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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2017 18:12:40 GMT
How did the anthem at sporting events even start? Why is that some ride or die place to express our love for country and support for our troops? I have an immense amount love and respect but am not bothered or offended by folks kneeling during the anthem. No boycotting here. I am proud of the stance our team has taken, both this year and last. I support anyone's right to peaceful protest. Be that a football player who kneels or a fan who decides to boycott. I don't know how it started, but I would think it represents unity as a country. Yes, we are going to play each other and hate each other during this time frame, but we are all still members of the country.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 18:14:17 GMT
I was wondering how the anthem started at sporting events also, and found this from MLB: MLB-AnthemI'm wondering if there's more to the story, because I'm not understanding how kneeling during the anthem is making a statement because of how it started in the first place?
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2017 18:20:52 GMT
I was wondering how the anthem started at sporting events also, and found this from MLB: MLB-AnthemI'm wondering if there's more to the story, because I'm not understanding how kneeling during the anthem is making a statement because of how it started in the first place? I never knew that. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 24, 2017 18:28:34 GMT
It isn't any better than college football. With scandals in recent years with Ohio State, Penn State and many others, sexual assaults by athletes, and numerous universities paying to play. Not to mention the stupid committees they have that determine who goes to a national championship. I usually only pay attention to the Superbowl and more so to the commercials.
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Post by pondrunner on Sept 24, 2017 18:33:03 GMT
I'm so confused by this. I have a friend boycotting because they are mad the NFL isn't firing players for treason when they don't stand for the anthem. I have another friend boycotting because they are mad Kaepernick doesn't have a contract.
I don't like football so I don't care about the NFL but I have students who won't say the Pledge and teachers that won't make them and I'm all for a bit of disobedience at times.
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Post by peasapie on Sept 24, 2017 18:43:52 GMT
The people I know who love football are still watching football.
The people who don't care much about football still don't care too much about football.
The rest just seems like noise to me.
On a slightly tangential note, I'm tired of hearing the BS about how sports stars and movie stars and music stars make so much money and therefore shouldn't have or express political opinions like everyone else in this world. We're all allowed to have a career AND an opinion. People in the public eye who open their mouths are putting their money where their mouths are, and I respect that even if I disagree with their opinion.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2017 19:18:07 GMT
I'm so confused by this. I have a friend boycotting because they are mad the NFL isn't firing players for treason when they don't stand for the anthem. I have another friend boycotting because they are mad Kaepernick doesn't have a contract. I don't like football so I don't care about the NFL but I have students who won't say the Pledge and teachers that won't make them and I'm all for a bit of disobedience at times. the pledge is a HUGE issue at my school right now.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2017 19:19:05 GMT
The people I know who love football are still watching football. The people who don't care much about football still don't care too much about football. The rest just seems like noise to me. On a slightly tangential note, I'm tired of hearing the BS about how sports stars and movie stars and music stars make so much money and therefore shouldn't have or express political opinions like everyone else in this world. We're all allowed to have a career AND an opinion. People in the public eye who open their mouths are putting their money where their mouths are, and I respect that even if I disagree with their opinion.
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Post by disneypal on Sept 24, 2017 19:21:47 GMT
Kap isn't signed because he took a knee. He isn't signed because he isn't great and wasn't a good leader on the field. He had one good year. People don't talk about his great throws or his ability to run the ball. What they talk about is his right to express his point of view. That says a lot about his situation. I won't boycott because a cry baby president told me to do it. I'm more inclined to tune in if it annoys him. I try never to miss a Broncos game. I'm not ashamed of that. Amen, sister - I totally agree with everything you said, except I root for the Falcons.
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Post by CarolinaGirl71 on Sept 24, 2017 19:22:51 GMT
Is it really a boycott if I never watched in the first place? Although I must say that I've never had a job that I could express my political views while on the job. I feel like the players should make the protests on their own time in whatever way they wish, but they should respect our country and our flag while being paid millions of dollars to play a game. JMHO!
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Post by colleen on Sept 24, 2017 19:43:02 GMT
I'm going to the Cowboys/Cardinals game tomorrow and I will proudly stand with my hand over my heart for our national anthem and I will support those that choose to protest. That's what our country is all about even if our president can't grasp the concept.
