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Post by bc2ca on Dec 12, 2019 9:06:58 GMT
I am angry that an HR professional would do this. He is not an HR professional!! He is a part owner of a talent agency. As an HR professional I am horrified at the way this season had unfolded. He was given every opportunity to fix his behavior and I'm stunned that it took an off camera, non contestant episode of bad behavior to have him removed from the game. It isn't clear from the way the show is edited, but if Dan was pulled from the game on his way out of Tribal, it means Jeff knew he was going to be pulled before Elaine was eliminated. And, IMHO, that stinks.
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Post by grammadee on Dec 12, 2019 10:57:29 GMT
It isn't clear from the way the show is edited, but if Dan was pulled from the game on his way out of Tribal, it means Jeff knew he was going to be pulled before Elaine was eliminated. And, IMHO, that stinks. This bothers me too. Sometimes when a person is medi vacced out, they cancel the eviction. He got to VOTE. But maybe this all came down afterward? Looks like the next day when Jeff arrives at their camp.
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Post by h2ohdog on Dec 12, 2019 11:53:39 GMT
Maybe next week, Elaine will be back?🤞🏻
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Post by leslie132 on Dec 12, 2019 11:58:03 GMT
While I like Elaine and wish she had stayed Dans vote was for Noura...unless I’m remembering it wrong, because even if you dont count his vote since he was being asked to leave it still doesn’t help Elaine. So I’m sad she is gone, but the tribe did majority wise vote her out!
So on my FB feed there is a post from Jeff Varner and he is fuming. From what he typed it said he is in contact with a lot of the cast and why they are pretaping the finale is because there are a lot of tribe mates still backing Dan, and are leaving Kellee out to dry. The cast planned on calling out production and that’s why they went to taping it. I don’t understand how anyone can back him. He is such a nasty dog. Is anyone else reading these types of posts? I just don’t understand how you can cover for Dan. Even if his touching doesn’t hit your “creep-O- meter” can’t you step back and understand how it can bother someone else?
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Post by Skellinton on Dec 12, 2019 12:32:06 GMT
We don’t know it was production. I imagine there are other people around where they are kept, staff at the Ponderosa; chefs, house cleaners, hospitality, etc. I am more inclined to think it was one of them. Just shows how clueless and un self aware people are, or how ignorant and self important. It is shocking that he would continue to harass people after being called out on it. I am glad he was removed. I hope he faces some repercussions for his actions. It happe How would it be someone from Ponderosa? He was still in the game, in the camp with the others - they don’t have chefs or cleaners? I was thinking he was voted off (wishful thinking!) , of course you are correct!
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Post by Country Ham on Dec 12, 2019 12:42:06 GMT
While I like Elaine and wish she had stayed Dans vote was for Noura...unless I’m remembering it wrong, because even if you dont count his vote since he was being asked to leave it still doesn’t help Elaine. So I’m sad she is gone, but the tribe did majority wise vote her out! So on my FB feed there is a post from Jeff Varner and he is fuming. From what he typed it said he is in contact with a lot of the cast and why they are pretaping the finale is because there are a lot of tribe mates still backing Dan, and are leaving Kellee out to dry. The cast planned on calling out production and that’s why they went to taping it. I don’t understand how anyone can back him. He is such a nasty dog. Is anyone else reading these types of posts? I just don’t understand how you can cover for Dan. Even if his touching doesn’t hit your “creep-O- meter” can’t you step back and understand how it can bother someone else? I haven't seen any on FB just here BUT I personally think it's to avoid questions on editing. Time line editing for show purposes and just the editing in general. Not even related solely to Dan, but also the issues with the durag comments, and the comments about why it wasn't pointed out that women of color were holding idols. At this point I am feeling led by production and Jeff. He keeps saying "so many issues this season" and I agree but I wonder how it all really came into play, when they came into play, and how much was editing.
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Post by tanya2 on Dec 12, 2019 13:55:47 GMT
If you read Jeff Varner's facebook feed he's saying that Dan wasn't evicted for the reason everybody thinks, and that production has edited the whole season to make him look like the bad guy??? www.facebook.com/jkvarner
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Post by verdepea on Dec 12, 2019 14:13:59 GMT
I am angry that an HR professional would do this. He is not an HR professional!! He is a part owner of a talent agency. As an HR professional I am horrified at the way this season had unfolded. He was given every opportunity to fix his behavior and I'm stunned that it took an off camera, non contestant episode of bad behavior to have him removed from the game. It isn't clear from the way the show is edited, but if Dan was pulled from the game on his way out of Tribal, it means Jeff knew he was going to be pulled before Elaine was eliminated. And, IMHO, that stinks. I thought he was a HR Talent Management, not owner of a Talent Agency, for Hollywood. I know those are TWO totally different jobs and are not similar in any. Thank you for clarifying for me...
