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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 17:56:00 GMT
I think they should close at 4 on Fridays and open at 9am Monday, if they are truly wanting to observe religious customs.
They also should suspend their online sells for the weekend.
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Post by pierogi on Sept 28, 2014 18:31:41 GMT
Can you elaborate on that? I hadn't heard that either (and I have plenty of reasons I refuse to shop at HL). I googled and found this: Hobby Lobby Jewish ControversyThat's exactly what I was talking about. Besides the vile: " We don't cater to you people," after the customer asked if they carried bar mitzvah cards, Berwitz followed up and talked to management, just in case this was a nasty, ignorant sales associate. It wasn't. This was company policy. The official statement why Hobby Lobby didn't carry Jewish items: "" Because Mr. Green is the owner of the company, he's a Christian, and those are his values." My values are to shop elsewhere.
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Post by luvnlifelady on Sept 28, 2014 18:33:48 GMT
Wow, I hadn't heard that.
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Post by kelbel827 on Sept 28, 2014 18:38:17 GMT
I hate that I still shop there. Unfortunately, they still have some stuff I need at great prices. I have tons of time to go today, and can't because it's closed. Mine is 30 minutes away. I'll try to get there next Saturday, but if I don't, oh well.
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Post by quiltz on Sept 28, 2014 18:39:16 GMT
This is a privately owned company. Their rules on when they want to open or close, what products that they choose to carry and what music they choose to play in their store.
As for "Their Christian Employees (Raindancer)" -- I believe that there is a need for a business to be closed one or two days a week. People need time for their families. Banks and many corporations are closed on Saturday and/or Sunday and I don't see religion as being a factor as to why they are closed.
I am Canadian. I do not understand all the "hate" against this company. They can choose what they want, how they want to and you can choose to vote with your money.
There would be a whole lot less stressed people if there would be more time off or a day a week that a business is closed.
I was recently in Europe and people were amazed that stores in North America didn't close at 4:00 pm on a Saturday or that the majority of stores were closed on Sundays. People couldn't understand the NEED, not the desire to have stores/shops open every single day. The 24/7/365 concept is very strange for me. I can schedule my errands around when a business is open (doctor, dentist, grocery store, etc.).
Enough on this topic from me. I tend to be more European in my thinking about family time and the absolute NEED (again not DESIRE) to have stores open every single day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 18:40:55 GMT
I will not shop there and never have. I don't hate them but don't feel it is right for a company to be exempt from laws based on religion. A corporation does not have a religion in my mind.
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Post by mystuffandnat on Sept 28, 2014 18:41:25 GMT
I wonder how much they lose since I stopped shopping there?
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Post by raindancer on Sept 28, 2014 18:50:49 GMT
This is a privately owned company. Their rules on when they want to open or close, what products that they choose to carry and what music they choose to play in their store.
As for "Their Christian Employees (Raindancer)" -- I believe that there is a need for a business to be closed one or two days a week. People need time for their families. Banks and many corporations are closed on Saturday and/or Sunday and I don't see religion as being a factor as to why they are closed.
I am Canadian. I do not understand all the "hate" against this company. They can choose what they want, how they want to and you can choose to vote with your money.
There would be a whole lot less stressed people if there would be more time off or a day a week that a business is closed.
I was recently in Europe and people were amazed that stores in North America didn't close at 4:00 pm on a Saturday or that the majority of stores were closed on Sundays. People couldn't understand the NEED, not the desire to have stores/shops open every single day. The 24/7/365 concept is very strange for me. I can schedule my errands around when a business is open (doctor, dentist, grocery store, etc.).
Enough on this topic from me. I tend to be more European in my thinking about family time and the absolute NEED (again not DESIRE) to have stores open every single day.
You don't have to be closed for employees to have time off. You know. Days off they call them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 18:51:21 GMT
That's exactly what I was talking about. Besides the vile: " We don't cater to you people," after the customer asked if they carried bar mitzvah cards, Berwitz followed up and talked to management, just in case this was a nasty, ignorant sales associate. It wasn't. This was company policy. The official statement why Hobby Lobby didn't carry Jewish items: "" Because Mr. Green is the owner of the company, he's a Christian, and those are his values." My values are to shop elsewhere. "Hobby Lobby’s representatives have been in direct contact with the Anti-Defamation League and have assured us in unequivocal terms that their company has a zero-tolerance policy for discrimination and that decisions on the merchandise they carry are based on consumer demand, not out of a lack of respect for other faiths."
