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Post by sabrinae on Sept 25, 2017 1:43:56 GMT
I am not boycotting the NFL. I am boycotting games where such flagrant disrespect for those who fight for the right to be publicly disrespected is allowed to go unchallenged. I don't see it as disrespectful at all and neither do many veterans. They are peacefully using the rights that those who have fought, fight for. There is nothing disrespectful about that. I find Trump's support for white supremacists much more disrespectful
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Post by sabrinae on Sept 25, 2017 1:54:25 GMT
I believe it is the teams/league showing solidarity against trumps statements yesterday. I live in Bengals land and comments on my Facebook feed about this indicate most people saw it as showing solidarity with Trumps statements. I really really try to stay away from the comment section - but some of my neighbors' comments just pop right up there. Lots of proud patriotic Bengals fans today! And lots of Go Trump! Rah rah. Those saying it is supporting Trumps statements aren't paying much attention to what the players and coaches are saying. Those I've heard have been clear that they are supporting those who kneel and several have been adamant that Trump is wrong
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Post by elaine on Sept 25, 2017 2:09:16 GMT
I am not boycotting the NFL. I am boycotting games where such flagrant disrespect for those who fight for the right to be publicly disrespected is allowed to go unchallenged. I don't see it as disrespectful at all and neither do many veterans. They are peacefully using the rights that those who have fought, fight for. There is nothing disrespectful about that. I find Trump's support for white supremacists much more disrespectful My husband - who served in the Navy for 23 years - has never seen it as disrespectful of his, or any other military member’s, service. Since he stays up with the news, he is aware that it started as a commentary about Police Brutality against African Americans and has absolutely nothing to do with the military whatsoever.
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Post by alexa11 on Sept 25, 2017 2:25:22 GMT
No- I'm not boycotting. I'm supporting my Panthers and Texans! What a game the Texans played today- GO DESHAUN!!! I don't care if they didn't win... Can we just play football???
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 25, 2017 3:49:57 GMT
Ugh, I've seen plenty of memes this evening talking about boycotting the nfl unless all players stand.
Of course these are the same people who feel it is okay yo refuse to bake a wedsing cake for a gay couple.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 25, 2017 4:38:35 GMT
I don't see die hard football fans boycotting because of what the president said. There's much bigger issues like the OP posted that have never been addressed or swept under the rug. If you want to stop watching for moral reasons, then a personal ban should have happened long before 2017.
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Post by MsChiff on Sept 25, 2017 4:40:27 GMT
Players kneeling and actors opining is nothing but grandstanding for the cameras. People that TRULY care about something put their money and/or their time towards helping the cause. Americans need to wake up and stop allowing the media to divide us with this nonsense.
FWIW, if I am PAYING to watch a game or a play, movie, concert, etc., I want to see what I pay for and do NOT want to hear the personal opinions of those involved.
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Post by 5peanutsnana on Sept 25, 2017 4:45:41 GMT
It's so easy to protest when you are a Cleveland Browns fan. I'll just keep watching the Indians!
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 25, 2017 5:06:05 GMT
www.forbes.com/sites/alexreimer/2016/10/12/where-was-the-boycottnfl-movement-during-the-paid-patriotism-scandal/amp/Up until 2009, it wasn’t even standard practice for NFL teams to be on the field during the anthem. Those who are decrying Kaepernick for kneeling should ask themselves if they considered it disrespectful when players didn’t appear to acknowledge the Star-Spangled Banner at all. Kaepernick, who was named the 49ers’ starting quarterback [+] There’s a complicated history involving the connection between patriotism and professional sporting events. Almost every team or organization in the country regularly holds ceremonies that commemorate those in the armed services. But last year, Arizona senators John McCain and Jeff Flake found that the Department of Defense paid $6.8 million to 72 teams in the NFL, MLB, NHL and MLS to hold patriotic displays during games. These payments took place over a four-year period beginning in 2012. Few actions appear to be more unpatriotic than multibillion-dollar sports franchises using military appreciation events as a way to stuff their coffers. Yet, the discovery of those duplicitous actions curiously didn’t draw nearly the amount of outrage as Kaepernick’s protest. With that in mind, it’s worth wondering whether the #BoycottNFL movement is more about political grandstanding than anything else. In many respects, the tenor of the Kaepernick debate is a sign of the politically polarized times we live in today. Much of the anger directed towards Kaepernick and players following his lead are about their physical protests rather than the messages they’re trying to get across. In August, when Kaepernick was first spotted sitting out the anthem, he said he was doing it to shine a light on police brutality against the African-American community. But somehow, that point got misconstrued. Kaepernick was quickly portrayed as being anti-military, which doesn’t encapsulate the purpose of his protest at all. “The media painted this as I’m anti-American. I’m anti-men and women of the military,” he said last month. “That’s not the case at all. I realize men and women of the military go out and sacrifice their lives, put their selves in harm’s way for my freedom of speech and my freedoms in this country, my freedom to take a seat or take a knee. I have the most utmost respect for them.” Few people painted NFL owners who profited off patriotic displays as anti-American or anti-military. Instead, those labels have been thrown on Kaepernick, who’s exercising his First Amendment rights. In actuality, there aren’t many things more American than that.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 25, 2017 5:34:50 GMT
I don't watch football so it doesn't effect me. I find the whole thing stupid. In the USA one has the freedom to express themselves as long as it doesn't hurt another person. Kneel, don't kneel. I think Villanueva quite brave to going against his teammates. I do find the Left predictable in their hypocrisy though. They lost their shit when Tim Tebow would kneel to pray on the field but kneeling during the anthem is okay. Freedom of speech only when it suits them.
