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Post by leftturnonly on Jun 27, 2016 15:28:50 GMT
I get that you don't like her. I get that she irritates the piss out of you. But you have bent this so far out of shape here it's just preposterous. Your post is as prejudicial toward her as you claim she is towards others. Please enlighten me. Tell me exactly what she means when she says "Maybe they aren't committing crimes at the same rate?". Actually, no, don't... Cause you know what? Rainbow is a big girl. She doesn't need people coming in here to defend her every time she starts an inflammatory thread. She knows exactly what will happen and she likes it. Or maybe she just likes people like you coming to her rescue all the time. The whole dynamic is just odd. You are not that stupid. I'm telling you that you are blindly prejudiced and you think that I'm defending Rainbow. There is a difference.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 27, 2016 15:45:24 GMT
Perhaps if white people were sent to prison at the same rate, for as long, as people of color committing the same crimes you might have a legitimate point but they aren't. Much of the judicial system, including police departments are biased in favor of the white and wealthy. That's the way it is, white men get the best deal with white women's not far behind. Until this changes, people of color have a legitimate beef. I don't believe anyone is asking me to apologize for being white. I do believe that I am being asked to stop treating people differently because of my biases toward them. I would love to say I am not racist or biased but I am, everyone is. However I try to not act on those biases/feelings. The people of the judicial system, including LEOs need to do the same. Maybe they aren't committing crimes at the same rate? If they weren't committing crimes at all then they wouldn't be having this problem at all. How about looking into that? Then it wouldn't matter what race you were.White men are arrested for 69% of all violent crimes. Yet African Americans are 6 x more likely to be found guilty and make up nearly 50% of the population in prison. They are also given longer sentences for committing the same crime. You can pretend the race doesn't matter in America and that being black is not a burden, but you would quite simply be wrong. SO throw your stones, cast your aspersions. YOU are the problem not part of the solution.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 27, 2016 15:57:14 GMT
You don't seem to understand, yes they've committed a crime but some people are treated differently in the justice system. So stop committing crimes and they won't have to worry about that. They have control over their destiny.you know, usually I give you the benefit of the doubt in what you post. You're blunt, I get that-- but this?? This one even makes me want to say For Fuck's Sake!!! Do you honestly see EVERYTHING in your world as ONLY black / white, or right / wrong, with NO shades of gray or nuances to any of it??? Do you really not understand that issues like this are NEVER as simple as 'just don't do the crime, then!' (which sounds really smarmy and self-satisfied, by the way...) There are SO many issues that go into the way different people in our society are treated (whether those people are black, white, purple, or green)-- economic, societal, social safety net, educational opportunities, transportation availability, early family life influences, etc. etc. etc. that the answer is NEVER actually this simple. NEVER.
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Post by gar on Jun 27, 2016 16:08:33 GMT
Wasn't there a promise a little while ago to consider words more carefully so that it wouldn't lead to accusations of shit stirring? So that we could see that an actual discussion was being offered, rather than just posting inflammatory stuff for the fun of watching the reactions. Did I get that wrong?
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Post by anxiousmom on Jun 27, 2016 16:14:27 GMT
Too many 'thems' and 'theys' for my taste.
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Post by dulcemama on Jun 27, 2016 16:18:03 GMT
Too many 'thems' and 'theys' for my taste. That's what I thought too. Sounds very "othering".
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Post by secondlife on Jun 27, 2016 16:50:26 GMT
That doesn't mean they can't start somewhere. The point is that somewhere isn't the same for some folks as it is for others. I don't know where you got your start in life. I got mine in abject poverty but with highly intelligent and hardworking parents. So I started out the gate well ahead of many - and well behind others. My DH and I later lived in Richmond, CA, Oakland's murderous cousin to the north, where I discovered that my childhood of peaceful poverty was like paradise in comparison. Kids in my town end up working at Walmart or the lumber yard. Some kids in Richmond end up at San Quentin. Big difference. I learned decades ago that shaming a community for its shortcomings is not how you propel a community to productivity.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 27, 2016 16:58:25 GMT
Maybe they aren't committing crimes at the same rate? If they weren't committing crimes at all then they wouldn't be having this problem at all. How about looking into that? Then it wouldn't matter what race you were. WTF... Are you actually saying that black people who commit crimes should get harsher sentences because black people, in general, committ more crime? And white people who commit crimes should get more lenient sentences--because, in general, they commit less crime? I hope that you simply cannot put together a coherent thought and that's not what you actually believe. I haven't the foggiest idea how you came up with that.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 27, 2016 17:01:14 GMT
My dream is that communities start sponsoring their own citizens. A full ride, for so many years of service in the sponsored community. Start it in grade school. Give the kids and the community not only a direction, but a clearer way to support our younger generation. It would be much like the sports star thing. Instead a sports scholarships . The community would have law enforcement, legal, computer and medical schorships. Have a team coachs for each profession. For those kids who wanted but did not win the scholaship. They would already be prepared to go on to college to become that professional. And maybe they can have a different kind of scholarship. Instead of service to the community. We give you a free ride, you start your career somewhere else and you give 2 budding students free rides. That would be a wonderful idea!
