Nope, the one who lied backed up officer Wilson and was repeatedly quoted on right wing radio. Witness 40 complete liar
Some of the text: In this interrogation, the FBI proved that McElroy, whose testimony would eventually mirror Wilson's better than any other witness, was never actually at the scene of the shooting and had concocted an elaborate and preposterous hoax of a narrative on why she was there, how she drove in, how she mysteriously drove off the scene, how she saw the entire incident from close range, how nobody could confirm her being there, how she had a deep and ugly racist history, and so much more. By the time she finished her interview with the FBI, McElroy had perjured herself not one or two times, but well over 100 times. Her story, insulting, demeaning, and fundamentally outrageous was completely debunked by the FBI over and over again, yet Bob McCulloch, fully aware of this, called her not once, but twice as a witness. and To this end, she was wildly successful and her testimony has now been quoted by Sean Hannity and Fox News hundreds of times as a form of evidence that Mike Brown "charged at Darren Wilson like a football player." You do realize there were many other witnesses that also claim Michael Brown charged Darren Wilson, don't you? It's not one witness + Darren Wilson vs. everyone else.
www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newly-released-witness-testimony-tell-us-michael-brown-shooting/
No one should lie to the Grand Jury...unfortunately there seems to be much of that...on BOTH sides.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 23, 2014 4:23:22 GMT
PaperCrafterAdvocate said: In an ideal world that would be what happened....but let's be realistic here...and it does open up another can of worms on poverty, single parenthood, the education system, jobs, welfare, corporate greed.. etc etc. It's easy to be responsible and teach your kids right from wrong, when you have 2 involved parents, parents who have jobs, who went to decent schools, have enough money to pay the rent and put food on the table, but this is America, where we do glorify guns and we do have ghettos where life is precarious to start with and there doesn't seem to be a way out. I don't think it's what one can call a 'bad choice' if that's what you were born into. To clarify when I said 'bad choice' I wasn't speaking of the living arrangements I was making reference to the bad choices anyone makes that if being educated about might have a better outcome, for example, waving what looks like a real gun around in a public place. Charging at an officer trying to disarm him... I know tons of single parents in all different neighborhoods who work more than one job, do what the can to make ends meet who STILL are responsible to and for their kids. If you have kids, it's your responsibility for their care, upbringing, education etc. Just because one is single does not mean that they should have a free pass or slack when it comes to these things!
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Post by jayfab on Dec 23, 2014 4:34:09 GMT
WTH. He DID pick what to present. THAT"S the problem. He picked what ever would clear Wilson and threw everything else out! Wilson and his boss changed their stories. There's a cover up going on. It's pretty blatant. That's why people are angry. Then it should go to trial and get to the truth. What do you claim was thrown out? Can you provide a reference source? Sorry, it's late and I'm not feeling well. I should have stopped at "cherry picked" the evidence rather than threw out. Kinda the same but not. one quick link before I hit the hay.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 4:55:45 GMT
What do you claim was thrown out? Can you provide a reference source? Sorry, it's late and I'm not feeling well. I should have stopped at "cherry picked" the evidence rather than threw out. Kinda the same but not. one quick link before I hit the hay. I'm not sure how that article proves your claim in regards to either "cherry picking" or "threw out". The prosecutor presented both sides of the story. If he were "cherry picking" or "throwing out testimony" only one side would've been presented.
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Post by freecharlie on Dec 23, 2014 5:07:17 GMT
Sorry, it's late and I'm not feeling well. I should have stopped at "cherry picked" the evidence rather than threw out. Kinda the same but not. one quick link before I hit the hay. I'm not sure how that article proves your claim in regards to either "cherry picking" or "threw out". The prosecutor presented both sides of the story. If he were "cherry picking" or "throwing out testimony" only one side would've been presented. that is what she wanted/wants. The people who argue this are trying to say that the district attorney's office should have only presented evidence that made him look guilty.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 5:23:56 GMT
I'm not sure how that article proves your claim in regards to either "cherry picking" or "threw out". The prosecutor presented both sides of the story. If he were "cherry picking" or "throwing out testimony" only one side would've been presented. that is what she wanted/wants. The people who argue this are trying to say that the district attorney's office should have only presented evidence that made him look guilty. The prosecutor should be interested in pursuing the TRUTH. (and IMO, hearing both sides of the story vs. only listening to one and throwing out the other is not the way to find the truth)
But those that want Darren Wilson to rot in jail (or in the morgue) aren't really interested in truth either, IMO. They're not interested in justice. They want revenge and that's NOT the way our justice system works.