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Post by huskergal on Sept 24, 2017 19:48:21 GMT
I will support them more just to piss Trump off.
On the CTE issue. I am more concerned with it at the youth and college level. I don't think young children should be playing tackle football. Flag is fine.
At the high school level, I think they really need to get the best helmets to protect the kids. College as well. These are student athletes, not just athletes.
At the pro level, I figure there are many jobs that people choose to do knowing the risks. If a player chooses to get paid to play football, that is their choice. They are adults. I do think having safety measures in places is a good thing.
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Post by pondrunner on Sept 24, 2017 19:52:52 GMT
I'm so confused by this. I have a friend boycotting because they are mad the NFL isn't firing players for treason when they don't stand for the anthem. I have another friend boycotting because they are mad Kaepernick doesn't have a contract. I don't like football so I don't care about the NFL but I have students who won't say the Pledge and teachers that won't make them and I'm all for a bit of disobedience at times. the pledge is a HUGE issue at my school right now. Most of the issue in our school with the pledge is around religion. My school has a number of students from a religious group that doesn't swear oaths. A few teachers are a bit political about it and feel it's indoctrination and won't teach their students that they are supposed to say it. Frankly I am okay with all of it because I think teachers and students should think for themselves.
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Post by PNWMom on Sept 24, 2017 19:54:56 GMT
An entirely insignificant number of people will say they are boycotting the NFL, most of whom were not serious fans. Others will say they are boycotting, but not actually change their football watching habits at all. According to data on ESPN (which has a tracker going back to 2001), attendance league-wide is doing just fine. From 80% for the crappiest team (LA) up to 115% for Dallas. Many teams with over 100% attendance because tickets are bought and then resold by secondary sellers--the ticket is in effect sold twice. 13 teams have 100% or higher attendance. Go ahead and burn your (already paid for) jerseys and tear up your (already paid for) tickets. There is a line a mile long waiting to get season tickets for many teams. I know the Seahawks capped their wait list years ago--people would pay $100 to be on the waitlist, but so many thousands of people wanted on it, they no longer let people join (pretty sure it is still capped). I know people who've been waiting for many years on that list. At the same time, we got our season tickets back in 2000, when our team was not good and there was no waiting list (and we paid about 20% of what we currently pay for our tickets).
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Post by myshelly on Sept 24, 2017 19:56:05 GMT
I'm so confused by this. I have a friend boycotting because they are mad the NFL isn't firing players for treason when they don't stand for the anthem. I have another friend boycotting because they are mad Kaepernick doesn't have a contract. I don't like football so I don't care about the NFL but I have students who won't say the Pledge and teachers that won't make them and I'm all for a bit of disobedience at times. the pledge is a HUGE issue at my school right now. How is it an issue?
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Post by tinydogmafia on Sept 24, 2017 19:58:09 GMT
For those of you who say Kap isn't signed because he sucks...how do you explain the Dolphins signing freaking JAY CUTLER who admitted that he wasn't in shape and didn't plan to get in shape? Or those who seriously looked at Johnny Manziel? If you don't think Kap is being overlooked because of his stance on social causes, you aren't looking very hard.Sorry we'll have to agree to disagree. No need for me "Look harder." lol That's offensive on so many levels, BTW. I'm pretty well read and I'm an NFL fan. How much harder would you like me to look? I live in south Florida and can tell you that Miami didn't overlook Kap because of his kneeling. They've had bigger issue players in Miami like Ricky Williams, for one. They aren't afraid of some controversy. They took Cutler as their QB! (That's one thing we can agree on for sure!) Lots of teams take on serious challenges with the players they deem worthy of withstanding the backlash. Michael Vick anyone? And who looked seriously at Johnny Manziel and where exactly is he playing now? lol
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2017 20:08:28 GMT
For those boycotting over the knee, would it be better to remove the anthem from pre-game?
Fwiw on this issue, I refuse to stand for God Bless America at baseball games. It is not our national anthem, is not inclusive, and has stupid lyrics.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 24, 2017 20:28:17 GMT
On a slightly tangential note, I'm tired of hearing the BS about how sports stars and movie stars and music stars make so much money and therefore shouldn't have or express political opinions like everyone else in this world. We're all allowed to have a career AND an opinion. People in the public eye who open their mouths are putting their money where their mouths are, and I respect that even if I disagree with their opinion. That's what I keep saying and thinking. What does your occupation and wealth have to do with anyone having and opinion and the right to express it. They have the as much right to speak as anyone and we have the right to listen or not and agree or not. I've heard people complain that they have not political experience so they should just sing, dance, act or whatever they are paid to do. Really? Which other occupations get no voice?
