Rainbow
Pearl Clutcher
Where salt is in the air and sand is at my feet...
Posts: 4,103
Jun 26, 2014 5:57:41 GMT
|
Post by Rainbow on Jun 27, 2016 8:55:34 GMT
How long is this going to go on? Is anything we do ever going to be enough? I can't help that I'm white, and I can't help if anybody is not. Nothing we do will ever change that. We can't ever change what our ancestors did. That's over. Time to take some personal responsibility for your own lives. If people are being incarcerated maybe it's because they are committing crimes? So quit committing crimes! Don't do the crime and you won't do the time. Simple as that. That's how you keep people from being incarcerated. Don't blame folks for jailing your ass if you do a crime. What, do you think whining at some campaign is gonna make them not jail folks anymore when they do crimes? Do something else with your life, like school, or work or volunteer somewhere. You won't be incarcerated if you do something productive. This gal could do something productive by being active in a campaign instead of whining about race again. We'll always be the races that we are, we have to live with it. Can't change it.
|
|
tincin
Drama Llama
Posts: 5,368
Jul 25, 2014 4:55:32 GMT
|
Post by tincin on Jun 27, 2016 10:04:19 GMT
Perhaps if white people were sent to prison at the same rate, for as long, as people of color committing the same crimes you might have a legitimate point but they aren't. Much of the judicial system, including police departments are biased in favor of the white and wealthy. That's the way it is, white men get the best deal with white women's not far behind. Until this changes, people of color have a legitimate beef.
I don't believe anyone is asking me to apologize for being white. I do believe that I am being asked to stop treating people differently because of my biases toward them. I would love to say I am not racist or biased but I am, everyone is. However I try to not act on those biases/feelings. The people of the judicial system, including LEOs need to do the same.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
May 10, 2024 13:09:50 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 10:54:47 GMT
Might I suggest you take your own advice and go do something a bit more productive than posting shit on the internet.
|
|
raindancer
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 3,095
Jun 26, 2014 20:10:29 GMT
|
Post by raindancer on Jun 27, 2016 11:03:10 GMT
I strongly recommend college. Study public health or something that helps you understand these topics.
|
|
|
Post by freecharlie on Jun 27, 2016 11:32:09 GMT
It must be awesome to live in a world of black and white.
There address many layers to this. It isn't the don't break the law that is the issue and nobody is saying that someone who commits a felony should get a slap on the woodsy due to race, but that is what happens. Only it typically only happens to higher ses white criminals.
Robber a commits crime, is black, gets 15 years Robber B commits same crime similar circumstances, is white with a good background and some money, gets 5 years and is out in 3 on good behavior.
|
|
onecolanut
Full Member
Posts: 118
Nov 22, 2015 19:35:03 GMT
|
Post by onecolanut on Jun 27, 2016 11:51:45 GMT
B R A V O !!!!!!
|
|
Sarah*H
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 3,977
Jun 25, 2014 20:07:06 GMT
|
Post by Sarah*H on Jun 27, 2016 11:59:29 GMT
How heavy is that chip on your shoulder? It seems almost debilitating.
|
|
|
Post by Merge on Jun 27, 2016 12:05:08 GMT
It must be awesome to live in a world of black and white. There address many layers to this. It isn't the don't break the law that is the issue and nobody is saying that someone who commits a felony should get a slap on the woodsy due to race, but that is what happens. Only it typically only happens to higher ses white criminals. Robber a commits crime, is black, gets 15 years Robber B commits same crime similar circumstances, is white with a good background and some money, gets 5 years and is out in 3 on good behavior. Or ... Rape convict A is black, and gets put away for over a decade, only to be acquitted of the crime later. Rape convict B is white and wealthy and attends an elite college, and prison would be too hard on him, so he gets "time served" in the county jail and nothing more.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
May 10, 2024 13:09:50 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 12:47:07 GMT
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
May 10, 2024 13:09:50 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 13:05:38 GMT
I know you're right, but sheesh it's hard not to. I had to snigger at the thread title though because I'm pretty sure that's what most people think when they see one of her threads.
