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Post by pierkiss on Apr 22, 2019 19:04:22 GMT
And Michelle, the floozy, WORE A SLEEVELESS DRESS. We should have known America was screwed. š I all seriousness? I do put a bit of the blame on Bill Clinton for some of it. There's a double edged sword to a President seeming too human. He actually started the whole thing of treating politicians/political leaders as another form of celebrity.Ā I am not talking about Monica Lewinsky or Gennifer lowers and the whole making public the notion that a President might enjoy sex... though I do admit to growing up in an era where we treated leaders as be such be too high minded for having such basic needs... part of the whole puritanical notions of sex (of which I'm admittedly guilty of holding). No... I am talking about going on Arsenio Hall, and instead of being like Elizabeth Warren & sticking to the issues & policy, doing normal, human things like playing the saxophone. And doing a town hall where someone asked him, "Boxers or briefs," and instead of being offended by such an inappropriate question, he chuckled and answered the question!!! A president or presidential candidate should NOT be talking about boxers or briefs!!!Ā No he did not. Ronald Regan was an actual celebrity. He was an actor long before he was a politician. The idea that Clinton brought in the age of presidential celebrities isnāt true. If I had to pick one who brought in the notion that a president was a ācelebrityā I would say it was JFK.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 22, 2019 19:13:30 GMT
The onset of senile dementia would explain alot. for which one? Guiliani or Trump? or both? I vote both. I was mentally trying to frame the right words AND make it clever too! BOTH!!
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Post by cycworker on Apr 22, 2019 19:17:18 GMT
I all seriousness? I do put a bit of the blame on Bill Clinton for some of it. There's a double edged sword to a President seeming too human. He actually started the whole thing of treating politicians/political leaders as another form of celebrity. I am not talking about Monica Lewinsky or Gennifer lowers and the whole making public the notion that a President might enjoy sex... though I do admit to growing up in an era where we treated leaders as be such be too high minded for having such basic needs... part of the whole puritanical notions of sex (of which I'm admittedly guilty of holding). No... I am talking about going on Arsenio Hall, and instead of being like Elizabeth Warren & sticking to the issues & policy, doing normal, human things like playing the saxophone. And doing a town hall where someone asked him, "Boxers or briefs," and instead of being offended by such an inappropriate question, he chuckled and answered the question!!! A president or presidential candidate should NOT be talking about boxers or briefs!!! No he did not. Ronald Regan was an actual celebrity. He was an actor long before he was a politician. The idea that Clinton brought in the age of presidential celebrities isnāt true. If I had to pick one who brought in the notion that a president was a ācelebrityā I would say it was JFK. You make an excellent point about RR. I am much too young to remember Kennedy; he was assassinated before I was born. According to my mom, though, he didn't necessarily seek to be viewed as a celebrity... he focussed on policy. Same with Reagan (though I was only 10 when he was elected President). He didn't talk about his career as an actor or anything like that. I put some of it on the media, too, re: Clinton. Back in the JFK days, for example (again, per my mother) they would have known all about his other women & such, but the media didn't see it as any of the public's business & they didn't cover it. So maybe the problem goes back to Gary Hart, when he had to quit the Democratic primary because he was cheating on his wife.
