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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 21:34:02 GMT
Maybe, but impeachment is just basically leveling charges against the President. Then he has to be tried. So while I think the possibility exists that he MAY be impeached, I think he would either resign before that happened, or in the crazy case that it happened before he could pull a Nixon, then he wouldn't be found guilty. Too many Republicans in Congress. also known as pulling a Bill Clinton
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Post by used2scrap on Feb 15, 2017 21:36:00 GMT
I don't know, but I'm surprised so many think he'll resign. Personally I think he's way to full of himself to ever admit he's in over his head and resigns, that would be a sign of weakness (in his eyes) and he would never do that. I think he'd find resigning "winning" over being forcibly removed.
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Post by jennyap on Feb 15, 2017 21:36:33 GMT
I dunno, but the degree of anger he seems to exhibit can't be good for his health. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he has a heart attack or a stroke if he keeps this up.
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Post by janeliz on Feb 15, 2017 21:38:45 GMT
I don't see any signs that the Republicans would be willing to impeach. I also don't see any signs that the hubris and recklessness we've seen from this administration will abate at all, though. We've got Keystone Cops running the WH. It's not sustainable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 21:42:51 GMT
Yes. I believe this has always been the play. Enact huge cuts to SS, Medicare, Medicaid and enormous tax cuts for the rich (and modest cuts for the middle). Then I believe they'll pull the lever on Trump.
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Post by used2scrap on Feb 15, 2017 21:45:43 GMT
If he does, it won't be until after the midterm elections. By then the Democrats will either have re-taken their house majority due to his shit show or the slimmer Republican majority will feel they can dump him without risking their own seats. I don't think there's any way he will ever step down voluntarily for health reasons or any other. What I'm wondering is, would they have the guts to invoke the 25th Amendment due to the president's mental illness? And how would they prove it? Going that route allows Republicans to get rid of him while still saving face for the party. Interesting, I'd think impeachment for something proven illegal (fact based) would be more palatable for the Republicans then removal for mental deficits (opinion based). Then again what's up is down now and vice versa, so who knows!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 21:47:54 GMT
I don't think he will be impeached. He seems untouchable. And he will never, ever, ever, ever resign. His ego would never allow it.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 15, 2017 21:48:06 GMT
If he does, it won't be until after the midterm elections. By then the Democrats will either have re-taken their house majority due to his shit show or the slimmer Republican majority will feel they can dump him without risking their own seats. I don't think there's any way he will ever step down voluntarily for health reasons or any other. What I'm wondering is, would they have the guts to invoke the 25th Amendment due to the president's mental illness? And how would they prove it? Going that route allows Republicans to get rid of him while still saving face for the party. They don't have to prove it - Pence and a majority of the cabinet simply have to notify Congress that he is unfit. Unless you think he'll fight it. And if it goes to requiring a 2/3 vote by BOTH House and Senate, they'd be way better off impeaching.
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Post by annabella on Feb 15, 2017 21:49:02 GMT
www.9news.com/news/politics/ohio-republican-says-its-time-to-impeach-president-trump/408552705"In any time except our post-factual era, no office holder, much less the president, could get away with any one of the dozens of dazzlingly illegal things Trump has already done. They would forfeit office immediately." "After the election, many hoped that Trump would “grow up” into the job – that he couldn’t possibly be as bad as some thought. Well, it’s gone the other way. The bully has become a more entitled bully. Anyone disagreeing is attacked. Policy is announced in illiterate tweets."
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Post by mom2samlibby on Feb 15, 2017 21:49:58 GMT
No.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 15, 2017 21:51:11 GMT
Yes. I believe this has always been the play. Enact huge cuts to SS, Medicare, Medicaid and enormous tax cuts for the rich (and modest cuts for the middle). Then I believe they'll pull the lever on Trump. Why? Do you think Pence would veto these hypothetical bills? I frankly think there are some Republicans in Senate who are a whole lot less likely to go along with your hypothetical than Pence.
