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Post by Night Owl on Jun 4, 2020 7:39:04 GMT
Doodlebug new baby collections show diversity. I am getting the message that "This forum has exceeded its attachment space limit. Your file cannot be uploaded." So I will put in links: Special Delivery (boy)
Bundle of Joy (Girl)
Also what I like is I didn't see "us" "we" "our" sayings which works well if you are a single mum or divorced.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 19:12:50 GMT
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jun 5, 2020 14:28:09 GMT
More thoughts months after this thread started. I do follow some design team members either because I like their work, or I like the lines they represent. The idea that a design only wants a DT with the same aesthetic is so very shortsighted. Why, oh why, would you want the limit your customer base? I'm a middle aged white woman. I don't have young children, I still scrapbook. The reason I follow people is to find ideas on how to use products that are not a literal representation of my life. I love doodlebug, but it's unapologetically cutesy. Show me how to use it in other ways. That's what design teams should be doing, and being encouraged to do. Expand the base, get new customers. Don't get me started on the idea that scrapbooking is only for people with children. I see that sentiment here and I've never understood the limitation on creativity. Hence, my everlasting love of Kelly Purkey. And despite my comment that I don't need a literal representation, that's easy for me to say as a white woman because I have a whole industry catering to a literal representation of me. It would be nice to have diversity of color and size. I have experiences I'm documenting that include people who are not white and not skinny. It'd be nice to have the option of paper that corresponds.
ETA: Also, the expectations on DTs is ridiculous. They should use designs from creators because their work is good. If the creators don't have a blog or YouTube channel, the house can host a post. I will say that this expectation is probably the most limiting to diversity. I know there is no way in hell I would ever want to be on a DT. There's no upside for most, which is why you have the same handful of people dominating. They've established their spot and making room for more is harder than it used to be since there is no monetary incentive for a whole lot of work.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jun 5, 2020 15:08:46 GMT
Also, the expectations on DTs is ridiculous. They should use designs from creators because their work is good. If the creators don't have a blog or YouTube channel, the house can host a post. I will say that this expectation is probably the most limiting to diversity. Exactly! How many people can afford the time and money to have a YT channel, a blog and take care of social media? You're far more likely if you have a few years at home as a part-time or full-time SAHM but that's not something many can afford. If you're in that position or wish to continue working (or don't hav kids), you're already steps behind and the bubble simmers down to mostly white mothers in their mothering years. *deep sigh*
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 4:50:17 GMT
Another day, another white-washed design team.
Another tone-deaf manufacturer.
Another let-down in the world of crafting.
They want to be 'hip' and not seen as stodgy - but their thought process on representation is out of the Stone Age.
Wake the F#($* up, American Crafts.
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Post by Embri on Jul 7, 2020 5:33:57 GMT
I’d rather just scrapbook rather than watch someone else do it. My kid likes to watch videos of other kids opening stuff and that’s so weird to me. They provide an easy, constant dopamine rush. Unfortunately a lot of those 'unboxing' videos are poorly disguised advertisements for the toys. Worth having a serious talk about media literacy and motivations with any kid who consumes a lot of them. Can also lead to very unrealistic expectations and dissatisfaction once they actually do get a toy; the novelty wears off almost instantly. As for design teams, I don't pay any attention to them. The videos are always overproduced product advertisements with the same trite themes and current 'hotness'. Easy pass. More diversity would help breathe new life into things by a wide margin, but I have serious doubts that any of the big scrapbooking companies can do it genuinely and not as a shallow marketing ploy 'flavour of the month' type deal.