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Post by christine58 on Dec 12, 2019 14:39:16 GMT
If you read Jeff Varner's facebook feed he's saying that Dan wasn't evicted for the reason everybody thinks, and that production has edited the whole season to make him look like the bad guy??? www.facebook.com/jkvarnerHe’s got his own “sour grapes” with that show.
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Post by Country Ham on Dec 12, 2019 15:11:23 GMT
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Post by cme37 on Dec 12, 2019 15:13:23 GMT
This whole thing is odd. The others did not seem super surprised that Dan was out. They were just like, "oh, ok." And I never understood how Janet kept being friends with Dan after everything that was said about him. She is all for women (and I truly believe she is), but why was she continuing to be buddy, buddy with him if he is as creepy as they are making him out to be. She doesn't seem to be the type to continue to be friends with him for game play. I have never understood that dynamic.
And I do believe Kellee that he was super inappropriate with her, but what happened that finally was the last straw? Everything is so ambiguous.
The way they announced he was pulled was so out of left field. Nothing had been said about him since the blow-up with Kellee. It was like it never happened and then BAM-he is gone. So weird.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Dec 12, 2019 15:29:11 GMT
And I never understood how Janet kept being friends with Dan after everything that was said about him. She is all for women (and I truly believe she is), but why was she continuing to be buddy, buddy with him if he is as creepy as they are making him out to be. She doesn't seem to be the type to continue to be friends with him for game play. I have never understood that dynamic. I could be wrong but I think it's because most of the women reneged on what they said to her about him and she felt badly and thought she had wrongly accused him. It's all very confusing. I hope this mess doesn't spell the end to the show.
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Post by krcrafts on Dec 12, 2019 16:28:28 GMT
I feel that he was asked to stop the touching more than once, warned by production in a group and in private to stop the touching and whether this incident was accidental or not, he put himself in that position where they really couldn’t know if it was accidental or not.
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Post by femalebusiness on Dec 12, 2019 16:44:54 GMT
OMG.... I am still in shock!!! I’m so sad about Elaine though... they should have brought her back I was hoping they would bring her back because Dan left. I hate that she went home.
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Post by kels99 on Dec 12, 2019 17:17:18 GMT
We're hoping they will give Robb and Sandra one joint vote to replace Dan's jury vote.
I hope the women who embellished the truth when talking to Janet also have some consequences. I'm not sticking up for Dan in any way, but it is not ok for them to lie about that kind of thing.
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Post by tanya2 on Dec 12, 2019 18:28:31 GMT
If you read Jeff Varner's facebook feed he's saying that Dan wasn't evicted for the reason everybody thinks, and that production has edited the whole season to make him look like the bad guy??? www.facebook.com/jkvarnerHe’s got his own “sour grapes” with that show. Very true.
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Post by Outspoken on Dec 12, 2019 19:07:23 GMT
He’s got his own “sour grapes” with that show. Very true. I don’t like Jeff Varner and don’t know how much of what he say I can believe.
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Post by birukitty on Dec 12, 2019 20:26:07 GMT
My mouth literally dropped open last night at the end of the show when Jeff came into camp and announced that Dan had been sent home. In my opinion he should have been sent home much earlier when he kept touching Kellee even after she asked him repeatedly to stop and there was film proof of it when he was chasing her down the beach reaching for her hair and parts of her body. Why didn't Survivor send him home then? Because instead of just taking Kellee's word for it they felt they needed more than one person's complaint and so they asked Missy and Elizabeth who both lied! Why wasn't Kellee's word good enough? Instead Kellee paid the ultimate price by getting voted out by her tribemates. WTF?! So Dan gets a talking to instead and is free to reach out with his creepy unwanted touch to another unsuspecting woman and here we are-finally the right thing is done and he is kicked off the island and sent home. Except now there is another victim. Who didn't need to be a victim at all if Survivor had done the right thing in the first place when Kellee confessed to them what Dan had been doing.
I love Survivor. I've watched every single episode and every season twice except for the last 3-4 because they haven't put those on Hulu yet. I love everything about the game and the show. But this season because of the above it has really put a cloud over my head. When Missy and Elizabeth lied was the low point for me especially when Kellee got voted out. Last night when Elaine got voted out was another low point. I loved Elaine. She has a fantastic sense of humor and loves herself just as she is. She seems like she would be a fantastic friend to hang around with. I would have loved to have her win it all.