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Post by Merge on Feb 15, 2017 21:54:48 GMT
If he does, it won't be until after the midterm elections. By then the Democrats will either have re-taken their house majority due to his shit show or the slimmer Republican majority will feel they can dump him without risking their own seats. I don't think there's any way he will ever step down voluntarily for health reasons or any other. What I'm wondering is, would they have the guts to invoke the 25th Amendment due to the president's mental illness? And how would they prove it? Going that route allows Republicans to get rid of him while still saving face for the party. Interesting, I'd think impeachment for something proven illegal (fact based) would be more palatable for the Republicans then removal for mental deficits (opinion based). Then again what's up is down now and vice versa, so who knows! Well, in Trump world, nothing he wants to do can be proven illegal by a so-called judge, so I don't think that dog will fight. I was thinking if the Republicans could say that he was mentally ill, that looks better than, "Hey, we elected a criminal but we're going to do something about that now." But who knows.
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Post by Merge on Feb 15, 2017 21:55:55 GMT
If he does, it won't be until after the midterm elections. By then the Democrats will either have re-taken their house majority due to his shit show or the slimmer Republican majority will feel they can dump him without risking their own seats. I don't think there's any way he will ever step down voluntarily for health reasons or any other. What I'm wondering is, would they have the guts to invoke the 25th Amendment due to the president's mental illness? And how would they prove it? Going that route allows Republicans to get rid of him while still saving face for the party. They don't have to prove it - Pence and a majority of the cabinet simply have to notify Congress that he is unfit. Unless you think he'll fight it. And if it goes to requiring a 2/3 vote by BOTH House and Senate, they'd be way better off impeaching. Ah, thank you. I'm sure he'd fight it, so you're right - I think they'd probably be better off impeaching.
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Post by summer on Feb 15, 2017 21:58:24 GMT
I don't see him staying in office for the full 4 year term. I'm not sure if he'll leave due to impeachment or in some other way but I don't feel he will last 4 years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 22:02:52 GMT
Yes. I believe this has always been the play. Enact huge cuts to SS, Medicare, Medicaid and enormous tax cuts for the rich (and modest cuts for the middle). Then I believe they'll pull the lever on Trump. Why? Do you think Pence would veto these hypothetical bills? I frankly think there are some Republicans in Senate who are a whole lot less likely to go along with your hypothetical than Pence. No, but many of Trump's supporters might be more likely to fight against losing their SS/Medicare w/o Trump telling them that it's all good, fine and tremendous.
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Post by PLurker on Feb 15, 2017 22:03:52 GMT
I don't know, but I'm surprised so many think he'll resign. Personally I think he's way to full of himself to ever admit he's in over his head and resigns, that would be a sign of weakness (in his eyes) and he would never do that. I think he'd find resigning "winning" over being forcibly removed. I understand even when he has lost court cases, he has spun it and declared it a "win!". Maybe if the pressure gets to him and the possible outcome of being forced out is worse (in his mind) than finding an excuse and bailing and then declaring "I win!" he would. 'Cuz, as we have learned, if he declares it, it makes it so. Fact!
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Feb 15, 2017 22:05:03 GMT
I was just talking with a friend earlier about this. There is a weird push and pull with Trump. I think he likes being able to say he is president and do what he can to enrich himself and his family, but I also don't think he really wants the job and his waning popularity has to wound him (since adoration matters so much to him). I think he's jealous of Clinton - I think he wanted to win the popular vote, but lose the election so he could say he won, go off and be the martyr, but not actually have to be president.
As things stand, I don't think he will be impeached. But I also don't think what we've seen so far is sustainable for a whole term. His ego won't let him resign, but I wouldn't be surprised if he took an out that somebody engineered for him.
I don't think he has nearly as much money as he says he does and part of being president was going to be helping him gain traction back with his finances and capitalizing on his position (similar to Melania and her recent lawsuit). I don't know how his "businesses" or branding are doing now, but if they take hits and things start to turn, I wonder how long he will want to stick with it. The sooner he gets out, the better off he'll be making money in the private sector. But the longer the shenanigans go on and he continues to tarnish his reputation, I think that hurts him financially in the long term.