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 24, 2017 20:31:45 GMT
On a slightly tangential note, I'm tired of hearing the BS about how sports stars and movie stars and music stars make so much money and therefore shouldn't have or express political opinions like everyone else in this world. We're all allowed to have a career AND an opinion. People in the public eye who open their mouths are putting their money where their mouths are, and I respect that even if I disagree with their opinion. That's what I keep saying and thinking. What does your occupation and wealth have to do with anyone having and opinion and the right to express it. They have the as much right to speak as anyone and we have the right to listen or not and agree or not. I've heard people complain that they have not political experience so they should just sing, dance, act or whatever they are paid to do. Really? Which other occupations get no voice? I really think it is only a concern if the speaker does not represent your pic. Some hate Ted Nugent for his politics and some hate Meryl Streep for hers. Just depends on where you land. Personally, a celebrities opinions don't matter much to me. I will listen if they are using facts to try to educate, but not if they are just spouting their opinion.
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Post by psiluvu on Sept 24, 2017 20:48:52 GMT
I can't believe that with all that is wrong in the NFL and in the world today, that taking a knee is what has people all up in arms. We watch NFL, CFL and college football here. We love football in our house. We also try very hard to avoid news about your president especially his tweets. He is such a tool.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 24, 2017 20:59:45 GMT
That's what I keep saying and thinking. What does your occupation and wealth have to do with anyone having and opinion and the right to express it. They have the as much right to speak as anyone and we have the right to listen or not and agree or not. I've heard people complain that they have not political experience so they should just sing, dance, act or whatever they are paid to do. Really? Which other occupations get no voice? I really think it is only a concern if the speaker does not represent your pic. Some hate Ted Nugent for his politics and some hate Meryl Streep for hers. Just depends on where you land.Personally, a celebrities opinions don't matter much to me. I will listen if they are using facts to try to educate, but not if they are just spouting their opinion. Probably true- which would explain why people it seems the right/conservatives complain about celebrities more because 'Hollywood' seems to lean more left/liberal. Yet when FOX has conservative celebrities they are marched out and flaunted just as those they complain about. Double standard. It goes both ways. I still think (hope?) most of us are somewhere in the 'middle' but the the edges are the noisiest- and perhaps the most dangerous. When I hear a celebrity speak I may or may not listen just like I would anyone else. They may have a new interesting insight to consider or nothing at all, just like everyone else.
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Post by AnotherPea on Sept 24, 2017 21:00:40 GMT
I'm so confused by this. I have a friend boycotting because they are mad the NFL isn't firing players for treason when they don't stand for the anthem. I have another friend boycotting because they are mad Kaepernick doesn't have a contract. I don't like football so I don't care about the NFL but I have students who won't say the Pledge and teachers that won't make them and I'm all for a bit of disobedience at times. Teachers can't make them. And not standing isn't disobedience. If you're in a public school, that is. I require students to be respectful during the pledge. Which they can be while seated.
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Post by jenis40 on Sept 24, 2017 21:05:06 GMT
That's what I keep saying and thinking. What does your occupation and wealth have to do with anyone having and opinion and the right to express it. They have the as much right to speak as anyone and we have the right to listen or not and agree or not. I've heard people complain that they have not political experience so they should just sing, dance, act or whatever they are paid to do. Really? Which other occupations get no voice? I really think it is only a concern if the speaker does not represent your pic. Some hate Ted Nugent for his politics and some hate Meryl Streep for hers. Just depends on where you land. Personally, a celebrities opinions don't matter much to me. I will listen if they are using facts to try to educate, but not if they are just spouting their opinion. Personally I don't understand this either. If general you don't agree with the celebrity's opinion you're well within your rights to state why you don't agree but you look like a flippen moron if your reason is that celebrities shouldn't have an opinion. You have the choice to not watch, listen etc. I like Toby Keith's music but I thought he was kind of a tool to play at Trump's inauguration. I still listen to his music though and i don't feel the need to burn his CD's or protest his concerts. Hate Ted Nugent's music and opinions so I don't listen to his music. I'm still not going to protest his right to say whatever offensive thing he wants, I just change the channel.
