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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 5:21:59 GMT
Let me start by saying that children are not perfect, they’re always learning and developing life skills. Cutting ties is not an option but I’m just so aghast that sometimes writing it down helps.
My SIL has 4 children, the second youngest is 10 and he’s developing into a horrible person. Not the usual 10 year old issues, but major manipulation, lying, stealing, and incredibly mean. And while I don’t see eye to eye with her on almost all parenting practices, her other 3 kids are just your usual kids.
With them being family we do spend some Sunday’s together. We have 3 teens, two of them being 16 year old boys. Our boys often get frustrated with the stuff this kid does. If they’re near him, he’ll randomly kick them in the groin because he thinks it’s funny. Or he’ll taunt them by saying that later on they’re going to go rub their penises together, lots of sexual suggestions that our boys don’t even want to tell me about. He’s obsessed with sex, everything that involves the body. He’s been obsessed with his penis since as long as my SIL can remember, and while that in itself is not a big deal, it’s the words that come with it. The appalling perverted language that comes out of him. My SIL has shared her frustrations to us about his obsession with sex. It’s bad enough that I’m concerned for him becoming an adult.
He’ll be a huge jerk in the mornings when they’re getting ready for school, when his mom gets frustrated with him he’ll quietly ask his mom to come to his room, he then gets emotional and tells her that he feels like he doesn’t love her anymore. And my SIL doesn’t see how bad his manipulation is so she’ll play right into him.
Today he asks his friends to “raise your hand if you think *Johnny (his younger brother) is ugly”. He’ll randomly tell his brother he’s ugly at the dinner table.
He’s been caught telling so many lies. My SIL is convinced he stole $20 from his older brother but he denies it (long story but he totally took it) and since she couldn’t find the $20 in his room she felt like she couldn’t do anything about it.
But the one that really caught me off guard today was when our boys told me that he’s always taunting them and calling them fat. Both of our boys are not slim, they’re chunky. They’re both over 6’ tall and weigh over 200lbs. I was so frustrated when they told me that. Our boys are sweethearts, anyone that knows them will say the same. One of our sons was valedictorian at his grade 9 grad, he was given awards for being a person we could all strive to be like. I don’t say that to brag (although I am incredibly proud of them) but just to point out how frustrating it is for me to watch our boys get taunted for weighing an extra 20-40 lbs when this nephew is everything I detest. In a moment of frustration I told our boys they had my permission to punch him and put him in his place. But knowing our boys, they won’t because we’ve taught them to be kind, to love, and to see the good in people.
This nephew’s last birthday party was a nightmare. He felt he was owed all the attention that day. All the family was there (over 30 adults/kids), but some of us were busy chatting and not watching him open gifts. He threw a fit and ran off. He was in the family van screaming at the top of his lungs. I felt like asking for our gift back. Which by the way...when their teen ds had a birthday we gave him a certain amount in cash which was a little higher than they normally give I guess. His mom made sure to tell me that the “horrible” nephew was expecting the same amount which we had no intentions of doing because the other party had special meaning behind it.
We were camping with a group one time and something happened where he got extremely mad at his mom. He looked at her and snapped his brand new glasses in half out of anger. SIL didn’t know what would be appropriate punishment so I don’t think he ever received any sort of discipline for that one. she feels that your children just need to know that you hear them and understand.
My SIL worries about him and what he’s becoming. But at the same time, so many of these issues are there because of her parenting. Her other kids have expressed frustration and question why their brother can’t just be normal.
So please tell me I’m not the only one that regularity gets to witness awful behaviour out of children.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 5:33:12 GMT
The boy is not normal and needs help NOW.
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Post by mikewozowski on Sept 24, 2018 6:07:47 GMT
yep, kids needs therapy.
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Post by ntsf on Sept 24, 2018 6:08:18 GMT
this child needs therapy now and the rest of the parents need therapy too.. something is behind the destructive behavior..
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Post by malibou on Sept 24, 2018 6:16:08 GMT
There is something going on with him that I hope therapy can help. I'm terribly sorry that your family is taking the brunt of this kid. I wish your sil the wherewithal to get him help sooner rather than later.
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Post by cade387 on Sept 24, 2018 6:20:00 GMT
It is not normal and his parents should be getting him help. Although, I can’t believe you would force your kids to see this boy. You are exposing your sons and telling them that their voices aren’t important. I would cease all contact and be very direct why. If you won’t put them first, why should they trust you if anything happens?
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Post by Lexica on Sept 24, 2018 6:38:51 GMT
Wow, I agree that this boy has some big issues. And since the mother raised her other children satisfactorily, that alarms me even more so that something is seriously wrong with the young man. Please encourage her to get this boy into therapy before something major occurs. I fear this boy is going to end up in serious trouble, and so is some poor member of the public if he isn’t given help now.