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 22, 2019 19:43:44 GMT
Lawd.Ā Ā I had to go watch the full interview, a mistake I will not be repeating anytime soon. So I guess the strategy now is to downplay the rebuttal report (if it even existed to begin with), and since they cannot rebut the actual events and testimonies in the Mueller report, theyāll just resort to character assassinations and more barefaced lying. Got it. What Giuliani said about McGahn not being a reliable witness because he gave three different versions on his testimonies is a lie. I read Vol II on Thursday and Friday, every single word on every single page, and nowhere does McGahnās story change. Trump wanted him to get rid of Mueller via Rosenstein AND wanted McGahn to release a statement denying that Trump did that. New rule per Giuliani: Itās OK for a campaign to solicit and use stolen information against an opponent from a hostile foreign power. (And itās OK to say things like this if youāre Trumpās shill.) It is hard for me to believe these days that Rudy Giuliani used to be a respected U.S. Attorney and mayor of NYC. WTAF? He has devolved into a Trump-sucking clown. . That is quite baffling to me, too.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 22, 2019 20:21:42 GMT
If I had to pick one who brought in the notion that a president was a ācelebrityā I would say it was JFK. I agree... this timeframe started the era of President as 'personality' for sure. television. Seeing them, hearing them talk while looking at them- focusing on what they look like, what they sound like, how their wives dress and act (how Barbara Bush was talked about is another good example of that before the Obamas) instead of their policies and projects, etc. DT has just amped it up to a whole 'nother level of 'reality' television. (Unfortunately, his idea of reality TV is more like Real Housewives or Big Brother instead of a documentary.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 21:24:36 GMT
Neera Tanden... āI worked in Clinton WH during impeachment; thereās a fundamental difference to today. During Clinton impeachment, the public perceived the events to be punishment for private behavior. Trump's obstruction is using power of the presidency to shield him from public accountability.ā He was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice. The only people that think or say he was impeached for having sex are the ones that are and/or were making excuses for his lying and obstruction of justice.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 21:30:11 GMT
And even more worrying, how do we deal with the American citizens who have taken the opportunity to show their hate openly? Doo we just pretend that we don't have Nazis living amongst us? What do you think COULD be done about people who have taken the opportunity to show their hate openly?
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Post by Just T on Apr 22, 2019 22:03:15 GMT
Neera Tanden... āI worked in Clinton WH during impeachment; thereās a fundamental difference to today. During Clinton impeachment, the public perceived the events to be punishment for private behavior. Trump's obstruction is using power of the presidency to shield him from public accountability.ā He was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice. The only people that think or say he was impeached for having sex are the ones that are and/or were making excuses for his lying and obstruction of justice. I think everyone knows he was impeached for lying and obstructing justice. Duh. The point was that he lied about a private matter. I think lying about getting a blow job is not even on the same level as the crap Trump has done, that people like you can't seem to stop defending.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 22:09:11 GMT
And Michelle, the floozy, WORE A SLEEVELESS DRESS. We should have known America was screwed. š Yeah..I cannot believe Republicans weāre OUTRAGED over that, but when liberals were upset over the āI donāt really care...do you?ā jacket, we were picking on Melania. The hypocrisy is STRONG with those people..... OUTRAGED? Really? Like Democrats were outraged over Melania wearing high heels on a plane? Or when Democrats were OUTRAGED when Melania would or wouldn't hold her husbands hand? Or when Democrats were OUTRAGED when Trump shook hands with someone? Or when Democrats were OUTRAGED that First Lady of the United States wore a FLOTUS hat? Or when Democrats were OUTRAGED when Melania would or wouldn't smile? That kind of OUTRAGE? Democrats were "outraged" over all of that and then bitch about the same kind of talk about the Obamas. The hypocrisy is STRONG with a lot of people it would seem. And the lack of self awareness.
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Post by pierkiss on Apr 22, 2019 22:10:33 GMT
He was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice. The only people that think or say he was impeached for having sex are the ones that are and/or were making excuses for his lying and obstruction of justice. I think everyone knows he was impeached for lying and obstructing justice. Duh. The point was that he lied about a private matter. I think lying about getting a blow job is not even on the same level as the crap Trump has done, that people like you can't seem to stop defending. Word.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 22:55:43 GMT
He was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice. The only people that think or say he was impeached for having sex are the ones that are and/or were making excuses for his lying and obstruction of justice. I think everyone knows he was impeached for lying and obstructing justice. Duh. The point was that he lied about a private matter. I think lying about getting a blow job is not even on the same level as the crap Trump has done, that people like you can't seem to stop defending. You're mistaking disagreeing with certain points being made based on statements out of context as defending him. As I said before, in agreement with Jeremysgirl, he may not have done anything criminal - according to the report, but he certainly seems to be severely lacking in the ethical department. No doubt.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 22, 2019 23:12:34 GMT