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Post by julie5 on Jul 7, 2020 14:16:43 GMT
I’d rather just scrapbook rather than watch someone else do it. My kid likes to watch videos of other kids opening stuff and that’s so weird to me. They provide an easy, constant dopamine rush. Unfortunately a lot of those 'unboxing' videos are poorly disguised advertisements for the toys. Worth having a serious talk about media literacy and motivations with any kid who consumes a lot of them. Can also lead to very unrealistic expectations and dissatisfaction once they actually do get a toy; the novelty wears off almost instantly. As for design teams, I don't pay any attention to them. The videos are always overproduced product advertisements with the same trite themes and current 'hotness'. Easy pass. More diversity would help breathe new life into things by a wide margin, but I have serious doubts that any of the big scrapbooking companies can do it genuinely and not as a shallow marketing ploy 'flavour of the month' type deal. You hit the nail on the head. My son often wants something for the instant gratification of opening it. Me? I take pictures of things I like but don’t need to buy. Maybe I should encourage him to do the same. So much cheaper than acquiring a bunch of stuff you don’t need and can’t store properly to enjoy it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 23:52:20 GMT
Let's include the utterly clueless American Crafts Design team announced on 7/6/2020. AFTER George Floyd. AFTER Breonna Taylor. AFTER BLM protests. AFTER AHMAUD ARBERY. AFTER American started owning up to SYSTEMIC RACISM.....
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Post by coffeegirl on Jul 10, 2020 21:18:48 GMT
Well, this is not surprising but disappointing
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Post by coffeegirl on Jul 10, 2020 21:21:57 GMT
Apparently I’m not able to attach an image or links right now but retrohip mama (Andrea Grey) just announced her personal design team that will use for illustrated Faith products and it’s pretty much all white presenting women.
I’m honestly not surprised because her reactions to the cultural conversation regarding BIPOC has been lukewarm and performative
I hope she can do better, And that people vote with their wallets
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 5:31:32 GMT
Apparently I’m not able to attach an image or links right now but retrohip mama (Andrea Grey) just announced her personal design team that will use for illustrated Faith products and it’s pretty much all white presenting women. I’m honestly not surprised because her reactions to the cultural conversation regarding BIPOC has been lukewarm and performative I hope she can do better, And that people vote with their walletsIt's the most effective way to force change.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 11, 2020 12:43:31 GMT
Apparently I’m not able to attach an image or links right now but retrohip mama (Andrea Grey) just announced her personal design team that will use for illustrated Faith products and it’s pretty much all white presenting women. I’m honestly not surprised because her reactions to the cultural conversation regarding BIPOC has been lukewarm and performative I hope she can do better, And that people vote with their wallets Illustrated Faith is featuring LaQuisha For pass the brush, from @confidentcanvas ( one of my fav IG’s to follow ) http://instagram.com/p/CCcXDvdAI65 I guess you could consider that performative, but I wasn’t buying illustrated faith products anyway ( except those puffy hearts that Michael's clearanced for 25 cents ) .
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Post by cumber1137 on Jul 11, 2020 21:48:04 GMT
Apparently I’m not able to attach an image or links right now but retrohip mama (Andrea Grey) just announced her personal design team that will use for illustrated Faith products and it’s pretty much all white presenting women. I’m honestly not surprised because her reactions to the cultural conversation regarding BIPOC has been lukewarm and performative I hope she can do better, And that people vote with their wallets Someone commented about it and she and some others ganged up on the commenter.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 11, 2020 21:59:33 GMT
Apparently I’m not able to attach an image or links right now but retrohip mama (Andrea Grey) just announced her personal design team that will use for illustrated Faith products and it’s pretty much all white presenting women.I’m honestly not surprised because her reactions to the cultural conversation regarding BIPOC has been lukewarm and performative. Someone commented about it and she and some others ganged up on the commenter. That's Andrea alright.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 14:00:18 GMT
Apparently I’m not able to attach an image or links right now but retrohip mama (Andrea Grey) just announced her personal design team that will use for illustrated Faith products and it’s pretty much all white presenting women. I’m honestly not surprised because her reactions to the cultural conversation regarding BIPOC has been lukewarm and performative I hope she can do better, And that people vote with their wallets Someone commented about it and she and some others ganged up on the commenter. Just another tone-deaf "Christian". Andrea: "I think if you could step into my shoes and have some knowledge about the process, then you might just be happy for these girls instead of judging me and my decisions. If anyone that you consider to be more diverse would have applied to this call, then I would give them the same consideration I gave to everyone else who applied." That is NOT how diversity and INCLUSION work, you uninformed "Christian". YOU reach out to places where BIPOC are and YOU make sure they know about the call. it is on YOU as the business owner to mitigate the issue of segregation that has existed for 400 years. She's always been a moronic thinker. And she's besties w/Tracie Claiborne, so ' nuff said.
