Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 28, 2016 17:01:57 GMT
"Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. What do you call it when adults do it? Adults can be bullied by other adults as well.
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Post by Merge on Jun 28, 2016 17:02:54 GMT
I think we need to define "here". Pile-ons happen but no doxing, so I agree...I haven't seen real cyberbullying here. Now, that ol'smack blog...that's a much different story. I would say it most definitely did happen there, but there was connected to here so, did it happen on the open board? No. Did it happen behind the scenes? Yes. On this particular thread How long is this going to....Here are some quotes from what the first 7 replies: The subject that the OP posted about is a very concerning topic for many people. Issues of race and crimes, restitution etc All hot topics that need to be challenged and discussed. But because it was this particular poster she was, within the first 7 or so posts, dismissed, told to go to school and learn something, accused of having a chip on her shoulder and another poster called her a troll and told the rest of us not to have a conversation with her. This was the first half of the first page. This wasn't after page after page of frustrating discussion, SaveNo, it's year after year of frustrating discussion.
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Post by lurkingsince2001 on Jun 28, 2016 17:06:38 GMT
I think it's bullying when the group's intent is to drown out someone's opinion that they don't want to hear. It was different on a thread where you have an actual troll that stated his purpose was to "beat some record". (of trolling I guess) But when you have an actual Pea who's opinion's and style the group doesn't agree with and their answer is to gang up and drown out their thread, that's bullying. Actually that isn't true. If you want to call bullying bullying then be accurate and truthful. "Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. When one person shares an opinion and others don't agree and try to change the conversation, that is how the internet works. It's more than just teens though. Adults get cyber bullied all the time. Technology knows no age so using it as a qualifier to arbitrarily decide who the victims are doesn't make sense. Look at the social justice warriors online popping up and forcing their views down people's throats. There are people being run off Tumblr for stupid reasons and because others forget that there are real people behind that keyboard. I've been reading about people actually getting death threats over expressing their opinion on something a simple as a movie. I'm in fandoms where people are dropping like flies and removing as much of their presence as possible because of the malicious actions of strangers. Apparently some of those bullying teens never quite grow up. Yes, the term bullying is overused these days. But when people deliberately try to sabotage a conversation by interrupting, redirecting, or distracting, repeatedly, and with the obvious intent of harassing a poster because they don't like them or their opinion it certainly looks like bullying to me. Their intent is to shut the conversation down, to silence or mock the person. In some cases, to get them to leave the thread or the board. It's not productive. It's not trying to compromise. It's purpose is dark and and it draws people to see the show, to say things they might not otherwise as it's become "okay" because others are doing it to. We can argue semantics, legal, or psychological terms all day but that's not going to change the ugly shit that I see happening on the internet between supposed adults all the time. Call it harassment, call it bullying, call it junior high, it's wrong and beneath us. Yes, there are things on here that get labeled as such that probably aren't, but that doesn't change that it does happen whether we want to acknowledge it or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 17:10:10 GMT
I think we need to define "here". Pile-ons happen but no doxing, so I agree...I haven't seen real cyberbullying here. Now, that ol'smack blog...that's a much different story. I would say it most definitely did happen there, but there was connected to here so, did it happen on the open board? No. Did it happen behind the scenes? Yes. On this particular thread How long is this going to....Here are some quotes from what the first 7 replies: The subject that the OP posted about is a very concerning topic for many people. Issues of race and crimes, restitution etc All hot topics that need to be challenged and discussed. But because it was this particular poster she was, within the first 7 or so posts, dismissed, told to go to school and learn something, accused of having a chip on her shoulder and another poster called her a troll and told the rest of us not to have a conversation with her. This was the first half of the first page. This wasn't after page after page of frustrating discussion, SaveShe didn't post that topic out of concern.
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Post by Merge on Jun 28, 2016 17:11:05 GMT
The fact that I'm white and straight. In today's world once that is thrown, any response I might have is null do to my whiteness and straightness. OK, I really don't understand this. Understanding WHY people feel the way they do is important. Speculating that someone who thinks a certain way may be experiencing the privilege of the majority group isn't mean to shut that person up; it's a legitimate discussion point. I feel like certain posters get mad about others "shutting down conversation" when what they really mean is, "I don't have a good answer for that, so I'm going to take my toys and go home." There is literally nothing anyone can do here to shut down conversation. People have been trying close threads here for as long as I can remember. It never works. It's certainly not going to start working because someone suggested you might be white and straight.
