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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 10, 2018 7:41:51 GMT
There's always the shadow of the threat of ending the podcast hovering over their communication. It's so incredibly noticeable in comparison to how other (proper) podcasts position and sell themselves for patronage (rather than pay-to-listen content exclusively). They don't constantly complain about the costs and fees being substantial (they're not) and saying the podcast might not even air in a few months' time if they don't reach a satisfactory financial goal.
It's emotionally manipulative. All. The. Time. "We're sorry you have to pay now but it's costing us so much too!" Way to always make it about yourself. There's never space for someone else but T&T. It always goes back to them. Narcissism at its finest. "OK BUT DID YOU THINK ABOUT ME-ME-MEEEEE?"
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Post by scrappyem on Jul 10, 2018 11:07:54 GMT
There's always the shadow of the threat of ending the podcast hovering over their communication. It's so incredibly noticeable in comparison to how other (proper) podcasts position and sell themselves for patronage (rather than pay-to-listen content exclusively). They don't constantly complain about the costs and fees being substantial (they're not) and saying the podcast might not even air in a few months' time if they don't reach a satisfactory financial goal.
It's emotionally manipulative. All. The. Time. "We're sorry you have to pay now but it's costing us so much too!" Way to always make it about yourself. There's never space for someone else but T&T. It always goes back to them. Narcissism at its finest. "OK BUT DID YOU THINK ABOUT ME-ME-MEEEEE?"
So true. It's icky. And again, they haven't shared what the "goal" actually is so folks know when they've reached it. She loves the attention, so who knows if her ego could take not having the show, but I'd be surprised if they hit whatever fantasy number Tracie imagines for herself.
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Post by cbscrapper on Jul 10, 2018 11:46:49 GMT
There's always the shadow of the threat of ending the podcast hovering over their communication. It's so incredibly noticeable in comparison to how other (proper) podcasts position and sell themselves for patronage (rather than pay-to-listen content exclusively). They don't constantly complain about the costs and fees being substantial (they're not) and saying the podcast might not even air in a few months' time if they don't reach a satisfactory financial goal.
It's emotionally manipulative. All. The. Time. "We're sorry you have to pay now but it's costing us so much too!" Way to always make it about yourself. There's never space for someone else but T&T. It always goes back to them. Narcissism at its finest. "OK BUT DID YOU THINK ABOUT ME-ME-MEEEEE?"
You just posted exactly what I was thinking - I donāt believe for one second theyāve considered canceling the podcast, not for financial reasons anyway. I would believe that Tracie is āboredā with it or ready to move to a new shiny thing, but not that theyāve really considered canceling. Itās just manipulation to bully people into subbing and a way to get everyone to fawn over Tracie - āoh please donāt quit, we love you! You deserve to have money thrown at you!ā I do think theyāve reconsidered the retreats, because that IS a lot of work if itās not paying off in profits. Plus, itās actual work. Eww.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 12:27:16 GMT
PS, my 14 yo DD has a podcast on her hobby.
She does about one every other month.
It's not hard. Takes her about 30-45 mins to come up w/her content, and about an hour to record, edit, upload.
It's $5/mo for hosting.
Really. Not complicated.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 10, 2018 13:48:30 GMT
PS, my 14 yo DD has a podcast on her hobby. She does about one every other month. It's not hard. Takes her about 30-45 mins to come up w/her content, and about an hour to record, edit, upload. It's $5/mo for hosting. Really. Not complicated.
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Post by Elsabelle on Jul 10, 2018 15:30:30 GMT
There's always the shadow of the threat of ending the podcast hovering over their communication. It's so incredibly noticeable in comparison to how other (proper) podcasts position and sell themselves for patronage (rather than pay-to-listen content exclusively). They don't constantly complain about the costs and fees being substantial (they're not) and saying the podcast might not even air in a few months' time if they don't reach a satisfactory financial goal.
It's emotionally manipulative. All. The. Time. "We're sorry you have to pay now but it's costing us so much too!" Way to always make it about yourself. There's never space for someone else but T&T. It always goes back to them. Narcissism at its finest. "OK BUT DID YOU THINK ABOUT ME-ME-MEEEEE?"
You make a good point here. I listen to quite a few podcasts. All of them include info about how to support them at the end. They have a donate button on their website or Patreon or something similar. Most of them also mention that if you can't contribute financially but you want to support them you can leave them a five star review. I've never heard any of them say if they don't get enough financial support they might not be able to continue. And if they did? K bye.
