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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 2, 2020 15:56:59 GMT
I am by no means freaking out about it, but I find your friends flippant attitude to be concerning.
Do I thunk This virus is going to be the next Black Plague? No. But the thing is that we DON’T know much about it. Every day we are learning more, so we are better able to say that it probably won’t be as serious as it was thought. But, it makes sense to avoid the spread as much as possible.
I also don’t think it is “just another cold” for many people and the death rate appears to be higher than with the flu. Also, saying that only people with compromised immune systems are dying is wrong, and again, flippant.
Also don’t know that the media is blowing this up. We have the right to know what is going on, despite what the trump administration wants us to know. I actually don’t think it really is overblown. People are trying to avoid the spread of a new virus. What is wrong with that? I haven’t heard of people going to extremes in trying to prevent the spread, unless you count buying masks (which people in China do daily) or extra toilet paper. Clearly, there have been quarantined worldwide so the thought that we should be prepared for that here isn’t “blowing things up” in my opinion.
ETA that your Interpretation of what is happening in China does not seem accurate, either.
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 2, 2020 16:03:24 GMT
Yes, it’s a virus, like a cold or flu, but the death rate is, so far, much higher than the flu - and I know people who died of the flu. I am a numbers person..that being said can someone SHOW me a comparison of the two 'rates'?? I saw it last night... I didn't save it. Sorry. What I saw was that IF you have the corona virus, you are 20 more likely to die from it than if you have the flu, but there are still many, many more people who get the flu virus. However many more people die from the flu each year. My thought is since we have only been monitoring the corona virus for a short time (at this intensity), how do you compare a year's worth of deaths to about 6 weeks? Either way, I am not panicked (having seen a few of these viruses in the last decade or so), but I am interested in what the scientific world says about it and not our government leaders. I'd have been much happier if the head guy in charge of housing had been put in charge. At least he is a doctor. |
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Post by katlady on Mar 2, 2020 16:14:40 GMT
I am a numbers person..that being said can someone SHOW me a comparison of the two 'rates'?? NPR reporting is that the flu has a .6% fatality rate and covid-19 is around 2% but potentially higher as the information out of China may not be reliable. i read somewhere that the death rate may actually be lower if you take into account the fact that people probably had the virus but did not seek medical help because they had a mild case of it. I just wish people took the same precautions regarding the flu. Maybe we wouldn’t have millions of cases worldwide and there would be fewer flu deaths. |
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Post by ghislaine on Mar 2, 2020 16:15:29 GMT
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 2, 2020 16:18:05 GMT
Yep, kinda over it. Really over it when I went to Costco and every person wearing gloves pushing their carts. But that isn't really why.. I went in just to buy toilet paper, paper towels, Clorex wipes plus whatever else I needed. I bought these items because I was low or out of them.. But I felt like I was stocking for the 'quarantine'. But I really wasn't. I was checking out other carts but I couldn't really tell if people were stocking up or just shopping... I just wanted to get in and out before the rush (I was there at opening) My sister went to her Costco in Florida and also went at opening time.. There was a line to get in the store and she couldn't understand what was going on. All the snowbirds were wiping down their carts right in the doorway and no one could get in.. She was SUPER annoyed. And not just wiping down the handles.. it was the WHOLE cart.. and it was every single one of them going in. Same here. We went to Costco Friday night and forgot coffee, dh used our last pod this morning. Since we are halfway through our tp and paper towels dh was going to pick up some today while he’s there getting coffee, but it’s going to be a pita. Just because we forgot an item <sigh> And now are we going to have a new thread every time another case is reported  My stepdad is 79 and at home with pneumonia right now. I was over there Saturday visiting. He’s being smart and staying home and knows that he is more at risk than I am. I’m glad he’s using common sense. The media seems to sensationalize just about everything any more. They have hours of airtime to fill now. And that of course means some people are going to over react, some are going to ignore it and if we are lucky, the majority will fall somewhere in the middle. |
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Post by katlady on Mar 2, 2020 16:21:35 GMT
And as for the media, as I mentioned in another thread, the news in Hawaii said one night to have enough supplies on hand for 14 days and the next morning people were standing in super long lines at Costco!