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Post by auntkelly on Sept 28, 2014 18:56:02 GMT
ALL hobby/craft stores get a lot of their items from China. Not saying they don't... Just wondering why they can't take a stand on that.... Hobby Lobby has a huge manufacturing plant in Oklahoma City and they make a lot of the things they sell in their stores at that plant.
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Post by pierogi on Sept 28, 2014 18:58:45 GMT
That's exactly what I was talking about. Besides the vile: " We don't cater to you people," after the customer asked if they carried bar mitzvah cards, Berwitz followed up and talked to management, just in case this was a nasty, ignorant sales associate. It wasn't. This was company policy. The official statement why Hobby Lobby didn't carry Jewish items: "" Because Mr. Green is the owner of the company, he's a Christian, and those are his values." My values are to shop elsewhere. "Hobby Lobby’s representatives have been in direct contact with the Anti-Defamation League and have assured us in unequivocal terms that their company has a zero-tolerance policy for discrimination and that decisions on the merchandise they carry are based on consumer demand, not out of a lack of respect for other faiths." You're welcome to believe that. Given that the original incident happened in metropolitan New Jersey, an area with a sizable Jewish population, I find it incredibly odd that they carried no Jewish items whatsoever, despite the dubious quote above about products being stocked for demand.
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Post by katybee on Sept 28, 2014 18:59:18 GMT
It doesn't bother me that they do not carry Hanukkah stuff. I don't see a lot of Hanukkah stuff and Walmart or my local grocery store either--because it just wouldn't sell in my area. Why should a store be forced to carry stock that won't sell? I think it has way more to do with that than it does with religious beliefs.
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Post by katybee on Sept 28, 2014 19:04:28 GMT
Not saying they don't... Just wondering why they can't take a stand on that.... Hobby Lobby has a huge manufacturing plant in Oklahoma City and they make a lot of the things they sell in their stores at that plant. A few things... Not a lot. My brother just went up there because his company is buying a large piece of manufacturing equipment from them to make canvases... HL is going to get them from China, now. Again... I'm not trying to be a hypocrite. I spend a lot of money at HL. Just trying to be realistic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 19:14:31 GMT
"Hobby Lobby’s representatives have been in direct contact with the Anti-Defamation League and have assured us in unequivocal terms that their company has a zero-tolerance policy for discrimination and that decisions on the merchandise they carry are based on consumer demand, not out of a lack of respect for other faiths." You're welcome to believe that. Given that the original incident happened in metropolitan New Jersey, an area with a sizable Jewish population, I find it incredibly odd that they carried no Jewish items whatsoever, despite the dubious quote above about products being stocked for demand. I once got extremely annoyed with them because I wanted to spell something with their giant letters and they didn't carry X and Z and a couple of other letters because the demand is not high enough for those letters. That's beyond stupid, but like the Jewish items it has nothing to do with religious discrimination and everything to do with, why carry what doesn't sell. If it happened in an area with a large Jewish population, perhaps they were going elsewhere for their Jewish items when Hobby Lobby first made the decision.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 19:17:44 GMT
Not much. Then again, I live in Utah where there's lots of Mormons. The faithful ones don't shop on Sunday. I'm pretty sure Michaels isn't open either.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 19:21:57 GMT
"Hobby Lobby’s representatives have been in direct contact with the Anti-Defamation League and have assured us in unequivocal terms that their company has a zero-tolerance policy for discrimination and that decisions on the merchandise they carry are based on consumer demand, not out of a lack of respect for other faiths." You're welcome to believe that. Given that the original incident happened in metropolitan New Jersey, an area with a sizable Jewish population, I find it incredibly odd that they carried no Jewish items whatsoever, despite the dubious quote above about products being stocked for demand. However, HL headquarters, where they make decisions for what all the stores will carry, are located in Oklahoma which has an almost non-existent Jewish presence in the state (less then 5,000 state wide or .1% of the state population www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/usjewpop.html ) It isn't going to cross their minds it might be worthwhile to carry in selected stores because they don't use a "selected store" business model.