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Post by lasteve1 on Jul 10, 2018 17:22:14 GMT
All of this makes me think of Elise Blaha Cripe's podcast and what she has said about it. First--Elise is the opposite of Tracy--she's classy, professional and transparent. She also has a podcast and was very transparent about the process and her business on her blog. She had said (and I am going from memory here--this was awhile back) that the podcast was not a money maker in itself (it actually cost money because of the minimal hosting fees) so it was hard to track how much it contributed to the success of her business, but she thought that it helped bring in customers, get her message out there, and expand her connections in the industry to open doors to additional partnerships. She also said that the time commitment wasn't too much and she enjoyed doing it, so she was happy to have the podcast.
I think that Tracy sees that she has a successful podcast, but has been frustrated because it isn't paying off financially on par with the number of listeners. She hasn't effectively been able to turn those listeners into paying customers. I do see how this could be a legitimate reason for being upset, but instead of reacting how she should--try a different technique/do some serious market research/hire a professional--she blames her listeners for not supporting her enough and tries to guilt them into donations. She tried to monetize in various other ways--such as retreats--but found that the success of those was limited compared to the reach of the podcast. She consistently tries to threaten/guilt her listeners into supporting her as a way to monetize her podcast. What she really needs to do is realize that listeners of free content are under no obligation to support her and try to figure out how to convert them into willing paying customers for a separate product.
Instead, she has given up on converting listeners into paying customers and decided to monetize the one thing she is successful at--the podcast. I think this could've been a good business move if she had done it right, in a classy professional way. This would've required: (1) leaving all old episodes available for free (2) offering some new free content periodically to bring in new customers (3) providing very clear information on what paying customers could expect in terms of content--e.g. consistent release schedule, upcoming list of guests, etc.
As expected though, she did none of these things. My guess is that instead of this finally being a way to monetize the one thing she was good at, it will run her podcast into the ground and she will no longer have a following--paid or free.
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Post by Citygirl on Jul 10, 2018 18:24:46 GMT
The whole thing is just amateur hour.
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Post by christinec68 on Jul 10, 2018 18:25:03 GMT
I agree with you about Elise Cripe. She has business sense and knows you have to spend money to make money!! She uses her podcast as a tool to generate business and has guests who are interesting and bring their own audience so both parties can benefit by having potentially more customers.
Tracie & Tiffany had that...especially Tracie!!
She had a couple of classes with Big Picture and Jen Schow and their initial retreats seemed to be successful because of what they built through the podcast. Then her greed and personality got in the way. She seemed to take on a "wanna see it, gotta pay me" stance on sharing work. Not many people are going to purchase a scrapbooking class from someone who doesn't share any work - how would they know if she has a style they would like to learn from when her Instagram feed is food and choir pictures? Her crazy rants here and in the FB group were damaging to her and (unfortunately) to anyone she partnered with. The retreats were very expensive for what was provided.
She did this to herself and now she's basically taking her toys and calling it a day except for the people who are willing to pay to hear her opinion until that well dries up because it's the last thing she has that she can sell (imo).
and just for the record and so I don't sound like the ultimate hater - I think what they started with initially, a fun and informative podcast, was great. It took a lot guts to put themselves out there and I loved seeing two women succeed on this type of venture.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Jul 10, 2018 19:08:37 GMT
They sound like a bunch of clowns.
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Post by joyfulnana on Jul 10, 2018 20:01:11 GMT
PS, my 14 yo DD has a podcast on her hobby. She does about one every other month. It's not hard. Takes her about 30-45 mins to come up w/her content, and about an hour to record, edit, upload. It's $5/mo for hosting. Really. Not complicated.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jul 10, 2018 20:09:47 GMT
I really enjoyed the podcast also. But then Tracieās personality and thin skin intruded into my enjoyment. Once they started kicking people out of the Facebook group and the bully tactics, I quit. Way to ruin a good thing. And I like Tiffany, but I donāt know how she can defend the atrocious behavior against their members and the non-transparent money grubbing.
