keithurbanlovinpea
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Feb 16, 2017 17:16:26 GMT
I predicted this very thing I'm one of my posts shortly after he was elected. I stand by that view
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imsirius
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Post by imsirius on Feb 16, 2017 17:20:40 GMT
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Post by salem on Feb 16, 2017 17:28:05 GMT
I am beginning to believe that congress will lot impeach no matter what he does, unless there is massive turnover in the midterm elections. What I find more and more possible is an assassination attempt. He is pissing off too many countries, and some of those have no reservations about taking out another country's leader. And if he keeps attacking the intelligence community, I'm not so sure they would pass along threats to the SS if they heard about such plans. I agree with this post completely. I keep wondering just who's going to take one for the team, and if Trump keeps running his mouth, there will be several willing to take that on.
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Feb 16, 2017 17:38:50 GMT
That's really interesting, thanks for sharing. I didn't realize it was actually listed as a mental disorder. Can you clarify something that was brought up earlier in the thread about having Trump removed for being mentally unfit, especially as another poster listed a link where two Harvard psychologists were labeling him as having a mental illness. No one can actually diagnose someone unless they have examined the person, correct? I despise Trump and think he acts crazy and recklessly, but I think people announcing via the press and "diagnosing" him with mental illness might be a little....rude? I was just wondering what your opinion is on that is as a psychologist. I'm not elaine but they don't have to have him officially diagnosed to enact the 25th amendment. If the vice-president and 8 of the cabinet members deem him unfit (subjectively) they write a letter to Congress and then the process starts. He would most likely have himself examined to prove that he IS fit. Or maybe Congress can demand he is seen? This article explains it a bit more.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/9/14488980/25th-amendment-trump-pence
Thanks for the explanation, I was wondering the same thing. With the key phrase being "Vice President & 8 Cabinet members", though, I don't give it much hope.
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Post by lizacreates on Feb 16, 2017 17:42:11 GMT
I’ve always maintained Trump will not be impeached. And believe me, I so want to be proven wrong.
First, the Repubs do not want the stain of impeachment of their own party leader – that’s political suicide (if this was Clinton, they would have been on it like white on rice from day one).
Second, Repubs are not concerned about 2018. Here’s why: Dems need to defend 23-25 seats. Repubs only need to defend 8. With what we know now, it’s unlikely Dems will capture the majority.
Third, as Nancy Pelosi said, we need a crime. There is no crime. As reprehensible as Trump’s (and admin’s) actions and cover-up have been, there is no crime. Yet. However, all bets are off if the intelligence community reveals even more damning information, something that will connect all the disparate dots of this “Russia issue” with Trump squarely in the middle of it. (And if Trump continues with his really, really dumb tactic of crucifying the intelligence community, it’s likely.) As much of a lunatic as Trump is, note that he did not disobey the court’s temporary restraining order on his travel ban.
Fourth, his base is unlikely to turn against him despite what polls say about his declining popularity. The only time they will turn is if he does not deliver the jobs and the healthcare replacement he promised. His base doesn’t care about Russia, or Trump’s defense of Putin, or the media.
Fifth, even if every single one of the Dems pull together and demand an impeachment it will be regarded merely as a party-line effort to regain political control.
