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Post by peppermintpatty on Mar 2, 2020 12:47:01 GMT
A friend of mine is a Microbiologist who works at Walter Reed in the Infectious Diseases department. Her department tracks infectious diseases around the world. She works with things like Anthrax, Ebola, etc. so I totally believe what she says. I asked her yesterday what her take is on this.
She said that she is so tired of the media blowing this all out of proportion. Everyone in her department says the EXACT same thing, It's a virus. It's a cold or flu like symptoms. The only new thing is that we haven't seen it before and just like every strain of flu that comes out each year, it's new. There isn't anything different other than the media is predicting a doomsday event. No kids have died from it nor have they found any kids with it. Those who have died had weakened immune systems. Healthy individuals should be fine.
I asked her about them calling it a pandemic. She said it absolutely is NOT a pandemic. The reason that China and some other countries are going into lockdown is that if Northern India gets it, then there will be a problem because they lack any type of adequate healthcare or measures to control it.
People die from the flu every year, this is absolutely no different.
She said the best thing to do is get your flu shot and wash your hands! We do not need to make a run on the grocery stores!
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Post by alexa11 on Mar 2, 2020 13:05:35 GMT
I'm an Instacart shopper and Reddit's sub is blowing up about this. There are so many posts from shoppers about people hoarding water- ordering ton of cases from Costco. The wait to checkout is anywhere from 45 minutes to an hour. Of course, they're running out of water... No panicking here in SC, so far. Just wash your hands people.
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Post by pyccku on Mar 2, 2020 13:10:29 GMT
It's not the end of the world. But it also isn't just another cold. The death rate is higher, and it can take up to 14 days for symptoms to show - meaning it can easily be spread to others before you even know that you're contagious.
We don't know exactly how bad the death rate is because the Chinese government hasn't been exactly forthcoming.
It's not bad to take precautions and be prepared - have non-perishables and medication on hand, just in case. Wash your hands, stay away from coughing and sneezing people as much as possible.
Don't panic - but also be aware that saying "most people will recover just fine, it's just a cold" isn't all that helpful to the millions of Americans who fall into the populations at greater risk. We have a lot of people in their 70's and 80's that are at risk. We have a lot of immunocompromised people. We have a lot of people with respiratory issues. We have a lot of people with diabetes, heart disease and hypertension. All of these things lead to greater risk of complications and death. But no biggie, right? Most people won't have more than a fever and a cough - except for those unlucky to fall into a risk factor.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Mar 2, 2020 13:25:46 GMT
It's not the end of the world. But it also isn't just another cold. The death rate is higher, and it can take up to 14 days for symptoms to show - meaning it can easily be spread to others before you even know that you're contagious. We don't know exactly how bad the death rate is because the Chinese government hasn't been exactly forthcoming. It's not bad to take precautions and be prepared - have non-perishables and medication on hand, just in case. Wash your hands, stay away from coughing and sneezing people as much as possible. Don't panic - but also be aware that saying "most people will recover just fine, it's just a cold" isn't all that helpful to the millions of Americans who fall into the populations at greater risk. We have a lot of people in their 70's and 80's that are at risk. We have a lot of immunocompromised people. We have a lot of people with respiratory issues. We have a lot of people with diabetes, heart disease and hypertension. All of these things lead to greater risk of complications and death. But no biggie, right? Most people won't have more than a fever and a cough - except for those unlucky to fall into a risk factor. I agree with everything you have said BUT the media is not helping by taking their "end of the world" stance but then at the end of it saying, just take precautions. It goes without saying that either a normal cold or the flu, you stay away from people so as not to spread it. All the other coronaviruses (remember the common cold is one) all transmit the same way. This just happens to be a more virulent strain of it. The reason those in China are dying is because they don't have access to basic healthcare or choose not to seek help. Chinese citizens say they go the hospital to die, not to get better. They rely on eastern medicine which will not help in most cases. They live in less than sanitary conditions in many cases so the illness spreads like wildfire. Norovirus spreads the same way around here. Cruise ships, dorms, etc. are all susceptible. Lots of people in close proximity.
All I am saying is that hoarding bottled water and talking about your bomb shelter is over the top. The water supply will not be affected! Shit, they put so many chemicals in the water, nothing can live in it. Hoarding hand sanitizer is a bit much. Wash your damn hands. If you don't have access to a sink at that moment, don't touch your face! It's all common sense.
