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Post by gillyp on Jan 24, 2019 21:36:06 GMT
I’m not throwing anyone a lifeline but I did read yesterday that the hats were bought by the boys in Washington so it would appear that the school can not be blamed for allowing them to leave for the March with them. However, IMO it does compound the lack of judgment shown by their chaperones; not in allowing the purchases, anyone is free to buy what they want, but for failing to point out the ramifications of wearing them in a political area. Did anyone see the NBC interview with Nick Sandman yesterday? I thought his body language/lack of facial expression to be most odd. I promise I do have a life other than obsessing over this incident! I was searching YouTube for the latest Finding Your Roots and the interview was shown as a recent upload. I saw bits of an interview and I wondered if the PR firm instructed him to try to look and act younger than he is. I did get the feeling there was coaching of some sort, yes. It may have been the camera angle but I felt he was looking past the interviewer to someone behind her. I thought there may have been someone holding up his answers to read, which is fair enough if they were his answers, but his eyes barely wavered so he couldn’t have been reading. It just struck me as odd.
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Post by teach4u on Jan 24, 2019 22:07:11 GMT
MAGA says they have different opinions than libersls
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Post by PeachStatePea on Jan 24, 2019 22:25:12 GMT
Read through the last 6 pages and never saw anyone accuse the MAGA boys of being terrorists. The title of this thread is "MAGA group terrorizes Indigenous people at march". So yeah, some people (like the OP) accuse them of being terrorists.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 24, 2019 22:35:13 GMT
MAGA says they have different opinions than libersls Okay. Accepting for the moment that a MAGA hat simply telegraphs that the wearer has different opinions than liberals (which rather puzzles me because I thought it meant that they want to change the country in ways that the president espouses, not that it explicitly signals opposition to liberals), why then does a pussy hat telegraph that the wearer is incapable of rational discussion? What’s the difference? Full disclosure: I really had no idea people thought those hats were anything but symbolic. I wore a pink hat I already owned to the women’s march. Believe me, I never intended my ten year-old hat to turn my head into a labia. Nor did I think it signaled my irrationality.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 24, 2019 23:32:20 GMT
What do the pussy hats say? That you judge white young men as racist if they don’t bash trump.that some wearing pussy hats advocate physically harming kids, expelling them and abusing them verbally. I would feel someone in a vagina hat is not one who would discuss issuesrationallt Once again, you need to get your facts straight before your spittle & spewing rant. It’s clear you know nothing about it. It’s 2019, wake the fuck up and take a really hard look at what trump and the GOP are doing to the majority of people in the USA. It’s not the job if others to educate you on what you’ve been incorrectly frothing in about. Do your own homework and then come back and post.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 24, 2019 23:42:53 GMT
MAGA says they have different opinions than libersls Yes, yes they do. They promote and support racists, white supremacy, degrade and put women down, (there are current male congressmen attacking women congressmen because they are women), and if you were paying attention, “pussy hat” comes directly from your MAGA boy TRUMP—he says it’s perfectly a-okay to be grabbing women’s pussies without their consent. they are trying to destroy rights for LBGTQ persons, they are trying to cram their religious beliefs down the throats if anyone who does not agree with them, they are destroying laws that protect women (against violence, health assistance, and want control over a woman’s right to decide what she does with her body). They have been attacking immigrants and POC. For the last 10 years they have refused to work across the political aisle, and have become obstructionists. They take millions from foreign entities and the NRA, oil & gas, religious groups to further their agenda against the will of the people.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jan 24, 2019 23:45:26 GMT
Read through the last 6 pages and never saw anyone accuse the MAGA boys of being terrorists. The title of this thread is "MAGA group terrorizes Indigenous people at march". So yeah, some people (like the OP) accuse them of being terrorists. We once had a squirrel in our schoolyard that terrorized the kids. I guess I never realized that made him a “terrorist” LOL. I think you are confusing a commonly used verb with the political-charged noun. “Terrorizing” is the act of causing terror or fear. A “terrorist” is one who practices terrorism, which is the systematic use or terror to coerce someone (Example: Arabic terrorists who try to coerce the West to support Palestine and turn away from Israel(. Someone can cause terror without being a terrorist.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 25, 2019 0:04:32 GMT