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Post by AnotherPea on Sept 24, 2017 21:06:40 GMT
On a slightly tangential note, I'm tired of hearing the BS about how sports stars and movie stars and music stars make so much money and therefore shouldn't have or express political opinions like everyone else in this world. We're all allowed to have a career AND an opinion. People in the public eye who open their mouths are putting their money where their mouths are, and I respect that even if I disagree with their opinion. That's what I keep saying and thinking. What does your occupation and wealth have to do with anyone having and opinion and the right to express it. They have the as much right to speak as anyone and we have the right to listen or not and agree or not. I've heard people complain that they have not political experience so they should just sing, dance, act or whatever they are paid to do. Really? Which other occupations get no voice? I think everyone gets a voice. It just irritates me when celebrities hog the mic. It is as though some of them think, hey, I'm special, so my opinion must be too. Or, since so many people love me, I must be right. I tend to side with the school of thought that says I'm paying you to entertain me, not lecture at me. However, on the flip side, I do admire it when celebrities lend their fame to good causes. Raising money and/or awareness. To them, something in the political arena might be just as good of a cause as cancer research or international orphans.
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Post by scrapsotime on Sept 24, 2017 21:09:17 GMT
Someone on FB posted picture of cowboys at a rodeo during the National Anthem saying they were more patriotic than the NFL players. These cowboys had removed their hats, but they were all sitting on their horses. I didn't comment, but I wanted to say shouldn't they be standing since this whole thing is about standing and if it is then they should get their sitting butts off their horses and stand.
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Post by pondrunner on Sept 24, 2017 21:10:54 GMT
I'm so confused by this. I have a friend boycotting because they are mad the NFL isn't firing players for treason when they don't stand for the anthem. I have another friend boycotting because they are mad Kaepernick doesn't have a contract. I don't like football so I don't care about the NFL but I have students who won't say the Pledge and teachers that won't make them and I'm all for a bit of disobedience at times. Teachers can't make them. And not standing isn't disobedience. If you're in a public school, that is. I require students to be respectful during the pledge. Which they can be while seated. I don't expect teachers to make them. There is a cultural and social expectation that the pledge be said and I am oft surprised by the vehemence of this position. To reject that expectation very much feels like an act of disobedience much like taking a knee feels like an act of disobedience to a cultural and social norm that in reality serves quite little purpose but is very much held tightly in the expectations of many. No one would cal it treasonous if it were obedient.
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Post by jmd74 on Sept 24, 2017 21:14:51 GMT
We are definitely not boycotting. We are huge Steelers fans and always will be. We have tickets to a game at Heinz field next month and will be driving from VA to attend. So excited!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 21:25:28 GMT
I have yet to see anyone say celebrities shouldn't have an opinion.
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Post by jenis40 on Sept 24, 2017 21:34:15 GMT
I have yet to see anyone say celebrities shouldn't have an opinion. I think the Dixie Chicks would disagree with you.
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Post by MsKnit on Sept 24, 2017 21:34:53 GMT
Did anyone watch the pregame or whatever before the Steelers game? The guy that was a coach (previously maybe. I knew his name. Can’t recall it now.) made the best comment. He aid that if one of his players asked him to take a knee with him he would tell him that the flag was terribly important to him. He couldn’t take a knee because of his beliefs(?). However, he would be happy to stand next to him while he took a knee & would Place his hand on his shoulder out of respect. We all have different beliefs. Unity was the respect of each others’ beliefs.
He said it so beautifully. My version is pitiful in comparison.
You know, seeing the former military guy in the entryway by himself saying the pledge was just as powerful as the Giants locking arms during it. Both choked me up. Being military, I wasn’t surprised he was there. There is a different level of respect. The locking of arms that I saw today was the most beautiful f you I have ever seen. How can you disparage these players as unpatriotic when Trump is breaking the First Amendment?
In our house, DH walked through the living room and asked me why I was watching football. Trump told me not to. LOL! (I don’t watch football, normally.)
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