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Post by pancakes on Mar 2, 2020 13:28:02 GMT
Although I generally agree that people are blowing things out of proportion, there is some misinformation from your friend.
For example, there are kids who have it. The number of kids who do is extremely low and there haven’t been reported deaths, but to say no kids have gotten it is untrue.
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Post by elaine on Mar 2, 2020 13:34:10 GMT
Another way that it is different from the flu is that there is no vaccine for it, so those at risk have NO preventive measures to take, other than washing one’s hands.
That no children have died - as of yet - does absolutely nothing to quell my fears about my 85 year old mother with heart issues and who lives in a retirement complex. That your and your friend’s estimation that COVID-19 isn’t serious because children haven’t died of it yet is somewhat offensive. Tell that to all the family members of the 3,069 people who have died so far in just the 5 weeks since the virus was “discovered.”
eta: since I posted this a few hours ago, death count is up to 3,083; in the hour since this update, death count is 3,087.
eta: death count now up to 3,119 at 8 pm EST; 6 in Washington.
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Post by tracyarts on Mar 2, 2020 13:37:10 GMT
I have a few dear but "problematic" people in my life and I've had to start limiting conversation with them already because of how they're acting right now over the virus.
A couple are just prone to health and medical anxiety, and I don't have the mental energy to deflect it and reassure them multiple times a day right now.
One is a conspiracy theory believer and while a lot of the time it's amusing. this time it isn't and I'm not dealing with it.
I'm avoiding most social media discussions about the virus though, I peeked in on a few forums and discussion threads and holy hell... the people who get off on wallowing in this kind of thing are having a fest with it right now.
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Post by pancakes on Mar 2, 2020 13:39:06 GMT
The reason those in China are dying is because they don't have access to basic healthcare or choose not to seek help. Chinese citizens say they go the hospital to die, not to get better. They rely on eastern medicine which will not help in most cases. They live in less than sanitary conditions in many cases so the illness spreads like wildfire. Making blanket statements like this is incorrect and contributing to the spread of misinformation. They rely on Eastern medicine? I’m sure some people do, but the vast majority fully subscribes to “Western” medicine. Population density contributes to the spread of disease. To say their cities are significantly less sanitary than any of our urban centers isn’t fair. They have their issues, but we do, too. If you read any articles from reputable publications, it’s clear that there are a lot people who ARE choosing to seek help but are running into issues when the hospitals are prioritizing sick patients, pulling doctors in other specialties away to tackle the virus, or designating certain hospitals to be for patients with the virus. Their government is a problem, and I will be the first person to say that I am against it, but a lot of what you’ve said here is simply not the case at all.
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Post by peabay on Mar 2, 2020 13:48:16 GMT
I'm not worried about myself or my kids, but I'm very worried about my relatives (and anyone) in assisted living and nursing homes. I fear this is going to be much worse in that regard. This virus attacks older people and I hope everyone who is pooh-poohing it is right.
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Post by pilcas on Mar 2, 2020 13:57:59 GMT
I am 58 and I am healthy but have asthma. My doctor has always advised me to get the flu shot to avoid problems and I do. I can see myself as being one to have complications from this virus and I am not prone to be an alarmist. Your friend seems to view this from a very professional point of view rather than a humane one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 14:00:07 GMT
The overreactions are a bit much. At the same time, attitudes like this is also not good.
The response should be in the middle. Limit contact, wash your hands, be prepared to stay home for an extended period of time, and don't freak the fuck out.
I hate the "it's nothing" attitudes as much as I hate the "the world's ending" attitudes. There is so much wrong information out there, that I'm focusing on what is common among them all - fucking wash your hands and stay away from people if you're sick.
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Post by Merge on Mar 2, 2020 14:14:58 GMT
The business concerns about supply chain issues are not necessarily overblown. My brother runs a logistics company and they've already got truckers who are stuck because there are no loads to haul. If things aren't coming in from China, that negatively affects our economy.
Are we all going to die? Nope. Are some businesses going to suffer - particularly those who have already been negatively affected by the trade war with China? Yes. Might it be necessary to implement some quarantine measures in the US? Yes. Does that affect our economy? Yes. All worth our concern, but hoarding cases of water doesn't help at all.
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Post by moodyblue on Mar 2, 2020 14:22:01 GMT
I don’t think I’m overreacting. My biggest health issue is arthritis. BUT, there are lots of people in my life who have major health challenges: a brother on dialysis, a niece who has Cystic Fibrosis, my mother who turns 91 today and lives in an assisted living facility, etc. It's no reassurance to be told that it doesn’t seem to strike hard at the very young, and those who have died mostly have other health conditions. Well, yeah, MANY people have other health problems.
