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Post by lasteve1 on Jul 17, 2020 17:16:50 GMT
Also, if we want to go there, I'd prefer their religion was left off the scrapbook supplies. I feel the same way, but then her team is only about bible journaling... so I guess I just kinda brush off those groups/teams as "not for me" and kinda expect them to be less inclusive. Not that it's an excuse, but they've already identified themselves as not inclusive by being only for Christians.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 17, 2020 17:44:34 GMT
Also, if we want to go there, I'd prefer their religion was left off the scrapbook supplies. I feel the same way, but then her team is only about bible journaling... so I guess I just kinda brush off those groups/teams as "not for me" and kinda expect them to be less inclusive. Not that it's an excuse, but they've already identified themselves as not inclusive by being only for Christians. Well I get it for bible journaling or something, then it’s necessary. Lord if I had pictures from the 70’s when my mother dragged us to Jesus camping festivals I’d need a few Loaves & fishes. Lol. But most of what us kids did at those wasn’t exactly religious. More random kid summer fun like tag & hide & seek. But when your at a religious festival playing hide & seek the ‘religion‘ can create unique hiding spots lmao. Alas I have found no pictures in my mothers picture bins But seriously I like if religious options are available if I/others want to add it in. But at this point it’s not prominent in my scrapbooks.,
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 18, 2020 12:51:22 GMT
Also, if we want to go there, I'd prefer their religion was left off the scrapbook supplies. I feel the same way, but then her team is only about bible journaling... so I guess I just kinda brush off those groups/teams as "not for me" and kinda expect them to be less inclusive. Not that it's an excuse, but they've already identified themselves as not inclusive by being only for Christians. Do we have non-religious book journaling projects in the scrappy world? Quran + Torah journaling seems to exist somewhat outside of the scrapbooking sphere but I don't believe I've ever seen any other major written works receive such a treatment. I'd be down with a secular project around an important book/series in philosophy and ethics.
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Post by lasteve1 on Jul 18, 2020 13:36:03 GMT
I feel the same way, but then her team is only about bible journaling... so I guess I just kinda brush off those groups/teams as "not for me" and kinda expect them to be less inclusive. Not that it's an excuse, but they've already identified themselves as not inclusive by being only for Christians. Do we have non-religious book journaling projects in the scrappy world? Quran + Torah journaling seems to exist somewhat outside of the scrapbooking sphere but I don't believe I've ever seen any other major written works receive such a treatment. I'd be down with a secular project around an important book/series in philosophy and ethics. I don't think I've ever seen that... I'm atheist so I'm not interested in journaling in any sacred texts, but I'm Jewish by race/heritage and I think if you mentioned drawing/painting/pasting things in the Torah to anyone I know that believes they would look at you with shock, haha. I do like journals in general and have found quite a bit of inspiration in bullet journals... but journaling in a book might be fun.... but what book... dictionary? I might enjoy a copy of the US Constitution... lol
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 18, 2020 13:50:38 GMT
Do we have non-religious book journaling projects in the scrappy world? Quran + Torah journaling seems to exist somewhat outside of the scrapbooking sphere but I don't believe I've ever seen any other major written works receive such a treatment. I'd be down with a secular project around an important book/series in philosophy and ethics. I don't think I've ever seen that... I'm atheist so I'm not interested in journaling in any sacred texts, but I'm Jewish by race/heritage and I think if you mentioned drawing/painting/pasting things in the Torah to anyone I know that believes they would look at you with shock, haha. I do like journals in general and have found quite a bit of inspiration in bullet journals... but journaling in a book might be fun.... but what book... dictionary? I might enjoy a copy of the US Constitution... lol I've seen some Torah journaling before but it could have been Christian rather than Jewish scrapbookers using the Torah. I don't think I've seen a Catholic or Orthodox Bible (with the deuterocanonical books) in the Bible journaling world yet (as a fellow atheist, I don't know much about it) and I'm sure some of the older generation Catholics I know would be absolutely appalled at the idea of doing such things to what they believe to be the word of God. Blasphemy! I'd be down with the ancient Greek philosophers. I could add some scribbles and colours to Plato's Symposium or the Letter to Menoeceus... The US Constitution sounds like a good project for American crafters right now, come to think of it!
