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Post by freecharlie on Jan 27, 2019 17:42:49 GMT
I'll be called privilege or whatever else you want to throw my way, but without this board, I probably would know what blackface is. I don't live in an area where that is a thing. My children probably have no idea that that is a thing. If the school had other spirit nights where they wore the school colors and painted their faces those colors, I can totally see a child, who may be privileged also doing it for a black out. However, oce you throw in racist taunts, then the argument holds much less water, but on the surface. I don't understand how anyone could *not* know what blackface is in 2019. Is this part of history not taught in schools in your area? I'm not asking to attack. I am genuinely shocked that there are, apparently, places in America that don't comprehensively cover this country's historical treatment of black Americans. not when I graduated or got a degree in history (admittedly I focused on Asian history). We teach a lot about the treatmentand the civil rights movement, but as far as I know, we don't teach it. I did ask my 17 year old. He does know, but says he knows because of the internet.
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 27, 2019 17:43:50 GMT
I'll be called privilege or whatever else you want to throw my way, but without this board, I probably would know what blackface is. I don't live in an area where that is a thing. My children probably have no idea that that is a thing. If the school had other spirit nights where they wore the school colors and painted their faces those colors, I can totally see a child, who may be privileged also doing it for a black out. However, oce you throw in racist taunts, then the argument holds much less water, but on the surface. I don't understand how anyone could *not* know what blackface is in 2019. Is this part of history not taught in schools in your area? I'm not asking to attack. I am genuinely shocked that there are, apparently, places in America that don't comprehensively cover this country's historical treatment of black Americans. Blackface and the horrible ways we treated African Americans or engaged in racist behavior through the eras of American history was absolutely not taught at my public high school in the late 90s. Well, we covered general racism and segregation and the high profile stories of the 50s and 60s when the civil rights movement was glossed over. I think I became aware of blackface and that it was a form of racist behavior when I was in college. I didn’t know it was a thing before that. I was also generally unaware of the way movies portrayed black individuals via stereotypes of the times throughout history until I took Film Interpretation in college. We spent a crapload of time covering Jamestown, WWI, WWII, and Vietnam wars in social studies and history classes though.
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Post by inkedup on Jan 27, 2019 17:52:22 GMT
I don't understand how anyone could *not* know what blackface is in 2019. Is this part of history not taught in schools in your area? I'm not asking to attack. I am genuinely shocked that there are, apparently, places in America that don't comprehensively cover this country's historical treatment of black Americans. Blackface and the horrible ways we treated African Americans or engaged in racist behavior through the eras of American history was absolutely not taught at my public high school in the late 90s. Well, we covered general racism and segregation and the high profile stories of the 50s and 60s when the civil rights movement was glossed over. I think I became aware of blackface and that it was a form of racist behavior when I was in college. I didn’t know it was a thing before that. I was also generally unaware of the way movies portrayed black individuals via stereotypes of the times throughout history until I took Film Interpretation in college. We spent a crapload of time covering Jamestown, WWI, WWII, and Vietnam wars in social studies and history classes though. I graduated in 1995. We were taught about blackface. It's crazy that such an important facet of our history is still not being taught everywhere in this country. I'm astounded.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 27, 2019 18:33:46 GMT
Blackface and the horrible ways we treated African Americans or engaged in racist behavior through the eras of American history was absolutely not taught at my public high school in the late 90s. Well, we covered general racism and segregation and the high profile stories of the 50s and 60s when the civil rights movement was glossed over. I think I became aware of blackface and that it was a form of racist behavior when I was in college. I didn’t know it was a thing before that. I was also generally unaware of the way movies portrayed black individuals via stereotypes of the times throughout history until I took Film Interpretation in college. We spent a crapload of time covering Jamestown, WWI, WWII, and Vietnam wars in social studies and history classes though. I graduated in 1995. We were taught about blackface. It's crazy that such an important facet of our history is still not being taught everywhere in this country. I'm astounded. I was never taught about blackface in school, or by my family. I would venture to guess it's rarely taught about in most schools. I don't think it's explicitly taught in my high school. If you really want to be astounded by what we don't know and aren't taught, read Lies My Teacher Told Me and White Rage. When white culture dominates the narrative, is responsible for writing the textbooks and the curriculum, MUCH of history is left out, whitewashed, or flat out misrepresented. Prepare for a lot of astonishment. I'm getting quite the education, and I'm 44 years old. As white folks, I think we have a huge responsibility to start listening to, reading, and amplifying the voices of BIPOC in all our spaces: families, schools, with elected officials. It's the only way to dismantle institutional racism and white supremacy.