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 28, 2016 17:12:51 GMT
The same could be said to you, then. Don't agree with what is going on in the contentious threads and pics of jello - don't read them - no one is holding you down. Hand-slapping and putting people in their place is not your job. See, it goes both ways. But, my guess is that you are getting some satisfaction out of posting on this thread - a few times - and so maybe you can see why others post on contentious threads in ways that satisfy them. And, homophobia and racism aren't "political" they are evil, hateful, and are personal insults to some members on this board. If you are white and straight, maybe you don't get it. And I'll probably regret this, but there it is. That statement just shuts down any discussion. And intentionally used to shut me up. Congratulations on your open mindedness. The whole idea that some of these people on the left are open-minded is laughable. The only people who are entitled to the tolerance they preach are those they either agree with socially and politically or those whose life styles they agree with. That is the reality although I know that they will defend their close mindedness gleefully while parading others for not being open-minded. It's the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen This is why, in the end, conservative simply stop discussing issues and use their votes to put through their own philosophies. And then they wonder how someone like Donald Trump can rise so far
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 17:14:50 GMT
Adults can be bullied by other adults as well. Of course they can but when you constantly post the same type of things over and over again you know full well how it's going to play out. If you truly felt bullied you'd stop to protect yourself.
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Post by gar on Jun 28, 2016 17:20:59 GMT
I think we need to define "here". Pile-ons happen but no doxing, so I agree...I haven't seen real cyberbullying here. Now, that ol'smack blog...that's a much different story. I would say it most definitely did happen there, but there was connected to here so, did it happen on the open board? No. Did it happen behind the scenes? Yes. On this particular thread How long is this going to....Here are some quotes from what the first 7 replies: The subject that the OP posted about is a very concerning topic for many people. Issues of race and crimes, restitution etc All hot topics that need to be challenged and discussed. But because it was this particular poster she was, within the first 7 or so posts, dismissed, told to go to school and learn something, accused of having a chip on her shoulder and another poster called her a troll and told the rest of us not to have a conversation with her. This was the first half of the first page. This wasn't after page after page of frustrating discussion, SaveNo, it was after months and months, years and years of the same provocative behaviour. As has been mentioned before, this OP's style of posting is very well known. She is combative and not really seeming to be interested in a genuinely reasoned conversation. She almost solely posts inflammatory subjects, she engages in circular arguments, avoids questions, replies with questions which deflect and distract. This isn't people suddenly turning on an innocent.....she must be laughing her socks off.
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Post by Country Ham on Jun 28, 2016 17:29:31 GMT
Adults can be bullied by other adults as well. Of course they can but when you constantly post the same type of things over and over again you know full well how it's going to play out. If you truly felt bullied you'd stop to protect yourself. OK just out of curiosity I went to Rainbow's profile to see how many threads she has started about blacks committing crimes. There was the one yesterday and one back on June 12th. i stopped scrolling after the first page which ends in Feb. I did notice a lot about guns, a couple about gay issues and veganism. She has very strong opinions for sure. I wouldn't of given yesterday's thread a second look, I still haven't watched the video, but folks keep pushing the discussion to the top of the board, and then there are side threads like this and I keep getting drawn back to it. Save
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 28, 2016 17:31:07 GMT
I No, it was after months and months, years and years of the same provocative behaviour. As has been mentioned before, this OP's style of posting is very well known. She is combative and not really seeming to be interested in a genuinely reasoned conversation. She almost solely posts inflammatory subjects, she engages in circular arguments, avoids questions, replies with questions which deflect and distract. This isn't people suddenly turning on an innocent.....she must be laughing her socks off. Agreed. I sort of feel SHE is bullying US. Not the other way around.
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Post by carhoch on Jun 28, 2016 17:35:16 GMT
"Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. What do you call it when adults do it? Adults can be bullied by other adults as well. I truly believe that you love the attention so I never feel sorry for you and I don't think that you feel that you are bullied you are having to much fun.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 17:38:26 GMT
Of course they can but when you constantly post the same type of things over and over again you know full well how it's going to play out. If you truly felt bullied you'd stop to protect yourself. OK just out of curiosity I went to Rainbow's profile to see how many threads she has started about blacks committing crimes. There was the one yesterday and one back on June 12th. i stopped scrolling after the first page which ends in Feb. I did notice a lot about guns, a couple about gay issues and veganism. She has very strong opinions for sure. I wouldn't of given yesterday's thread a second look, I still haven't watched the video, but folks keep pushing the discussion to the top of the board, and then there are side threads like this and I keep getting drawn back to it. SaveIf there's one thing that the Peas love-and always have-it's controversy. If you keep getting 'drawn back to it,' that's solely on you. It's disingenuous bullshit to pretend like you're above the fray while you're simultaneously inserting yourself into it. As for how many threads Rainbow has started on black crime, you're being deliberately obtuse. You're almost as talented at it as she is.