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Post by busy on Mar 2, 2020 16:22:06 GMT
I think your friends haven't informed themselves very well on the specifics of this particular coronavirus.
It's not the end of the world, and some people are getting carried away, but it's not "just" another cold. SARS and MERS were coronaviruses too. Did your pals think those were no big deal too?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 2, 2020 16:28:21 GMT
Yep, kinda over it. Really over it when I went to Costco and every person wearing gloves pushing their carts. But that isn't really why.. I went in just to buy toilet paper, paper towels, Clorex wipes plus whatever else I needed. I bought these items because I was low or out of them.. But I felt like I was stocking for the 'quarantine'. But I really wasn't. I was checking out other carts but I couldn't really tell if people were stocking up or just shopping... I just wanted to get in and out before the rush (I was there at opening) My sister went to her Costco in Florida and also went at opening time.. There was a line to get in the store and she couldn't understand what was going on. All the snowbirds were wiping down their carts right in the doorway and no one could get in.. She was SUPER annoyed. And not just wiping down the handles.. it was the WHOLE cart.. and it was every single one of them going in. Same here. We went to Costco Friday night and forgot coffee, dh used our last pod this morning. Since we are halfway through our tp and paper towels dh was going to pick up some today while he’s there getting coffee, but it’s going to be a pita. Just because we forgot an item <sigh> And now are we going to have a new thread every time another case is reported My stepdad is 79 and at home with pneumonia right now. I was over there Saturday visiting. He’s being smart and staying home and knows that he is more at risk than I am. I’m glad he’s using common sense. The media seems to sensationalize just about everything any more. They have hours of airtime to fill now. And that of course means some people are going to over react, some are going to ignore it and if we are lucky, the majority will fall somewhere in the middle. I went to sams club Saturday and it was not busy at all. Hopefully you will have the same experience. |
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Post by busy on Mar 2, 2020 16:43:46 GMT
No kids have died from it nor have they found any kids with it. Those who have died had weakened immune systems. Such a compassionate take. I'll be sure to tell my immune-compromised stepfather it doesn't matter if he dies. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 2, 2020 16:45:14 GMT
Thank you iamkristinl16  Luckily dh works nights so he can go during the day, but he also doesn't have patience for lines and stuff. But it's his coffee so  It's just getting crazy here because we are within 20 miles of Kirkland (WA) so a lot of people are freaking out now  |
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 2, 2020 17:03:50 GMT
Well, we have had two deaths and a school closure so far in my area, so I for one think being prepared (eg, having a plan for work if your kid’s school closes) is smart.
I am going about my day to day life as normal, with more groceries and cleaning supplies than normal, and a pocket hand sanitizer for use in my car and office. But my 88-year-old dad lives in Kirkland, where the first US death occurred, and is having surgery today at a hospital with a patient who is in isolation for the virus, so I am not brushing this off like your friend. I care if my dad (and my mother who lives with him) catch this and die. They get flu shots religiously. We can’t do anything about this.
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Post by J u l e e on Mar 2, 2020 17:06:02 GMT
I am trying to find words for what bothers me. I think it's what's bothering me about everything these past few years. And believe me, I am "sick and tired" of a lot of things right now. And using the word privilege isn't going to make me any friends on this thought, but I feel like being sick and tired of what's going on comes from exactly that space.
People who are immune-compromised (or who have loved ones who are), people who can't afford a quarantine, people who can't afford to stock up on two months of cat food and toilet paper have a very real right to be worried.
I'm anxious about travel plans for June - a trip we've planned and saved for four years for my daughter's high school graduation. But even that doesn't compare to someone who has a loved one in a nursing home or an immune-compromised child in a large school district, etc.
Compassion for people overrides being sick and tired of the news.