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Post by inkedup on Jan 27, 2019 18:37:36 GMT
I graduated in 1995. We were taught about blackface. It's crazy that such an important facet of our history is still not being taught everywhere in this country. I'm astounded. I was never taught about blackface in school, or by my family. I would venture to guess it's rarely taught about in most schools. I don't think it's explicitly taught in my high school. If you really want to be astounded by what we don't know and aren't taught, read Lies My Teacher Told Me and White Rage. When white culture dominates the narrative, is responsible for writing the textbooks and the curriculum, MUCH of history is left out, whitewashed, or flat out misrepresented. Prepare for a lot of astonishment. I'm getting quite the education, and I'm 44 years old. As white folks, I think we have a huge responsibility to start listening to, reading, and amplifying the voices of BIPOC in all our spaces: families, schools, with elected officials. It's the only way to dismantle institutional racism and white supremacy. We read Lies My Teacher Told Me in my AP US History class. I had some amazing teachers.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 27, 2019 18:57:02 GMT
I was never taught about blackface in school, or by my family. I would venture to guess it's rarely taught about in most schools. I don't think it's explicitly taught in my high school. If you really want to be astounded by what we don't know and aren't taught, read Lies My Teacher Told Me and White Rage. When white culture dominates the narrative, is responsible for writing the textbooks and the curriculum, MUCH of history is left out, whitewashed, or flat out misrepresented. Prepare for a lot of astonishment. I'm getting quite the education, and I'm 44 years old. As white folks, I think we have a huge responsibility to start listening to, reading, and amplifying the voices of BIPOC in all our spaces: families, schools, with elected officials. It's the only way to dismantle institutional racism and white supremacy. We read Lies My Teacher Told Me in my AP US History class. I had some amazing teachers. THANK GOD FOR YOUR TEACHERS!!!! Doing it right. Now we just need the rest of us on board!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 19:58:43 GMT
It can never be said enough, imo, when explaining white privilege and white anxiety...
'When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 2:46:42 GMT
They weren't attempting the Greendale Human Being, I think they were more inspired by it. I have no idea why the school didn't pretend the kids didn't often paint themselves in other colors so the school could pretend this time it was clearly racist. I have no idea why the school didn't look ahead to a time when the media and hordes of angry MAGA hat haters would dig through every photo and video they could get their hands on in order to cherry pic a narrative based on flimsy facts and reasoning. Because they weren't attempting to be the character, they painted their entire bodies because they were doing a Blackout theme, similar to how they painted their entire bodies for their whiteout theme and their blueout theme. Their mouth and eyes shape was clearly inspired by the Greendale Human Being character. You insinuated my racist "choices" and the "white voices I was protecting" among other things I'm not going back to gather up. You didn't come right out and say the word racist, but that was certainly your point so you didn't need to. If I misunderstood your point, maybe you could explain in clearer terms what you meant if not that I was being racist by giving my opinion and providing facts that contradict the "MAGA hat wearing, racist, misogynistic, Catholic boys" narrative. Because you refuse to look at the other facts surrounding each incident that reveals more about their awful behavior. You refuse to consider the jeers, mocking, that these boys were doing to the group at the a Lincoln memorial. (You blamed everyone else) You refuse to consider the words that another of these group of boys used regarding rape is okay if you like it. (You blamed the girls) Black face at the games. You refuse to look at the screaming and taunting they did to the black players on the opposing team (they have stated that they were offended) you whitewashed it to “school spirit”. So....if it waddles like a duck...quack likes a duck... Coming to a different conclusion than you did, doesn't mean I refused to consider things. I very thoughtfully considered what was said about the boys, looked at the evidence and disagreed. I very thoughtfully explained why and backed up my thoughts. As far as screaming and taunting the black players on the opposing team, that happens at all sporting events (except tennis and golf) no matter what race they are. They don't escape the trash talking based on the color of their skin, or because the fans are having a body painting theme day. ETA: SockMonkey this is an example of some of that "over-the-top, reactionary, skewed comprehension or interpretation...perspectives" you asked about.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 2:49:28 GMT