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 27, 2016 17:06:26 GMT
Maybe they aren't committing crimes at the same rate? If they weren't committing crimes at all then they wouldn't be having this problem at all. How about looking into that? Then it wouldn't matter what race you were. White men are arrested for 69% of all violent crimes. Yet African Americans are 6 x more likely to be found guilty and make up nearly 50% of the population in prison. They are also given longer sentences for committing the same crime. You can pretend the race doesn't matter in America and that being black is not a burden, but you would quite simply be wrong. SO throw your stones, cast your aspersions. YOU are the problem not part of the solution. Quit committing crimes and you won't go to jail. Simple, no matter what color you are.
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Post by tincin on Jun 27, 2016 17:08:17 GMT
Perhaps if white people were sent to prison at the same rate, for as long, as people of color committing the same crimes you might have a legitimate point but they aren't. Much of the judicial system, including police departments are biased in favor of the white and wealthy. That's the way it is, white men get the best deal with white women's not far behind. Until this changes, people of color have a legitimate beef. I don't believe anyone is asking me to apologize for being white. I do believe that I am being asked to stop treating people differently because of my biases toward them. I would love to say I am not racist or biased but I am, everyone is. However I try to not act on those biases/feelings. The people of the judicial system, including LEOs need to do the same. Maybe they aren't committing crimes at the same rate? If they weren't committing crimes at all then they wouldn't be having this problem at all. How about looking into that? Then it wouldn't matter what race you were.You actually think it's that simple? That because of some sort of defect in their genetics or rearing people of color commit more crimes? Really?
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 27, 2016 17:08:49 GMT
So stop committing crimes and they won't have to worry about that. They have control over their destiny. you know, usually I give you the benefit of the doubt in what you post. You're blunt, I get that-- but this?? This one even makes me want to say For Fuck's Sake!!! Do you honestly see EVERYTHING in your world as ONLY black / white, or right / wrong, with NO shades of gray or nuances to any of it??? Do you really not understand that issues like this are NEVER as simple as 'just don't do the crime, then!' (which sounds really smarmy and self-satisfied, by the way...) There are SO many issues that go into the way different people in our society are treated (whether those people are black, white, purple, or green)-- economic, societal, social safety net, educational opportunities, transportation availability, early family life influences, etc. etc. etc. that the answer is NEVER actually this simple. NEVER. It has worked for me thus far. I haven't committed any crimes and ya know, I've never been in jail! Funny how that works. The cool thing is, it works for any color!
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 27, 2016 17:12:30 GMT
Wasn't there a promise a little while ago to consider words more carefully so that it wouldn't lead to accusations of shit stirring? So that we could see that an actual discussion was being offered, rather than just posting inflammatory stuff for the fun of watching the reactions. Did I get that wrong? I see nothing wrong with this discussion. It doesn't have to be inflammatory at all. When is the "white people need to accept their guilt!" thing gonna end? I can't help it that I'm white. Just by virtue of my skin color I'm automatically guilty. I call bullshit on that.