Also, what do you peas think will really happen in midterms? If you look at the senate map, it greatly favors the Republicans. And I'm not sure what to think about the house (gerrymandering has really affected districts). I think we're seeing a lot of unhappy people and representatives aren't holding town halls, listening to constituents, etc. and that easily could translate into high turnout in midterms and a change. But I also wonder how realistic it is for districts to flip. At they very least, I think some of the Republicans have left themselves open to other Republican challengers.
ETA: after all that rambling I didn't even answer the question. As things stand, I don't think he will be impeached. The Republicans haven't shown any interest and I think they have put party above all. But you never know ... I think if things continue to fall apart at this rate and people are still angry, it could happen. I think outcomes hinge on healthcare.
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Post by IAmUnoriginal on Feb 15, 2017 22:08:38 GMT
I don't know, but I'm surprised so many think he'll resign. Personally I think he's way to full of himself to ever admit he's in over his head and resigns, that would be a sign of weakness (in his eyes) and he would never do that. I, too, think he'll resign. But, to do it, he'll spin it. He can get more done in the private sector. Leaving it to Pence to deal with the politics and red tape, and he'll be working behind the scenes in the private sector. I don't think Trump will last because of boredom and frustration. He's accustomed to saying what he wants and having it done. He hasn't worked within any sort of system where the end results take time. Passing bills is going to frustrate the heck out of him. I think he's going to get very upset if his executive orders keep getting shut down in court. I don't see him having the patience for the full four years.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Feb 15, 2017 22:10:12 GMT
I don't know, but I'm surprised so many think he'll resign. Personally I think he's way to full of himself to ever admit he's in over his head and resigns, that would be a sign of weakness (in his eyes) and he would never do that. I, too, think he'll resign. But, to do it, he'll spin it. He can get more done in the private sector. Leaving it to Pence to deal with the politics and red tape, and he'll be working behind the scenes in the private sector. I don't think Trump will last because of boredom and frustration. He's accustomed to saying what he wants and having it done. He hasn't worked within any sort of system where the end results take time. Passing bills is going to frustrate the heck out of him. I think he's going to get very upset if his executive orders keep getting shut down in court. I don't see him having the patience for the full four years. ITA! And I don't know if he physically can handle four years. It's a rough job on anybody, but I don't think he's in that great of shape to begin with to handle the stress coming his way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 22:18:09 GMT
I believe it's a distinct possibility. It will depend on how entangled things are with Russia, if anything could rise to the level of treason.
There are many establishment Republicans who would love to see Trump go. He has very few enthusiastic supporters among them. The only one I could think of off the top of my head was Sessions, and he's not in the Senate any longer to stop a conviction if it came down to that. McCain, Collins and Graham would probably lead the charge to convict.
But the House will be trickier. Mid-term elections will probably play a part if Trump lasts that long.
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Post by imsirius on Feb 15, 2017 22:22:43 GMT
Hoping yes. Will it happen..not enirely convinced. He is the GOP puppet and until they get their agenda pushed through, I think they will keep him around.
He may get an attempt on his life first. That might be more of a reality unfortunately.
I know he will never resign. That would be admitting defeat and he isnt about to do that ever.
It is ironic that any other President doing the things he does and with the number of conflicts of interest, would have been ousted by now.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 15, 2017 22:27:51 GMT
I think the mess with Flynn is just the tip of the iceberg, and when more comes to light (which it will, because that kind of stuff always works its way to the surface) the Republicans aren't going to be able to ignore it anymore.
People are already starting to hold their feet to the fire over what has happened so far, and if you add together the people who voted for Clinton and those who didn't vote at all, there are way more non-Trumpers than Trumpers. If they start messing with Social Security and Medicare, all of the people currently relying on those programs will be totally up in arms. I'm sure they realize that the demographic that takes advantage of SS and Medicare are the ones who get out and vote in the greatest numbers, so there's no way they're going to be able to survive the midterms if they tick off (or ignore) that entire segment of society.