The title of this thread is "MAGA group terrorizes Indigenous people at march". So yeah, some people (like the OP) accuse them of being terrorists. We once had a squirrel in our schoolyard that terrorized the kids. I guess I never realized that made him a “terrorist” LOL. I think you are confusing a commonly used verb with the political-charged noun. “Terrorizing” is the act of causing terror or fear. A “terrorist” is one who practices terrorism, which is the systematic use or terror to coerce someone (Example: Arabic terrorists who try to coerce the West to support Palestine and turn away from Israel(. Someone can cause terror without being a terrorist. Perfectly stated—I thought the same thing about the meaning of the title.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 25, 2019 0:51:45 GMT
Read through the last 6 pages and never saw anyone accuse the MAGA boys of being terrorists. The title of this thread is "MAGA group terrorizes Indigenous people at march". So yeah, some people (like the OP) accuse them of being terrorists. Nuance and connotation. They're something.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 4:28:56 GMT
I'm not assigning the odd statement from one kid in an 8 second video with no other context to ALL of the boys. You don't know what he's responding to or why. Considering what the Black Hebrew Israelites were saying to the students, it could have been a sarcastic response to some of the hateful things those Black Hebrew Israelites were spewing at the Native Americans and then the students. Very likely the case, but with only 8 seconds of video clipped just to highlight what the student said, it doesn't back up the case against the students. I also can't help but think that the picture of black painted bodies, much like the picture of Prince William flipping off reporters is not actually what is happening. I find it hard to believe that the school would allow them even in the sporting event, much less front and center, if they were in actual blackface. I think it might be more a case of a spirit day like the blue out theme, the nerd theme, the businessman theme, the blackout theme, the white out theme, among others that they showed. It's indisputably clear when you look at Prince William that he's flipping off the reporters. Except, oops! When you get the rest of the story (a different angle of Prince William) you see that isn't the case. Just like when we see the entire video vs. the conveniently edited clip, we see that the Native American, Nathan Phillips's claim that they approached and surrounded him is a flat out lie. What is his agenda? From page 6 of this thread, look at the boy on the lower right hand corner with the white on his lips and eyes. That is blackface. It’s disingenuous to suggest otherwise. It's much more likely that he was influenced by the Greendale Human Being from the show Community, than he was standing there, front and center with the opposing team and coaches not objecting and nothing being done about him "being in blackface". They were painted all blue, for the Blue Out them, all white for the White out theme and all black for the Black Out theme. This was not blackface.
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Post by dewryce on Jan 26, 2019 4:55:24 GMT
From page 6 of this thread, look at the boy on the lower right hand corner with the white on his lips and eyes. That is blackface. It’s disingenuous to suggest otherwise. It's much more likely that he was influenced by the Greendale Human Being from the show Community, than he was standing there, front and center with the opposing team and coaches not objecting and nothing being done about him "being in blackface". They were painted all blue, for the Blue Out them, all white for the White out theme and all black for the Black Out theme. This was not blackface. COVINGTON STUDENT RECOGNIZED BLACKFACE GREENDALE HUMAN BEING FROM TV SHOW *in next post reached limit
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Post by dewryce on Jan 26, 2019 4:59:29 GMT
CHARACTER FROM TV SHOW
Is is it possible this is the look he was going for? Sure. But to not acknowledge that his look is EXACTLY like the blackface of yesteryear, and this might have been the intent, is disingenuous.
The school is, at best, ignorant of blackface. This never should have been allowed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 6:08:58 GMT
CHARACTER FROM TV SHOW Is is it possible this is the look he was going for? Sure. But to not acknowledge that his look is EXACTLY like the blackface of yesteryear, and this might have been the intent, is disingenuous. The school is, at best, ignorant of blackface. This never should have been allowed. His mouth is shaped exactly like the Greendale Human Being which is very different from the shape of a painted mouth in typical blackface. As far as the school, they didn't look ahead to see that people would stretch that reality to fit into a racist narrative that doesn't actually exist. Just like basing that narrative on a couple of 8 second videos clipped of any information of what happens before or after the so called "proof". This pea community has not ever let that kind of clipped and altered video stand, as"proof" before, why does it suddenly now constitute proof of how horrible these kids are? Why are we completely ignoring the lies told by the Native American, his part in instigating this, and "yes, but"ing the racist instigation of the Blake Hebrew Israelites in order to ruin some teenagers. Why are we holding them SO accountable and not the adults involved? Things that make you go hmmm.