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Post by mcjunkin on Jul 12, 2020 14:17:05 GMT
Have not read all the replies, so may have already been mentioned, but Altenew’s design team is pretty diverse. They are not a scrapbook company, per se, but have a scrapbook team who posts regularly for new releases and on their mixed media blog. scroll down the link to see the team. Altenew Team
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 12, 2020 14:17:39 GMT
She's always been a moronic thinker. And she's besties w/Tracie Claiborne, so ' nuff said. The complaining about having to work a normal day job, the sucking up to whichever indie designer is currently in, the I'm-so-quirky-woop-woop attitude, the TC twinning ("I'm not the problem, you are!"), the multiple attempts at becoming a big name (RIP shortlived podcast ), etc. Andrea's always been desperate to be allowed into the popular scrapbooking girls' group and darn it, she won't let anyone or anything stand in her way! Keep trying, "Dre".
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 12, 2020 14:21:59 GMT
Altenew’s design team is pretty diverse. They've always catered to a far more global audience and have carried products forMuslim and Jewish holidays for years. They've been working toward diversity and inclusion all along.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 12, 2020 14:23:11 GMT
Someone commented about it and she and some others ganged up on the commenter. Just another tone-deaf "Christian". Andrea: "I think if you could step into my shoes and have some knowledge about the process, then you might just be happy for these girls instead of judging me and my decisions. If anyone that you consider to be more diverse would have applied to this call, then I would give them the same consideration I gave to everyone else who applied." That is NOT how diversity and INCLUSION work, you uninformed "Christian". YOU reach out to places where BIPOC are and YOU make sure they know about the call. it is on YOU as the business owner to mitigate the issue of segregation that has existed for 400 years. She's always been a moronic thinker. And she's besties w/Tracie Claiborne, so ' nuff said. Well, maybe she needs to take a look at why her application process is so unwelcoming? I mean if no diverse people applied what ‘hidden’ obstacles does she have? Is the information only presented to an un-diverse group of people to apply? Does she use words or phrases that make people feel unwelcome in the language of the request? Maybe it’s a situation like if I put a DT request here on refupeas, said “ hey Refupeas apply to my DT” and then was all shocked when only peas applied. Yes it’s a public message board, and no I didn’t say non peas excluded but my language, while appearing ‘welcoming’ imply that only refupeas should apply. So in a scenario like I mentioned it doesn’t appear as if I want anyone besides refupeas to apply so anyone else on the fence would be like ‘why bother’ THATS what the problem is and she has no desire to fix it or look into it. I get it, she doesn’t want to insult this group of ladies but she could ask how she can appeal to a wider group for next time and how she can do better. But attacking people means she doesn’t want to do better or make any changes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 14:42:41 GMT
Just another tone-deaf "Christian". Andrea: "I think if you could step into my shoes and have some knowledge about the process, then you might just be happy for these girls instead of judging me and my decisions. If anyone that you consider to be more diverse would have applied to this call, then I would give them the same consideration I gave to everyone else who applied." That is NOT how diversity and INCLUSION work, you uninformed "Christian". YOU reach out to places where BIPOC are and YOU make sure they know about the call. it is on YOU as the business owner to mitigate the issue of segregation that has existed for 400 years. She's always been a moronic thinker. And she's besties w/Tracie Claiborne, so ' nuff said. Well, maybe she needs to take a look at why her application process is so unwelcoming? I mean if no diverse people applied what ‘hidden’ obstacles does she have? Is the information only presented to an un-diverse group of people to apply? Does she