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Post by birukitty on Jun 12, 2016 0:50:17 GMT
Because I have no assurance whatsoever of that person's skills. I know under that kind of pressure more than likely most untrained (like the police force is trained) regular folks would panic and make the situation worse. How do I know this? Logic. I do have a brain. I've already said I'd rather trust the police force or take my chances until they get there. Asked and answered. You just don't like my answer. You will not change my mind. I know it's illogical to you but that's how I feel. Debbie in MD. It's not that I didn't like your answer, I just have a different viewpoint and from my view it doesn't make any sense to say someone is actually shooting at me, but I don't want anyone who's there to have the opportunity to make them stop because they might shoot me. You will NEVER understand my viewpoint on this issue Rainbow, so can we just agree to disagree on this one? Debbie in MD.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 2:00:05 GMT
I know nothing about these thefts from LEO and you didn't provide adequate context for me to have any idea that one man left his weapon/s in his vehicle at his home. Nor have you described how the weapons were actually left in the vehicles. Were they secured are were they not? I haven't a clue. But what I do know is what you and others have said on this thread and on so very many others. You want to rely entirely on fully armed police who are ready to rush to you at a moment's notice. If an LEO officer is to carry around that kind of weaponry on their shift, you now also demand them to carry all of this weaponry upon their person when they make their more routine calls during every shift. If they carry a handgun and a shotgun or rifle, they are either to leave an officer behind in the vehicle as a guard or knock on people's doors fully armed with several armed weapons. Every time. Every shift. The only alternative is to actually leave a/several weapon/s in their vehicle. Which is surprisingly parked.... on the street. This makes them stupid. Along with the prevailing theory of the day that they are racist. And you are trying to convince people that these stupid police are the ones to entirely depend on in a shooting. It makes my head spin. You do know how to google don't you. I didn't go into great detail on the shooting of the woman killed in SF because one of the peas on this board knew her and she gets upset. Having said that I still think it was important enough to point out where the gun came from. If you would like to check the other examples you shouldn't have any problem finding them as there seems to be an epademic of guns stolen out of law enforcement vehicles in the Bay Area. That is what I do when want I want more details on someone's examples. After all Google is my friend. Now do I think these individuals suck at their jobs. No not at all. However I think there are gun owners who reach a point that they adopt a lackadaisical attitude when it comes to their guns instead giving them the respect and care for an item that's sole purpose is to kill. And if these trained individuals leave their guns, and shields, in situations where they can be stolen relatively easy can you imagine how some of the "what if" and "just in case" gun owners, without the training law enforcement receive, will treat their guns? Let me try and explain it another way. In my world I have separated gun owners into two groups. The group that has a need to own a gun. And the group that have no reason other than "what if" and "just in case". Gun owners in both groups get sloppy. Leave a gun in parked car, leave the gun out so a child can get their hands on it, sell it to a buddy without doing due diligence to name a few examples. And in any of these examples something can go terribly wrong and someone dies. It doesn't mean these were bad people it just means they got sloppy. So I put them in my stupid gun owners pool. What I would like to see are less candidates that could get sloppy which means less guns or assigning more responsibility to current gun owners to remind them not to get sloppy. SF has passed a law that require guns in the home be kept in gun safes or have a gun lock on them. It amazes me that they would have to pass a law for such a common sense action when it comes to guns. It's not a law that infringes on your right to own a gun but a law to keep you out of the stupid pool for gun owners. And maybe if faced with more responsibility for the action of their guns some of the "what if" crowd will decide they really don't need a gun and there will be less candidates for the stupid gun owners pool. That is a good thing. PS Another case where a non law enforcement person left a gun in his parked car on the street. Three individuals broke into his car swiped his gun and killed a young woman in Golden Gate Park and a man hiking in Marin County. I do not believe anyone should leave a gun in a parked car on the street. To do so is the height of irresponsibility. They find another place either for the gun or the car. We are not talking about a pair of worn out tennis shoes but an item that kills and very efficiently at that. Agree or or disagree that is entirely up to you.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 12, 2016 2:08:58 GMT
It's not that I didn't like your answer, I just have a different viewpoint and from my view it doesn't make any sense to say someone is actually shooting at me, but I don't want anyone who's there to have the opportunity to make them stop because they might shoot me. You will NEVER understand my viewpoint on this issue Rainbow, so can we just agree to disagree on this one? Debbie in MD. Actually that was Gia.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 2:11:33 GMT