|
|
tincin
Drama Llama
Posts: 5,368
Jul 25, 2014 4:55:32 GMT
|
Post by tincin on Jun 27, 2016 13:15:30 GMT
How long is this going to go on? Is anything we do ever going to be enough? I can't help that I'm white, and I can't help if anybody is not. Nothing we do will ever change that. We can't ever change what our ancestors did. That's over. Time to take some personal responsibility for your own lives. If people are being incarcerated maybe it's because they are committing crimes? So quit committing crimes! Don't do the crime and you won't do the time. Simple as that. That's how you keep people from being incarcerated. Don't blame folks for jailing your ass if you do a crime. What, do you think whining at some campaign is gonna make them not jail folks anymore when they do crimes? Do something else with your life, like school, or work or volunteer somewhere. You won't be incarcerated if you do something productive. This gal could do something productive by being active in a campaign instead of whining about race again. We'll always be the races that we are, we have to live with it. Can't change it.
Because I know the rules.
|
|
Rainbow
Pearl Clutcher
Where salt is in the air and sand is at my feet...
Posts: 4,103
Jun 26, 2014 5:57:41 GMT
|
Post by Rainbow on Jun 27, 2016 13:17:51 GMT
Perhaps if white people were sent to prison at the same rate, for as long, as people of color committing the same crimes you might have a legitimate point but they aren't. Much of the judicial system, including police departments are biased in favor of the white and wealthy. That's the way it is, white men get the best deal with white women's not far behind. Until this changes, people of color have a legitimate beef. I don't believe anyone is asking me to apologize for being white. I do believe that I am being asked to stop treating people differently because of my biases toward them. I would love to say I am not racist or biased but I am, everyone is. However I try to not act on those biases/feelings. The people of the judicial system, including LEOs need to do the same. Maybe they aren't committing crimes at the same rate? If they weren't committing crimes at all then they wouldn't be having this problem at all. How about looking into that? Then it wouldn't matter what race you were.
|
|
AnotherPea
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 2,968
Jan 4, 2015 1:47:52 GMT
|
Post by AnotherPea on Jun 27, 2016 13:19:02 GMT
As I've said before, I don't think it is really about race but instead SES. I've known two former students that got caught breaking the law, that were able to buy their ways out of the situations. No record, no community service, just Dad's checkbook. One was a white boy and one was a black girl. Their poor counterparts, who got caught with them (separate incidents) now have records. They couldn't afford fancy lawyers and hefty fines.
|
|
Rainbow
Pearl Clutcher
Where salt is in the air and sand is at my feet...
Posts: 4,103
Jun 26, 2014 5:57:41 GMT
|
Post by Rainbow on Jun 27, 2016 13:26:05 GMT
As I've said before, I don't think it is really about race but instead SES. I've known two former students that got caught breaking the law, that were able to buy their ways out of the situations. No record, no community service, just Dad's checkbook. One was a white boy and one was a black girl. Their poor counterparts, who got caught with them (separate incidents) now have records. They couldn't afford fancy lawyers and hefty fines. If they quit breaking the law there wouldn't even be this problem that they'd have to get out of.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
May 10, 2024 13:09:50 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 13:40:08 GMT
As I've said before, I don't think it is really about race but instead SES. I've known two former students that got caught breaking the law, that were able to buy their ways out of the situations. No record, no community service, just Dad's checkbook. One was a white boy and one was a black girl. Their poor counterparts, who got caught with them (separate incidents) now have records. They couldn't afford fancy lawyers and hefty fines. If they quit breaking the law there wouldn't even be this problem that they'd have to get out of. You don't seem to understand, yes they've committed a crime but some people are treated differently in the justice system.
|
|
|
Post by leftturnonly on Jun 27, 2016 13:44:00 GMT
That's a rather harsh punishment, doncha think?