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 28, 2016 17:42:09 GMT
Adults can be bullied by other adults as well. Of course they can but when you constantly post the same type of things over and over again you know full well how it's going to play out. If you truly felt bullied you'd stop to protect yourself. So, what you are saying is to let the bullies dictate what is posted?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 28, 2016 17:46:31 GMT
That is absolutely not true. Topics that come in for that sort of response are sometimes political but also frequently racism, homophobia, discrimination on all sorts of grounds including physical differences, and so on and so on. The problem with this train of thought is that what is considered racist, homophobic and discriminatory is the eye (ear?) of the beholder and it varies from person to person. I would suggest that in recent years that line of speech has been dumbed down, if you will, so that just about anything can be included. It has become a tactic of the left to define any speech they don't like as derogatory so as to quickly shut down the discussion since there is no adequate response. I think, whopea, is the qualifier is this-- If you tell someone posting that their posts are offensive (to you or general you) --and I'm not talking about political or gun threads, only the others--LBGTQ, homophobia, racist---and the person being offensive continues on as well as digs in deeper, then it becomes less of "what the eye of the beholder" thinks and more of the "you're purposely being offensive and deliberately douche-y".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 17:46:57 GMT
Of course they can but when you constantly post the same type of things over and over again you know full well how it's going to play out. If you truly felt bullied you'd stop to protect yourself. So, what you are saying is to let the bullies dictate what is posted?Yes that's exactly what I'm saying.
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 28, 2016 17:48:04 GMT
So, what you are saying is to let the bullies dictate what is posted? Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. Why would you want that?
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Post by elaine on Jun 28, 2016 17:51:31 GMT
And I'll probably regret this, but there it is. That statement just shuts down any discussion. And intentionally used to shut me up. Congratulations on your open mindedness. The whole idea that some of these people on the left are open-minded is laughable. The only people who are entitled to the tolerance they preach are those they either agree with socially and politically or those whose life styles they agree with. That is the reality although I know that they will defend their close mindedness gleefully while parading others for not being open-minded. It's the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen This is why, in the end, conservative simply stop discussing issues and use their votes to put through their own philosophies. And then they wonder how someone like Donald Trump can rise so far Lauren, I have yet to use the term "open-minded" in the two years we have been on this board here. Yet, you seem to love to take pot-shots at me accusing me of thinking I am open-minded and tolerant. The older I have gotten, and the more I am exposed to the hate that you and Rainbow spew, the more I know that I am entrenched in some my views and do not feel the need to be tolerant of your "pile of crap" to repeat your phrase. Nor do I parade myself as some paragon of open-mindedness. But you go on with your crusade against what you falsely purport I claim to be. And that you EVER stop discussing something because of what some lefty liberal has to say is funnier than the pictures of spaghetti jello with Vienna sausages and spray cheese. You argue whatever you want, whenever you want, and it is when the stats and facts are against you, that you ignore and stop responding.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 17:53:11 GMT
Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. Why would you want that?I'm saying that as an adult you are in control of what you post and how what other people post affects you. If you feel bullied what do you gain from reposting almost exactly the same thing? Do you really think that the outcome is going to be different or are you just doing it to gain a reaction?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 28, 2016 17:53:36 GMT
So, what you are saying is to let the bullies dictate what is posted? Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. sorry, but I do have to disagree with this one, myself, too. Why is 'letting the bullies dictate what is posted' a good thing for the person who perceives themselves being bullied? Doesn't that mean the bully 'wins' ? ? ?
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Jun 28, 2016 17:55:44 GMT
If somebody feels she is being bullied here, then why does she return time and time again? People who are truly bullied often have no escape - they still have to go to school or work or wherever it may be and be confronted by their tormentors. Unless a pea is harassing you off the board too* - then I don't understand coming here if you feel you are being bullied. I know it's hard to leave this place, but this board is in no way necessary for anybody to function in their life - drop it if it causes you too much anxiety and grief.
* I know in the past some issues have left the board and I think that is unacceptable.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jun 28, 2016 17:56:05 GMT
The fact that I'm white and straight. In today's world once that is thrown, any response I might have is null do to my whiteness and straightness. LOL! Pull on your big girl panties. I'm white and straight too. But somehow I manage to see how offensive and hateful the racist and homophobic comments are. I simply proposed that as a possibility as to how you possibly could miss it - I didn't even know that you were white or straight, which is why I used "IF you are..." But if having your own words reflected back at you about what you are yourself doing and how you yourself are behaving causes you to take your Barbies and go home, that is certainly your choice. NSBR certainly isn't for the thin-skinned. Not sure how calling you out for using the race/gay card is thin skinned. it's a pretty common practice nowadays to delegitimize a person's opinion. See Justin Timberlake. That's the most ridiculous tempest in a teapot in a while. It's a fact you put on the board. You used it to tell me that you think my opinion isn't valid because I'm probably white and straight. Doesn't matter if you are too. Don't worry, I'm not to timid for this board.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 17:59:21 GMT
Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. sorry, but I do have to disagree with this one, myself, too. Why is 'letting the bullies dictate what is posted' a good thing for the person who perceives themselves being bullied? Doesn't that mean the bully 'wins' ? ? ? Please read what I just wrote, I'm not saying that at all!