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Post by cycworker on Sept 25, 2017 5:46:33 GMT
signing freaking JAY CUTLER who admitted that he wasn't in shape and didn't plan to get in shape? The Dolphins management are idiots for signing Cutler. I believe they didn't look at Kap because of the CASTRO shirt he wore under his jersey. I sit, like any good Canadian, square in the middle of this debate. I've been reading up on it... the issue isn't so much that Kap isn't good enough per se. It's that since he wouldn't be a starter, he's not good enough to warrant the distractions a team would face with him in the lineup. I admit I can see that argument. Say what you want about Jay Cutler, but he's boring enough to not cause distractions. I can certainly see why a guy who goes around wearing a Castro shirt would be a big risk in Miami. And apparently because of his strengths/weakness as a QB most teams would have to completely adjust how they run their offense in order to get the best value from his skills. I don't know enough about football to comment on the legitimacy of that idea. The other issue - and I don't know that we have an answer here - is how much he has been asking for in terms of a salary. If I'm an owner, I may not want to pay $4-5 million a season for a guy who is going to be a backup who causes a lot of distractions by his very presence on my team. It's not fair or right; it does make sense though. That all said - to go back to the original question - yes I have been boycotting the NFL, in part because of Kap but mostly because of the owners giving $ to Trump's campaign, coupled with their mishandling of the player safety (concussion) issues. Now that more players & owners are speaking up against Trump's attacks from this past weekend, I'm tempted to pay attention again. I likely won't. Though if they keep allowing protests I may consider watching the Super Bowl this year. It's the one game I always watch. was at one point annoyed enough to protest the game by not watching it & boycotting all the companies who participated/aired ads during the game. I'm considering loosening up on that one. Too early to decide though.
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Post by psoccer on Sept 25, 2017 5:51:45 GMT
I don't watch football, so it won't change anything in my house. I have read about the players. I realize that by kneeling, or sitting, they are bringing attention to issues, but I would like to see how the players would like to see the changes. My understanding is that the issue is police brutality and racial inequalities. What can we do to make this better? What do the players and teams want? It needs to be a measurable goal so that everyone can see progress is being made. What do the players, and the NFL, have planned to bring about this change? The NFL, and the players, have a huge audience that they can address. They can put together programs involving the police and community, especially in the areas where brutality and racial tension is prevalent, as well as in their team's town. Put together a hand-up program for the disadvantaged youth for trade schools. My husband's a welder, and he makes good money, not everyone needs to/wants to go to college. Based on my Facebook feed, I feel as if the kneeling has divided people more. I'd like to hear from the players what we can do and what they plan to do to bring change.
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Post by anaterra on Sept 25, 2017 9:44:59 GMT
The Dallas Cowboys play tonight... Jerry Jones has said the players n coaches are paid by him to play on a field he owns.. if they do not stand in respect of the flag and anthem.. he doesn't care who it is... they will be fired...
I wonder how true that is.. if Prescott or Elliott or Witten kneels... is jones really gonna fire a player he hopes to help lead us back to the playoffs???
I can't see that really happening...
He is also a super rich white man... who supported trump... sooo there is that but jones did say this to his players when Obama was still president and Kap kneeled the 1st time..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 10:47:02 GMT
Can someone explain the significance of some of the players linking arms today? Is that in opposition of the kneeling or supporting the players who kneel? I don't watch football very much because it stresses me out, but was just reading about this. Yep, they are showing unity and the right to protest (kneel in this case) or not. I saw a flash on the news that showed some guy (owner) who was linked with players and heard that he had previously donated $1million to 45 campaign of something. Now he is united with players and their rights and against 45 divisive speak. and tweets Was it Shad Khan, the owner of Jacksonville Jaguars who joined in the protest at the game with Baltimore Ravens at Wembley yesterday (Sunday)? Shad Khan is reported as having donated $1m to Trumps campaign fund. LINK
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Post by Nink on Sept 25, 2017 11:02:17 GMT
The Dallas Cowboys play tonight... Jerry Jones has said the players n coaches are paid by him to play on a field he owns.. if they do not stand in respect of the flag and anthem.. he doesn't care who it is... they will be fired... I wonder how true that is.. if Prescott or Elliott or Witten kneels... is jones really gonna fire a player he hopes to help lead us back to the playoffs??? I can't see that really happening... He is also a super rich white man... who supported trump... sooo there is that but jones did say this to his players when Obama was still president and Kap kneeled the 1st time.. I doubt this is true, but if it is I hope they call his bluff. Like you, I can’t see him firing his whole team or even a few key players.