With his manipulative tendencies and overly sexual behavior, your SIL may end up visiting him in a juvenile detention facility. The kicking in the groin is a big deal to me. Does he do this at school? He is either going to cause some serious harm or someone is not going to take it as well as your boys do and they could possibly really retaliate. Is his mother aware that he is kicking them like this? I know an obvious question is whether this boy has been sexually abused himself. He has a lot of anger.
If I were in your shoes, my sons would not be in a position to be hurt by this kid any longer. If his parents won’t stop it, than you can. I would tell them to keep away from this kid at any family function, and if the kid somehow is still able to hurt them, confront him and leave immediately. Your sons need to know you have their back. What does his father say?
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Post by gar on Sept 24, 2018 7:13:26 GMT
Where is his father in this picture? I agree, that as she is raising other children to be 'normal' there would seem to be some serious issues at play here. Can you talk to her in those terms?
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Post by None on Sept 24, 2018 7:39:22 GMT
I honestly felt like a was reading a story line from Law & Order SVU. He does not sound normal at all an it doesn't just sound like crappy parenting. I would never leave my children with him. He needs an evaluation ASAP. He is scary.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 7:40:09 GMT
As much as you seem to want to make it about parenting styles I don't think it is since the other 3 kids are normal kids. SOmething is going on with THIS kid that isn't going on with the others. I would encourage her to get him into counseling as soon as possible.
Also, even though they are family you are teaching your kids that they have to give in to other's manipulations etc. You need to start distancing your kids from him as in years ago. Maybe offer to keep the other cousins while mom takes this one to therapy appointments?
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 24, 2018 8:11:06 GMT
My SIL worries about him and what he’s becoming. I'm worried about what this kid is becoming, because he lives in a much bigger world than just your family. As much as you seem to want to make it about parenting styles I don't think it is since the other 3 kids are normal kids. SOmething is going on with THIS kid that isn't going on with the others. This all day long. In reality, you don't know what Mom has been quietly dealing with all of his life. What you see as bad parenting may be her survival mode. And if she's told you that she's worried, you can bet that's just the tip of the iceberg in what she's been thinking and fearing. It may be good for you to seek out and talk to professionals who specialize in behavioral disorders. I'm really sorry your family is having to deal with this.
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Post by christine58 on Sept 24, 2018 9:53:31 GMT
She needs to have him evaluated. IMO---he's been sexually abused at some point. Or he's been exposed to some pretty sexual pictures etc. He does not feel good about himself which is why he says what he does to your sons, lies etc. I taught kids like him for a majority of my teaching career. He needs help or he will be spending a lot of time in the 'system'.
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Post by muggins on Sept 24, 2018 9:56:35 GMT
I hope there are no guns in the family home.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 10:17:45 GMT
Sociopath is my first thought.
He needs to be evaluated. He needs therapy. He may even need medication. The sooner, the better. Since he's not your kid, all you can do is to encourage his parents to get help.
What you can do is limit your interaction with him. Mail the cards for birthdays to others. Tell your sons they don't have to go to these family gatherings. Tell the mom why.
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Post by christine58 on Sept 24, 2018 10:33:08 GMT
Sociopath is my first thought. I think this child has experienced some kind of trauma....he is acting out for many reasons and I think labeling him a sociopath is not something I would do right now. Talk to your SIL---she's asking for help. What is he like in school?? He absolutely needs HELP...now...
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Post by Merge on Sept 24, 2018 10:45:20 GMT
Sociopath is my first thought. I think this child has experienced some kind of trauma....he is acting out for many reasons and I think labeling him a sociopath is not something I would do right now. Talk to your SIL---she's asking for help. What is he like in school?? He absolutely needs HELP...now... Agree. Certainly he's been in trouble at school for these behaviors? I also think he might have been sexually abused. These behaviors are not typical "mean kid" stuff. He needs to be seen by a qualified psychologist to find out what is going on. And you should absolutely keep your boys away from him.
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Post by christine58 on Sept 24, 2018 10:58:59 GMT
Agree. Certainly he's been in trouble at school for these behaviors? And if he is an angel in school....there's bigger issues.
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 24, 2018 10:59:17 GMT
I think labeling him a sociopath is not something I would do right now Thank you! The mental health of a 10 year old is nothing to armchair internet diagnose. As bad as it is to read speculation about an adult, it's just so much worse to read this about a child. @tinyt - That was needlessly harsh and must be shocking for you no matter what thoughts you may have had before you started this thread. Something is going on with this boy that isn't going on with his siblings or his cousins. It is serious, as you already know. And that's all that anybody here in Pealand knows too.
