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Post by myshelly on Sept 25, 2017 15:08:47 GMT
Well,imo,your job isn't the place for political protest. Just curious do you feel the same way today knowing that all but one player chose to stay in the locker room? Not meant to be snarky, just wondering Not me. I'm prepping for our game day party as I type. ☺ Go Steelers!! As for Kapernick (sp?)... It's my opinion that's he's not been signed because he sucks. If it's the other? Well,imo,your job isn't the place for political protest. No boycott here...go Steelers. ☺ Jobs also shouldn't be a place for forced nationalism. And forced nationalism does not equate with true patriotism.
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Post by casii on Sept 25, 2017 15:23:20 GMT
I don't watch football but once a year and that is the Super Bowl when I eat unlimited guacamole, focus on the commercials and halftime show.
That said, if I were a football fan, I'd not boycott them over a show of peaceful protest. After hearing Dr. Ormalu speak last year, I'm critical of any sport that has violent contact.
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Post by ginacivey on Sept 25, 2017 15:33:19 GMT
I still don't get the connection between kneeling to protest a social justice issue and our men and women in the armed services. Especially since so many of them have said that they have fought for our right to protest which includes these football players. And so many of them have said that even if they wouldn't kneel for the anthem they support someone else's right to do so and they don't find it disrespectful. i've asked this question a couple times this morning and have yet to get an explanation gina
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 25, 2017 15:50:26 GMT
Well,imo,your job isn't the place for political protest. Just curious do you feel the same way today knowing that all but one player chose to stay in the locker room? Not meant to be snarky, just wondering Not me. I'm prepping for our game day party as I type. ☺ Go Steelers!! As for Kapernick (sp?)... It's my opinion that's he's not been signed because he sucks. If it's the other? Well,imo,your job isn't the place for political protest. No boycott here...go Steelers. ☺ They weren't in the locker room, they were standing in the tunnel right behind him...if that makes any difference.
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Post by anaterra on Sept 25, 2017 15:56:27 GMT
The Dallas Cowboys play tonight... Jerry Jones has said the players n coaches are paid by him to play on a field he owns.. if they do not stand in respect of the flag and anthem.. he doesn't care who it is... they will be fired... I wonder how true that is.. if Prescott or Elliott or Witten kneels... is jones really gonna fire a player he hopes to help lead us back to the playoffs??? I can't see that really happening... He is also a super rich white man... who supported trump... sooo there is that but jones did say this to his players when Obama was still president and Kap kneeled the 1st time.. It has been discovered he didn't actually say that. It's a false quote. He did say he wants his players to remain standing but hasn't threatened to fire anyone if they don't. Did not know that... thanks... and I really don't think he would do that to any of the starters either...
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Post by lisacharlotte on Sept 25, 2017 16:19:11 GMT
I don't care if players want to kneel or sit. I have my own opinions about why they may or may not and make my own judgements. I wish that those players that are all up in arms about this were more vocal when their teammates were killing dogs and beating the shit out of their girlfriends/wives.
I'm a vet, I stand at attention for the national anthem. I even get a little misty eyed. I love this country, problems and all. I've lived all over this great land as well as in foreign lands. I know that our system is a bright shining beacon of freedom for everyone. Included in that "everyone" are scumbags. But until they actually break the law, that freedom is theirs also. You don't have to like it. You can vote with your wallet. But that goes both ways. Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences to that speech. And as long as the government isn't impeding that freedom it's not a 1st amendment violation. Even the president gets an opinion. I don't have to like it. You don't have to like it. Vote to change it.
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Post by inkedup on Sept 25, 2017 16:44:05 GMT
Let's be honest about what this is really about. It's about race, not the military.
Most of the people I know who are frothing at the mouth about NFL players who kneel claim they're offended because they find these actions disrespectful to the military/flag/country.
And yet none of the people I know who object to the protests actually cared enough about their country to serve in the military. The vets I know are supportive of the players. They know why they enlisted and what that means.
None of the people who are loudly crying about the player protests even batted an eye when Trump disparaged McCain and his military service ("I like people who weren't captured.") Where was their deep devotion to the military then? Why weren't Trump's most rabid supporters angered by the fact that President Trump and his "bone spurs" showed such little respect for McCain as a soldier and former POW?
This is not about patriotism. It's about race. About the fact that many Americans think that these uppity, rich blacks should just shut up and be good little instruments of entertainment who are grateful for the money they've been allowed to have.