Of the folks left I think I'm rooting for Janet and then Dean. I'm just not excited about this season. I guess that's okay because it's over next week. Hard to believe the finale is coming up so soon.
I don't think running around in underwear or even nudity has anything to do with what happened this season. I think Dan's issue had to do with power and the lack of guidelines and self awareness. They say rape has nothing to do with sexual desire but is all about power. I think in a much lesser way what Dan did is somewhat like that. But I could be 100% wrong. I have no training in the psychology field. I'm just going by what my reading and brain is telling me. Also the fact that this has never happened before in all of the seasons Survivor's been on and players running around in their underwear and even nude/semi nude.
In the end this is a game that is a social experiment. Each season is completely different because of the players that get chosen to play that season which is what makes Survivor so special. I think Survivor dropped the ball by not kicking Dan out earlier in the game when Kellee's complaint came up.
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Post by hutchfan on Dec 12, 2019 20:47:14 GMT
Does anybody else think Dan looks like Harvey Weinstein? I thought he did and they should've sent him home right after Kellee reported him.
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Post by MichyM on Dec 12, 2019 20:57:54 GMT
My mouth literally dropped open last night at the end of the show when Jeff came into camp and announced that Dan had been sent home. In my opinion he should have been sent home much earlier when he kept touching Kellee even after she asked him repeatedly to stop and there was film proof of it when he was chasing her down the beach reaching for her hair and parts of her body. Why didn't Survivor send him home then? Because instead of just taking Kellee's word for it they felt they needed more than one person's complaint and so they asked Missy and Elizabeth who both lied! Why wasn't Kellee's word good enough? Instead Kellee paid the ultimate price by getting voted out by her tribemates. WTF?! So Dan gets a talking to instead and is free to reach out with his creepy unwanted touch to another unsuspecting woman and here we are-finally the right thing is done and he is kicked off the island and sent home. Except now there is another victim. Who didn't need to be a victim at all if Survivor had done the right thing in the first place when Kellee confessed to them what Dan had been doing. I agree with all of this. I watched very late last night and was shocked that it took until a member of the production team was assaulted before the powers that be at Survivor did the right thing. They really let a lot of people down. I think the two most affected, Kelley and Janet, should be invited back to play again soon.
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Post by workingclassdog on Dec 12, 2019 21:25:41 GMT
I am sure the 'people' as in the production crew, Jeff, and who knows who else have to walk a very thin line on what to do with Dan. I am sure there is so much editing and whatnot maybe we are not seeing exactly how it all played out and in order. I am just glad they did get him off, but I feel like as in the past, that was the person out and then Elaine could have stayed in. But like I said we don't really know all the time frame and behind the scenes stuff. What a season though!!
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Post by bc2ca on Dec 12, 2019 21:32:20 GMT
I feel that he was asked to stop the touching more than once, warned by production in a group and in private to stop the touching and whether this incident was accidental or not, he put himself in that position where they really couldn’t know if it was accidental or not. At the very least, the benefit of the doubt has to go to the accuser and witness after all this. Dan's default mood is to touch and caress women without a care about how they feel. The clip of him literally chasing Kellee down the beach, wanting to touch her hair is a great example. How could she be any more clear than emphatically saying "no" and physically removing herself from his reach? His response is to chase her saying "my hands are clean". It is disingenuous to claim any innocence. Onto other parts of the show. I loved Tommy talking about Dean being a nonplayer/goat. I really don't like Dean and can't wait to see him use the Legacy Idol. Rob & Sandra deserve Emmys for keeping their composure when he showed it to them. I am over Tommy's outrage at Noura not falling in line and actually hope she manages to get him out. Or gets to the final with him and she wins. I am kind of hoping for a Janet, Noura and Lauren finale.
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Post by CarolinaGirl71 on Dec 12, 2019 22:31:10 GMT
Does anybody else think Dan looks like Harvey Weinstein? I thought he did and they should've sent him home right after Kellee reported him. Yes!!! I have thought this since the inappropriate touching issue first came up. That's creepy!
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Post by scrappersue on Dec 12, 2019 22:54:21 GMT
Dean can only use his "fake" legacy idol when there are 6 people left. Well now there are only 5 so he won't be able to use it. I was so looking forward to that.