Well you are wrong again. I have no doubt the guns were either, in the glove box, a briefcase of some sort, or in the trunk. Nor do I believe the robbers knew they were breaking into vehicles owned by law enforcement folks. Well maybe one case since the vehicle was parked outside his home and the guy was in his house sleeping when the car was broken into. I wonder if you understand that when thieves break into cars, in most cases, they have no idea what they will find but are hoping for something they can sell. That is why there are signs around in parking areas to remind one not to leave anything of value in your unattended parked car and the cop on the beat will tell you the same thing. Because once a thief gains access to the car, unless it bolted down, nothing is secure. And law enforcement types know this. Parked cars for thieves are soft targets again law enforcement types know this. Now rainbow made mention of a gun safe that is, I believe, bolted to the car. This being the case then every gun owner, including actually specifically law enforcement types, who leave their guns in their cars should have one of these safes in their cars otherwise they are being irresponsible. Period! I had to dig to find it, just to make sure I hadn't missed something.... I know nothing about these thefts from LEO and you didn't provide adequate context for me to have any idea that one man left his weapon/s in his vehicle at his home. Nor have you described how the weapons were actually left in the vehicles. Were they secured are were they not? I haven't a clue. But what I do know is what you and others have said on this thread and on so very many others. You want to rely entirely on fully armed police who are ready to rush to you at a moment's notice. If an LEO officer is to carry around that kind of weaponry on their shift, you now also demand them to carry all of this weaponry upon their person when they make their more routine calls during every shift. If they carry a handgun and a shotgun or rifle, they are either to leave an officer behind in the vehicle as a guard or knock on people's doors fully armed with several armed weapons. Every time. Every shift. The only alternative is to actually leave a/several weapon/s in their vehicle. Which is surprisingly parked.... on the street. This makes them stupid. Along with the prevailing theory of the day that they are racist. And you are trying to convince people that these stupid police are the ones to entirely depend on in a shooting. It makes my head spin. link
Here you go a recap of the epidemic of guns stolen out of law enforcement folks cars.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 13, 2016 2:07:49 GMT
You will NEVER understand my viewpoint on this issue Rainbow, so can we just agree to disagree on this one? Debbie in MD. Actually that was Gia. Oh sorry, Rainbow. Debbie in MD.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 13, 2016 4:25:11 GMT
I had to dig to find it, just to make sure I hadn't missed something.... I know nothing about these thefts from LEO and you didn't provide adequate context for me to have any idea that one man left his weapon/s in his vehicle at his home. Nor have you described how the weapons were actually left in the vehicles. Were they secured are were they not? I haven't a clue. But what I do know is what you and others have said on this thread and on so very many others. You want to rely entirely on fully armed police who are ready to rush to you at a moment's notice. If an LEO officer is to carry around that kind of weaponry on their shift, you now also demand them to carry all of this weaponry upon their person when they make their more routine calls during every shift. If they carry a handgun and a shotgun or rifle, they are either to leave an officer behind in the vehicle as a guard or knock on people's doors fully armed with several armed weapons. Every time. Every shift. The only alternative is to actually leave a/several weapon/s in their vehicle. Which is surprisingly parked.... on the street. This makes them stupid. Along with the prevailing theory of the day that they are racist. And you are trying to convince people that these stupid police are the ones to entirely depend on in a shooting. It makes my head spin. I'm not positive, but I believe all of the law enforcement guns stolen out of cars here recently were from off-duty "officers" and their personal vehicles. No working cop that I've ever heard of leaves his weapon in his car when he goes on calls. I also believe none of these "officers" were actual street cops. That's why I'm putting officers in quotation marks. They were an FBI agent, a park ranger or BLM agent or maybe both and/or some other kind of sworn officer but not a city cop. And I don't understand why they're leaving guns (and in the FBI agent's case, his ID, and it was in front of his house overnight in a very safe, quiet town, which happens to be mine ... this was just a few blocks from me) in parked cars. So unsafe. They're entitled to carry off-duty but then they need to carry. Not leave in the car. Otherwise, lock it up at home. None of this is urgent information, but I wanted you to understand these weapons aren't being stolen from police cars during working hours.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 13, 2016 4:37:59 GMT
None of this is urgent information, but I wanted you to understand these weapons aren't being stolen from police cars during working hours. Thank you.
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Post by ntsf on Jun 13, 2016 5:50:06 GMT
and many of these LEO's who had guns stolen out of cars in SF..1. they were not local. 2. they didn't know that there were over 25,000 car breakins in SF last yr. and 3. they were careless with a gun.
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