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 25, 2017 16:47:18 GMT
Sorry, I am replying without reading the whole thread, but we have our Sundays back because of the Chargers moving to LA and I couldn't be happier. For my tailgating, season ticket holding husband & friends the boycott is as much about a greedy owner who couldn't get San Diego to build him a new stadium and moved his team to a city that doesn't want them, where they are playing second fiddle to another team the city also didn't seem to want. The Chargers can't even sell out a 30,000 seat stadium this year and most of the seats are away team fans.
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Post by inkedup on Sept 25, 2017 16:50:19 GMT
What CarolinaGirl71 said. I am strictly forbidden to share political ideas etc at work. And the NFL/ game day is work. Express all you want outside of work (and leave out your 'company' name. But when at work...do your job. And in this case your job is playing football. I would ask...and maybe someone has an answer, I really didn't search, what actions are you (General you) taking outside of work? Or is your big statement (for or against) when the camera pans around you again while you are AT work. The cool thing about America is that we still enjoy a great deal of freedom. if you want a job that will allow you to express yourself politically while on the clock, you are free to leave your current job and find one. Claiming you're angry about what NFL players are allowed to do on the clock is petty and disingenuous. There are many employers that allow things yours probably doesn't.
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Post by MDscrapaholic on Sept 25, 2017 16:50:50 GMT
I'm going to the Cowboys/Cardinals game tomorrow and I will proudly stand with my hand over my heart for our national anthem and I will support those that choose to protest. That's what our country is all about even if our president can't grasp the concept. I will be watching this game tonight, and I bet each and every Cowboy will be standing there with their hand on their heart. Love my Cowboys!
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Post by oaksong on Sept 25, 2017 16:54:19 GMT
It has been discovered he didn't actually say that. It's a false quote. He did say he wants his players to remain standing but hasn't threatened to fire anyone if they don't. agreed jerry jones didn't become filthy rich by being stupid firing a kneeling player is stupid gina Add that to the list of things that our dear leader doesn't understand - labor law. He runs his mouth simply to pander to his base - screw the rest of us and the country he is supposed to be running. It's beyond stupid and disgusting. This whole incident makes me want to watch more football. I am a veteran, and cannot figure out how this peaceful protest has anything to do with disrespecting veterans. If anything, it validates what we stand for as a country. I wish the attention could shift to the actual reason they are protesting - Black Lives Matter! I wonder how it would go over if I kneeled instead of reciting the pledge at my next Rotary meeting?
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Post by ginacivey on Sept 25, 2017 16:58:19 GMT
They weren't in the locker room, they were standing in the tunnel right behind him...if that makes any difference. i thought i read that mike tomlin was keeping them in the locker room because he wants a football game to be about football - not politicized - I will be watching this game tonight, and I bet each and every Cowboy will be standing there with their hand on their heart. Love my Cowboys! how will you feel if they aren't all standing? three from my team took a knee - just because they are 'cowboys' are they somehow different? gina
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Post by christine58 on Sept 25, 2017 17:01:58 GMT
I refuse to give my time or support to any athlete that choose to kneel. Kneeling is disrespectful to all the brave Men and Women who protect us. why do you think this? How about we turn this around?? Kneeling to me--IMHO--could be interpreted as praying. Just saying
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Post by MDscrapaholic on Sept 25, 2017 17:03:38 GMT
I will be watching this game tonight, and I bet each and every Cowboy will be standing there with their hand on their heart. Love my Cowboys! how will you feel if they aren't all standing? three from my team took a knee - just because they are 'cowboys' are they somehow different? gina I will be upset if they're not standing. They have never taken a knee, they've always been respectful of the national anthem. I can't imagine that changing now, but it might. I might be surprised tonight. Whatever happens, I'll be watching!
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Post by christine58 on Sept 25, 2017 17:03:52 GMT
This is not about patriotism. It's about race. About the fact that many Americans think that these uppity, rich blacks should just shut up and be good little instruments of entertainment who are grateful for the money they've been allowed to have. I COMPLETELY disagree.
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Post by ginacivey on Sept 25, 2017 17:22:49 GMT
I will be upset if they're not standing. They have never taken a knee, they've always been respectful of the national anthem. I can't imagine that changing now, but it might. I might be surprised tonight. Whatever happens, I'll be watching! the same could be said of the packers three sat yesterday i don't think it's a matter of respecting the national anthem tho i won't quit watching nor am i upset at the three - or any that kneel, sit, or stay in the locker room gina
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Post by lucyg on Sept 25, 2017 17:42:03 GMT
Well,imo,your job isn't the place for political protest. Just curious do you feel the same way today knowing that all but one player chose to stay in the locker room? Not meant to be snarky, just wondering Jobs also shouldn't be a place for forced nationalism. And forced nationalism does not equate with true patriotism. So, SO true. And I will add a corollary: showy patriotism does not necessarily equal true patriotism. Self-appointed monitors of other people's demonstrations of nationalism in no way strike me as particularly patriotic. True patriotism would embrace our freedom of speech, not try to deny it to those who hold differing opinions. The man in the White House has less understanding of the true meaning of patriotism than your average caterpillar.