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Post by mcjunkin on Jul 10, 2018 20:15:11 GMT
From the FB group: Attachments:
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Post by caangel on Jul 10, 2018 23:03:13 GMT
All of this makes me think of Elise Blaha Cripe's podcast and what she has said about it. First--Elise is the opposite of Tracy--she's classy, professional and transparent. She also has a podcast and was very transparent about the process and her business on her blog. She had said (and I am going from memory here--this was awhile back) that the podcast was not a money maker in itself (it actually cost money because of the minimal hosting fees) so it was hard to track how much it contributed to the success of her business, but she thought that it helped bring in customers, get her message out there, and expand her connections in the industry to open doors to additional partnerships. She also said that the time commitment wasn't too much and she enjoyed doing it, so she was happy to have the podcast. I think that Tracy sees that she has a successful podcast, but has been frustrated because it isn't paying off financially on par with the number of listeners. She hasn't effectively been able to turn those listeners into paying customers. I do see how this could be a legitimate reason for being upset, but instead of reacting how she should--try a different technique/do some serious market research/hire a professional--she blames her listeners for not supporting her enough and tries to guilt them into donations. She tried to monetize in various other ways--such as retreats--but found that the success of those was limited compared to the reach of the podcast. She consistently tries to threaten/guilt her listeners into supporting her as a way to monetize her podcast. What she really needs to do is realize that listeners of free content are under no obligation to support her and try to figure out how to convert them into willing paying customers for a separate product. Instead, she has given up on converting listeners into paying customers and decided to monetize the one thing she is successful at--the podcast. I think this could've been a good business move if she had done it right, in a classy professional way. This would've required: (1) leaving all old episodes available for free (2) offering some new free content periodically to bring in new customers (3) providing very clear information on what paying customers could expect in terms of content--e.g. consistent release schedule, upcoming list of guests, etc. As expected though, she did none of these things. My guess is that instead of this finally being a way to monetize the one thing she was good at, it will run her podcast into the ground and she will no longer have a following--paid or free. ^^^That! As much as Tracie's personality is her down fall she actually started a good thing and could have done SO much with it. Unfortunately she has ZERO business sense and is her own worst enemy (and that's saying a lot considering how many LONG threads there are about her). I think she lucked into a lot and didn't have the skills/knowledge to take it to the next level. If anything she is working against herself at this point and I feel like this is the start of the Scrap Gals circling the drain. I am disappointed for our industry, but not surprised, and hopeful that others can use it as an opportunity to create something that builds the scrapping community.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 17:28:38 GMT
All of this makes me think of Elise Blaha Cripe's podcast and what she has said about it. First--Elise is the opposite of Tracy--she's classy, professional and transparent. She also has a podcast and was very transparent about the process and her business on her blog. She had said (and I am going from memory here--this was awhile back) that the podcast was not a money maker in itself (it actually cost money because of the minimal hosting fees) so it was hard to track how much it contributed to the success of her business, but she thought that it helped bring in customers, get her message out there, and expand her connections in the industry to open doors to additional partnerships. She also said that the time commitment wasn't too much and she enjoyed doing it, so she was happy to have the podcast. I think that Tracy sees that she has a successful podcast, but has been frustrated because it isn't paying off financially on par with the number of listeners. She hasn't effectively been able to turn those listeners into paying customers. I do see how this could be a legitimate reason for being upset, but instead of reacting how she should--try a different technique/do some serious market research/hire a professional--she blames her listeners for not supporting her enough and tries to guilt them into donations. She tried to monetize in various other ways--such as retreats--but found that the success of those was limited compared to the reach of the podcast. She consistently tries to threaten/guilt her listeners into supporting her as a way to monetize her podcast. What she really needs to do is realize that listeners of free content are under no obligation to support her and try to figure out how to convert them into willing paying customers for a separate product. Instead, she has given up on converting listeners into paying customers and decided to monetize the one thing she is successful at--the podcast. I think this could've been a good business move if she had done it right, in a classy professional way. This would've required: (1) leaving all old episodes available for free (2) offering some new free content periodically to bring in new customers (3) providing very clear information on what paying customers could expect in terms of content--e.g. consistent release schedule, upcoming list of guests, etc. As expected though, she did none of these things. My guess is that instead of this finally being a way to monetize the one thing she was good at, it will run her podcast into the ground and she will no longer have a following--paid or free. Elise also uses her podcast to advertise her products, as I recall. That seems normal. I never understood why Tracie and Tiffany didnāt just sell ad space on the show. Then thereās this jewel where Tracie takes yet another opportunity to slam the original TwoPeas and point out that her board is better, except that there are no Garden Girls, duh. As if.
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Post by nicolep on Jul 11, 2018 17:47:48 GMT
WHAT is her point?
"Moderation is key to maintaining a kind environment in a group online." AKA - This is MY group. Mine mine mine mine mine! I'm the boss. I will blatantly kick anyone out if they comment or respond in any fashion that is not how I also see it in MY mind. If your opinion or ideas do not align with mine, you're out of here. Go. Get.
Btw...she also wasn't the only one who was on Two Peas every day for years and years.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jul 11, 2018 18:04:51 GMT
She does love to pontificate.
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Post by christinec68 on Jul 11, 2018 18:13:22 GMT
I think it's hilarious she used the phrase "verbal vomit" in the middle of that um...verbal vomit.