My hope is that the job continues to stress and bore Trump to the point where he loses enthusiasm and quits for whatever reason. Right now, he can’t even sustain working past Friday without needing to go to Mar-a-Lago to recharge. Maybe he thought he’d just have to put on a few “shows” (such as the “drama” of signing EOs, rallies, etc.) but never have to settle down to the unglamorous and mundane tasks of running a country. He thrives on adulation and he’s not getting it right now, so perhaps, the uncontroversial factors of disenchantment and boredom may be what will ultimately make him quit. And somehow, some way, he’ll spin it as a success to save face.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 16, 2017 17:50:19 GMT
I’ve always maintained Trump will not be impeached. And believe me, I so want to be proven wrong. First, the Repubs do not want the stain of impeachment of their own party leader – that’s political suicide (if this was Clinton, they would have been on it like white on rice from day one). Second, Repubs are not concerned about 2018. Here’s why: Dems need to defend 23-25 seats. Repubs only need to defend 8. With what we know now, it’s unlikely Dems will capture the majority. Third, as Nancy Pelosi said, we need a crime. There is no crime. As reprehensible as Trump’s (and admin’s) actions and cover-up have been, there is no crime. Yet. However, all bets are off if the intelligence community reveals even more damning information, something that will connect all the disparate dots of this “Russia issue” with Trump squarely in the middle of it. (And if Trump continues with his really, really dumb tactic of crucifying the intelligence community, it’s likely.) As much of a lunatic as Trump is, note that he did not disobey the court’s temporary restraining order on his travel ban. Fourth, his base is unlikely to turn against him despite what polls say about his declining popularity. The only time they will turn is if he does not deliver the jobs and the healthcare replacement he promised. His base doesn’t care about Russia, or Trump’s defense of Putin, or the media. Fifth, even if every single one of the Dems pull together and demand an impeachment it will be regarded merely as a party-line effort to regain political control. My hope is that the job continues to stress and bore Trump to the point where he loses enthusiasm and quits for whatever reason. Right now, he can’t even sustain working past Friday without needing to go to Mar-a-Lago to recharge. Maybe he thought he’d just have to put on a few “shows” (such as the “drama” of signing EOs, rallies, etc.) but never have to settle down to the unglamorous and mundane tasks of running a country. He thrives on adulation and he’s not getting it right now, so perhaps, the uncontroversial factors of disenchantment and boredom may be what will ultimately make him quit. And somehow, some way, he’ll spin it as a success to save face. I agree with most of this except not being worried about 2018. Your comment is true about Senate, but all seats go up in the house every 2 years - and if history is any judge - Americans do not like one party controlling both the house, senate and the White House. Even if Trump was popular, I'd expect the Reps to lose seats in House and it is likely to look a lot like 2010.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Feb 16, 2017 18:12:37 GMT
I’ve always maintained Trump will not be impeached. And believe me, I so want to be proven wrong. First, the Repubs do not want the stain of impeachment of their own party leader – that’s political suicide (if this was Clinton, they would have been on it like white on rice from day one). Second, Repubs are not concerned about 2018. Here’s why: Dems need to defend 23-25 seats. Repubs only need to defend 8. With what we know now, it’s unlikely Dems will capture the majority. Third, as Nancy Pelosi said, we need a crime. There is no crime. As reprehensible as Trump’s (and admin’s) actions and cover-up have been, there is no crime. Yet. However, all bets are off if the intelligence community reveals even more damning information, something that will connect all the disparate dots of this “Russia issue” with Trump squarely in the middle of it. (And if Trump continues with his really, really dumb tactic of crucifying the intelligence community, it’s likely.) As much of a lunatic as Trump is, note that he did not disobey the court’s temporary restraining order on his travel ban. Fourth, his base is unlikely to turn against him despite what polls say about his declining popularity. The only time they will turn is if he does not deliver the jobs and the healthcare replacement he promised. His base doesn’t care about Russia, or Trump’s defense of Putin, or the media. Fifth, even if every single one of the Dems pull together and demand an impeachment it will be regarded merely as a party-line effort to regain political control. My hope is that the job continues to stress and bore Trump to the point where he loses enthusiasm and quits for whatever reason. Right now, he can’t even sustain working past Friday without needing to go to Mar-a-Lago to recharge. Maybe he thought he’d just have to put on a few “shows” (such as the “drama” of signing EOs, rallies, etc.) but never have to settle down to the unglamorous and mundane tasks of running a country. He thrives on adulation and he’s not getting it right now, so perhaps, the uncontroversial factors of disenchantment and boredom may be what will ultimately make him quit. And somehow, some way, he’ll spin it as a success to save face. I agree with most of this except not being worried about 2018. Your comment is true about Senate, but all seats go up in the house every 2 years - and if history is any judge - Americans do not like one party controlling both the house, senate and the White House. Even if Trump was popular, I'd expect the Reps to lose seats in House and it is likely to look a lot like 2010. I think Republicans will easily keep the senate, but the House has more wiggle room. I think it will hinge on healthcare. Although 2018 is a really long time off in Trump years, so who knows what will happen before then.