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Post by caangel on Jul 18, 2020 14:01:08 GMT
This isn't a big enough audience for crafting companies to cater to but there's a podcast called Harry Potter and the Sacred Text. They go through the books chapter by chapter and use Judeo-Christian techniques to analyze them. One host is Jewish and one is Christian, both have masters from Harvard Divinity School. They have had Islamic and Hindu guests to speak from those points of view. Here a blurb from their website: "This podcast creates time in your week to think about life’s big questions. Because reading fiction doesn’t help us escape the world, it helps us live in it. Each week, we explore a central theme through which to explore the characters and context, always grounding ourselves in the text. We’ll engage in traditional forms of sacred reading to unearth the hidden gifts within even the most mundane sentences. On this podcast, we ask: What if we read the books we love as if they were sacred texts?" www.harrypottersacredtext.com/methodology
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Post by lilacgal on Jul 18, 2020 15:16:42 GMT
I don't think I've seen a Catholic or Orthodox Bible (with the deuterocanonical books) in the Bible journaling world yet (as a fellow atheist, I don't know much about it) and I'm sure some of the older generation Catholics I know would be absolutely appalled at the idea of doing such things to what they believe to be the word of God. Blasphemy! I know there are at least two Catholic Bibles for art journaling. I have a friend that does it. When I texted her a picture of the Catholic art journaling Bible I found at a scrapbook store, she said she has a different one. I’m still toying with the idea of getting it from Amazon. I love the idea of Bible journaling but even me, definitely not an old school Catholic, am a bit hesitant. I have also thought about incorporating it at school. My students might enjoy creating art for that weekend’s Gospel reading.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 18, 2020 15:28:04 GMT
On this podcast, we ask: What if we read the books we love as if they were sacred texts?" It's a very biased angle, however. A podcast where a literary professor could help navigate the many traps of looking only through one particular interpretative mirror would've been more interesting and more scientifically correct. My literary soul hurts when I see such biased approaches to literature. There is a study field dedicated to trying to find the right balance between historical context, historicity vs myth/legend, diverse overlapping symbolisms (including the Judeo-Christian angle with HP's obvious Manichean undertones), literary techniques and tools, it's a shame it's often not seen as much more than "people who read fiction".
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 18, 2020 15:31:11 GMT
I don't think I've seen a Catholic or Orthodox Bible (with the deuterocanonical books) in the Bible journaling world yet (as a fellow atheist, I don't know much about it) and I'm sure some of the older generation Catholics I know would be absolutely appalled at the idea of doing such things to what they believe to be the word of God. I know there are at least two Catholic Bibles for art journaling. I have a friend that does it. When I texted her a picture of the Catholic art journaling Bible I found at a scrapbook store, she said she has a different one. I’m still toying with the idea of getting it from Amazon. I love the idea of Bible journaling but even me, definitely not an old school Catholic, am a bit hesitant. I have also thought about incorporating it at school. My students might enjoy creating art for that weekend’s Gospel reading. I think incorporating artistic interpretation is always a plus in education. It allows for everyone to find a different way to focus on what's being taught, including those who may not be particularly interested in the topic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 13:55:41 GMT
See, American Crafts, it wasn't so hard to act like a responsible company in the 21st century (after being prodded and shamed into it!)