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Post by caangel on Jul 11, 2018 19:34:04 GMT
Well bless her heart, I think we are doing really well, but thanks for your concern! š
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Post by caangel on Jul 11, 2018 19:36:01 GMT
I posted in another post but I'd love to see the SG (Scrapbook Generation) gals do a podcast. I think it would fit in really well with the other stuff they have going on, if they are interested of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 22:05:36 GMT
Funny how she doesn't address how anonymity and hate was prevalent on the smack blog that she often got caught visiting.
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Post by cbscrapper on Jul 11, 2018 23:54:19 GMT
And she gushes about the Garden Girls, who were probably as hateful as anyone (not all of them), but remember when their private board on the 2peas board went public accidentally? And, one of the former GGs was outed as an owner of one of the smack blogs. But I guess all that doesnāt fit Tracieās narrative. Posting in private groups where you think itās just āyour peopleā and saying hateful things is no different than posting anonymously (remember when Tracie posted in Victoria Marieās group?). I felt bad for VM becasue she is a class act, very talented, and a total hoot!
VM and Jen Schow both need to run far away from Tracie. They are both talented, great personalities, and have what seems to be pretty good business sense/models. They donāt need Tracie to gain a following, especially now that her podcast content is restricted. Rather, I always felt like Tracie was trying to latch on to them and their success.
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Post by cbscrapper on Jul 11, 2018 23:55:58 GMT
I posted in another post but I'd love to see the SG (Scrapbook Generation) gals do a podcast. I think it would fit in really well with the other stuff they have going on, if they are interested of course. I would love this too! I will go comment on your other post because I donāt want the āgoodā SG (and the original SG) to get confused or drug down with the Scrap Gals.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 1:20:08 GMT
And she gushes about the Garden Girls, who were probably as hateful as anyone (not all of them), but remember when their private board on the 2peas board went public accidentally? And, one of the former GGs was outed as an owner of one of the smack blogs. But I guess all that doesnāt fit Tracieās narrative. Posting in private groups where you think itās just āyour peopleā and saying hateful things is no different than posting anonymously (remember when Tracie posted in Victoria Marieās group?). I felt bad for VM becasue she is a class act, very talented, and a total hoot! VM and Jen Schow both need to run far away from Tracie. They are both talented, great personalities, and have what seems to be pretty good business sense/models. They donāt need Tracie to gain a following, especially now that her podcast content is restricted. Rather, I always felt like Tracie was trying to latch on to them and their success. I love VM!!!
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Post by christinec68 on Jul 12, 2018 2:04:25 GMT
And she gushes about the Garden Girls, who were probably as hateful as anyone (not all of them), but remember when their private board on the 2peas board went public accidentally? And, one of the former GGs was outed as an owner of one of the smack blogs. But I guess all that doesnāt fit Tracieās narrative. Posting in private groups where you think itās just āyour peopleā and saying hateful things is no different than posting anonymously (remember when Tracie posted in Victoria Marieās group?). I felt bad for VM becasue she is a class act, very talented, and a total hoot! VM and Jen Schow both need to run far away from Tracie. They are both talented, great personalities, and have what seems to be pretty good business sense/models. They donāt need Tracie to gain a following, especially now that her podcast content is restricted. Rather, I always felt like Tracie was trying to latch on to them and their success. I love VM!!! Me too! She keeps it real, sheās fun, really talented and super classy. Iād love to attend one of her crops.
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Post by artisticscrapper on Jul 12, 2018 3:00:30 GMT
Funny how she doesn't address how anonymity and hate was prevalent on the smack blog that she often got caught visiting. You beat me to it. It would be even more ironic if the rumors were true and she was the owner/ moderator of one of those blogs.
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Post by nana2callie on Jul 12, 2018 16:04:39 GMT
So sorry to see Tiffany following such a negative path - I always found her more real than Tracie.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 12, 2018 16:50:27 GMT
Bless you @stamptastic for providing screenshots. I love Tracie screenshots. They're so... her.
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Post by inkedup on Jul 12, 2018 17:09:29 GMT
Funny how she doesn't address how anonymity and hate was prevalent on the smack blog that she often got caught visiting. This always drove me crazy about her. She got caught there several times, and each time played victim. I like how she claims she used to visit Two Peas on a daily basis - I think "used to" is as big of a lie as everything else with her. I'm sure she visits here regularly, if not daily, because people like Traci need attention. She can't stand that she is discussed here, but she can't stand it when she's not a hot topic, either. #soblessed #givemeahotlardicecreamsundae #didimentionidontwantyoutoclickonthislinktodonate
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 12, 2018 17:12:38 GMT
#didimentionidontwantyoutoclickonthislinktodonate #pleasedont #ouchmyheart #ouchmyfreepacemaker #donotdonateIrepeatdoNOTdonate #donate #donuts
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