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Post by epeanymous on Sept 28, 2014 19:24:25 GMT
I don't shop there because of the political reasons, but, before I stopped shopping there at all, I rarely shopped there because I had a M-F job and religious stuff on Saturdays, so a store that wasn't open Sundays wasn't useful to me.
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Post by pierogi on Sept 28, 2014 19:25:14 GMT
You're welcome to believe that. Given that the original incident happened in metropolitan New Jersey, an area with a sizable Jewish population, I find it incredibly odd that they carried no Jewish items whatsoever, despite the dubious quote above about products being stocked for demand. I once got extremely annoyed with them because I wanted to spell something with their giant letters and they didn't carry X and Z and a couple of other letters because the demand is not high enough for those letters. That's beyond stupid, but like the Jewish items it has nothing to do with religious discrimination and everything to do with, why carry what doesn't sell. If it happened in an area with a large Jewish population, perhaps they were going elsewhere for their Jewish items when Hobby Lobby first made the decision. This did happen in an area with a large Jewish population, and clearly they had customers going into the store and looking for items, which was how the complaints surfaced.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 19:30:21 GMT
That's exactly what I was talking about. Besides the vile: " We don't cater to you people," after the customer asked if they carried bar mitzvah cards, Berwitz followed up and talked to management, just in case this was a nasty, ignorant sales associate. It wasn't. This was company policy. The official statement why Hobby Lobby didn't carry Jewish items: "" Because Mr. Green is the owner of the company, he's a Christian, and those are his values." My values are to shop elsewhere. Whatever that nasty sales associate said is deplorable. I'm sorry, but I have no issue with a store choosing to carry whatever it wants to carry, or not carry. If that store doesn't have something I need, I'll go elsewhere. Being rude and nasty to anyone of any religion, race, etc would cost my business quick no matter how much I loved that store. Based on what you stated above, the only issue I have is with the the nasty associate and how the customer was treated. There are plenty of other places that carry Jewish items, Muslim items, etc. But yes, some continue to crucify the Christian based stores. Where's the thread about pork based company Bob Evans not catering to Muslims? Oh right...there isn't one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 19:40:35 GMT
I once got extremely annoyed with them because I wanted to spell something with their giant letters and they didn't carry X and Z and a couple of other letters because the demand is not high enough for those letters. That's beyond stupid, but like the Jewish items it has nothing to do with religious discrimination and everything to do with, why carry what doesn't sell. If it happened in an area with a large Jewish population, perhaps they were going elsewhere for their Jewish items when Hobby Lobby first made the decision. This did happen in an area with a large Jewish population, and clearly they had customers going into the store and looking for items, which was how the complaints surfaced. VoltAgain made a very good point. "However, HL headquarters, where they make decisions for what all the stores will carry, are located in Oklahoma which has an almost non-existent Jewish presence in the state (less then 5,000 state wide or .1% of the state population www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/usjewpop.html ) It isn't going to cross their minds it might be worthwhile to carry in selected stores because they don't use a "selected store" business model."
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Post by ~KellyAnn~ on Sept 28, 2014 19:51:53 GMT
Honestly, how many of you complaining that Hobby Lobby isn't open on Sundays would shop there anyway?
Seeing that Hobby Lobby has been in business for over 40 years, has 575+ stores, more than 21,000 employees, and revenue in the billions, I think their business model works for them.
On a side note, it's a law in Wisconsin that car/motorcycle dealerships are closed on Sundays. "Blue laws" are state statutes that prohibit certain business activities on Sundays to preserve the religious nature of the day. Some states also restrict the sale of alcohol on Sundays. This isn't a business choice, but the law. I'm not saying if it's right, wrong or archaic, however most are still in business despite a mandatory Sunday closure.
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Post by AngieandSnoopy on Sept 28, 2014 20:21:39 GMT
They don't lose any money from me being closed on Sunday because they are 80 miles away AND the scrapbooking store and ceramic shop that I visit at the same time I'm in that town are ALSO closed on Sundays. So I go Friday or Saturday.