use words or phrases that make people feel unwelcome in the language of the request? Maybe it’s a situation like if I put a DT request here on refupeas, said “ hey Refupeas apply to my DT” and then was all shocked when only peas applied. Yes it’s a public message board, and no I didn’t say non peas excluded but my language, while appearing ‘welcoming’ imply that only refupeas should apply. So in a scenario like I mentioned it doesn’t appear as if I want anyone besides refupeas to apply so anyone else on the fence would be like ‘why bother’ THATS what the problem is and she has no desire to fix it or look into it. I get it, she doesn’t want to insult this group of ladies but she could ask how she can appeal to a wider group for next time and how she can do better. But attacking people means she doesn’t want to do better or make any changes. Exactly. That's NOT how Diversity and Inclusion work. You don't reach out to the same old segregated places and then be shocked, shocked I say, when no/few BIPOC apply And, of course, her sheepy followers dive straight to the bottom with the "but why should she lower her standards...." She's NOT LOWERING THEM. That is a racist assumption that whites are the best and by making room for non-whites, you couldn't possibly be finding BIPOC who are just as talented. No, they would have to be at a "lower standard". There are literally REAMS written at this point about how to work toward diversity and the answer is that it is on the person/company OF POWER in the relationship (the hiring party) to REACH OUT. It is not enough to just put out a call to the same old segregated places and then sit on your ass when only the same old segregated applicants come through the door.
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Post by fashionista on Jul 13, 2020 5:39:47 GMT
thanks! I'll check them out! I haven't seen yet, but I know I read something about how Mexicans (from Mexico) are offended by the usage of the "x" as well. By nature, Spanish language is gendered. So to disregard the use of Latino as a general descriptor is just grammatically wrong. Hi there! Latina/Hondureña here 🙋🏽♀️
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Post by camcas on Jul 13, 2020 6:47:42 GMT
I just came to post about Altenew but I see it’s old news!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 12:37:41 GMT
thanks! I'll check them out! I haven't seen yet, but I know I read something about how Mexicans (from Mexico) are offended by the usage of the "x" as well. By nature, Spanish language is gendered. So to disregard the use of Latino as a general descriptor is just grammatically wrong. Hi there! Latina/Hondureña here 🙋🏽♀️ But many are not offended. Especially the younger generations. I use Latinx as a gender-neutral term. Though I've also seen LantinE www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/10/15/20914347/latin-latina-latino-latinx-meansBut if someone tells me they prefer Latino or Latina for themselves personally, I change it for them. But not for referring to Latinx as both genders and for people who are gender non-conforming - i.e., to include all. So, Hi there, LatinA. www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/10/15/20914347/latin-latina-latino-latinx-means
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Post by lostwithout2peas on Jul 15, 2020 18:14:55 GMT
Wow, very interesting article! I personally go between Mexican-American or Hispanic. My family has been in America since before this area of the southwest where territories and was Mexico. So I would have to go back about 7 generations on my Dads side to go "accross" the border into Mexico, and 5 generations on my moms side. We have hung onto our ancestry and people are always surprised I speak Spanish. So I've never really used the term Latina to describe myself. Another term used in this area is Chicana/Chicano, which is people of Mexican decent born in the United states. I'm not a big fan of the Latino/Latina label cause it covers so many countries and makes people assume we are all the same when that is so not true! We may have some similarities, but there are so many differences! Heck, there are differences in just parts of Northern, central, and southern Mexico itself! I believe there are 20 Latin American countries, or something like that?!!