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Post by elaine on Feb 16, 2017 18:39:42 GMT
NPD is particular type of personality disorder which is one category of mental disorders. Just like "cancer" is one category of physical disorders and lung cancer is a particular/specific type. So, yes, NPD is just as much a mental disorder as schizophrenia or antisocial personality disorder (Ted Bundy). That's really interesting, thanks for sharing. I didn't realize it was actually listed as a mental disorder. Can you clarify something that was brought up earlier in the thread about having Trump removed for being mentally unfit, especially as another poster listed a link where two Harvard psychologists were labeling him as having a mental illness. No one can actually diagnose someone unless they have examined the person, correct? I despise Trump and think he acts crazy and recklessly, but I think people announcing via the press and "diagnosing" him with mental illness might be a little....rude? I was just wondering what your opinion is on that is as a psychologist. It is completely unprofessional, and some would say unethical, to make a definitive professional diagnosis of someone you have never seen. That said, I would have to see the exact language used by the psychologists. They may actually have said things like "Trump's behavior X is often seen in persons with Narcissistic Personality Disorder." Or "Behavior X is a hallmark of Narcissistic Personality Disorder." Both those statements are okay, they are describing behavior seen that fits that diagnosis without actually diagnosing Trump, but the lay public will summarize and repeat those lines to say "Dr. Q says Trump has NPD." If they clearly have said, "Trump suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder," that would be wrong, not just rude, and could result in a loss of license.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 16, 2017 18:44:57 GMT
FYI, here's the text of the letter to the editor from the two psychologists-- it's pretty short, and doesn't actually diagnose anything.
"Charles M. Blow (column, nytimes.com, Feb. 9) describes Donald Trump’s constant need “to grind the opposition underfoot.” As mental health professionals, we share Mr. Blow’s concern.
Silence from the country’s mental health organizations has been due to a self-imposed dictum about evaluating public figures (the American Psychiatric Association’s 1973 Goldwater Rule). But this silence has resulted in a failure to lend our expertise to worried journalists and members of Congress at this critical time. We fear that too much is at stake to be silent any longer.
Mr. Trump’s speech and actions demonstrate an inability to tolerate views different from his own, leading to rage reactions. His words and behavior suggest a profound inability to empathize. Individuals with these traits distort reality to suit their psychological state, attacking facts and those who convey them (journalists, scientists).
In a powerful leader, these attacks are likely to increase, as his personal myth of greatness appears to be confirmed. We believe that the grave emotional instability indicated by Mr. Trump’s speech and actions makes him incapable of serving safely as president.
LANCE DODES
JOSEPH SCHACHTER
Beverly Hills, Calif.
Dr. Dodes is a retired assistant clinical professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. Dr. Schachter is a former chairman of the Committee on Research Proposals, International Psychoanalytic Association. The letter was also signed by 33 other psychiatrists, psychologists and social workers.
Correction: February 16, 2017
A letter on Tuesday about President Trump’s mental health misstated the number of co-signers, in addition to the two lead signers. It was 33, not 35."