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Post by christine58 on Dec 12, 2019 23:37:16 GMT
Dean can only use his "fake" legacy idol when there are 6 people left. Well now there are only 5 so he won't be able to use it. I was so looking forward to that. I thought he used it already?
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Dec 12, 2019 23:58:22 GMT
Dean can only use his "fake" legacy idol when there are 6 people left. Well now there are only 5 so he won't be able to use it. I was so looking forward to that. I thought he used it already? He made a fake of the fake and tried playing that.
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Post by leslie132 on Dec 13, 2019 1:20:54 GMT
If you read Jeff Varner's facebook feed he's saying that Dan wasn't evicted for the reason everybody thinks, and that production has edited the whole season to make him look like the bad guy??? www.facebook.com/jkvarnerHe’s got his own “sour grapes” with that show. Ding ding ding!!! Jeff Varner is not someone that I’d value their opinion. I’m sorry that everyone thinks that he could have accidentally touched her...... here is the thing......don’t get told on day 2 about touching, don’t get told on day 14 about touching and when you do accidentally touch someone on day 34 EVERYONE will believe you!! It’s like my man Dr Phil always says..... the best indicator of future behav ior is looking at past behavior! Dan has a problem. So I couldn’t care less what Jeff Varner has to say. You can’t be edited in a bad light if you don’t have bad behaviors to begin with!
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Post by sudie on Dec 13, 2019 3:27:51 GMT
Does anybody else think Dan looks like Harvey Weinstein? I thought he did and they should've sent him home right after Kellee reported him. Yes!! I was just telling DH that last night!
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Post by stampinchick on Dec 13, 2019 3:36:15 GMT
I don't think running around in underwear or even nudity has anything to do with what happened this season. I think Dan's issue had to do with power and the lack of guidelines and self awareness. They say rape has nothing to do with sexual desire but is all about power. I think in a much lesser way what Dan did is somewhat like that. But I could be 100% wrong. I have no training in the psychology field. I'm just going by what my reading and brain is telling me. Also the fact that this has never happened before in all of the seasons Survivor's been on and players running around in their underwear and even nude/semi nude. I don't think the underwear stuff had anything to do with this situation either. My point was that if production is going to be looking at changes they need to make going forward, the underwear/nudity thing is something that they also need to look at. I am quite certain I remember females commenting about being uncomfortable with purple underwear guy and maybe some others parading around where their junk was basically on display and when those challenges get physical they could easily come in contact with it. Production controls what they wear and there is no reason why some need to publicly wear their underwear instead of shorts. Same with the women. I'm sure some of them would much rather wear a bathing suit than bra and underwear. A bathing suit wouldn't cover up much more skin, but the fabric is thicker and provides more coverage.
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Post by jackie on Dec 13, 2019 5:29:22 GMT
Wow, what an episode! I agree that the whole Dan debacle put a cloud over this season, but I still loved it. Too many interesting people and such a diverse cast to not enjoy that. Janet finding the HII was great (although I think production needs to step up the hiding process), but I really hoped Elaine would find it. Her speeches at tribal counsel were pretty amazing. I thought she was incredible. I see great things in her future. Plus I loved her confidence and her ability to love herself as she is. The whole Dan thing was a huge shock to me. When they showed that extra scene after TC I was like wth?? I assumed it was a double episode until it ended shortly after that. i don’t know if the incident that got him voted out was bogus or not. If he just accidentally touched someone’s leg while steadying himself on the boat, that does sound ridiculous. But it is hard to believe that after his past behavior. And it’s hard to feel any sympathy for him after his bad behavior. As far as Jeff Varner (I read his FB post AND commented on it, which he deleted), he can go eff himself. He’s a dirty rotten player and the fact that he came to Dan’s defense actually discredits Dan MORE and doesn’t help Dan’s case. He said the other cast members support Dan and discredit Kellee. Really? So those lengthy and sometimes tearful apologies to Kellee on social media were all phony? If so, again that makes them look phony and awful. I would like to hear from them directly, not second-hand from slimy Varner’s bitter mouth. Bottom line is we watched the touching, we witnessed a very well-handled conversation with Kellee and Dan where she asked him to stop. We saw him apologize, promise to stop, and then continue to do it anyway. If Varner’s pea brain can’t understand why that’s not okay, then I have no words. It is aggravating that everything Kellee went through was tolerated, but one touch (allegedly) to a precious production members and he’s out. Makes the contestants seem like pieces of meat and THAT part is disappointing. okay, so here are a few links that I don’t think were already provided: Elaine’s Ponderosa Dalton’s recap
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