I think everyone knows he was impeached for lying and obstructing justice. Duh. The point was that he lied about a private matter. I think lying about getting a blow job is not even on the same level as the crap Trump has done, that people like you can't seem to stop defending. You're mistaking disagreeing with certain points being made based on statements out of context as defending him. As I said before, in agreement with Jeremysgirl, he may not have done anything criminal - according to the report, but he certainly seems to be severely lacking in the ethical department. No doubt. I think weāve already established that when faced with the choice of admitting heās done something awful or attacking the liberals, even when you know weāre actually right ... you will choose attacking the liberals. Nearly every time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 23:34:55 GMT
Neera Tanden... āI worked in Clinton WH during impeachment; thereās a fundamental difference to today. During Clinton impeachment, the public perceived the events to be punishment for private behavior. Trump's obstruction is using power of the presidency to shield him from public accountability.ā He was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice. The only people that think or say he was impeached for having sex are the ones that are and/or were making excuses for his lying and obstruction of justice. It was a set up and old Bubba fell for it. Spin it anyway you want but it was a set up. Plain and simple.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 23:42:20 GMT
You're mistaking disagreeing with certain points being made based on statements out of context as defending him. I think weāve already established that when faced with the choice of admitting heās done something awful or attacking the liberals, even when you know weāre actually right ... you will choose attacking the liberals. Nearly every time. Pointing out that there was more to what he said besides that one sentence is attacking?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 23:43:51 GMT
He was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice. The only people that think or say he was impeached for having sex are the ones that are and/or were making excuses for his lying and obstruction of justice. It was a set up and old Bubba fell for it. Spin it anyway you want but it was a set up. Plain and simple. You think Monica set him up? Or are you referring to something else?
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Post by Skellinton on Apr 23, 2019 0:04:57 GMT
If I had to pick one who brought in the notion that a president was a ācelebrityā I would say it was JFK. I agree... this timeframe started the era of President as 'personality' for sure. television. Seeing them, hearing them talk while looking at them- focusing on what they look like, what they sound like, how their wives dress and act (how Barbara Bush was talked about is another good example of that before the Obamas) instead of their policies and projects, etc. DT has just amped it up to a whole 'nother level of 'reality' television. (Unfortunately, his idea of reality TV is more like Real Housewives or Big Brother instead of a documentary.) I agree too. It is a pretty popular opinion that JFK won because he trounced Nixon on the first televised debate. Nixon was sweaty and visibly flustered ( I believe he was recovering from surgery), where as JFK was calm, rather handsome and put together.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 0:06:16 GMT
It was a set up and old Bubba fell for it. Spin it anyway you want but it was a set up. Plain and simple. You think Monica set him up? Or are you referring to something else? No, Ken Starr did. The original investigations by the Special Council had nothing to do with Clinton and Monica. But after several years they came up with nothing. Starr found out about the relationship between the two and used it as a Hail Mary to get something on him. And like I said old Bubba walked right in did what every other married man would do when asked about about having sex with another woman. He lied. Itās in their DNA. They canāt help themselves. Starr and company were pretty sure he would do just that. Of course you will dismiss this with some little spin of yours. But it doesnāt change what happened.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 0:11:33 GMT
"Now we know why Trump continues to minimize Russiaās role. Trumpās narcissism about the legitimacy of his election has prevented him from publicly acknowledging Russiaās attack and providing the leadership necessary to protect us from more. A president whose focus was on leading our nation would eagerly provide deterrence to Russia in the form of sanctions and retaliation for election hacking. (While the U.S. has imposed new sanctions, at times Trump has resisted congressional efforts to punish Russia.) In addition, a responsible president would make cybersecurity a top priority of the Department of Homeland Security. Instead, Trump sows discord in our country by making immigration enforcement his prime focus. Trumpās reaction to Russia interference will only embolden our adversary for future attacks. His self-absorption prevents him from fulfilling his duty that the laws be faithfully executed. Now that the Mueller investigation is over, and Trumpās motives have been exposed, staffers and Congress must play a stronger role in pushing Trump to the side and hardening our election system against attacks." nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/mueller-exposed-trumps-biggest-betrayal.html