I think one way or another, Trump is definitely going down. The question is, how many Republicans is he going to take down with him?
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 15, 2017 22:29:17 GMT
Hoping yes. Will it happen..not enirely convinced. He is the GOP puppet and until they get their agenda pushed through, I think they will keep him around. He may get an attempt on his life first. That might be more of a reality unfortunately. I know he will never resign. That would be admitting defeat and he isnt about to do that ever. It is ironic that any other President doing the things he does and with the number of conflicts of interest, would have been ousted by now. Anyone else never would have made it in in the first place.
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Post by mrssmith on Feb 15, 2017 22:31:08 GMT
I was just talking with a friend earlier about this. There is a weird push and pull with Trump. I think he likes being able to say he is president and do what he can to enrich himself and his family, but I also don't think he really wants the job and his waning popularity has to wound him (since adoration matters so much to him). I think he's jealous of Clinton - I think he wanted to win the popular vote, but lose the election so he could say he won, go off and be the martyr, but not actually have to be president. Re: waning popularity - I think that's why he's having a "rally" in FL this weekend. Ego boost. I'm sure there will be a tweet about the thousands of supporters the fake news media isn't reporting about. I never thought he actually wanted the job. ITA with your assessment. Save
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 15, 2017 22:38:49 GMT
This morning on one of the news channels a commentator was saying that until trumps approval ratings go down even more, the republicans will stick by him so they don't disenfranchise his base. But if his support goes away, they will also not support him. It's all about whether or not they will get re-elected. Party over country.
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Post by casii on Feb 15, 2017 22:41:14 GMT
I can't answer about impeachment, but at the rate things are going now, his presidency isn't sustainable for a healthy America.
I also think if this were any other president, his head would be on a plate. It is my sincere hope that there isn't an attempt on his life. The thought of a crowd of angry gun toters declaring themselves vigilantes to avenge his death scares the hell out of me. If you saw what my father posts on his Facebook, you'd know he'd be among that crowd.
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Post by Restless Spirit on Feb 15, 2017 22:53:34 GMT
I think it's too early to call.
I do wonder about his longitivity in office. On one hand, he really didn't want Mike Pence as his VP. I'm not sure his ego would allow him to voluntarily turn the presidency over to Pence. I think the Talking Yam really does display a lot of characteristics of a narcissistic personality along with egocentrism and paranoia. I'm not sure how he can sustain this high level of anxiety since he is 70 years old and overweight.
As far as ddt being the Republicans puppet, well yes, he is. And they're having lots of fun manipulating and using him. However I'm not sure that they really need him. Mike Pence is the consummate conservative Republican. He's an extreme conservative and a career politician. I think the Republican Party would get behind him and support him. But they would need to get him in before mid term. Mike Pence will set us back to the 1950s. He's pro gun, pro charter school, pro voucher and anti public school. He is anti-abortion and wants to defund Planned Parenthood. He is a strong proponent of "religious freedoms" which is another, nicer way of saying he is anti-LGBT rights. He would like to see Roe v. Wade overturned and is skeptical of climate change. The thought of having him as president makes me shudder.
As LucyG says - we're doomed.
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Post by justkat on Feb 15, 2017 22:56:11 GMT
Do I think he *should* be impeached? Yes. Do I think he *will* be impeached? No.
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Post by MichyM on Feb 15, 2017 23:05:30 GMT
I've never thought that he actually WANTED to be president. So I do not see him making it 4 years. I honestly think he'll resign before a possible impeachment comes to fruition.
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Post by papersilly on Feb 15, 2017 23:13:07 GMT
I've never thought that he actually WANTED to be president. So I do not see him making it 4 years. I honestly think he'll resign before a possible impeachment comes to fruition. i want to believe he will quit, i want him to quit but as arrogant as he is, do you think he could bear a legacy of being a quitter? impeachment charges can be started but i could also see him dragging it so the clock runs out on his term.
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