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Post by dewryce on Jan 26, 2019 6:47:46 GMT
It is not making it fit a reality that doesn’t exist. You’re pointing out the shape but completely ignoring the coloring. It was, if not intentionally racist, very easily construed as such and should have been pointed out and handled. I don’t know about you, but if someone told me my makeup looked like a racist stereotype and could offend someone I’d want it off...yesterday. Why take that risk? Why is my temporary enjoyment more important than potentially offending someone who has to deal with racist crap on a daily basis? It’s not. Many of us watched the longer video and still believe the boys’ actions were unacceptable. No one that I have seen has said the BHI’s actions were okay. They have been called what they are, a recognized hate group. We have (rightfully) pointed out that those types of protestors are very common in DC and the adult’s supervising them should have taught them how to handle it better. And everyone has said the adults with the students should have stepped in. I haven’t seen anything about the NA’s lies, I will go look for that. And I don’t believe, after watching it, that he was instigating anything.
And we are holding the student accountable because they should be. I’m not sure how to answer that any better. They were, at best, disrespectful.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 26, 2019 14:21:03 GMT
It is not making it fit a reality that doesn’t exist. You’re pointing out the shape but completely ignoring the coloring. It was, if not intentionally racist, very easily construed as such and should have been pointed out and handled. I don’t know about you, but if someone told me my makeup looked like a racist stereotype and could offend someone I’d want it off...yesterday. Why take that risk? Why is my temporary enjoyment more important than potentially offending someone who has to deal with racist crap on a daily basis? It’s not. Many of us watched the longer video and still believe the boys’ actions were unacceptable. No one that I have seen has said the BHI’s actions were okay. They have been called what they are, a recognized hate group. We have (rightfully) pointed out that those types of protestors are very common in DC and the adult’s supervising them should have taught them how to handle it better. And everyone has said the adults with the students should have stepped in. I haven’t seen anything about the NA’s lies, I will go look for that. And I don’t believe, after watching it, that he was instigating anything. And we are holding the student accountable because they should be. I’m not sure how to answer that any better. They were, at best, disrespectful. Those apologists will never get that white people painting their faces black is never a good thing.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 26, 2019 15:42:18 GMT
Those apologists will never get that white people painting their faces black is never a good thing. I struggle with getting people here to see how wrong it is. People say “but they are just dressing up, it’s like fancy dress” and there is a Doll here that people talk about fondly and would like it to make a comeback as a loved toy and they can not see how wrong that is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 17:15:32 GMT
It is not making it fit a reality that doesn’t exist. You’re pointing out the shape but completely ignoring the coloring. It is when you ignore the context of the coloring. You are pointing out the shape and completely ignoring the coloring. They were also painted white and they were also painted blue for team spirit. The only way you can make their intention to be racist when painted black is to ignore the other colors they painted themselves not to mention the reason they painted themselves. No one that I have seen has said the BHI’s actions were okay. They have been called what they are, a recognized hate group. Where's the 13 page thread trashing them, where's the countless posts and articles and television news stories trashing them? And we are holding the student accountable because they should be. I’m not sure how to answer that any better. They were, at best, disrespectful. Why aren't you holding the adults involved in the incident accountable with the same intensity and anger? Why do the kids get all the trashing and the Native American and that hate group get nothing but "yeah but the kids".