|
|
AnotherPea
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 2,968
Jan 4, 2015 1:47:52 GMT
|
Post by AnotherPea on Jun 27, 2016 13:48:55 GMT
As I've said before, I don't think it is really about race but instead SES. I've known two former students that got caught breaking the law, that were able to buy their ways out of the situations. No record, no community service, just Dad's checkbook. One was a white boy and one was a black girl. Their poor counterparts, who got caught with them (separate incidents) now have records. They couldn't afford fancy lawyers and hefty fines. If they quit breaking the law there wouldn't even be this problem that they'd have to get out of. You are absolutely correct. My point is that consequences aren't handed out equally, thus poor people spend more time in jail than wealthy.
|
|
|
Post by elaine on Jun 27, 2016 13:56:01 GMT
How long is this going to go on? How much is enough?
|
|
|
Post by secondlife on Jun 27, 2016 14:03:28 GMT
While there's a certain truth in "Just don't do it", there is far more complexity to the relationship between crime, poverty, incarceration, and the cycle thereof.
Rarely is it as simple as "just" anything.
|
|
Rainbow
Pearl Clutcher
Where salt is in the air and sand is at my feet...
Posts: 4,103
Jun 26, 2014 5:57:41 GMT
|
Post by Rainbow on Jun 27, 2016 14:05:07 GMT
If they quit breaking the law there wouldn't even be this problem that they'd have to get out of. You don't seem to understand, yes they've committed a crime but some people are treated differently in the justice system. So stop committing crimes and they won't have to worry about that. They have control over their destiny.
|
|
Rainbow
Pearl Clutcher
Where salt is in the air and sand is at my feet...
Posts: 4,103
Jun 26, 2014 5:57:41 GMT
|
Post by Rainbow on Jun 27, 2016 14:10:01 GMT
If they quit breaking the law there wouldn't even be this problem that they'd have to get out of. You are absolutely correct. My point is that consequences aren't handed out equally, thus poor people spend more time in jail than wealthy. Fix the real problem, which is the committing of crimes by people of any color.
|
|
|
Post by pjaye on Jun 27, 2016 14:12:42 GMT
Oh the irony of this title!
I bet many of us see your name and what you post and think exactly the same thing every time.
|
|
Rainbow
Pearl Clutcher
Where salt is in the air and sand is at my feet...
Posts: 4,103
Jun 26, 2014 5:57:41 GMT
|
Post by Rainbow on Jun 27, 2016 14:19:14 GMT
While there's a certain truth in "Just don't do it", there is far more complexity to the relationship between crime, poverty, incarceration, and the cycle thereof. Rarely is it as simple as "just" anything. I agree that it is complex, but you have to start somewhere. Staying out of jail means you won't have a record which means you're more likely to get a job which means less poverty. I think staying out of jail by not committing a crime in the first place is the good place to start.
|
|
|
Post by secondlife on Jun 27, 2016 14:22:21 GMT
While there's a certain truth in "Just don't do it", there is far more complexity to the relationship between crime, poverty, incarceration, and the cycle thereof. Rarely is it as simple as "just" anything. I agree that it is complex, but you have to start somewhere. Staying out of jail means you won't have a record which means you're more likely to get a job which means less poverty. I think staying out of jail by not committing a crime in the first place is the good place to start.It's generational.
|
|
Rainbow
Pearl Clutcher
Where salt is in the air and sand is at my feet...
Posts: 4,103
Jun 26, 2014 5:57:41 GMT
|
Post by Rainbow on Jun 27, 2016 14:42:40 GMT
I agree that it is complex, but you have to start somewhere. Staying out of jail means you won't have a record which means you're more likely to get a job which means less poverty. I think staying out of jail by not committing a crime in the first place is the good place to start. It's generational. That doesn't mean they can't start somewhere.