Perhaps McCullough knew he'd be the one responsible for putting on some sham of a trial, with a number of witnesses who lied, changed their story, and whose stories don't at all jive with the physical evidence in the case.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Dec 23, 2014 5:27:39 GMT
I couldn't quote just this one part so hopefully i did this correctly @i-95 "I agree with that statement, but the exact same thing could be said by the people who have been abused, assaulted, hurt or killed by a police officer. I can understand your being offended by folks lumping your DH in with some lowlife cop, but it's equally offensive to those who have seen the other side of abuse of power, to pretend it doesn't happen. " I had a very bad experience with the bad apples of the police when I was a child. It was one reason the reasons I actually blew my now husband off when I found out he was a cop. I wanted nothing to do with him because he was a cop. So I get that. I also haven't commented on anything in regards to how I feel about any of the police shootings recently...but I can assure you that I know all to well about dirty cops. I have told my DH that I feel not only do I have to worry about him getting hurt/killed but I have to worry about the bad apples of the dept as well. Sadly I don't think they would take a bullet for him like he would them. So dirty cops and criminals are all the same to me and they don't get my respect. I have had another LEOW tell me I should support the uniform regardless...I do...for the good ones. Not clowns (bad cops) wearing a badge. Just tonight DH had 5 domestics right in a row and 1 of the calls pulled a knife on him making a comment about he would get the same thing the NY cops got. This life is draining...and I just with others would know they aren't all bad. I just want my husband to come home safe. That's all. ETA- ugh guess I didn't quote this right...sorry
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Post by I-95 on Dec 23, 2014 5:43:09 GMT
I get that, and I hope he always comes home safely. I know they're not all bad, just like all Catholic Priests weren't bad when the sexual abuse scandals surfaced. The vast majority of them...cops and Priests, are wonderful people who choose the profession out of a sense of duty and community. They do not deserve to get tarnished by the actions of others....but, IMHO, there needs to be some house cleaning in a few police departments around the country. Unfortunately, once the public loses respect for the uniform, it's going to take a lot to get it back...and in the meantime we'll probably lose a lot more good officers.
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Post by PEArfect on Dec 23, 2014 5:49:37 GMT
No one dislikes a bad LEO more than a good LEO.
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Post by moretimeplease on Dec 23, 2014 6:06:58 GMT
How does it get fixed? In this specific (type) of instance parents need to keep after their children, educating them on the dangers of even pretending guns are cool. My 13year old wants an air soft gun so badly. I told him about this boy and also that we will not be allowing air soft guns. Ever. Period. He countered that he would never do something so stupid as to paint over the orange tip or take it to a public place, but we drew the line anyway. He doesn't need to be playing with anything more realistic than Nerf, in our opinion.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Dec 23, 2014 6:08:51 GMT
I get that, and I hope he always comes home safely. I know they're not all bad, just like all Catholic Priests weren't bad when the sexual abuse scandals surfaced. The vast majority of them...cops and Priests, are wonderful people who choose the profession out of a sense of duty and community. They do not deserve to get tarnished by the actions of others....but, IMHO, there needs to be some house cleaning in a few police departments around the country. Unfortunately, once the public loses respect for the uniform, it's going to take a lot to get it back...and in the meantime we'll probably lose a lot more good officers. Thank you. I totally 10000% agree about cleaning house of the bad ones. You have no idea how much I bitch about this to DH. We ran into one months ago and he came up and introduced his self to me... Lol I walked away and refused to shake his hand. Awkward....
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Dec 23, 2014 6:09:32 GMT
No one dislikes a bad LEO more than a good LEO. DH said just this tonight actually.
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Post by PEArfect on Dec 23, 2014 6:33:11 GMT
No one dislikes a bad LEO more than a good LEO. DH said just this tonight actually. My late husband was a K9 officer and he felt the same way, as do all of our LEO friends.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Dec 23, 2014 6:44:30 GMT
DH said just this tonight actually. My late husband was a K9 officer and he felt the same way, as do all of our LEO friends.
I'd love for DH to get into K9 but depts here don't have the funds for it. Did they let you keep your dog?
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Post by PEArfect on Dec 23, 2014 7:01:38 GMT
My late husband was a K9 officer and he felt the same way, as do all of our LEO friends.
I'd love for DH to get into K9 but depts here don't have the funds for it. Did they let you keep your dog? His PD had 3 K9 officers. The Lt. of the K9 unit started caring for our dog while my husband was going through his chemo treatments. We traveled 3 hours to the cancer center and stayed no less than a week each time. When my husband passed away the PD was trying to decide whether they wanted to place him with another officer or not. He's fairly young for a service dog, 6, and in good health. My husband started training with him when he was 2.
Unfortunately I didn't bond with this dog like I did our first. The Lt. wasn't sure I would be able to handle him. He wasn't aggressive, just very hyper and unpredictable. His commands were in Dutch, and I had learned Czech commands with our first dog. He did listen to basic commands from me though. I was able to feed him, and take him for his breaks, but he deserved more. Once the PD decided not to place him with another officer the Lt. and his wife decided to keep him. He had bonded with their dogs. They have a french bull dog, a pug, and a malmois. Our dog was a dutch shepard. His best buddy is the pug, lol. I know he's happy with them, but I wish the PD would have placed him with another officer. He loved being 'on the job', and I know my husband would have wanted him to finish his career.
The 2 other K9 officers retired their dogs and left the K9 unit after my husband passed away. It just wasn't the same for them. They have 4 new K9 officers. 3 multi-purpose dogs and 1 bomb dog.
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