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Post by tincin on Jun 27, 2016 17:14:06 GMT
WTF... Are you actually saying that black people who commit crimes should get harsher sentences because black people, in general, committ more crime? And white people who commit crimes should get more lenient sentences--because, in general, they commit less crime? I hope that you simply cannot put together a coherent thought and that's not what you actually believe. I haven't the foggiest idea how you came up with that.I call BS that is exactly what you are insinuating, that people of color commit crimes at a higher rate than white people. Don't try to ease out of your black prejudice now.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 27, 2016 17:15:33 GMT
White men are arrested for 69% of all violent crimes. Yet African Americans are 6 x more likely to be found guilty and make up nearly 50% of the population in prison. They are also given longer sentences for committing the same crime. You can pretend the race doesn't matter in America and that being black is not a burden, but you would quite simply be wrong. SO throw your stones, cast your aspersions. YOU are the problem not part of the solution. Quit committing crimes and you won't go to jail. Simple, no matter what color you are.It really isn't that simple. Unless you are a simpleton. Proportions of those who are eventually exonerated ( meaning didn't do the crime to begin with) are overwhelmingly AF males in comparison to any other ethnicity. "Perhaps nowhere is this alarming phenomenon more apparent than in New York City. Over the course of 2014, numerous lawsuits have been filed against the city by wrongfully convicted criminal defendants – a disproportionate number of whom are Black. This year alone, plaintiffs filing civil suits against the city have included the "Central Park Five," who were collectively imprisoned for 41 years for the rape of Trisha Meili; Jabbar Collins, who spent 16 years in prison for a murder someone else committed; and Jonathan Fleming, who was wrongfully incarcerated for 25 years, also for murder. How have wrongful convictions historically been broken down by race? National Registry of Exonerations Reports Disproportionately High Numbers for Black Defendants Let's begin by looking at the general numbers. According to the National Registry of Exonerations, a total of 87 exonerations were documented in 2013. These exonerations spanned a wide variety of both violent and nonviolent offenses, ranging from drug possession to assault to murder – yet the same cannot be said of the recorded racial distribution. "Black defendants constitute 25% of prisoners incarcerated for rape," according to the Registry, "but 61% of those exonerated for such crimes." The five men who comprised the Central Park Five, for example, represent only a tiny fraction of this number. The increasing prevalence of DNA testing over the years has played a crucial role in clearing charges for previously convicted "criminals." The first DNA exoneration documented in the United States took place on August 14, 1989, clearing 22-year-old Gary Dotson of the alleged rape of Cathleen Crowell (who later admitted to fabricating her accusations and inflicting her own injuries). The National Registry currently cites a total of 1,417 exonerations – the majority of which are attributed to Black defendants."
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Post by mallie on Jun 27, 2016 17:17:53 GMT
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Post by tincin on Jun 27, 2016 17:18:20 GMT
you know, usually I give you the benefit of the doubt in what you post. You're blunt, I get that-- but this?? This one even makes me want to say For Fuck's Sake!!! Do you honestly see EVERYTHING in your world as ONLY black / white, or right / wrong, with NO shades of gray or nuances to any of it??? Do you really not understand that issues like this are NEVER as simple as 'just don't do the crime, then!' (which sounds really smarmy and self-satisfied, by the way...) There are SO many issues that go into the way different people in our society are treated (whether those people are black, white, purple, or green)-- economic, societal, social safety net, educational opportunities, transportation availability, early family life influences, etc. etc. etc. that the answer is NEVER actually this simple. NEVER. It has worked for me thus far. I haven't committed any crimes and ya know, I've never been in jail! Funny how that works. The cool thing is, it works for any color!Actually I am quite certain you've broken quite a few laws in your life but by virtue of being white you can get away with it. Ever heard of DWB? Black people being pulled over for driving too nice if a car or being in the wrong neighborhood? It happens. Ever been followed through a store for being the wrong color? White people have a certain privilege that comes from simply being white. We are not as closely watched as others which makes it much easier for our crimes to fly under the radar because our every move is not bring scrutinized.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 27, 2016 17:21:11 GMT
That doesn't mean they can't start somewhere. The point is that somewhere isn't the same for some folks as it is for others. I don't know where you got your start in life. I got mine in abject poverty but with highly intelligent and hardworking parents. So I started out the gate well ahead of many - and well behind others. My DH and I later lived in Richmond, CA, Oakland's murderous cousin to the north, where I discovered that my childhood of peaceful poverty was like paradise in comparison. Kids in my town end up working at Walmart or the lumber yard. Some kids in Richmond end up at San Quentin. Big difference. I learned decades ago that shaming a community for its shortcomings is not how you propel a community to productivity. I'm not shaming anyone, and by the same token I don't want others to do it to me. These days white=evil which is simply not the case. Can't we all just be citizens with no color distinction? My guess is no, because then there wouldn't be anything to leverage against white people. I can't help being the race that I am, and I feel like I'm being punished for it every day. It's not like I chose this race, it was chosen for me.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 27, 2016 17:23:06 GMT