Yes, it’s a virus, like a cold or flu, but the death rate is, so far, much higher than the flu - and I know people who died of the flu.
I’m not packing my house with food and medical supplies, but I have bought some things to have in case I can’t get out easily or people are encouraged to stay home. Since my husband died, I live alone and I want basic supplies readily available if I get sick. I had a recent issue with my freezer and had to pitch everything in it, so I’m restocking slowly there.
I’m not panicking, and I’m certainly not hysterical. I’m also informed enough to know that I will continue to take the precautions I do for flu and cold prevention, but I’m realistic enough to remember that I work in a school where germs abound most of the time.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Mar 2, 2020 14:30:57 GMT
I hate the fear mongering. Most of the media is doing nothing but fanning the flames. The "gag" order by the Trump administration doesn't help. I think when you hear gag order you immediately go to "what aren't they telling us?". I am no fan of this administration but maybe they want to get their ducks in a row before making announcements, doubt it but it did cross my mind. I know they're worried about the markets but, hello, they've been in a free fall since last week. I agree that there are many more infected people walking in the US than what we know about, statistically there have to be. Even with that in the back of my mind, I was out running errands all day Saturday with hordes of others. DH underwent chemo for 7 years, I know about compromised immune systems. I have a small ziplok bag of clorox wipes for cart handles (if the store doesn't have some, a lot do now),I used my sleeve to open any doors and immediately washed my hands when I got home. That's it and that's what I've done for 7+ years. DH passed but it's such a habit now that I still do it. I'm going to a show at the House of Blues on Saturday night in Boston, has never crossed my mind not to go.
My sister is a retired paramedic with the City of Boston, I asked her what she's hearing (she still talks to all her old co-workers). She said that the general consensus is that the flu is more prevalent and a bigger worry, in their opinion, as it's impacting those with compromised immune systems and children and they're still seeing a lot of flu.
My company issues an update daily (curious to see today's update as there have been cases in RI (I work in RI). I'm lucky that if it came to it, I could work from home indefinitely if needed. My biggest concern is we have one bucket of time off (PTO) for vacation and sick and SO many people come into the office sick because they don't want to "waste" a PTO day being sick. Really? So you'll take down the office because you don't want to "waste" a day? Go home and work from home. I've told my staff (even before this) do NOT even think about coming into the office if you're sick, I will send you home. Work from home.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Mar 2, 2020 14:42:07 GMT
I agree and disagree. I agree that is it getting blowing out of proportion. That it is a form of a cold. BUT it is a pandemic in scope. Where have we ever seen a virus strike so many countries at one time and in those numbers? Children have died in other countries. Just not in the USA yet, but the outbreak here is just starting. It' all about using universal precautions.
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Post by pyccku on Mar 2, 2020 14:43:04 GMT
I am 58 and I am healthy but have asthma. My doctor has always advised me to get the flu shot to avoid problems and I do. I can see myself as being one to have complications from this virus and I am not prone to be an alarmist. Your friend seems to view this from a very professional point of view rather than a humane one. I'm in my late 40's and otherwise healthy but I've had pneumonia twice in the past 2 years. I was hospitalized the first time, the second time was much milder. I also have two people that I personally know who have died of pneumonia in the past 8 months - one had just turned 40 and was really into fitness and health, the other was 44. Neither was in a high risk group. So I fully put myself in the group of people who may have complications - I barely seem to get a cold these days and it turns into pneumonia. The pulmonologist I saw in the hospital couldn't find any good reason for me to have recurring pneumonia - the strain I had took 2 rounds of antibiotics and still didn't go away, so they used stronger IV meds.
The problem is going to be that once large numbers start getting sick, the ones who need medical treatment will be overwhelming. We aren't really equipped or prepared to take care of large numbers of people needing ventilators. And even if we manufacture a bunch of ventilators quickly, do we have the medical personnel to take care of a large number of patients on vents?
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 2, 2020 14:47:45 GMT
Yep, kinda over it. Really over it when I went to Costco and every person wearing gloves pushing their carts. But that isn't really why.. I went in just to buy toilet paper, paper towels, Clorex wipes plus whatever else I needed. I bought these items because I was low or out of them.. But I felt like I was stocking for the 'quarantine'. But I really wasn't.