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 0:14:07 GMT
You think Monica set him up? Or are you referring to something else? No, Ken Starr did. The original investigations by the Special Council had nothing to do with Clinton and Monica. But after several years they came up with nothing. Starr found out about the relationship between the two and used it as a Hail Mary to get something on him. And like I said old Bubba walked right in did what every other married man would do when asked about about having sex with another woman. He lied. Itās in their DNA. They canāt help themselves. Starr and company were pretty sure he would do just that. Of course you will dismiss this with some little spin of yours. But it doesnāt change what happened. I asked you a question to clarify your meaning. There's nothing to dismiss.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 0:15:38 GMT
linkFor those who think trump didnāt do anything criminally wrong, here is the conclusion from the Muellerās Report on obstruction... āCONCLUSIONāāBecause we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.āThe linked article provides the 10 potential cases of obstruction and why they couldnāt move forward.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 0:18:19 GMT
No, Ken Starr did. The original investigations by the Special Council had nothing to do with Clinton and Monica. But after several years they came up with nothing. Starr found out about the relationship between the two and used it as a Hail Mary to get something on him. And like I said old Bubba walked right in did what every other married man would do when asked about about having sex with another woman. He lied. Itās in their DNA. They canāt help themselves. Starr and company were pretty sure he would do just that. Of course you will dismiss this with some little spin of yours. But it doesnāt change what happened. I asked you a question to clarify your meaning. There's nothing to dismiss. And based on your past actions that is a little surprising.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 0:28:15 GMT
I can't believe we have to explain to Trumpites why his behavior rises to the level of impeachment. If a dem had done 1/10th of what Trump has done (i.e., only one of those 10 obstruction situations that Mueller laid out - ONLY ONE!!!) the GOP would have DESTROYED him/her.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 0:42:21 GMT
Ah, the good old days when GOP were willing to impeach.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 1:39:04 GMT
Phillip Rucker... āBarr says the White House and Trump's personal attorneys got an early look at the Mueller report.ā That quote is extremely misleading since he conveniently fails to mention that they were given the same redacted version that will be released to congress and that Trump asserted no executive privilege to any part of the report. I think you're missing the point here. The AG is the American people's attorney--not the president's."Iām still enjoying what Iām doing, thereās still work to be done. Iām still the Presidentās wing-man, so Iām there with my boy." Eric Holder I don't remember anyone being bothered when Holder was proclaiming to be Obama's.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 23, 2019 2:04:38 GMT
I think you're missing the point here. The AG is the American people's attorney--not the president's."Iām still enjoying what Iām doing, thereās still work to be done. Iām still the Presidentās wing-man, so Iām there with my boy." Eric Holder I don't remember anyone being bothered when Holder was proclaiming to be Obama's. So where did Holder tell lies, grossly misrepresent some sort (any sort) of investigation in an attempt to protect President Obama? Where did Holder blindly and loyally āsideā with President Obama at the expense of the American people?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 2:30:13 GMT
"Iām still enjoying what Iām doing, thereās still work to be done. Iām still the Presidentās wing-man, so Iām there with my boy." Eric Holder I don't remember anyone being bothered when Holder was proclaiming to be Obama's. So where did Holder tell lies, grossly misrepresent some sort (any sort) of investigation in an attempt to protect President Obama? Where did Holder blindly and loyally āsideā with President Obama at the expense of the American people? You are trying too hard. None of that was in that string and has nothing to do with what was quoted.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 23, 2019 2:57:17 GMT
So where did Holder tell lies, grossly misrepresent some sort (any sort) of investigation in an attempt to protect President Obama? Where did Holder blindly and loyally āsideā with President Obama at the expense of the American people? You are trying too hard. None of that was in that string and has nothing to do with what was quoted. Neither did your bringing up Holder. And my questions have everything to do with your response to who you were answering, which your response had absolutely nothing to do with their posts. But IOKIYR, right? You donāt have to answer anyoneās questions when you are spouting bullcrap, gaslighting and change of topic, right? You give your stupid ass reply āyouāre trying too hardā because your lame ass doesnāt know how to respond to a valid question to a post you made.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 3:07:54 GMT
You're supposed to be the "President's wingman" when you and the President are fighting together FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE against polluting corps, fraudsters, etc., vs. fighting FOR RUSSIAN INFLUENCE and OBSTRUCTORS OF JUSTICE AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE and CONSTITUTION.
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