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Post by christine58 on Sept 25, 2017 11:44:01 GMT
The Dallas Cowboys play tonight... Jerry Jones has said the players n coaches are paid by him to play on a field he owns.. if they do not stand in respect of the flag and anthem.. he doesn't care who it is... they will be fired... I wonder how true that is.. if Prescott or Elliott or Witten kneels... is jones really gonna fire a player he hopes to help lead us back to the playoffs??? I can't see that really happening... He is also a super rich white man... who supported trump... sooo there is that but jones did say this to his players when Obama was still president and Kap kneeled the 1st time.. The Detroit Lions owner said that two weeks ago and they had a player sit...guy is still on the team. Highly doubt Jerry Jones will fire anyone who sits. They have binding contracts and pretty sure that sitting isn't a reason to get fired.
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Post by Nanner on Sept 25, 2017 11:54:11 GMT
The Dallas Cowboys play tonight... Jerry Jones has said the players n coaches are paid by him to play on a field he owns.. if they do not stand in respect of the flag and anthem.. he doesn't care who it is... they will be fired... I wonder how true that is.. if Prescott or Elliott or Witten kneels... is jones really gonna fire a player he hopes to help lead us back to the playoffs??? I can't see that really happening... He is also a super rich white man... who supported trump... sooo there is that but jones did say this to his players when Obama was still president and Kap kneeled the 1st time.. If he said that, I hope the entire team, players, coaches, all kneel. Every single one of them. He's right - they are paid to PLAY. Not to stand for the national anthem. To PLAY. Jerry Jones is a complete asshole, anyway.
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Post by monklady123 on Sept 25, 2017 12:09:23 GMT
I don't watch football so it doesn't effect me. I find the whole thing stupid. In the USA one has the freedom to express themselves as long as it doesn't hurt another person. Kneel, don't kneel. I think Villanueva quite brave to going against his teammates. I do find the Left predictable in their hypocrisy though. They lost their shit when Tim Tebow would kneel to pray on the field but kneeling during the anthem is okay. Freedom of speech only when it suits them. <---- repeating lucyg 's comment lol Lol. I'm as liberal as they come and I didn't "lose my shit". I don't care when and how Tim Tebow wants to pray, as long as he's not forcing someone else to do it.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Sept 25, 2017 12:21:06 GMT
No- I'm not boycotting. I'm supporting my Panthers and Texans! What a game the Texans played today- GO DESHAUN!!! I don't care if they didn't win... Can we just play football??? The Texans played a hell of a game. I'm a Pat's fan but have been saying all along once the Texans have a QB we're in trouble. Plus the Texans have so many old Patriots on staff, if I'm not rooting for the Pat's I'm rooting for the Texans.
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Post by ginacivey on Sept 25, 2017 12:21:46 GMT
I don't see it as disrespectful at all and neither do many veterans. They are peacefully using the rights that those who have fought, fight for. There is nothing disrespectful about that. i feel like this - but i'm disappointed that it's turned into a spectacle Players kneeling and actors opining is nothing but grandstanding for the cameras. People that TRULY care about something put their money and/or their time towards helping the cause. Americans need to wake up and stop allowing the media to divide us with this nonsense. a lot of these players do work in their communities. lots of money and work that goes unnoticed But last year, Arizona senators John McCain and Jeff Flake found that the Department of Defense paid $6.8 million to 72 teams in the NFL, MLB, NHL and MLS to hold patriotic displays during games. These payments took place over a four-year period beginning in 2012. it's part of the militaries marketing - it doesn't bother me anymore than commercials on tv - i've been to many 'military nights' and it doesn't leave a bad taste in my mouth - we have an all volunteer military - have to find a way to connect with potential enlistees Few actions appear to be more unpatriotic than multibillion-dollar sports franchises using military appreciation events as a way to stuff their coffers. do you think they make more money at military nights? gina
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Post by compwalla on Sept 25, 2017 12:46:54 GMT
The Dallas Cowboys play tonight... Jerry Jones has said the players n coaches are paid by him to play on a field he owns.. if they do not stand in respect of the flag and anthem.. he doesn't care who it is... they will be fired... I wonder how true that is.. if Prescott or Elliott or Witten kneels... is jones really gonna fire a player he hopes to help lead us back to the playoffs??? I can't see that really happening... He is also a super rich white man... who supported trump... sooo there is that but jones did say this to his players when Obama was still president and Kap kneeled the 1st time.. It has been discovered he didn't actually say that. It's a false quote. He did say he wants his players to remain standing but hasn't threatened to fire anyone if they don't.