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 26, 2019 19:39:54 GMT
It is not making it fit a reality that doesn’t exist. You’re pointing out the shape but completely ignoring the coloring. It is when you ignore the context of the coloring. You are pointing out the shape and completely ignoring the coloring. They were also painted white and they were also painted blue for team spirit. The only way you can make their intention to be racist when painted black is to ignore the other colors they painted themselves not to mention the reason they painted themselves. No one that I have seen has said the BHI’s actions were okay. They have been called what they are, a recognized hate group. Where's the 13 page thread trashing them, where's the countless posts and articles and television news stories trashing them? And we are holding the student accountable because they should be. I’m not sure how to answer that any better. They were, at best, disrespectful. Why aren't you holding the adults involved in the incident accountable with the same intensity and anger? Why do the kids get all the trashing and the Native American and that hate group get nothing but "yeah but the kids". You should feel free to start a thread about the Black Hebrew Isrealites and take it to 13 pages. They're listed on the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group. Also, if you are more concerned with defending a group of white folks' behaviors than with considering indigenous voices or the voices of other POC, please reflect. Who are you protecting? What voices are you privileging? You can continue to argue to protect this group of boys who were clearly in the wrong, or you can listen to the voices of indigenous people when they say they are being harmed. Your choice defines you.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 26, 2019 19:54:25 GMT
It is not making it fit a reality that doesn’t exist. You’re pointing out the shape but completely ignoring the coloring. It is when you ignore the context of the coloring. You are pointing out the shape and completely ignoring the coloring. They were also painted white and they were also painted blue for team spirit. The only way you can make their intention to be racist when painted black is to ignore the other colors they painted themselves not to mention the reason they painted themselves. No one that I have seen has said the BHI’s actions were okay. They have been called what they are, a recognized hate group. Where's the 13 page thread trashing them, where's the countless posts and articles and television news stories trashing them? And we are holding the student accountable because they should be. I’m not sure how to answer that any better. They were, at best, disrespectful. Why aren't you holding the adults involved in the incident accountable with the same intensity and anger? Why do the kids get all the trashing and the Native American and that hate group get nothing but "yeah but the kids". Maybe because people have higher expectations for Catholic school teenagers than they do people who are affiliated with a hate group?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 22:33:16 GMT
It is when you ignore the context of the coloring. You are pointing out the shape and completely ignoring the coloring. They were also painted white and they were also painted blue for team spirit. The only way you can make their intention to be racist when painted black is to ignore the other colors they painted themselves not to mention the reason they painted themselves. Where's the 13 page thread trashing them, where's the countless posts and articles and television news stories trashing them? Why aren't you holding the adults involved in the incident accountable with the same intensity and anger? Why do the kids get all the trashing and the Native American and that hate group get nothing but "yeah but the kids". You should feel free to start a thread about the Black Hebrew Isrealites and take it to 13 pages. They're listed on the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group. Also, if you are more concerned with defending a group of white folks' behaviors than with considering indigenous voices or the voices of other POC, please reflect. Who are you protecting? What voices are you privileging? You can continue to argue to protect this group of boys who were clearly in the wrong, or you can listen to the voices of indigenous people when they say they are being harmed. Your choice defines you. I don't feel the need for a 13 page thread trashing them and your suggestion that I start one doesn't answer the question as to why you feel the need to have one trashing the children but not one trashing or even one holding the adults involved accountable. Your answer is more deflection than an actual answer. Just like everyone else here, I'm simply giving my opinion (and backing it up with the facts I have shared) on the very flimsy reasons given why this is all the kids fault. You have chosen to make me doing so into a racist issue. Me sharing facts that lead me to disagree with the very flawed assessment of these kids is not a racist issue. If you have to call me a racist in order to deal with differing opinion, then that's a problem you have, not me.
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Post by mustlovecats on Jan 26, 2019 23:01:17 GMT
CHARACTER FROM TV SHOW Is is it possible this is the look he was going for? Sure. But to not acknowledge that his look is EXACTLY like the blackface of yesteryear, and this might have been the intent, is disingenuous. The school is, at best, ignorant of blackface. This never should have been allowed. His mouth is shaped exactly like the Greendale Human Being which is very different from the shape of a painted mouth in typical blackface. As far as the school, they didn't look ahead to see that people would stretch that reality to fit into a racist narrative that doesn't actually exist. Okay, I’m willing to entertain the idea that they attempted Greendale Human and landed on something... else. But in this day and age? NO ONE stopped and said whoa, bad optics there? Is really plausible that the rest of us are connecting all the wrong dots and NO ONE at the school anticipated that? I think this might illustrate how privilege can lead to a kind of naive worldview that can’t see the cultural and social issues faced by people that don’t look like them. Even if this is the case it is still an error. White kid, painted black skin, painted white eyes and mouth should always ping up a big no. It is either veiled racism or carelessness arising from privilege. There is nothing else.