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 28, 2016 18:00:04 GMT
I'm saying that as an adult you are in control of what you post and how what other people post affects you. If you feel bullied what do you gain from reposting almost exactly the same thing? Do you really think that the outcome is going to be different or are you just doing it to gain a reaction? Do thing bullies should rule at school as well? That the bullied kids should just suck it up?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 18:02:16 GMT
I'm saying that as an adult you are in control of what you post and how what other people post affects you. If you feel bullied what do you gain from reposting almost exactly the same thing? Do you really think that the outcome is going to be different or are you just doing it to gain a reaction? Do thing bullies should rule at school as well? That the bullied kids should just suck it up?Total apples and oranges. You and the rest of us are adults, don't try and engage me in circles cos it's not gonna wash.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 28, 2016 18:02:40 GMT
I think Elaine's surgery has just fucked up her mind. She has become more combative and hateful in the last year than I've seen her and all the prior years on this message board. It's a shame. She used to stay her views and still be a nice P. I'm sure those who agree with her think she still is but there's a whole lot of us now that simply do not like the person she's become.
I too have become more entrenched in my ideas as I have gotten older and feel just as free to express my views as everyone else.
And it's a message board. It's not my life. So if I don't feel like talking to you or responding to you anymore Elaine that's really just too bad. I do as I please not what you expect demand I do. Sometimes you are just not worth my time and so I walk away
Some of you are far more ugly than you claim I am.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Jun 28, 2016 18:04:39 GMT
The fact that I'm white and straight. In today's world once that is thrown, any response I might have is null do to my whiteness and straightness. OK, I really don't understand this. Understanding WHY people feel the way they do is important. Speculating that someone who thinks a certain way may be experiencing the privilege of the majority group isn't mean to shut that person up; it's a legitimate discussion point. I feel like certain posters get mad about others "shutting down conversation" when what they really mean is, "I don't have a good answer for that, so I'm going to take my toys and go home." There is literally nothing anyone can do here to shut down conversation. People have been trying close threads here for as long as I can remember. It never works. It's certainly not going to start working because someone suggested you might be white and straight. Ha ha - if shutting down threads was only that easy! This brings to mind Stacy Julian's infamous rants ended with an emphatic "so there" (like that would shut us up) and another long ago poster actually typing "CLOSED THREAD" in hopes of diverting attention. Nothing brings peas sniffing around more than somebody trying to shut it down. Might as well put out a big neon sign that says DRAMA.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 28, 2016 18:06:00 GMT
lainey : gotcha!! thanks for the explanation! ~Lauren~: now, why did you have to go and get personal?? weren't we having a general discussion??
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 28, 2016 18:06:12 GMT
Do thing bullies should rule at school as well? That the bullied kids should just suck it up? Total apples and oranges. You and the rest of us are adults, don't try and engage me in circles cos it's not gonna wash. Bullies are bullies no matter the age. Now, why isn't it OK for kids to be bullied by other kids? And why do you think it is OK for adults to bully other adults? To me, either this behavior is acceptable or it isn't. Which is it?
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Jun 28, 2016 18:08:33 GMT
And I'll probably regret this, but there it is. That statement just shuts down any discussion. And intentionally used to shut me up. Congratulations on your open mindedness. The whole idea that some of these people on the left are open-minded is laughable. The only people who are entitled to the tolerance they preach are those they either agree with socially and politically or those whose life styles they agree with. That is the reality although I know that they will defend their close mindedness gleefully while parading others for not being open-minded. It's the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen This is why, in the end, conservative simply stop discussing issues and use their votes to put through their own philosophies. And then they wonder how someone like Donald Trump can rise so far You're right. People who standup to bigots, racists, misogynists, and who defend people against the perpetrators of inequality and injustice are intolerant of those behaviors. I proudly wear the "intolerance label". And I vote.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 18:09:37 GMT
Bullies are bullies no matter the age. Now, why isn't it OK for kids to be bullied by other kids? And why do you think it is OK for adults to bully other adults? To me, either this behavior is acceptable or it isn't. Which is it? Ok, do you feel bullied here?
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