Okay, I’m willing to entertain the idea that they attempted Greendale Human and landed on something... else. But in this day and age? NO ONE stopped and said whoa, bad optics there? Is really plausible that the rest of us are connecting all the wrong dots and NO ONE at the school anticipated that? I think this might illustrate how privilege can lead to a kind of naive worldview that can’t see the cultural and social issues faced by people that don’t look like them. Even if this is the case it is still an error. White kid, painted black skin, painted white eyes and mouth should always ping up a big no. It is either veiled racism or carelessness arising from privilege. There is nothing else. I'll be called privilege or whatever else you want to throw my way, but without this board, I probably would know what blackface is. I don't live in an area where that is a thing. My children probably have no idea that that is a thing. If the school had other spirit nights where they wore the school colors and painted their faces those colors, I can totally see a child, who may be privileged also doing it for a black out. However, oce you throw in racist taunts, then the argument holds much less water, but on the surface. Were the kids throwing racist taunts at the players?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 28, 2019 12:02:33 GMT
Because you refuse to look at the other facts surrounding each incident that reveals more about their awful behavior. You refuse to consider the jeers, mocking, that these boys were doing to the group at the a Lincoln memorial. (You blamed everyone else) You refuse to consider the words that another of these group of boys used regarding rape is okay if you like it. (You blamed the girls) Black face at the games. You refuse to look at the screaming and taunting they did to the black players on the opposing team (they have stated that they were offended) you whitewashed it to “school spirit”. So....if it waddles like a duck...quack likes a duck... Coming to a different conclusion than you did, doesn't mean I refused to consider things. I very thoughtfully considered what was said about the boys, looked at the evidence and disagreed. I very thoughtfully explained why and backed up my thoughts. As far as screaming and taunting the black players on the opposing team, that happens at all sporting events (except tennis and golf) no matter what race they are. They don't escape the trash talking based on the color of their skin, or because the fans are having a body painting theme day. ETA: SockMonkey this is an example of some of that "over-the-top, reactionary, skewed comprehension or interpretation...perspectives" you asked about. And once again, your “conclusion” is a whitewash the reality of what transpired. Over and over, your willful ignorance is on display with each of your posts. You think it’s clever that these very offensive racial attacks, the verbal sexual assaults, whether subtle or screaming to the targets can be cloaked by the excuses you give. It screams volumes about the kind of person you are and what you believe. And honey, my reaction hasn’t been over the top, nor a skewed perception——that is completely all on you. But you likely already know that, and are just once again, making excuses.
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Post by mustlovecats on Jan 28, 2019 13:14:34 GMT
Okay, I’m willing to entertain the idea that they attempted Greendale Human and landed on something... else. But in this day and age? NO ONE stopped and said whoa, bad optics there? Is really plausible that the rest of us are connecting all the wrong dots and NO ONE at the school anticipated that? I think this might illustrate how privilege can lead to a kind of naive worldview that can’t see the cultural and social issues faced by people that don’t look like them. Even if this is the case it is still an error. White kid, painted black skin, painted white eyes and mouth should always ping up a big no. It is either veiled racism or carelessness arising from privilege. There is nothing else. I'll be called privilege or whatever else you want to throw my way, but without this board, I probably would know what blackface is. I don't live in an area where that is a thing. My children probably have no idea that that is a thing. If the school had other spirit nights where they wore the school colors and painted their faces those colors, I can totally see a child, who may be privileged also doing it for a black out. However, oce you throw in racist taunts, then the argument holds much less water, but on the surface. A person with privilege isn’t a bad person... a person with privilege is a person who gets to not know about blackface, for example... because it never affected them in any way. If this school was attempting something else as argued above, then that is a careless error arising from privilege, probably related to the fact that there are no nonwhite staff in the entire school.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 28, 2019 15:07:41 GMT
A person with privilege isn’t a bad person... a person with privilege is a person who gets to not know about blackface, for example... because it never affected them in any way. Trouble is that several years ago, Julianne Hough, formerly of DWTS, wore blackface for Halloween (I think it was) and was widely called out, all over the news. www.tvguide.com/news/julianne-hough-blackface-costume-apology/