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Post by inkedup on Jan 26, 2019 23:08:13 GMT
CHARACTER FROM TV SHOW Is is it possible this is the look he was going for? Sure. But to not acknowledge that his look is EXACTLY like the blackface of yesteryear, and this might have been the intent, is disingenuous. The school is, at best, ignorant of blackface. This never should have been allowed. His mouth is shaped exactly like the Greendale Human Being which is very different from the shape of a painted mouth in typical blackface. As far as the school, they didn't look ahead to see that people would stretch that reality to fit into a racist narrative that doesn't actually exist. Just like basing that narrative on a couple of 8 second videos clipped of any information of what happens before or after the so called "proof". This pea community has not ever let that kind of clipped and altered video stand, as"proof" before, why does it suddenly now constitute proof of how horrible these kids are? Why are we completely ignoring the lies told by the Native American, his part in instigating this, and "yes, but"ing the racist instigation of the Blake Hebrew Israelites in order to ruin some teenagers. Why are we holding them SO accountable and not the adults involved? Things that make you go hmmm. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but why would one paint their face black instead of white if one were attempting to look like this character?
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 26, 2019 23:21:07 GMT
You should feel free to start a thread about the Black Hebrew Isrealites and take it to 13 pages. They're listed on the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group. Also, if you are more concerned with defending a group of white folks' behaviors than with considering indigenous voices or the voices of other POC, please reflect. Who are you protecting? What voices are you privileging? You can continue to argue to protect this group of boys who were clearly in the wrong, or you can listen to the voices of indigenous people when they say they are being harmed. Your choice defines you. I don't feel the need for a 13 page thread trashing them and your suggestion that I start one doesn't answer the question as to why you feel the need to have one trashing the children but not one trashing or even one holding the adults involved accountable. Your answer is more deflection than an actual answer. Just like everyone else here, I'm simply giving my opinion (and backing it up with the facts I have shared) on the very flimsy reasons given why this is all the kids fault. You have chosen to make me doing so into a racist issue. Me sharing facts that lead me to disagree with the very flawed assessment of these kids is not a racist issue. If you have to call me a racist in order to deal with differing opinion, then that's a problem you have, not me. Except, I never called you racist. I asked you to reflect and think about your choices. Have you considered how your opinion of why the kids are at fault centers whiteness, and how you are learning about the perspectives of the Native Americans who have weighed in on this issue?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 0:13:16 GMT
His mouth is shaped exactly like the Greendale Human Being which is very different from the shape of a painted mouth in typical blackface. As far as the school, they didn't look ahead to see that people would stretch that reality to fit into a racist narrative that doesn't actually exist. Okay, I’m willing to entertain the idea that they attempted Greendale Human and landed on something... else. But in this day and age? NO ONE stopped and said whoa, bad optics there? Is really plausible that the rest of us are connecting all the wrong dots and NO ONE at the school anticipated that? I think this might illustrate how privilege can lead to a kind of naive worldview that can’t see the cultural and social issues faced by people that don’t look like them. Even if this is the case it is still an error. White kid, painted black skin, painted white eyes and mouth should always ping up a big no. It is either veiled racism or carelessness arising from privilege. There is nothing else. They weren't attempting the Greendale Human Being, I think they were more inspired by it. I have no idea why the school didn't pretend the kids didn't often paint themselves in other colors so the school could pretend this time it was clearly racist. I have no idea why the school didn't look ahead to a time when the media and hordes of angry MAGA hat haters would dig through every photo and video they could get their hands on in order to cherry pic a narrative based on flimsy facts and reasoning. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but why would one paint their face black instead of white if one were attempting to look like this character? Because they weren't attempting to be the character, they painted their entire bodies because they were doing a Blackout theme, similar to how they painted their entire bodies for their whiteout theme and their blueout theme. Their mouth and eyes shape was clearly inspired by the Greendale Human Being character. Except, I never called you racist. I asked you to reflect and think about your choices. Have you considered how your opinion of why the kids are at fault centers whiteness, and how you are learning about the perspectives of the Native Americans who have weighed in on this issue? You insinuated my racist "choices" and the "white voices I was protecting" among other things I'm not going back to gather up. You didn't come right out and say the word racist, but that was certainly your point so you didn't need to. If I misunderstood your point, maybe you could explain in clearer terms what you meant if not that I was being racist by giving my opinion and providing facts that contradict the "MAGA hat wearing, racist, misogynistic, Catholic boys" narrative.