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Post by hop2 on Jul 25, 2020 15:18:50 GMT
I feel the same way, but then her team is only about bible journaling... so I guess I just kinda brush off those groups/teams as "not for me" and kinda expect them to be less inclusive. Not that it's an excuse, but they've already identified themselves as not inclusive by being only for Christians. Do we have non-religious book journaling projects in the scrappy world? Quran + Torah journaling seems to exist somewhat outside of the scrapbooking sphere but I don't believe I've ever seen any other major written works receive such a treatment. I'd be down with a secular project around an important book/series in philosophy and ethics. That is something I’ve been contemplating. I haven’t found the right thing yet ( for me ) I’ve considered Maya Angelou’s Poetry, Maybe something like ‘And still I Rise‘ ? And poetry anthologies. I’m trying to get ‘being human’ by Neil Astley to read right now. I guess the trick is to get the pages large/spaced enough to journal/draw beside/around it. AND to get over the do not write/draw in books that has been drummed into my head. I’ve considered maybe to buy a pdf version & print it out With extra space around it but I just haven’t yet
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Post by cbscrapper on Dec 22, 2020 13:48:17 GMT
SC and Ali E have announced their design teams. Tazhi is going to be a busy lady with all the teams she’s on! I was hoping to see more fresh faces instead of the same people on everything, and hoping for more diversity.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 14:37:34 GMT
SC and Ali E have announced their design teams. Tazhi is going to be a busy lady with all the teams she’s on! I was hoping to see more fresh faces instead of the same people on everything, and hoping for more diversity. Yep. Just a sign of laziness at SC (like usual). "Oh, we don't have time to go out and find new diverse scrappers, let's just use the one or two diverse scrappers the industry has already found..." Ali did a bit better this year.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Dec 22, 2020 15:41:48 GMT
So incredly unimpressed with most teams that have been revealed so far. I'm also incredibly tired of seeing the same faces everywhere.
Where are our male documenters? Our foreign documenters? Our LGBTQ+ documenters? Why is this industry so hell-bent on catering solely the WASP-y mama? Ugh. No, I'm really not impressed.
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Post by julie5 on Dec 22, 2020 16:27:03 GMT
SC and Ali E have announced their design teams. Tazhi is going to be a busy lady with all the teams she’s on! I was hoping to see more fresh faces instead of the same people on everything, and hoping for more diversity. Kind of like when tv and movies have the “token black person”. I’m not saying Tazhi isn’t talented-she is extremely talented. But it is so incredibly lazy to not pursue more diverse crafters.
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Post by cbscrapper on Dec 22, 2020 18:18:48 GMT
SC and Ali E have announced their design teams. Tazhi is going to be a busy lady with all the teams she’s on! I was hoping to see more fresh faces instead of the same people on everything, and hoping for more diversity. Kind of like when tv and movies have the “token black person”. I’m not saying Tazhi isn’t talented-she is extremely talented. But it is so incredibly lazy to not pursue more diverse crafters. I’m happy they are both getting recognition, but Tazhi and Victoria Marie shouldn’t have to carry the load for the entire industry.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Dec 22, 2020 21:54:41 GMT
I’d be happy with some variety in creativity. Adding POC, men, LGBTQ, etc., who scrap the EXACT SAME WAY AS THE WHITE LADIES isn’t giving me any new ideas.
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Post by joblackford on Dec 22, 2020 23:22:55 GMT
I’d be happy with some variety in creativity. Adding POC, men, LGBTQ, etc., who scrap the EXACT SAME WAY AS THE WHITE LADIES isn’t giving me any new ideas. I would love to see some people who are using products in really different ways too. I'm not sure what that looks like, I'm not following anyone I can think of who does it, but I've always found the conformity and sameness of the scrapbook industry very off-putting. Sometimes I feel like scrap products push people into conformity, limiting and shaping what they have to say. Or maybe it's the public sharing that does it. IDK.
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Post by Embri on Dec 23, 2020 1:39:30 GMT
I've always found the conformity and sameness of the scrapbook industry very off-putting. Sometimes I feel like scrap products push people into conformity, limiting and shaping what they have to say. Or maybe it's the public sharing that does it. IDK. I suspect it's both. The industry is looking for a specific, marketable look, because that's what's prevalent so they think that's all that sells, and because that's all that is shown, that's what everyone makes. Quite possibly the least creative 'creative' industry out there.
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Post by starlight on Dec 23, 2020 3:22:44 GMT
The Kindred stamps pic looks very white..
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Post by mich5481 on Dec 23, 2020 3:37:03 GMT
The Kindred stamps pic looks very white.. I believe Randy is Asian and the owner of the company identifies as a member of the LGBTQ + community.