Maybe they aren't committing crimes at the same rate? If they weren't committing crimes at all then they wouldn't be having this problem at all. How about looking into that? Then it wouldn't matter what race you were. You actually think it's that simple? That because of some sort of defect in their genetics or rearing people of color commit more crimes? Really? To me doesn't matter what color a criminal is, so I don't know how you came up with that.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 27, 2016 17:25:23 GMT
You actually think it's that simple? That because of some sort of defect in their genetics or rearing people of color commit more crimes? Really? To me doesn't matter what color a criminal is, so I don't know how you came up with that.It mattered when you posted this thread, link to video, stated what you did in the OP, completed with "I can't help it if I'm white"! Yep, it mattered then.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 27, 2016 17:25:31 GMT
I haven't the foggiest idea how you came up with that. I call BS that is exactly what you are insinuating, that people of color commit crimes at a higher rate than white people. Don't try to ease out of your black prejudice now. I don't know the stats on that, and I said nothing like what she wrote. I don't know how she came up with that.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 27, 2016 17:27:19 GMT
you know, usually I give you the benefit of the doubt in what you post. You're blunt, I get that-- but this?? This one even makes me want to say For Fuck's Sake!!! Do you honestly see EVERYTHING in your world as ONLY black / white, or right / wrong, with NO shades of gray or nuances to any of it??? Do you really not understand that issues like this are NEVER as simple as 'just don't do the crime, then!' (which sounds really smarmy and self-satisfied, by the way...) There are SO many issues that go into the way different people in our society are treated (whether those people are black, white, purple, or green)-- economic, societal, social safety net, educational opportunities, transportation availability, early family life influences, etc. etc. etc. that the answer is NEVER actually this simple. NEVER. It has worked for me thus far. I haven't committed any crimes and ya know, I've never been in jail! Funny how that works. The cool thing is, it works for any color!So what's you're saying is, everyone in society has the same headstart, educational opportunities, and family / societal / economic start in life that you did??? Bullshit!!! Now you ARE being deliberately obtuse; you cannot POSSIBLY believe something so simplistic. And if you do believe that, then my response is: please take your blinders off, go outside your house and your little neighborhood, and see what the REAL world is like. After that, if you STILL believe what you wrote, then I have to say, please stop talking about things you know nothing about because uninformed opinions like yours ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 27, 2016 17:27:26 GMT
To me doesn't matter what color a criminal is, so I don't know how you came up with that. It mattered when you posted this thread, link to video, stated what you did in the OP, completed with "I can't help it if I'm white"! Yep, it mattered then. The solution works regardless of color.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 27, 2016 17:28:16 GMT
where is that ignore button, again??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 17:32:21 GMT
I feel like I'm being punished for it every day Who is punishing you and how exactly?
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Post by LeaP on Jun 27, 2016 17:34:42 GMT
it bears repeating. SaveSave
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 27, 2016 17:37:51 GMT
It has worked for me thus far. I haven't committed any crimes and ya know, I've never been in jail! Funny how that works. The cool thing is, it works for any color! So what's you're saying is, everyone in society has the same headstart, educational opportunities, and family / societal / economic start in life that you did??? Bullshit!!! Now you ARE being deliberately obtuse; you cannot POSSIBLY believe something so simplistic. And if you do believe that, then my response is: please take your blinders off, go outside your house and your little neighborhood, and see what the REAL world is like. After that, if you STILL believe what you wrote, then I have to say, please stop talking about things you know nothing about because uninformed opinions like yours ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. More "you're white, privileged and you had it so much better than others" so shut up because you know nothing. You have absolutely no idea of my background, and it isn't fodder for here so I'm not going to share it. I'll just say that I have experiences that you know nothing about. I do know this, being a criminal is a CHOICE. There are people who grow up in atrocious circumstances and they don't turn to crime. People need to be responsible for the choices they make regardless of where they grew up.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 27, 2016 17:43:55 GMT
I feel like I'm being punished for it every day Who is punishing you and how exactly? I feel like it's everywhere I look and everything I read. It's just ridiculous that I should feel awful because of my skin color. I can't help my skin color any more than I can help being a woman. I don't even have to do a single thing for people to talk about my color as being horrible, oppressive, insert anything in here that is awful. I'm tired of it. At least the people in real life who know me don't treat me like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 17:46:41 GMT
Who is punishing you and how exactly? I feel like it's everywhere I look and everything I read. It's just ridiculous that I should feel awful because of my skin color. I can't help my skin color any more than I can help being a woman. I don't even have to do a single thing for people to talk about my color as being horrible, oppressive, insert anything in here that is awful. I'm tired of it. At least the people in real life who know me don't treat me like that.What a bag of steaming shite.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 27, 2016 17:50:21 GMT
I feel like it's everywhere I look and everything I read. It's just ridiculous that I should feel awful because of my skin color. I can't help my skin color any more than I can help being a woman. I don't even have to do a single thing for people to talk about my color as being horrible, oppressive, insert anything in here that is awful. I'm tired of it. At least the people in real life who know me don't treat me like that. What a bag of steaming shite. I really don't care if you dismiss my feelings, they are valid.
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