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Post by Tamhugh on Sept 28, 2014 20:24:42 GMT
I don't know where HL gets their stuff, but I have read that they pay their full time employees $14 an hour, part time $9.50. That's more than they have to. They are opening a second store in our area. I got an email from them saying they are hiring, paying PT/ temporary / seasonal help starting at $10 an hour and FT employees start at $15 with benefits. While I don't agree with them on other issues, I can't fault them for not paying people decently for retail work which is widely known for having pretty low wages overall. That was the rumor when they started opening stores around here. I know several people who were hired at $10 an hour and then let go as soon as the store opened. They were told that they no longer needed so many employees. The three people I know who remained after that have all left and said the hours, pay, and working atmosphere was not what they were promised. Beyond that, our store is huge and has some nice stuff. They are super close to me but I tend to shop more at Michaels or ACMoore. The selection is better for what I am buying and the prices are far better. Finding help at our HL is not easy and they always have only one register open. I wonder how long they will stay open because they never seem busy.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Sept 28, 2014 20:30:45 GMT
I very rarely shop on Sundays. For me it is a day for church, cooking and spending time with family and friends, relaxing. Running around six days a week is enough. When DS was younger and played on sports teams I really resented games scheduled on a Sunday.
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Post by moveablefeast on Sept 28, 2014 20:49:02 GMT
You don't have to be closed for employees to have time off. You know. Days off they call them. It's so, so, so lovely to have one day you always know is your day off - you can always plan family engagements, birthday parties, and other things on that day no matter the season. Closing on one weekend day as a matter of policy means that everyone always gets one weekend day off, period. Even full time employees in a normal retail store get two days a week off, normally. But you may not always know what they are and it may be difficult to plan long range. So regardless of one's faith, I see this as a positive for most employees. It won't work for all employees but it is good for most. It means you always know one of your days off 52 weeks a year.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 20:55:50 GMT
M'eh, I don't care who's open on Sundays. I rarely shop at any store on the weekends. That's my time with DH and the kids. Plus the area where WalMart, Meijer, Hobby Lobby, JoAnns, Target and any other major store are in the same area that is an absolute nightmare on the weekends and will steadily get worse between now and December 31st. I will avoid shopping in that area for the next three months as much as I can and will even go to the stores that open at 9am at 9:15 to avoid the craziness.
Considering that HL's parking lot always has cars I don't think they're hurting much. As for not carrying Jewish stuff, I don't care. I'm not Jewish. I'm not even a Christian really (borderline atheist here). I never buy religious stuff so it doesn't matter to me. If others want to be offended or outraged, go for it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 21:00:23 GMT
Probably not as much as you may think. Just like how a restaurant may be closed one day a week or how your hair salon is closed one or two days a week, it is simply one day a week.
Not everyone goes shopping on Sundays. In many cultures, Sunday is for family, not shopping.
Personally, I am glad that they respect their employees and are not drawn into the 24/7/365.
You mean they respect their Christian employees. Nope. Sorry. All employees get the day off, whether or not they are Christian.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 28, 2014 21:04:36 GMT
I very rarely shop on Sundays. For me it is a day for church, cooking and spending time with family and friends, relaxing. Running around six days a week is enough. When DS was younger and played on sports teams I really resented games scheduled on a Sunday. our travel basketball team plays on sundays. I only resent it during football playoff time and only if my team is still in it. I can do my cooking, spending time with family and friends and relaxing, as well as go to church if b I wanted on a Saturday as well as Sunday
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Sept 28, 2014 21:28:03 GMT
I very rarely shop on Sundays. For me it is a day for church, cooking and spending time with family and friends, relaxing. Running around six days a week is enough. When DS was younger and played on sports teams I really resented games scheduled on a Sunday. our travel basketball team plays on sundays. I only resent it during football playoff time and only if my team is still in it. I can do my cooking, spending time with family and friends and relaxing, as well as go to church if b I wanted on a Saturday as well as Sunday Good for you!
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Post by stittsygirl on Sept 28, 2014 21:30:40 GMT
On a side note, it's a law in Wisconsin that car/motorcycle dealerships are closed on Sundays. "Blue laws" are state statutes that prohibit certain business activities on Sundays to preserve the religious nature of the day. Some states also restrict the sale of alcohol on Sundays. This isn't a business choice, but the law. I'm not saying if it's right, wrong or archaic, however most are still in business despite a mandatory Sunday closure.Funny, we just learned about Texas Blue Laws today, after living here eight years. DH is in the market for a new car, and today was the first day we've had a full day to go car shopping, but nothing's open! So frustrating. I'm not a HL shopper either, so they don't get my money anyway. When I did shop there, though, I often wondered how much money they lost with their 40% coupons. (the quote feature is messing up for me)
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