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Post by peachiceteas on Dec 23, 2020 9:33:15 GMT
The Kindred stamps pic looks very white.. They have four members - one of which doesn't look like the others. They are outwardly presenting themselves as masculine in that particular photo but I don't know the person so I cannot comment on their gender/sexuality. There will be people out there who can identify with that person based on appearance alone who are under-represented in this community in general. I want diversity across the board - skin colour, genders, sexuality, different countries, different creative styles. Sure they could do better but they aren't doing bad at all. Call out the bigger brands who have the same people on repeat instead. There's a couple who's faces are plastered everywhere and I am sick of it.
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Post by Citygirl on Dec 23, 2020 13:15:49 GMT
I’d be happy with some variety in creativity. Adding POC, men, LGBTQ, etc., who scrap the EXACT SAME WAY AS THE WHITE LADIES isn’t giving me any new ideas. I would love to see some people who are using products in really different ways too. I'm not sure what that looks like, I'm not following anyone I can think of who does it, but I've always found the conformity and sameness of the scrapbook industry very off-putting. Sometimes I feel like scrap products push people into conformity, limiting and shaping what they have to say. Or maybe it's the public sharing that does it. IDK. I feel the same way. This is why the FB groups like OLW got to be very boring and uninspiring for me. Everyone using the same kits/products. Everyone trying to copy Ali’s pages. It was so much regurgitation. After awhile I felt it stifled my own creativity.
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Post by honeypea on Dec 23, 2020 16:08:02 GMT
I think the public sharing is a huge part of everything looking samesies. Especially considering the practice of everyone sharing and reposting one-another’s posts. I appreciate the idea of support and lifting up other crafters, but when I already follow Miss So-n-so and see her post in her feed, but then see it an additional 17 times in everyone else’s story it is major over saturation. I might have really liked a page the first time I saw it, but by the time it’s being pushed in my eyeballs for the dozenth + time I am over it.
I keep my scrapbooking follows on a separate account from my other Instagram accounts, and I’ve been peeking in there less and less. There are a couple people I seek out everyday, but they are actually just people I like (Victoria, Amy Tan) and not actually for creative inspiration.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Dec 23, 2020 18:06:20 GMT
When I came back to scrapbooking, it was through Smashbooks. Totally different memory keeping from the old Creative Memories days. Then Project Life exploded about the same time, and it was also a refreshing change from the standard scrapbook layout. I still love the loosy-goosy feel of Smashbooks and to some extent PL, but feel like I need a new infusion of creativity. I also agree that everyone using the same products the same way is a snoozefest. As well as seeing the same layouts across multiple mediums. I have really appreciated AE project play ideas, unfortunately when everyone is using the exact same papers/embellishments it gets stale fast.
Of course, all my bitching, I should use my own creativity to make new things. Maybe that’s part of the problem. We need to be more creators and less copiers.
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Post by scrappydo on Dec 23, 2020 21:33:47 GMT
SC and Ali E have announced their design teams. Tazhi is going to be a busy lady with all the teams she’s on! I was hoping to see more fresh faces instead of the same people on everything, and hoping for more diversity. Kind of like when tv and movies have the “token black person”. I’m not saying Tazhi isn’t talented-she is extremely talented. But it is so incredibly lazy to not pursue more diverse crafters. I kind of felt that Tahzi IS the token black person on both teams. I was seriously surprised by Ali's choices given the stand she took... I expected to see a couple of internationals, various skin tones, and a mix of ages.
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Post by mich5481 on Dec 23, 2020 23:07:37 GMT
Kind of like when tv and movies have the “token black person”. I’m not saying Tazhi isn’t talented-she is extremely talented. But it is so incredibly lazy to not pursue more diverse crafters. I kind of felt that Tahzi IS the token black person on both teams. I was seriously surprised by Ali's choices given the stand she took... I expected to see a couple of internationals, various skin tones, and a mix of ages. I thought Ingunn lives overseas?
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Post by andreasmom on Dec 24, 2020 0:42:21 GMT
I kind of felt that Tahzi IS the token black person on both teams. I was seriously surprised by Ali's choices given the stand she took... I expected to see a couple of internationals, various skin tones, and a mix of ages. I thought Ingunn lives overseas? She is from Norway, I believe, but currently lives in the US.
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Post by mich5481 on Dec 24, 2020 2:32:35 GMT
I thought Ingunn lives overseas? She is from Norway, I believe, but currently lives in the US. Ahh, thank you!
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