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Post by christine58 on Sept 24, 2018 11:05:59 GMT
I think labeling him a sociopath is not something I would do right now Thank you! The mental health of a 10 year old is nothing to armchair internet diagnose. As bad as it is to read speculation about an adult, it's just so much worse to read this about a child. @tinyt - That was needlessly harsh and must be shocking for you no matter what thoughts you may have had before you started this thread. Something is going on with this boy that isn't going on with his siblings or his cousins. It is serious, as you already know. And that's all that anybody here in Pealand knows too. And it has nothing to do with her SIL's parenting...
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Post by YooHoot on Sept 24, 2018 11:28:29 GMT
Whatever it is, it's way easier to address at 10 than when he's 16. He needs some help.
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Post by SabrinaP on Sept 24, 2018 11:33:50 GMT
So so many red flags. To be honest, I would be severely limiting my time with this family. I would not want my kids anywhere around this kid. He needs serious mental health help. I hope your SIL wakes up and gets him the help he needs.
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Post by pilcas on Sept 24, 2018 11:35:17 GMT
While I would not label him a sociopath, the thought did cross my mind. Whether his family gets him real help or not is not in your hands. I do feel you should limit your family’s exposure to him for their safety. It sucks for the rest of the boys family but you have your boys safety to look out for. This behavior is not normal at all.
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Post by Really Red on Sept 24, 2018 11:56:28 GMT
Oh. @tinyt I agree with everyone and you in that this child needs help sooner rather than later. You can't be the only one witnessing this behavior. Is there someone close enough to you SIL (whose relative is this? Yours or your DH's?) who can succinctly lay out the behaviors you've witnessed? The mom is clearly overwhelmed because I cannot imagine that she hasn't seen some of the same behavior or worse. Stealing $20 or breaking your glasses in a fit isn't cause for therapy, but the other things you mentioned are absolutely.
Finally, you need to stand behind your boys and back them up. I know you know hitting this child will solve nothing and saying that was your frustration speaking. You need to remove your children from this child and you need to let his mom know why. You need to protect all three of your kids and do it today. You need to let your children know that his behavior is because he is sick and you support them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 12:02:22 GMT
I said sociopath was my first thought with the manipulation, not that he is one. I do not have experience with recognizing behaviors of kids who have been abused, especially sexually. He may not be a sociopath. He may have been abused or has a different illness that will take a professional to figure out.
Regardless, he needs help bad and now. The sooner, the better before he can't control himself and attacks someone at school.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 24, 2018 12:13:39 GMT
Your first priority, REMOVE your kids from that situation, NOW! Family or not, your kids come first. If you need to sever ties, so be it!
Your nephew needs some serious help NOW!
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Post by kibblesandbits on Sept 24, 2018 12:18:40 GMT
Man, this kid sounds just like a student I had a couple of years ago. He was a twin, the evil one. Super offensive, very invasive of personal space, and knew everyone's buttons and how to push them. Also was weirdly interested in sex, and was the perp of the ONLY harassment case we've ever had at the middle school. He's in the HS now, and has worn his welcome out there too. He's been the driver in 2 reckless car accidents - both that injured star players on the school team, he somehow miraculously came through unscathed. In one, he told the kid in the backseat that he wasn't legally required to wear a seatbelt. Guess who went through the windshield when the car hit the tree? His parents claim that he's just "misunderstood and needs affirmation".
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Sept 24, 2018 12:35:45 GMT
Sounds like trauma or mental illness to me. It's possible there's sexual abuse, but at 10 in a home with little rules, I wouldn't be surprised if he looked sexual stuff up himself; with his severe lack of boundaries and propensity to seek out negative reactions (kicking, name calling) I'm not surprised sex is on his list, too.
Is he pretty intelligent?
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Post by pierkiss on Sept 24, 2018 12:50:01 GMT
He needs to start seeing a psychologist and/or a psychiatrist. Right now.
He sounds like he has ODD, or is dealing with some form of EBD, or is even a sociopath. I am not throwing those terms out loosely. The behaviors you have described sound like some clients I’ve worked with in the past who have also dealt with those 3 disorders.
I would limit my families contact with this kid as much as possible. I wouldn’t want to purposefully subject my kids to anymore of his behaviors than absolutely necessary.
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Post by librarylady on Sept 24, 2018 13:46:46 GMT
The boy is not normal and needs help NOW. His parents need to RUSH him into some treatment. I'd say an overnight program of some ilk--he has some problems that are beyond counseling.
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Post by librarylady on Sept 24, 2018 13:51:00 GMT
At age 10 and the focus on sex, I would certainly have a therapist investigate sexual abuse of the boy. I would find the best therapy in the area and get the child into a program ASAP.
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