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Post by monklady123 on Mar 2, 2020 17:06:55 GMT
Well, the media always blows stuff out of proportion...look what happens when five snowflakes are predicted (unless you live in Buffalo or Minnesota or somewhere where people are calm in the face of snow, lol) -- the media predict the end of the world then also and people rush to stock up on everything. Maybe 10 flakes fall and everyone looks sheepish. Now I'm not saying that a virus is equal to 10 snowflakes... But I do think it's being over-hyped and everyone is being pretty silly about how they're reacting. The same rules should apply to this one that we apply to flu or any other wintertime illness... wash hands, don't touch your face unless you've just washed your hands, wash hands, wash hands again, and most important -- which people WON'T do -- is to stay home if you're sick! omg...especially people who have sick days and can afford to stay home... STAY HOME. This is what people should be thinking about, just as they're prepare for a weather event... do you have enough food for the time when you'd have to stay home? No need to horde water as if the water treatment plant will shut down. This is not a zombie apocalypse. No need to horde batteries any more than you'd need for a normal emergency stash (because of course the power could go out for any number of reasons that are unrelated to the corona virus). etc. Also, the run on anti-bacterial hand sanitizer... the corona VIRUS is a virus...anti-bacterials won't do a bit of good. If the hand sanitizer has enough alcohol it can be good enough to clean your hands if you can't get to soap and water, but really it's just a stop-gap until you can wash your hands properly. And also...personally, if the virus arrives here in my part of Northern Virginia I will plan not to be in any close crowds, which includes hugging all the people who want to pass around hugs during the passing of the peace in church. I don't like it even in normal times, never mind during flu season.  The biggest thing that those of us who are healthy can do is try to stay healthy! which means...in case I haven't mentioned it yet... WASH HANDS. lol. And stay home if you're sick. In many ways it's our responsibility as basically healthy people to do our best not to pass it on to those who are immunocompromised or have other health issues. Those are the ones we should be worrying about. |
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Post by withapea on Mar 2, 2020 17:12:27 GMT
I don't think people should panic but I don't think we should brush it off either. There are going to be consequences, human loss as well as economic. I'm sure I'm sensitive but I'm fighting stage 4 lung cancer, I'd prefer not to be taken out by this ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . I'm a little concerned about the access to medications and I don't know about other people but I can't just get extra. I worry about people who can't stay home or pay for hospital visits. I'm really pissed about the fiasco with testing here which makes the situation more dire than it should be.
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Post by Laurie on Mar 2, 2020 17:16:51 GMT
I am actually surprised how the media has been handling it. I was expecting them to be far worse.
However, from a supply chain perspective this is a very real problem. I am in procurement and the parts that I regularly buy from China (usually through US distributors) have really long lead times. I am seeing between 14-20 weeks. Every week I am getting notifications of PO's being pushed out further. The flippant answer just buy from the US doesn't help as these are items that either the tooling is only in China or there are no US manufacturers that carry the material.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 2, 2020 17:19:04 GMT
FWIW, I think using the term "anti-bacterial hand sanitizer" is a little misleading and causing some harsh comments here. Hand sanitizers are said to kill bacteria AND viruses, and yes, health officials have said to use it in times that you can't wash your hands. I personally don't own any, but can see why people may be using it now. Stocking up and hoarding it? That is overboard.