|
|
katybee
Drama Llama
Posts: 5,378
Jun 25, 2014 23:25:39 GMT
|
Post by katybee on Jun 27, 2016 14:59:45 GMT
Perhaps if white people were sent to prison at the same rate, for as long, as people of color committing the same crimes you might have a legitimate point but they aren't. Much of the judicial system, including police departments are biased in favor of the white and wealthy. That's the way it is, white men get the best deal with white women's not far behind. Until this changes, people of color have a legitimate beef. I don't believe anyone is asking me to apologize for being white. I do believe that I am being asked to stop treating people differently because of my biases toward them. I would love to say I am not racist or biased but I am, everyone is. However I try to not act on those biases/feelings. The people of the judicial system, including LEOs need to do the same. Maybe they aren't committing crimes at the same rate? If they weren't committing crimes at all then they wouldn't be having this problem at all. How about looking into that? Then it wouldn't matter what race you were.WTF... Are you actually saying that black people who commit crimes should get harsher sentences because black people, in general, committ more crime? And white people who commit crimes should get more lenient sentences--because, in general, they commit less crime? I hope that you simply cannot put together a coherent thought and that's not what you actually believe.
|
|
|
Post by houston249 on Jun 27, 2016 15:07:58 GMT
My dream is that communities start sponsoring their own citizens. A full ride, for so many years of service in the sponsored community. Start it in grade school. Give the kids and the community not only a direction, but a clearer way to support our younger generation. It would be much like the sports star thing. Instead a sports scholarships . The community would have law enforcement, legal, computer and medical schorships. Have a team coachs for each profession. For those kids who wanted but did not win the scholaship. They would already be prepared to go on to college to become that professional.
And maybe they can have a different kind of scholarship. Instead of service to the community. We give you a free ride, you start your career somewhere else and you give 2 budding students free rides.
|
|
|
Post by leftturnonly on Jun 27, 2016 15:10:06 GMT
Maybe they aren't committing crimes at the same rate? If they weren't committing crimes at all then they wouldn't be having this problem at all. How about looking into that? Then it wouldn't matter what race you were. WTF... Are you actually saying that black people who commit crimes should get harsher sentences because black people, in general, committ more crime? And white people who commit crimes should get more lenient sentences--because, in general, they commit less crime? I hope that you simply cannot put together a coherent thought and that's not what you actually believe. I get that you don't like her. I get that she irritates the piss out of you. But you have bent this so far out of shape here it's just preposterous. Your post is as prejudicial toward her as you claim she is towards others.
|
|
|
Post by leftturnonly on Jun 27, 2016 15:11:28 GMT
My dream is that communities start sponsoring their own citizens. A full ride, for so many years of service in the sponsored community. Start it in grade school. Give the kids and the community not only a direction, but a clearer way to support our younger generation. It would be much like the sports star thing. Instead a sports scholarships . The community would have law enforcement, legal, computer and medical schorships. Have a team coachs for each profession. For those kids who wanted but did not win the scholaship. They would already be prepared to go on to college to become that professional. And maybe they can have a different kind of scholarship. Instead of service to the community. We give you a free ride, you start your career somewhere else and you give 2 budding students free rides. Kind of like an apprenticeship for jobs of today. I LOVE IT!
|
|
katybee
Drama Llama
Posts: 5,378
Jun 25, 2014 23:25:39 GMT
|
Post by katybee on Jun 27, 2016 15:24:50 GMT
WTF... Are you actually saying that black people who commit crimes should get harsher sentences because black people, in general, committ more crime? And white people who commit crimes should get more lenient sentences--because, in general, they commit less crime? I hope that you simply cannot put together a coherent thought and that's not what you actually believe. I get that you don't like her. I get that she irritates the piss out of you. But you have bent this so far out of shape here it's just preposterous. Your post is as prejudicial toward her as you claim she is towards others. Please enlighten me. Tell me exactly what she means when she says "Maybe they aren't committing crimes at the same rate?". Actually, no, don't... Cause you know what? Rainbow is a big girl. She doesn't need people coming in here to defend her every time she starts an inflammatory thread. She knows exactly what will happen and she likes it. Or maybe she just likes people like you coming to her rescue all the time. The whole dynamic is just odd.
|
|