I was checking out other carts but I couldn't really tell if people were stocking up or just shopping... I just wanted to get in and out before the rush (I was there at opening)
My sister went to her Costco in Florida and also went at opening time.. There was a line to get in the store and she couldn't understand what was going on. All the snowbirds were wiping down their carts right in the doorway and no one could get in.. She was SUPER annoyed. And not just wiping down the handles.. it was the WHOLE cart.. and it was every single one of them going in.
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Post by auntkelly on Mar 2, 2020 15:06:10 GMT
I'm not panicked. I'm going about my business as usual except I am washing my hands more. I bought some extra toilet paper and dog food, mainly because I am afraid there is going to be an artificial shortage of these products before too long if everyone keeps stocking up.
I am concerned about the stock market and the global economy. The stock market was down 3500 points last week. That is going to affect almost everyone, either directly or indirectly.
I'm pretty healthy and I feel like I could survive the virus, but who knows? A lot of people I love are at high risk either due to age or their overall health. I sometimes worry about the fact that my kids both live far away from me. They are young and healthy, but I would be worried sick if they came down with the virus and I couldn't be with them due to travel restrictions which might be imposed if there was an outbreak.
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Post by workingclassdog on Mar 2, 2020 15:07:49 GMT
The business concerns about supply chain issues are not necessarily overblown. My brother runs a logistics company and they've already got truckers who are stuck because there are no loads to haul. If things aren't coming in from China, that negatively affects our economy. This hasn't affected my DH who is a trucker.. He drives all kinds of stuff (furniture, food, misc items, which I am sure most of it is from China), if nothing, they would work him 24/7 if legal. He (knock on wood) hasn't been stuck in over six months.
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Post by Katie on Mar 2, 2020 15:14:23 GMT
The business concerns about supply chain issues are not necessarily overblown. My brother runs a logistics company and they've already got truckers who are stuck because there are no loads to haul. If things aren't coming in from China, that negatively affects our economy. This hasn't affected my DH who is a trucker.. He drives all kinds of stuff (furniture, food, misc items, which I am sure most of it is from China), if nothing, they would work him 24/7 if legal. He (knock on wood) hasn't been stuck in over six months. My husband is a trucker and he hauls shipping containers, mostly which come from China. Things have already slowed just a bit...hoping it does not affect his business TOO much!
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 2, 2020 15:30:25 GMT
I don't think the media is making it end of world... I think the public is. I know it is being compared to the flu and people are trying to play it down, but most people I know are pretty fact based and the fact that we are just starting to understand it at all makes everyone much more interested in what is happening. Now add that to president making really stupid claims and it causes me to search for the facts even more. Then add VP as the head guy in charge and well, it is a recipe for people feeling uncertain. We had snowstorm #10 last night. We are used to people panicking and buying up the milk, eggs, and toilet paper.
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Post by compeateropeator on Mar 2, 2020 15:31:27 GMT
I think that those that are saying everything is being blown out of proportion are as dangerous as those preaching it as “the end of the world Coronavirus “. As with most things, a healthy balance is needed.
There are differences from other viruses and things are evolving hourly as far as what the experts are learning...so no one really knows everything about it and pretending to do so can be very dangerous. You can be aware and still be reasonable with the precautions that you take.
There will always be a certain amount of overreaction, but I am generally a proponent of free flowing information and news. I would rather know more than less and and make my own decisions.
People say the same thing with reporting on storms and snow...and it may be the case that they are overreacting and wrong...until they are not. And then I think people are quite glad that they made decisions to try and prepare a bit. Perspective and balance are critical but IMO I don’t think less reporting and information is necessarily the best course of action.
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Post by mrsscrapdiva on Mar 2, 2020 15:35:06 GMT
Over it!
Yes the media is over the top and the internet is running wild with it.
Thank you for posting about your friend and her educated information.
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Post by christine58 on Mar 2, 2020 15:44:33 GMT
Yes, it’s a virus, like a cold or flu, but the death rate is, so far, much higher than the flu - and I know people who died of the flu. I am a numbers person..that being said can someone SHOW me a comparison of the two 'rates'??
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Post by likescarrots on Mar 2, 2020 15:44:49 GMT
'those who have died had weakened immune systems' -interesting that your friend is confident of that since there is basically no data coming from China to either support or deny it. Yes, obviously people with weakened immune systems are more susceptible to any virus, but the number of young health workers dying in China is alarming. Many of them were considered to be healthy. I've been following this since early January, often through Chinese news sources, blogs, etc, and it is not pretty, even for young, healthy people.
