DaisyDoodles
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Post by DaisyDoodles on Sept 30, 2014 14:13:48 GMT
I am surprised they never implemented the Sams Club receipt check at the door at HL! If they only knew how many times cashiers would just say "eh, no tag?" and charge someone a penny for something :/ Retail stores do not have the right to just search customers. The walmart in my area asked to see my purchases a few times - I refused - and they just let me leave. They have since stopped asking anyone. But I was astounded how many people willingly consented to be searched! A retail employee doesn't have more right than the police to search you. Sams Club is different, because you are a club member. I presume when I joined Sams I signed an agreement to allow the receipt check. Fry's does search bags at the door, and it is not a club. I never stop and it pisses them off, but I don't care. I am not a member at Sam's , so it isn't an issue for me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 14:50:17 GMT
This is not accurate. Hobby Lobby health care plans cover birth control that prevents pregnancy and bans only forms of contraception that terminate pregnancy. Big difference. Ummm.. NO HL does not cover forms of birth control that HL BELIEVES work by causing termination. Unfortunately, those beliefs are incorrect. Last I checked neither HL nor the Supreme Court of the US nor the attorneys involved actually have a sufficient background in science. This decision was based on BELIEFS not SCIENCE. The slippery slope from this case is unprecedented. If a Christian Scientist owned company does not want to supply anything other than prayer for medical conditions, they are now free to do so based on this ruling. If a Jehovah's Witness based company wishes to not cover blood transfusions for employees, that is also OK per this ruling. I don't like that they aren't open on Sundays. It was the same for Chik-Fil-A when they were in this area. I suspect Hobby Lobby will go the same way in this region. This is a very diverse area. Sundays are not holy days for many here. Thank you, Melissa. Great, informative post.
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Sarah*H
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Post by Sarah*H on Sept 30, 2014 15:44:13 GMT
I guess it's the "if you've seen one hypocrite, you've seen them all" argument. Which may be true but for whatever reason, seems more disconcerting when done with one hand while the other hand claims to be raised for the glory of God.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 30, 2014 15:58:17 GMT
This is not accurate. Hobby Lobby health care plans cover birth control that prevents pregnancy and bans only forms of contraception that terminate pregnancy. Big difference. Ummm.. NO HL does not cover forms of birth control that HL BELIEVES work by causing termination. Unfortunately, those beliefs are incorrect. Last I checked neither HL nor the Supreme Court of the US nor the attorneys involved actually have a sufficient background in science. This decision was based on BELIEFS not SCIENCE. Thank you so much for posting this.
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Pearl Clutcher
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Jun 25, 2014 19:51:11 GMT
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Sept 30, 2014 16:04:51 GMT
This is not accurate. Hobby Lobby health care plans cover birth control that prevents pregnancy and bans only forms of contraception that terminate pregnancy. Big difference. Ummm.. NO HL does not cover forms of birth control that HL BELIEVES work by causing termination. Unfortunately, those beliefs are incorrect. Last I checked neither HL nor the Supreme Court of the US nor the attorneys involved actually have a sufficient background in science. This decision was based on BELIEFS not SCIENCE. The slippery slope from this case is unprecedented. If a Christian Scientist owned company does not want to supply anything other than prayer for medical conditions, they are now free to do so based on this ruling. If a Jehovah's Witness based company wishes to not cover blood transfusions for employees, that is also OK per this ruling. I don't like that they aren't open on Sundays. It was the same for Chik-Fil-A when they were in this area. I suspect Hobby Lobby will go the same way in this region. This is a very diverse area. Sundays are not holy days for many here. Here are the facts- The company’s owners say they object to four out of the 20 Food and Drug Administration-approved forms of contraception -- the four that prevent implantation of the embryo. These include two forms of "emergency contraception," sometimes called the "morning-after pill," and two forms of intra-uterine devices, or IUDs. (Officially, the FDA considers these four methods to be "contraception," but the company’s Christian owners consider them to be a form of abortion.) Link to politifact article
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 16:09:49 GMT
Ummm.. NO HL does not cover forms of birth control that HL BELIEVES work by causing termination. Unfortunately, those beliefs are incorrect. Last I checked neither HL nor the Supreme Court of the US nor the attorneys involved actually have a sufficient background in science. This decision was based on BELIEFS not SCIENCE. The slippery slope from this case is unprecedented. If a Christian Scientist owned company does not want to supply anything other than prayer for medical conditions, they are now free to do so based on this ruling. If a Jehovah's Witness based company wishes to not cover blood transfusions for employees, that is also OK per this ruling. I don't like that they aren't open on Sundays. It was the same for Chik-Fil-A when they were in this area. I suspect Hobby Lobby will go the same way in this region. This is a very diverse area. Sundays are not holy days for many here. Here are the facts- The company’s owners say they object to four out of the 20 Food and Drug Administration-approved forms of contraception -- the four that prevent implantation of the embryo. These include two forms of "emergency contraception," sometimes called the "morning-after pill," and two forms of intra-uterine devices, or IUDs. (Officially, the FDA considers these four methods to be "contraception," but the company’s Christian owners consider them to be a form of abortion.) Link to politifact article
Those forms of birth control may NOT prevent implantation of a fertilized embryo. And just because someone BELIEVES it is abortion, doesn't make it so.