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Post by likescarrots on Mar 2, 2020 17:23:51 GMT
Well, the media always blows stuff out of proportion...look what happens when five snowflakes are predicted (unless you live in Buffalo or Minnesota or somewhere where people are calm in the face of snow, lol) -- the media predict the end of the world then also and people rush to stock up on everything. Maybe 10 flakes fall and everyone looks sheepish. Now I'm not saying that a virus is equal to 10 snowflakes... But I do think it's being over-hyped and everyone is being pretty silly about how they're reacting. The same rules should apply to this one that we apply to flu or any other wintertime illness... wash hands, don't touch your face unless you've just washed your hands, wash hands, wash hands again, and most important -- which people WON'T do -- is to stay home if you're sick! omg...especially people who have sick days and can afford to stay home... STAY HOME. This is what people should be thinking about, just as they're prepare for a weather event... do you have enough food for the time when you'd have to stay home? No need to horde water as if the water treatment plant will shut down. This is not a zombie apocalypse. No need to horde batteries any more than you'd need for a normal emergency stash (because of course the power could go out for any number of reasons that are unrelated to the corona virus). etc. Also, the run on anti-bacterial hand sanitizer... the corona VIRUS is a virus...anti-bacterials won't do a bit of good. If the hand sanitizer has enough alcohol it can be good enough to clean your hands if you can't get to soap and water, but really it's just a stop-gap until you can wash your hands properly. And also...personally, if the virus arrives here in my part of Northern Virginia I will plan not to be in any close crowds, which includes hugging all the people who want to pass around hugs during the passing of the peace in church. I don't like it even in normal times, never mind during flu season. The biggest thing that those of us who are healthy can do is try to stay healthy! which means...in case I haven't mentioned it yet... WASH HANDS. lol. And stay home if you're sick. In many ways it's our responsibility as basically healthy people to do our best not to pass it on to those who are immunocompromised or have other health issues. Those are the ones we should be worrying about. I'm sorry but you are spreading misinformation. Alcohol (main ingredient in most hand gel) is proven to kill virus es including coronaviruses. It is most effective when left wet for at least 10 minutes but still effective for use in hands when hand washing is unavailable. I prefer have washing when possible but I work in a public building and am thankful that hand sanitizer is well stocked throughout. I would rather people be buying/using it than not doing anything. |
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Post by maryland on Mar 2, 2020 17:26:41 GMT
Yep, kinda over it. Really over it when I went to Costco and every person wearing gloves pushing their carts. But that isn't really why.. I went in just to buy toilet paper, paper towels, Clorex wipes plus whatever else I needed. I bought these items because I was low or out of them.. But I felt like I was stocking for the 'quarantine'. But I really wasn't. I was checking out other carts but I couldn't really tell if people were stocking up or just shopping... I just wanted to get in and out before the rush (I was there at opening) My sister went to her Costco in Florida and also went at opening time.. There was a line to get in the store and she couldn't understand what was going on. All the snowbirds were wiping down their carts right in the doorway and no one could get in.. She was SUPER annoyed. And not just wiping down the handles.. it was the WHOLE cart.. and it was every single one of them going in. I did go and buy extra toilet paper and paper towels. I hear about them selling out in stores, and I want to make sure we don't run out. Our costco had a mountain of both! I was also looking for hand sanitizer as I like to keep them in the car. I always have stocked up on hand sanitizer and wipes for the car. And because it was in the 50s yesterday, I cleaned my car and saw we were out. But no store in our area has any hand sanitizer in stock. But our stores are well stocked for everything else! |
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Post by femalebusiness on Mar 2, 2020 17:28:09 GMT
I remember back in the '70s Johnny Carson made a joke about a coming toilet paper shortage and it snowballed. His show was watched by millions and they all ran out and emptied the shelves of TP. There was a real shortage for about a week all because of a joke. There are a whole lot of people who always overreact.
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Post by elaine on Mar 2, 2020 17:28:42 GMT
FWIW, I think using the term "anti-bacterial hand sanitizer" is a little misleading and causing some harsh comments here. Hand sanitizers are said to kill bacteria AND viruses, and yes, health officials have said to use it in times that you can't wash your hands. I personally don't own any, but can see why people may be using it now. Stocking up and hoarding it? That is overboard. Thank you. I have been having this same thought each time I read the comments that “antibacterial” hand sanitizer won’t work on viruses. Yes, yes it does. Read the label. The majority of antibacterial products are also effective against viruses. Norovirus and C-diff ( bacteria) are exceptions that need bleach based cleaners and hand washing to prevent the spread. The market opted for using simply “antibacterial” rather than “antibacterial and anti-viral” because it is easier to design labels with one term. There is a balance between flippant and flipping out that seems a responsible approach to the pandemic to me. |
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Post by MichyM on Mar 2, 2020 17:36:43 GMT
This may be harsh but for those of you “sick and tired” of coronavirus, how about you just stop engaging in discussion/reading/listening to it? I feel like there are quite a few people on this board who feel superior to those of us who are having (what I deem to be) a healthy response to a new and unknown health concern.