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 28, 2019 15:08:19 GMT
I struggle with getting people here to see how wrong it is. People say “but they are just dressing up, it’s like fancy dress” and there is a Doll here that people talk about fondly and would like it to make a comeback as a loved toy and they can not see how wrong that is. I will never stop marveling how discussions on this board uncover/illuminate such radical differences in experience in different areas of this country. I started lurking here in 2010 after reading an 18-page thread about Christian Evangelicalism. I didn’t personally know a single Evangelical, hence the fascination. (But I certainly did know about their existence and their political rise and influence, so there’s that.) So, it’s fascinating to keep reading here about blackface ignorance. I doubt it was explicitly taught to me; I could believe my children were not explicitly taught. I just reckon this knowledge is part of general cultural literacy - you see a movie or read or book or consume pop culture news, e.g. the huge controversy when Ted Danson performed in blackface at a roast for then-girlfriend Whoopi Goldberg. A high school I know well (Catholic, actually) has the school colors black and white. I have not a scintilla of doubt that an overwhelming majority of the staff and parents would dissuade students from painting their faces black. Even considering the astonishing cultural differences I described when I started this post, it really does beggar belief that the adults at the Kentucky school somehow all managed to escape ever learning about blackface - so they could then apply caution even if the students were ignorant.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 28, 2019 16:33:56 GMT
This is not going to end until people change their attitudes, behaviors and take responsibility for their actions. University of Oklahoma says students involved in blackface video 'will not return to campus'By Nicole Chavez and Alta Spells, CNN Updated 2:04 AM ET, Tue January 22, 2019 CNN)University of Oklahoma students involved in a video showing a woman in blackface and possibly using a racial slur "will not return to campus," the university's president said in a statement. "This video signals to me that we have much more to do to create an environment of equity and respect," University of Oklahoma President James Gallogly said. "We must be purposeful to create authentic measures to address and abolish racist experiences for our students, faculty and staff." ** Prior to the student's dismissal, Moore had said the group deeply regrets the "insensitive and offensive actions" of one of its members and promised to hold the student accountable. The president of the university's student government association joined those condemning the video, urging students to report similar behavior and calling school officials to take action. ** www.cnn.com/2019/01/19/us/ou-blackface-video/
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 4:36:29 GMT
Coming to a different conclusion than you did, doesn't mean I refused to consider things. I very thoughtfully considered what was said about the boys, looked at the evidence and disagreed. I very thoughtfully explained why and backed up my thoughts. As far as screaming and taunting the black players on the opposing team, that happens at all sporting events (except tennis and golf) no matter what race they are. They don't escape the trash talking based on the color of their skin, or because the fans are having a body painting theme day. ETA: SockMonkey this is an example of some of that "over-the-top, reactionary, skewed comprehension or interpretation...perspectives" you asked about. And once again, your “conclusion” is a whitewash the reality of what transpired. Over and over, your willful ignorance is on display with each of your posts. You think it’s clever that these very offensive racial attacks, the verbal sexual assaults, whether subtle or screaming to the targets can be cloaked by the excuses you give. It screams volumes about the kind of person you are and what you believe.
And honey, my reaction hasn’t been over the top, nor a skewed perception——that is completely all on you. But you likely already know that, and are just once again, making excuses. This. This is the underlying reason most threads go south here. Because you deem it morally wrong to look at the evidence and come to a well thought out, perfectly rational, yet different conclusion and then people feel obligated to defend themselves. Stop doing that and watch how civil the conversation becomes here. No matter how many times you say it, I'm not okay with racism or sexual assault and my conclusion based on the evidence provided here doesn't say I am either.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 29, 2019 5:23:04 GMT
And once again, your “conclusion” is a whitewash the reality of what transpired. Over and over, your willful ignorance is on display with each of your posts. You think it’s clever that these very offensive racial attacks, the verbal sexual assaults, whether subtle or screaming to the targets can be cloaked by the excuses you give. It screams volumes about the kind of person you are and what you believe.