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Pearl Clutcher
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Sept 30, 2014 16:11:50 GMT
Here are the facts- The company’s owners say they object to four out of the 20 Food and Drug Administration-approved forms of contraception -- the four that prevent implantation of the embryo. These include two forms of "emergency contraception," sometimes called the "morning-after pill," and two forms of intra-uterine devices, or IUDs. (Officially, the FDA considers these four methods to be "contraception," but the company’s Christian owners consider them to be a form of abortion.) Link to politifact article
Those forms of birth control may NOT prevent implantation of a fertilized embryo. And just because someone BELIEVES it is abortion, doesn't make it so. The Little Sisters of the Poor have a similar case based on their religious beliefs and Catholic Hospitals refuse to perform abortions. It will be interesting to see if the Supreme Court will balance religious rights with reproductive rights.
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Post by compeateropeator on Sept 30, 2014 16:12:44 GMT
What if you have no family or friends close by? What if you have a very dysfunctional family and really don't want to stick around them? What if you work 6 days a week and sadly it is your only day to get some things done?
Society/the World has changed (and grown) and I don't think we can go back to the days of everything closing at 5 pm and all day Sunday. I don't think we should put the onus of having Sunday as "family" time on the retailers/business, but instead on those that want that lifestyle.
If you want quiet Sundays- stay home and do not frequent any establishment. Do not use the internet, because you know that those "workers" are always on duty. I can remember some of the comments when 2 Peas would go down for the day or weekend. If you want to make sure that you always have Sunday at home - do not pick an occupation or job that requires you to work Sundays. If you do decide to work retail - realize that you will have to modify your "family" time just as emergency personal, or the people who sell the train tickets do.
If you do have a business and do decide to close on Sundays, that is fine. You just know that there maybe some consequences. That is life... we all make choices that we believe in and/or have to live with.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 16:15:59 GMT
But they invested in the companies that do make plan B and others. So yes it is hypocritical. I am sure if we all went through our investment portfolios we would find at least one, if not more companies that we have a conflicting view with. Should we call out the executives who have iPhones too and blame them for suicides at Foxconn in China where workers are practically enslaved to make the phones and devices we all use? It's a slippery slope. If they are so adamant that they can't even cover those in an insurance plan and would go to the courts to get an expemtion, you would think they would do that with their investments. It is extremly hypocritical period.
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Post by anxiousmom on Sept 30, 2014 16:50:36 GMT
I live in an area that has no real art stores. I think that there is one scrap-booking store, but that is it. There are only a handful of quilting stores-and with the exception of one, they are the chains.
If I want to buy a canvas, my choices are limited to Micheal's, Hobby Lobby or Walmart.
There are some things that can only be found at Michael's or Hobby Lobby. Unless I want to drive well over an hour to get to a store that I hope will have what I need, I have to go with what I have here in town. I just can't do that drive all the time or even some of the time.
There are times in my life that politics have to give way to the reality in which I live. I don't always have the luxury of making all the stands that I want to make. So Hobby Lobby it is.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 30, 2014 23:58:24 GMT
I know, let's make it against the law to be open on Saturdays instead. I'd much rather watch college football (because refs and players don't need time with their families, and hey, college kids will do anything).
Win, win, right? Everybody gets the sacred family time without having the Christian after taste.
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