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Post by *KAS* on Mar 2, 2020 17:38:58 GMT
Yep, kinda over it. Really over it when I went to Costco and every person wearing gloves pushing their carts. But that isn't really why.. I went in just to buy toilet paper, paper towels, Clorex wipes plus whatever else I needed. I bought these items because I was low or out of them.. But I felt like I was stocking for the 'quarantine'. But I really wasn't. I was checking out other carts but I couldn't really tell if people were stocking up or just shopping... I just wanted to get in and out before the rush (I was there at opening) My sister went to her Costco in Florida and also went at opening time.. There was a line to get in the store and she couldn't understand what was going on. All the snowbirds were wiping down their carts right in the doorway and no one could get in.. She was SUPER annoyed. And not just wiping down the handles.. it was the WHOLE cart.. and it was every single one of them going in. The lady behind me at Publix this morning was buying at least 200 rolls of toilet paper. So annoying. I wanted ONE small bottle of hand sanitizer for personal use - any size - and there wasn't one bottle in the store. People over-reacting is what I'm 'over.' take reasonable precautions. Don't be a dick and horde supplies so the rest of us can't buy a 12-pack of toilet paper that we actually need for our house with or without the corona virus. |
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Post by maryland on Mar 2, 2020 17:40:19 GMT
NPR reporting is that the flu has a .6% fatality rate and covid-19 is around 2% but potentially higher as the information out of China may not be reliable. i read somewhere that the death rate may actually be lower if you take into account the fact that people probably had the virus but did not seek medical help because they had a mild case of it. I just wish people took the same precautions regarding the flu. Maybe we wouldn’t have millions of cases worldwide and there would be fewer flu deaths. I heard something like that on npr. |
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 2, 2020 18:45:39 GMT
This hasn't affected my DH who is a trucker.. He drives all kinds of stuff (furniture, food, misc items, which I am sure most of it is from China), if nothing, they would work him 24/7 if legal. He (knock on wood) hasn't been stuck in over six months. My husband is a trucker and he hauls shipping containers, mostly which come from China. Things have already slowed just a bit...hoping it does not affect his business TOO much! Yeah no kidding.. cause when they are not driving there is no money.. let's keep our fingers crossed!! |
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 2, 2020 19:14:45 GMT
I hate the fear mongering. Most of the media is doing nothing but fanning the flames. The "gag" order by the Trump administration doesn't help. I think when you hear gag order you immediately go to "what aren't they telling us?". I am no fan of this administration but maybe they want to get their ducks in a row before making announcements, doubt it but it did cross my mind. I know they're worried about the markets but, hello, they've been in a free fall since last week. I agree that there are many more infected people walking in the US than what we know about, statistically there have to be. Even with that in the back of my mind, I was out running errands all day Saturday with hordes of others. DH underwent chemo for 7 years, I know about compromised immune systems. I have a small ziplok bag of clorox wipes for cart handles (if the store doesn't have some, a lot do now),I used my sleeve to open any doors and immediately washed my hands when I got home. That's it and that's what I've done for 7+ years. DH passed but it's such a habit now that I still do it. I'm going to a show at the House of Blues on Saturday night in Boston, has never crossed my mind not to go. My sister is a retired paramedic with the City of Boston, I asked her what she's hearing (she still talks to all her old co-workers). She said that the general consensus is that the flu is more prevalent and a bigger worry, in their opinion, as it's impacting those with compromised immune systems and children and they're still seeing a lot of flu. My company issues an update daily (curious to see today's update as there have been cases in RI (I work in RI). I'm lucky that if it came to it, I could work from home indefinitely if needed. My biggest concern is we have one bucket of time off (PTO) for vacation and sick and SO many people come into the office sick because they don't want to "waste" a PTO day being sick. Really? So you'll take down the office because you don't want to "waste" a day? Go home and work from home. I've told my staff (even before this) do NOT even think about coming into the office if you're sick, I will send you home. Work from home. I’m not sure the gag order is because they want to get their ducks in a row. I think it’s because they fired their ducks, and they have only quacks to replace them. 😏 |
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Post by MichyM on Mar 2, 2020 19:15:22 GMT