And honey, my reaction hasn’t been over the top, nor a skewed perception——that is completely all on you. But you likely already know that, and are just once again, making excuses. This. This is the underlying reason most threads go south here. Because you deem it morally wrong to look at the evidence and come to a well thought out, perfectly rational, yet different conclusion and then people feel obligated to defend themselves. Stop doing that and watch how civil the conversation becomes here. No matter how many times you say it, I'm not okay with racism or sexual assault and my conclusion based on the evidence provided here doesn't say I am either. More willful ignorance.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 29, 2019 17:22:18 GMT
m.tmz.com/#!2019/01/29/empire-star-jussie-smollett-attacked-hospitalized-homophobic-hate-crime/
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Post by MizIndependent on Feb 4, 2019 17:45:30 GMT
Has anyone seen this video recently put out by L. Lin Wood, the lawyer for Mr. Sandmann?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 4, 2019 17:55:16 GMT
Has anyone seen this video recently put out by L. Lin Wood, the lawyer for Mr. Sandmann?
I guess if one needs to control the narrative, it’s what you do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 16:19:32 GMT
Has anyone seen this video recently put out by L. Lin Wood, the lawyer for Mr. Sandmann?
I just saw this today on Facebook. The video shows a different side to the Native American than what previous news reports, social media and SJW celebrities have portrayed him as. The actual video shows the events completely different than what he alleged took place. It pretty much deflates the narrative that people took him at his word and ran with.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 6, 2019 17:56:24 GMT
Has anyone seen this video recently put out by L. Lin Wood, the lawyer for Mr. Sandmann?
I just saw this today on Facebook. The video shows a different side to the Native American than what previous news reports, social media and SJW celebrities have portrayed him as. The actual video shows the events completely different than what he alleged took place. It pretty much deflates the narrative that people took him at his word and ran with. Of course it shows “a different picture”. It is put out to make him look better. The fact that he has a PR person (who is also connected to Mitch McConnell) makes me give this video zero amount of credibility.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 21:26:52 GMT
I just saw this today on Facebook. The video shows a different side to the Native American than what previous news reports, social media and SJW celebrities have portrayed him as. The actual video shows the events completely different than what he alleged took place. It pretty much deflates the narrative that people took him at his word and ran with. Of course it shows “a different picture”. It is put out to make him look better. The fact that he has a PR person (who is also connected to Mitch McConnell) makes me give this video zero amount of credibility. Despite who put the video out, he claimed they surrounded him and he just wanted to go up the steps to the monument but the Covington kids prevented him from doing so. The video shows him bypassing a clear open path up the steps to the monument and opting to go up to the kids himself. That fact alone says a lot about this man's intentions.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Feb 6, 2019 21:48:59 GMT
I saw this video yesterday. I thought for about 30 seconds about sharing it here, but didn't want to deal with the pitchforks. A whole different side to be sure. Some people will exploit any situation. This Stolen Valor "Elder" clearly crafted a version of events that the media lapped up.