I think your friend sounds like a dangerous idiot and frankly I'm more concerned that she's a professional in this field than I am about people stocking up on rice and toilet paper.
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 2, 2020 15:46:03 GMT
It's not the end of the world. But it also isn't just another cold. The death rate is higher, and it can take up to 14 days for symptoms to show - meaning it can easily be spread to others before you even know that you're contagious. We don't know exactly how bad the death rate is because the Chinese government hasn't been exactly forthcoming. It's not bad to take precautions and be prepared - have non-perishables and medication on hand, just in case. Wash your hands, stay away from coughing and sneezing people as much as possible. Don't panic - but also be aware that saying "most people will recover just fine, it's just a cold" isn't all that helpful to the millions of Americans who fall into the populations at greater risk. We have a lot of people in their 70's and 80's that are at risk. We have a lot of immunocompromised people. We have a lot of people with respiratory issues. We have a lot of people with diabetes, heart disease and hypertension. All of these things lead to greater risk of complications and death. But no biggie, right? Most people won't have more than a fever and a cough - except for those unlucky to fall into a risk factor. I agree with everything you have said BUT the media is not helping by taking their "end of the world" stance but then at the end of it saying, just take precautions. It goes without saying that either a normal cold or the flu, you stay away from people so as not to spread it. All the other coronaviruses (remember the common cold is one) all transmit the same way. This just happens to be a more virulent strain of it. The reason those in China are dying is because they don't have access to basic healthcare or choose not to seek help. Chinese citizens say they go the hospital to die, not to get better. They rely on eastern medicine which will not help in most cases. They live in less than sanitary conditions in many cases so the illness spreads like wildfire. Norovirus spreads the same way around here. Cruise ships, dorms, etc. are all susceptible. Lots of people in close proximity.
All I am saying is that hoarding bottled water and talking about your bomb shelter is over the top. The water supply will not be affected! Shit, they put so many chemicals in the water, nothing can live in it. Hoarding hand sanitizer is a bit much. Wash your damn hands. If you don't have access to a sink at that moment, don't touch your face! It's all common sense.
All of this. Both of these quotes here. The media is not helping this situation at all.
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Post by lisae on Mar 2, 2020 15:47:25 GMT
She said the best thing to do is get your flu shot and wash your hands! Completely agree about washing your hands and hopefully all of this will get people to do a better job of not touching their face in public, washing their hands and wearing masks if they are sick so they don't spread colds and flu. What I don't understand is how a flu shot helps in this instance?
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Post by sabrinae on Mar 2, 2020 15:49:15 GMT
Yes, it’s a virus, like a cold or flu, but the death rate is, so far, much higher than the flu - and I know people who died of the flu. I am a numbers person..that being said can someone SHOW me a comparison of the two 'rates'?? NPR reporting is that the flu has a .6% fatality rate and covid-19 is around 2% but potentially higher as the information out of China may not be reliable.
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Post by christine58 on Mar 2, 2020 15:51:57 GMT
I am a numbers person..that being said can someone SHOW me a comparison of the two 'rates'?? NPR reporting is that the flu has a .6% fatality rate and covid-19 is around 2% but potentially higher as the information out of China may not be reliable. Thanks
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Post by gar on Mar 2, 2020 15:56:41 GMT
The reason those in China are dying is because they don't have access to basic healthcare or choose not to seek help. Chinese citizens say they go the hospital to die, not to get better. They rely on eastern medicine which will not help in most cases. They live in less than sanitary conditions in many cases so the illness spreads like wildfire. Making blanket statements like this is incorrect and contributing to the spread of misinformation. They rely on Eastern medicine? I’m sure some people do, but the vast majority fully subscribes to “Western” medicine. Population density contributes to the spread of disease. To say their cities are significantly less sanitary than any of our urban centers isn’t fair. They have their issues, but we do, too. If you read any articles from reputable publications, it’s clear that there are a lot people who ARE choosing to seek help but are running into issues when the hospitals are prioritizing sick patients, pulling doctors in other specialties away to tackle the virus, or designating certain hospitals to be for patients with the virus. Their government is a problem, and I will be the first person to say that I am against it, but a lot of what you’ve said here is simply not the case at all. Agreed. Your friend sounds a little ill-informed to be honest, certainly about how other countries operate!
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