11am local news update. King County (where we’ve had 2 deaths thus far) has purchased a motel which they will be using to isolate patients. They also are purchasing modular housing units from Texas (usually used to house oil workers) to be brought here and used for patients. If you’re sick and tired of it.... <——— and that is not an action or reaction I typically use on this board. I try to be respectful of everyone’s opinions. For some of us, this is a real thing, not some abstract out there thousands of miles away. Never mind, we’re now at 5 deaths in King County. Heartbreaking. ETA: further into the briefing. It’s now at 6 patients who have died over the weekend. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 2, 2020 19:20:22 GMT
11am local news update. King County (where we’ve had 2 deaths thus far) has purchased a motel which they will be using to isolate patients. They also are purchasing modular housing units from Texas (usually used to house oil workers) to be brought here and used for patients. If you’re sick and tired of it.... <——— and that is not an action or reaction I typically use on this board. I try to be respectful of everyone’s opinions. For some of us, this is a real thing, not some abstract out there thousands of miles away. Never mind, we’re now at 5 deaths in King County. Heartbreaking. I'm so sorry - with the outbreak being tied to an assisted living community, I fear that it's going to get worse before better. So very sorry for all your community is going through! |
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 2, 2020 19:22:17 GMT
I am by no means freaking out about it, but I find your friends flippant attitude to be concerning. Do I thunk This virus is going to be the next Black Plague? No. But the thing is that we DON’T know much about it. Every day we are learning more, so we are better able to say that it probably won’t be as serious as it was thought. But, it makes sense to avoid the spread as much as possible. I also don’t think it is “just another cold” for many people and the death rate appears to be higher than with the flu. Also, saying that only people with compromised immune systems are dying is wrong, and again, flippant. Also don’t know that the media is blowing this up. We have the right to know what is going on, despite what the trump administration wants us to know. I actually don’t think it really is overblown. People are trying to avoid the spread of a new virus. What is wrong with that? I haven’t heard of people going to extremes in trying to prevent the spread, unless you count buying masks (which people in China do daily) or extra toilet paper. Clearly, there have been quarantined worldwide so the thought that we should be prepared for that here isn’t “blowing things up” in my opinion. ETA that your Interpretation of what is happening in China does not seem accurate, either. And if it is *only* compromised immune system people, there are a hell of a lot of those in this country. My husband is one of them. Given that, I feel I’m being realistic in what I’m doing to be prepared. I’d feel stupid it worse did come to worse, and I wasn’t because I let people talk me out of my instinctual logical response to this. Better to be over prepared than not prepared at all. I’m not stockpiling at all, just doing things ‘in case of’. |
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 2, 2020 19:24:36 GMT
11am local news update. King County (where we’ve had 2 deaths thus far) has purchased a motel which they will be using to isolate patients. They also are purchasing modular housing units from Texas (usually used to house oil workers) to be brought here and used for patients. If you’re sick and tired of it.... <——— and that is not an action or reaction I typically use on this board. I try to be respectful of everyone’s opinions. For some of us, this is a real thing, not some abstract out there thousands of miles away. Never mind, we’re now at 5 deaths in King County. Heartbreaking. State public health officials have also advised people over 60 or with chronic conditions to limit crowd exposure. |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Mar 2, 2020 19:30:12 GMT
This may be harsh but for those of you “sick and tired” of coronavirus, how about you just stop engaging in discussion/reading/listening to it? I feel like there are quite a few people on this board who feel superior to those of us who are having (what I deem to be) a healthy response to a new and unknown health concern. We have cut back the news we watch and I’m watching and catching up on recorded shows. The Seattle area news shows run for hours on each channel. Whether it’s the weather, the traffic, a virus, etc, the newest topic dominates their programming. Just because people don’t want people panicking, wiping out the stock at the stores or having it dominate the news (causing more panic), does not mean they don’t care, aren’t worried and aren’t compassionate We’ve discussed it twice yesterday in my house, once between me and my dd and once was me and dh. It was discussed Sunday at my parents house with me, my little brother and my dad. Both days we were able to discuss the virus without it being the only thing we discussed and without us panicking or running to the store to stock up. |
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It's just getting crazy here because we are within 20 miles of Kirkland (WA) so a lot of people are freaking out now 