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jul 15, 2020 20:29:38 GMT
lostwithout2peas I grew up in Los Angeles and we used the term Chicano. However, even back in the 70s there was some trepidation at using that term if you weren’t hispanic. I had a hispanic last name so nobody was quite sure with me (Native-American, including Mexico, but the rest seriously white and I look it). Chicano was also usually associated with gang culture where I grew up (Hawaiian Gardens).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 21:09:45 GMT
Andrea: "I think if you could step into my shoes and have some knowledge about the process, then you might just be happy for these girls instead of judging me and my decisions. If anyone that you consider to be more diverse would have applied to this call, then I would give them the same consideration I gave to everyone else who applied." This is so incredibly tone deaf. It's called equity. Also, if we want to go there, I'd prefer their religion was left off the scrapbook supplies.
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Post by lostwithout2peas on Jul 16, 2020 15:48:14 GMT
lostwithout2peas I grew up in Los Angeles and we used the term Chicano. However, even back in the 70s there was some trepidation at using that term if you weren’t hispanic. I had a hispanic last name so nobody was quite sure with me (Native-American, including Mexico, but the rest seriously white and I look it). Chicano was also usually associated with gang culture where I grew up (Hawaiian Gardens). Yes, Chicano was used more here in the Mexican gangs as well, but has gained more mainstream use here in southwest Arizona as gangs aren't as big as a problem as they where in the 90's like when I was growing up. Now we have the oldschool Pachuco's, the older generation, who use it as well. And then the generation raised by the zoot suiters using it as well. So I think it all depends on the area too. But I have seen the term becoming more mainstream with the Latino/Hispanic activist I follow cause I see quite a few of them using it. It's all very interesting how we choose to label ourselves!! Makes me wanna do a social study and see how each one of my family members would label themselves, including my husband's side who is just 2 generations out of Mexico on his mom's side and is the 1st generation on dads. But the town his Dad is from is literally a small town split in half by the border of AZ and Mexico only about an hour and half from here and is almost exactly the same culture wise as us! Edited to add: I'm exactly the same as you! I look white, have a white 1st name and then a Mexican last name! And I don't know if your user name is your actual name, but my name is Charlotte!!😊
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jul 16, 2020 17:50:41 GMT
lostwithout2peas yes, that’s my name, which I haven’t liked most of my life. When I was younger it was so popular (#1 girls name through most of the 60’s and in the top 5 through the mid-70s). I really wish I made the switch to Charlotte. Now that I’m in my 50s Lisa sounds like a little girl’s name to my ear.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 16, 2020 18:46:16 GMT
Not going to lie, the debate around "Latinx" seems odd to me. I think it's super cool that there's a gender-neutral version of gendered adjectives. Us romance language folks struggle with gender neutral terms (except Romanians) so the -X ending immediately looked cool and very inclusive to me. Obviously, when referring to gendered groups/individuals who identify as male or female, it's logical to switch to Latino/Latina. I don't know. Seems like a non-issue to me.
But that's coming from the perspective of someone whose mother tongue doesn't allow for a neuter and thus gender neutral pronoun (plural masculine is used when referring to a mixed group).
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Post by lostwithout2peas on Jul 17, 2020 15:37:09 GMT
lostwithout2peas yes, that’s my name, which I haven’t liked most of my life. When I was younger it was so popular (#1 girls name through most of the 60’s and in the top 5 through the mid-70s). I really wish I made the switch to Charlotte. Now that I’m in my 50s Lisa sounds like a little girl’s name to my ear. My name was quite the opposite, very rare, especially in my predominantly Hispanic Community! I met my 1st Charlotte in high school, and she wasn't Hispanic!😂 Pretty much every Charlotte I have met, like all 5 in my 43 years weren't Hispanic! I was happy when Charlotte became popular cause I thought, finally, the barista at Starbucks will be able to spell my name!! NOPE! I still gotta give the fake easy name instead of doing the whole how do you spell it, they butcher it and call out some odd version of my name. So, yeah, problems of a hard to spell long name!😂
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