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Post by ginacivey on Sept 25, 2017 13:34:57 GMT
It has been discovered he didn't actually say that. It's a false quote. He did say he wants his players to remain standing but hasn't threatened to fire anyone if they don't. agreed jerry jones didn't become filthy rich by being stupid firing a kneeling player is stupid gina
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Post by alexa11 on Sept 25, 2017 14:33:34 GMT
No- I'm not boycotting. I'm supporting my Panthers and Texans! What a game the Texans played today- GO DESHAUN!!! I don't care if they didn't win... Can we just play football??? The Texans played a hell of a game. I'm a Pat's fan but have been saying all along once the Texans have a QB we're in trouble. Plus the Texans have so many old Patriots on staff, if I'm not rooting for the Pat's I'm rooting for the Texans. I'm a die hard Clemson girl, so when Deshaun joined Nuk all was right with the world!
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Post by wezee on Sept 25, 2017 14:34:15 GMT
I refuse to give my time or support to any athlete that choose to kneel. Kneeling is disrespectful to all the brave Men and Women who protect us.
Don't like the government run for office be a positive change! Back up your opinion with reform.
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Post by wezee on Sept 25, 2017 14:38:21 GMT
Well,imo,your job isn't the place for political protest. Just curious do you feel the same way today knowing that all but one player chose to stay in the locker room? Not meant to be snarky, just wondering Not me. I'm prepping for our game day party as I type. ☺ Go Steelers!! As for Kapernick (sp?)... It's my opinion that's he's not been signed because he sucks. If it's the other? Well,imo,your job isn't the place for political protest. No boycott here...go Steelers. ☺
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Post by ginacivey on Sept 25, 2017 14:41:26 GMT
I refuse to give my time or support to any athlete that choose to kneel. Kneeling is disrespectful to all the brave Men and Women who protect us. why do you think this?
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 25, 2017 14:51:27 GMT
Well,imo,your job isn't the place for political protest. Just curious do you feel the same way today knowing that all but one player chose to stay in the locker room? Not meant to be snarky, just wondering Are you a football fan? If so, how long have you been watching? I stated earlier in the thread I usually only watch the Superbowl, but according to news reports players on the field during the anthem has only been a thing since 2009. If you are a fan, did it bother you that for nearly 50 years this was not done? Were they grandstanding yesterday or going back to old traditions? What do you think the players should do? With all this mess, I'm fine with them staying in the locker room. Or whatever makes them happy like the one Steelers player who stayed on the field.
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 25, 2017 14:54:13 GMT
The boycott seems to be from both sides. Some people are boycotting because players are taking a knee. Others are boycotting because of the way players taking a knee are being treated. When attendance is down, which side gets the blame/credit? Attendance has been dropping for a decade, just as in other professional sports. This can't be attributed to these protests, despite what 45 would want his base to believe. That all said, I do think some teams avoided Kaepernick because of his kneeling last year. But, I know my team (Seattle) took a hard look at him and wouldn't have had an issue signing him because of that. But let's be honest, he didn't do well the last year or two he did play and he was looking for starting QB money. We have a perfecting good franchise QB and needed a 2nd. I think the bottom line for many teams who would give him a chance is the money he's wanting in return at this point.
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 25, 2017 14:56:07 GMT
For those of you who say Kap isn't signed because he sucks...how do you explain the Dolphins signing freaking JAY CUTLER who admitted that he wasn't in shape and didn't plan to get in shape? Or those who seriously looked at Johnny Manziel? If you don't think Kap is being overlooked because of his stance on social causes, you aren't looking very hard. I said in another post I DO think some teams aren't looking at him for political reasons. However, I also think Kaepernick is expecting way too much money for what he's proven and put on the field in the last couple of years. If he wants to play in the NFL again, he basically has to prove himself again.
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Post by monklady123 on Sept 25, 2017 14:58:22 GMT
I refuse to give my time or support to any athlete that choose to kneel. Kneeling is disrespectful to all the brave Men and Women who protect us. I still don't get the connection between kneeling to protest a social justice issue and our men and women in the armed services. Especially since so many of them have said that they have fought for our right to protest which includes these football players. And so many of them have said that even if they wouldn't kneel for the anthem they support someone else's right to do so and they don't find it disrespectful.
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