Interesting that some would feel an association with any name would invalidate credibility. I personally trust my own eyes (the video is long and not choppy) much more than the predigested crap doled out to the over eager hungry masses.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 7, 2019 0:10:42 GMT
I saw this video yesterday. I thought for about 30 seconds about sharing it here, but didn't want to deal with the pitchforks. A whole different side to be sure. Some people will exploit any situation. This Stolen Valor "Elder" clearly crafted a version of events that the media lapped up. Interesting that some would feel an association with any name would invalidate credibility. I personally trust my own eyes (the video is long and not choppy) much more than the predigested crap doled out to the over eager hungry masses. I think Mitch McConnell is a weasel, but IMO the association between him and the PR company is irrelevant except that it shows, to me, that the PR company would probably not be accessible to people unless they have privilege and money. The account that I heard from the Native American man was that he saw the tension getting high between the Covington boys and the other group (can’t remember their name right now) and he wanted to try to ease the tension. Who put it out does make a difference, especially if it is an altered, doctored video with a clear intent and purpose.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 7, 2019 0:14:31 GMT
I saw this video yesterday. I thought for about 30 seconds about sharing it here, but didn't want to deal with the pitchforks. A whole different side to be sure. Some people will exploit any situation. This Stolen Valor "Elder" clearly crafted a version of events that the media lapped up. Interesting that some would feel an association with any name would invalidate credibility. I personally trust my own eyes (the video is long and not choppy) much more than the predigested crap doled out to the over eager hungry masses. www.snopes.com/fact-check/nathan-phillips-vietnam-veteran/
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Post by MizIndependent on Feb 7, 2019 0:52:29 GMT
I saw this video yesterday. I thought for about 30 seconds about sharing it here, but didn't want to deal with the pitchforks. A whole different side to be sure. Some people will exploit any situation. This Stolen Valor "Elder" clearly crafted a version of events that the media lapped up. Interesting that some would feel an association with any name would invalidate credibility. I personally trust my own eyes (the video is long and not choppy) much more than the predigested crap doled out to the over eager hungry masses. www.snopes.com/fact-check/nathan-phillips-vietnam-veteran/
Also...
"Vietnam Times Veteran" vs "Vietnam Veteran"...might be splitting hairs to those of us not in the armed services but they really are two very different things.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 7, 2019 1:09:31 GMT
Also...
"Vietnam Times Veteran" vs "Vietnam Veteran"...might be splitting hairs to those of us not in the armed services but they really are two very different things.
I get that. What I read on Snopes was that the media called him a Vietnam veteran, where he said Vietnam-times. Either way, I think that the “stolen valor” comments are being overplayed by the right wing media and their ilk.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 7, 2019 1:18:13 GMT
Of course it shows “a different picture”. It is put out to make him look better. The fact that he has a PR person (who is also connected to Mitch McConnell) makes me give this video zero amount of credibility. Despite who put the video out, he claimed they surrounded him and he just wanted to go up the steps to the monument but the Covington kids prevented him from doing so. The video shows him bypassing a clear open path up the steps to the monument and opting to go up to the kids himself. That fact alone says a lot about this man's intentions. There are plenty of videos out that also show the kids surrounding and circling around him. While he may have had a clear path at one moment, it is absolutely possible that as the kids started to gather around him (a fact) he may have began to feel nervous as they were mocking his music. He walked up to a few kids. Within moments many more kids circled around and encompassed him. So...Kristin is correct. The video was only snippets of things that happened that day, and wasn’t a whole chronological picture as they would like you to believe of the little angels. It does not say anything about this man’s intentions. You act like the man was nefarious and devious and lying. He stated that he walked up playing music to try to diffuse the hateful shouting. Fact—the radical Hebrew group what shouting disgusting things out to the kids. Fact—those kids ASKED permission from their chaperones to do their “school spirit cheers” as a way of responding/retaliation to the radical group. Therefore escalating the hateful rhetoric of the Radical group. Egging them on. The smart and right thing to do would have been for the chaperones to pull those kids back and walk away from the ugly radical group. If I were a parent if those kids, and chaperones did that, I’d be pissed that they allowed the kids to be involved in what could have turned very dangerous. So there are many snippets of videos that are pairing pictures here, and many of those snippets STILL point to those boys as being arrogant, mocking, and wrong in their actions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 3:05:06 GMT
Also...
"Vietnam Times Veteran" vs "Vietnam Veteran"...might be splitting hairs to those of us not in the armed services but they really are two very different things.
"I'm a Vietnam vet." "I don't talk much about my Vietnam time." "When I come home, I was spit on." That doesn't sound like someone trying to prevent people from thinking he's served in Vietnam. Just the opposite.
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Post by bazinga on Feb 7, 2019 11:32:07 GMT
I think the Native American man who was standing next to Sandmann with his back to the group of high school boys was very telling. Even though he was having a heated discussion with one of the students, he kept his back to, and remained standing with, the group of students. That's not something someone who was afraid would do. He may not have liked the students, but he obviously wasn't concerned that they would harm him.
Phillips is a proven liar, so I don't believe anything he says.
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