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Post by elaine on Feb 16, 2017 18:50:03 GMT
FYI, here's the text of the letter to the editor from the two psychologists-- it's pretty short, and doesn't actually diagnose anything. "Charles M. Blow (column, nytimes.com, Feb. 9) describes Donald Trump’s constant need “to grind the opposition underfoot.” As mental health professionals, we share Mr. Blow’s concern. Silence from the country’s mental health organizations has been due to a self-imposed dictum about evaluating public figures (the American Psychiatric Association’s 1973 Goldwater Rule). But this silence has resulted in a failure to lend our expertise to worried journalists and members of Congress at this critical time. We fear that too much is at stake to be silent any longer. Mr. Trump’s speech and actions demonstrate an inability to tolerate views different from his own, leading to rage reactions. His words and behavior suggest a profound inability to empathize. Individuals with these traits distort reality to suit their psychological state, attacking facts and those who convey them (journalists, scientists). In a powerful leader, these attacks are likely to increase, as his personal myth of greatness appears to be confirmed. We believe that the grave emotional instability indicated by Mr. Trump’s speech and actions makes him incapable of serving safely as president. LANCE DODES JOSEPH SCHACHTER Beverly Hills, Calif. Dr. Dodes is a retired assistant clinical professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. Dr. Schachter is a former chairman of the Committee on Research Proposals, International Psychoanalytic Association. The letter was also signed by 33 other psychiatrists, psychologists and social workers. Correction: February 16, 2017 A letter on Tuesday about President Trump’s mental health misstated the number of co-signers, in addition to the two lead signers. It was 33, not 35." Okay, this is the type of language I expected. They don't diagnose Trump, and use tentative language - e.g., suggests, demonstrates, etc. So, IMO, nothing unprofessional or unethical was said.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 19:30:47 GMT
This makes interesting reading about his and the family's finances. LINK Deutsche Bank is still under investigation.
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Post by likescarrots on Feb 16, 2017 19:39:09 GMT
Not unless he starts blocking republican policy, which i think is unlikely to happen. I honestly think there is nothing else he can do that would make them ashamed enough to get rid of him. I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by PLurker on Feb 16, 2017 20:13:15 GMT
This makes interesting reading about his and the family's finances. LINK Deutsche Bank is still under investigation. He wanted attention, he's getting it.
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Post by lisae on Feb 16, 2017 20:42:37 GMT
I haven't read all the responses. To answer the OP's question, Yes, I think he will be impeached. It's been less than a month and look how much of a mess he has made already. The tenuous alliances he got by default as the Republican candidate are starting to break. I think Pence is probably already pulling together his own supporters in the establishment just waiting for Trump to screw up badly enough to get rid of him. Washington did not want Trump and they still don't want him.
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Post by micheley on Feb 16, 2017 21:05:14 GMT
Okay now I'm depressed.
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Post by redrulz on Feb 17, 2017 1:49:11 GMT
That's really interesting, thanks for sharing. I didn't realize it was actually listed as a mental disorder. Can you clarify something that was brought up earlier in the thread about having Trump removed for being mentally unfit, especially as another poster listed a link where two Harvard psychologists were labeling him as having a mental illness. No one can actually diagnose someone unless they have examined the person, correct? I despise Trump and think he acts crazy and recklessly, but I think people announcing via the press and "diagnosing" him with mental illness might be a little....rude? I was just wondering what your opinion is on that is as a psychologist. It is completely unprofessional, and some would say unethical, to make a definitive professional diagnosis of someone you have never seen. That said, I would have to see the exact language used by the psychologists. They may actually have said things like "Trump's behavior X is often seen in persons with Narcissistic Personality Disorder." Or "Behavior X is a hallmark of Narcissistic Personality Disorder." Both those statements are okay, they are describing behavior seen that fits that diagnosis without actually diagnosing Trump, but the lay public will summarize and repeat those lines to say "Dr. Q says Trump has NPD." If they clearly have said, "Trump suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder," that would be wrong, not just rude, and could result in a loss of license. Thank you so much for your response! That makes a lot of sense.
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Post by jillonthehill on Feb 17, 2017 3:21:17 GMT
He will not make it the entire 4 years. If not impeachment, he will leave office some other way. Assassination has been mentioned and I've heard other people say he will quit. Mental breakdown maybe? Heart attack?
There is no way he makes it to 2020. No way.
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