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Post by debmast on Sept 25, 2017 18:29:40 GMT
Did anyone watch 60 Minutes last night? They had a roundtable discussion (which was filmed a week ago in Michigan). Half of the people support Trump, half do not.
The Trump supporters were VERY vocal in saying that the protesters in Charlottesville were entitled to their First Amendment rights. I'm wondering if the discussion had been live and after Trump's tweet, would they have felt the same about the rights of the NFL players?
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 25, 2017 18:32:57 GMT
Jobs also shouldn't be a place for forced nationalism. And forced nationalism does not equate with true patriotism. So, SO true. And I will add a corollary: showy patriotism does not necessarily equal true patriotism. Self-appointed monitors of other people's demonstrations of nationalism in no way strike me as particularly patriotic. True patriotism would embrace our freedom of speech, not try to deny it to those who hold differing opinions. The man in the White House has less understanding of the true meaning of patriotism than your average caterpillar. Waving the flag and "honoring the troops" because you (the NFL/sports leagues/NASCAR) are getting PAID to do it to bolster recruitment isn't exactly patriotic either!
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Post by wezee on Sept 25, 2017 18:45:02 GMT
Well,imo,your job isn't the place for political protest. Just curious do you feel the same way today knowing that all but one player chose to stay in the locker room? Not meant to be snarky, just wondering Are you a football fan? If so, how long have you been watching? I stated earlier in the thread I usually only watch the Superbowl, but according to news reports players on the field during the anthem has only been a thing since 2009. If you are a fan, did it bother you that for nearly 50 years this was not done? Were they grandstanding yesterday or going back to old traditions? What do you think the players should do? With all this mess, I'm fine with them staying in the locker room. Or whatever makes them happy like the one Steelers player who stayed on the field. Life long Bears fan. I remember when players stayed in the "tunnels" I must say that Players are required to follow the rules of the NFL. They have every right to "protest"and I support their right to do so. I just think that when they are a professional athlete and have signed a contract that clearly states the rules then the rules must be followed. Don't like the rule then take you plea to the NFL. It's their rule. The players know the rule why are they "grandstanding"?
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 25, 2017 18:48:41 GMT
Are you a football fan? If so, how long have you been watching? I stated earlier in the thread I usually only watch the Superbowl, but according to news reports players on the field during the anthem has only been a thing since 2009. If you are a fan, did it bother you that for nearly 50 years this was not done? Were they grandstanding yesterday or going back to old traditions? What do you think the players should do? With all this mess, I'm fine with them staying in the locker room. Or whatever makes them happy like the one Steelers player who stayed on the field. Life long Bears fan. I remember when players stayed in the "tunnels" I must say that Players are required to follow the rules of the NFL. They have every right to "protest"and I support their right to do so. I just think that when they are a professional athlete and have signed a contract that clearly states the rules then the rules must be followed. Don't like the rule then take you plea to the NFL. It's their rule. The players know the rule why are they "grandstanding"? The NFL has stated that players do not have to stand. That is the rule.
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Post by myshelly on Sept 25, 2017 18:50:42 GMT
Are you a football fan? If so, how long have you been watching? I stated earlier in the thread I usually only watch the Superbowl, but according to news reports players on the field during the anthem has only been a thing since 2009. If you are a fan, did it bother you that for nearly 50 years this was not done? Were they grandstanding yesterday or going back to old traditions? What do you think the players should do? With all this mess, I'm fine with them staying in the locker room. Or whatever makes them happy like the one Steelers player who stayed on the field. Life long Bears fan. I remember when players stayed in the "tunnels" I must say that Players are required to follow the rules of the NFL. They have every right to "protest"and I support their right to do so. I just think that when they are a professional athlete and have signed a contract that clearly states the rules then the rules must be followed. Don't like the rule then take you plea to the NFL. It's their rule. The players know the rule why are they "grandstanding"? What rule do you think they are breaking? Did you read their contracts and know they address the National Anthem? You're making assumptions that aren't true.