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Post by mustlovecats on Jan 27, 2019 0:21:54 GMT
Okay, I’m willing to entertain the idea that they attempted Greendale Human and landed on something... else. But in this day and age? NO ONE stopped and said whoa, bad optics there? Is really plausible that the rest of us are connecting all the wrong dots and NO ONE at the school anticipated that? I think this might illustrate how privilege can lead to a kind of naive worldview that can’t see the cultural and social issues faced by people that don’t look like them. Even if this is the case it is still an error. White kid, painted black skin, painted white eyes and mouth should always ping up a big no. It is either veiled racism or carelessness arising from privilege. There is nothing else. They weren't attempting the Greendale Human Being, I think they were more inspired by it. I have no idea why the school didn't pretend the kids didn't often paint themselves in other colors so the school could pretend this time it was clearly racist. I have no idea why the school didn't look ahead to a time when the media and hordes of angry MAGA hat haters would dig through every photo and video they could get their hands on in order to cherry pic a narrative based on flimsy facts and reasoning. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but why would one paint their face black instead of white if one were attempting to look like this character? Because they weren't attempting to be the character, they painted their entire bodies because they were doing a Blackout theme, similar to how they painted their entire bodies for their whiteout theme and their blueout theme. Their mouth and eyes shape was clearly inspired by the Greendale Human Being character. Except, I never called you racist. I asked you to reflect and think about your choices. Have you considered how your opinion of why the kids are at fault centers whiteness, and how you are learning about the perspectives of the Native Americans who have weighed in on this issue? You insinuated my racist "choices" and the "white voices I was protecting" among other things I'm not going back to gather up. You didn't come right out and say the word racist, but that was certainly your point so you didn't need to. If I misunderstood your point, maybe you could explain in clearer terms what you meant if not that I was being racist by giving my opinion and providing facts that contradict the "MAGA hat wearing, racist, misogynistic, Catholic boys" narrative. You.keep talking about them not looking ahead... I want to know why they didn’t look BACK and realize that they were echoing an image that was historically known to be used to mock and degrade humans, which had been considered for many decades to be particularly gauche and unacceptable because of its inherent racism. They don’t need to look ahead, they just need to LOOK.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 11:00:00 GMT
Read through the last 6 pages and never saw anyone accuse the MAGA boys of being terrorists. The title of this thread is "MAGA group terrorizes Indigenous people at march". So yeah, some people (like the OP) accuse them of being terrorists. Surely you must know the difference in the meaning/ definition of the two words?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 27, 2019 12:16:54 GMT
Okay, I’m willing to entertain the idea that they attempted Greendale Human and landed on something... else. But in this day and age? NO ONE stopped and said whoa, bad optics there? Is really plausible that the rest of us are connecting all the wrong dots and NO ONE at the school anticipated that? I think this might illustrate how privilege can lead to a kind of naive worldview that can’t see the cultural and social issues faced by people that don’t look like them. Even if this is the case it is still an error. White kid, painted black skin, painted white eyes and mouth should always ping up a big no. It is either veiled racism or carelessness arising from privilege. There is nothing else. They weren't attempting the Greendale Human Being, I think they were more inspired by it. I have no idea why the school didn't pretend the kids didn't often paint themselves in other colors so the school could pretend this time it was clearly racist. I have no idea why the school didn't look ahead to a time when the media and hordes of angry MAGA hat haters would dig through every photo and video they could get their hands on in order to cherry pic a narrative based on flimsy facts and reasoning. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but why would one paint their face black instead of white if one were attempting to look like this character? Because they weren't attempting to be the character, they painted their entire bodies because they were doing a Blackout theme, similar to how they painted their entire bodies for their whiteout theme and their blueout theme. Their mouth and eyes shape was clearly inspired by the Greendale Human Being character. Except, I never called you racist. I asked you to reflect and think about your choices. Have you considered how your opinion of why the kids are at fault centers whiteness, and how you are learning about the perspectives of the Native Americans who have weighed in on this issue? You insinuated my racist "choices" and the "white voices I was protecting" among other things I'm not going back to gather up. You didn't come right out and say the word racist, but that was certainly your point so you didn't need to. If I misunderstood your point, maybe you could explain in clearer terms what you meant if not that I was being racist by giving my opinion and providing facts that contradict the "MAGA hat wearing, racist, misogynistic, Catholic boys" narrative. Because you refuse to look at the other facts surrounding each incident that reveals more about their awful behavior. You refuse to consider the jeers, mocking, that these boys were doing to the group at the a Lincoln memorial. (You blamed everyone else) You refuse to consider the words that another of these group of boys used regarding rape is okay if you like it. (You blamed the girls) Black face at the games. You refuse to look at the screaming and taunting they did to the black players on the opposing team (they have stated that they were offended) you whitewashed it to “school spirit”. So....if it waddles like a duck...quack likes a duck...
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 27, 2019 16:23:10 GMT
His mouth is shaped exactly like the Greendale Human Being which is very different from the shape of a painted mouth in typical blackface. As far as the school, they didn't look ahead to see that people would stretch that reality to fit into a racist narrative that doesn't actually exist. Okay, I’m willing to entertain the idea that they attempted Greendale Human and landed on something... else. But in this day and age? NO ONE stopped and said whoa, bad optics there? Is really plausible that the rest of us are connecting all the wrong dots and NO ONE at the school anticipated that? I think this might illustrate how privilege can lead to a kind of naive worldview that can’t see the cultural and social issues faced by people that don’t look like them. Even if this is the case it is still an error. White kid, painted black skin, painted white eyes and mouth should always ping up a big no. It is either veiled racism or carelessness arising from privilege. There is nothing else. I'll be called privilege or whatever else you want to throw my way, but without this board, I probably would know what blackface is. I don't live in an area where that is a thing. My children probably have no idea that that is a thing. If the school had other spirit nights where they wore the school colors and painted their faces those colors, I can totally see a child, who may be privileged also doing it for a black out. However, oce you throw in racist taunts, then the argument holds much less water, but on the surface.
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inkedup
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Post by inkedup on Jan 27, 2019 17:25:00 GMT
Okay, I’m willing to entertain the idea that they attempted Greendale Human and landed on something... else. But in this day and age? NO ONE stopped and said whoa, bad optics there? Is really plausible that the rest of us are connecting all the wrong dots and NO ONE at the school anticipated that? I think this might illustrate how privilege can lead to a kind of naive worldview that can’t see the cultural and social issues faced by people that don’t look like them. Even if this is the case it is still an error. White kid, painted black skin, painted white eyes and mouth should always ping up a big no. It is either veiled racism or carelessness arising from privilege. There is nothing else. I'll be called privilege or whatever else you want to throw my way, but without this board, I probably would know what blackface is. I don't live in an area where that is a thing. My children probably have no idea that that is a thing. If the school had other spirit nights where they wore the school colors and painted their faces those colors, I can totally see a child, who may be privileged also doing it for a black out. However, oce you throw in racist taunts, then the argument holds much less water, but on the surface. I don't understand how anyone could *not* know what blackface is in 2019. Is this part of history not taught in schools in your area? I'm not asking to attack. I am genuinely shocked that there are, apparently, places in America that don't comprehensively cover this country's historical treatment of black Americans.
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