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Post by inkedup on Sept 25, 2017 18:51:49 GMT
Are you a football fan? If so, how long have you been watching? I stated earlier in the thread I usually only watch the Superbowl, but according to news reports players on the field during the anthem has only been a thing since 2009. If you are a fan, did it bother you that for nearly 50 years this was not done? Were they grandstanding yesterday or going back to old traditions? What do you think the players should do? With all this mess, I'm fine with them staying in the locker room. Or whatever makes them happy like the one Steelers player who stayed on the field. Life long Bears fan. I remember when players stayed in the "tunnels" I must say that Players are required to follow the rules of the NFL. They have every right to "protest"and I support their right to do so. I just think that when they are a professional athlete and have signed a contract that clearly states the rules then the rules must be followed. Don't like the rule then take you plea to the NFL. It's their rule. The players know the rule why are they "grandstanding"? Which rule do you think is being broken? The NFL has no rule against kneeling during the anthem.
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Post by ginacivey on Sept 25, 2017 18:55:35 GMT
Which rule do you think is being broken? The NFL has no rule against kneeling during the anthem. if ya need it i have the link to the NFL rulebook in PDF form cos ya know - the meme circulating no rule about national anthem - gina
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Post by azredhead on Sept 25, 2017 19:27:55 GMT
Are you a football fan? If so, how long have you been watching? I stated earlier in the thread I usually only watch the Superbowl, but according to news reports players on the field during the anthem has only been a thing since 2009. If you are a fan, did it bother you that for nearly 50 years this was not done? Were they grandstanding yesterday or going back to old traditions? What do you think the players should do? With all this mess, I'm fine with them staying in the locker room. Or whatever makes them happy like the one Steelers player who stayed on the field. Life long Bears fan. I remember when players stayed in the "tunnels" I must say that Players are required to follow the rules of the NFL. They have every right to "protest"and I support their right to do so. I just think that when they are a professional athlete and have signed a contract that clearly states the rules then the rules must be followed. Don't like the rule then take you plea to the NFL. It's their rule. The players know the rule why are they "grandstanding"? We were discussing this this morning. I know they used to stay inside the tunnel. Dh says now it's a timing thing with the Prime Time games. If they are not present for the coin flip they forfeit the coin flip and get a 15yrd penelty. Pittsburg did it because they weren't in prime time. I was fine with until,I was reading their twitter feeds this morning. Their one vet who did stand outside got critizism from Coach Tomlin and Goodell. So I guess you have to do it how they want you to??
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 25, 2017 19:41:29 GMT
The man in the White House has less understanding of the true meaning of patriotism than your average caterpillar. nothing to add to the discussion, but had to say that this made me laugh out loud! (I agree with the sentiment too-- his opining to the President of France over the Bastille Day Parade and his wondering if we can do something similar here for July 4th showed me that.) I also agree with this: Waving the flag and "honoring the troops" because you (the NFL/sports leagues/NASCAR) are getting PAID to do it to bolster recruitment isn't exactly patriotic either! Not sure how they can do it, but I think they should use different methods to bolster their recruitment efforts, because I would wager that MOST viewers have NO idea that they're seeing that display of patriotism because the sports are being paid to show it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 20:04:27 GMT
This is not about patriotism. It's about race. About the fact that many Americans think that these uppity, rich blacks should just shut up and be good little instruments of entertainment who are grateful for the money they've been allowed to have. I COMPLETELY disagree. I do too. The same feeling is expressed about actors of all races, so it stands to reason it has nothing to do with race.
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Post by justkat on Sept 25, 2017 23:16:43 GMT
Well,imo,your job isn't the place for political protest. Just curious do you feel the same way today knowing that all but one player chose to stay in the locker room? Not meant to be snarky, just wondering Not me. I'm prepping for our game day party as I type. ☺ Go Steelers!! As for Kapernick (sp?)... It's my opinion that's he's not been signed because he sucks. If it's the other? Well,imo,your job isn't the place for political protest. No boycott here...go Steelers. ☺ I'm on my phone so hope this works....yes I feel the same way today. I think there's a time and place for everything. I don't believe your job is the appropriate time or place for political protest.
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Post by Merge on Sept 25, 2017 23:21:44 GMT
The biggest flags flown in my city are over car dealerships. Seriously. They tend to have these huge flags. We also have flags in front of every school, many/most private office buildings, and in front of many people's houses. Saying that the flag is an exclusive symbol of the military is pretty short-sighted.
Maybe the players were just "disrespecting" Don McGill Toyota.
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Post by quinlove on Sept 25, 2017 23:52:11 GMT
I refuse to give my time or support to any athlete that choose to kneel. Kneeling is disrespectful to all the brave Men and Women who protect us. I still don't get the connection between kneeling to protest a social justice issue and our men and women in the armed services. Especially since so many of them have said that they have fought for our right to protest which includes these football players. And so many of them have said that even if they wouldn't kneel for the anthem they support someone else's right to do so and they don't find it disrespectful. ^^^^^. This.
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