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Post by MichyM on Mar 4, 2020 19:48:42 GMT
I’m another one in Seattle and work at a law school. We had a two-hour meeting yesterday about what to do at this point. Basically we’re eliminating attendance requirements, but the university is still open. It is kind of the worst of both worlds right now, in that the university is open so students and professors are expected to show up, but I may end up teaching essentially a second course for each class online :/. We’re also being told to get our ducks in a row to go online. Our cleaning crews have had their service switched from daily bathroom/weekly building to daily building/bathrooms multiple times a day. There are wipes stations all over the place on the office floors where admins normally kept candy bowls. I am not on the front lines of dealing with student complaints, but there are a lot of students who want us to close. It is such a hard needle to thread—on the one hand, our public health authorities have not suggested closing schools. On the other hand, the information is spotty—it is so hard to get tested that it is unclear what the extent of the problem is here, or how many people have died from this, since people aren’t being tested for it. My walkable grocery (the QFC down the hill!) no longer even has a hand sanitizer section. It existed but was empty yesterday; when I check it this morning, they had replaced that section with something else, so...I am guessing they are not expecting more in any time soon. I've been helping to care for a friend who lives alone and broke her right (dominant) arm 5 weeks ago. Yesterday I took he out to run errands. We hit the Safeway and Bartells on 42nd in West Seattle. TP, paper towels, almost all cleaning products, isopropyl alcohol, etc completely wiped out. COMPLETELY. Earlier in the morning I had visited the top of QA Bartell's to pick up a prescription of mine and the same scenario there. I also just placed an Instacart grocery order from Met Mkt, and the next available delivery is 5-6pm tomorrow. Crazy. At least I have plenty of time to add to the order in case I forgot something 
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Post by MichyM on Mar 4, 2020 19:50:34 GMT
Thanks Scrapper100 . I've been trying to just post facts and not get swept up into the crazy. I'm glad you find it helpful. The title - and some of the thoughts expressed in this thread STILL make me really mad. I wish the OP would come back to the thread. I'm curious if her thoughts have chaged now that we're a couple more days into this. Is the Amazon building where a case was reported yesterday one of their cooperate offices? I don’t normally get swept up in the crazy either, but this is different and it is worrisome. If I can find some hand sanitizer I would be happy to send you some, but since I am not terribly far away from you and there are several suspected cases here there isn’t any to be found. It is extremely frustrating that the Orange Menace is trivializing it and has put “Mr. let’s pray the gay away” in charge. It would ease my fears if I thought the powers that be had a better handle on it. Yes, I'd imagine that SLU is going to beome a ghost town soon.
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Post by breetheflea on Mar 4, 2020 19:57:37 GMT
If anyone wants a website that shows pretty up to date numbers and statistics: worldometer It seems legit to me I am not affiliated with the website I like seeing the current numbers without having to click on an entire article... If you scroll down past the big chart, it has the updates by date/location
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Post by chlerbie on Mar 4, 2020 20:48:27 GMT
I think, too, that people are trivializing the fact that while you may not be a fatality, there's a large number of people who HAVE recovered but were also in critical/serious conditions. I have read that some patients may need to spend 4-6 weeks on a ventilator.
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Post by ladytrisha on Mar 4, 2020 21:04:47 GMT
I also work for large company and we're now getting daily updates. This morning our State of the Firm meeting was cancelled (which also includes cyber security training) as it means a couple of hundred employees all in one area. This was on the books for months. Next week, we have board meetings and people are dialing in instead of coming into the office.
Meanwhile, my Mom insists she's going on her cruise and won't hear otherwise because she wants to. :/ Friend at work told me today that some of the travel insurance provisions are not covering this virus - that seems odd to me so I don't know if she's just spouting off stuff (as she tends to get overexcited on things).
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Mar 4, 2020 21:11:26 GMT
I also work for large company and we're now getting daily updates. This morning our State of the Firm meeting was cancelled (which also includes cyber security training) as it means a couple of hundred employees all in one area. This was on the books for months. Next week, we have board meetings and people are dialing in instead of coming into the office. Meanwhile, my Mom insists she's going on her cruise and won't hear otherwise because she wants to. :/ Friend at work told me today that some of the travel insurance provisions are not covering this virus - that seems odd to me so I don't know if she's just spouting off stuff (as she tends to get overexcited on things). Travel insurance does not cover pandemic type situations. Ergo, my girls and I are headed to Atlanta Saturday for spring break
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Post by amom23 on Mar 4, 2020 21:34:28 GMT
My sister lives in a N Seattle suburb and said her girls didn't have school yesterday and other school districts are randomly closing, my BIL is being encouraged to work from home by his company and stores like Costco and Target are empty of the essentials like toilet paper, etc.
Here is the middle of ND life seems to going on as normal.
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Post by mom2jnk on Mar 4, 2020 23:17:04 GMT
As many of you know I'm in Seattle, near downtown. There has been a good amount of conversation from our local leaders who are trying to manage this virus in our city, country, state. They are not getting pertainent information and direction from the federal government about who gets tested, guidelines for managing those who have come in contact with those who have tested positive, etc. I had dinner the other night with a good sized group of friends, half of whom still work. These are women high up in government banking, education, and medicine (one also has a daughter who is a Dr specializing in infectious disease, so you can imagine the stories she's hearing). Dealing with this is the main crux of their workload right now. By the way, there was a sign on the restaurant door asking that those with cold or flu symptoms to please not come inside and to cancel their reservation online. It's the real deal here. Schools have been closed for cleanings. One school district has already moved to online learning for the next 2 weeks. Meanwhile, 9 dead in our community since Friday. More local cases announced daily. One new patient works a mile away from me and in an area of town I'm in frequently (I'll be there twice next week, both in large social settings of 50+ people). It will likely grow like wildfire in this particular Seatte neighborhood as it is densly populated and there are thousands of workers (predominately) tech workers who work in the area daily. Saving grace is that most are under the age of 40 so hopefully it won't be as devistating as it's been at the nursing facility in Kirkland. Also, I would imagine that many will be able to tele-work fairly easily. After last night's announcement I came to the realization that most likely many people in this area will become infected, myself included....I feel like it's simply inevitable. I can only hope that my health is such that it doesn't turn into more than a mild illness for me. Buckle up, buttercups.....and if you have hand sanitizer an/or isopropyl alcohol) available in your area and would consider mailing some to me (I'd pay of course) please send me a PM. I don't use it typically, and am washing my hands like mad, but it's still something I'd like to have on hand. Thanks  ETA: mid-day news is on and it is being reported that it's now 10 dead since Friday. Lauren, sent you a PM.
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Post by tracyarts on Mar 4, 2020 23:35:29 GMT
I'm taking it very seriously, pretty much my whole family have pre-existing conditions and I have a 90 year old frail relative in a nursing home in Seattle, who will die if/when it spreads to her facility and she catches it. The other family members in the Seattle area are mostly healthy but one is in compromised health and my age (late 40s) so, high risk too. I might not die, but will probably end up on a ventilator, if/when I catch it.
I'm taking my doctor's advice for now. Stay healthy as possible, wash hands often, hand sanitizer when out of the house and away from soap and water, and limit crowd exposure. Also gathering up supplies in case we have to stay home for a while.
But I am sick and tired of conspiracy theories, price gouging, shelf clearing and hoarding, fearmongering (based on unsubstantiated rumors), agenda-pushing (religious and political) and taunting/shaming people who are taking precautions and making preparations.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Mar 4, 2020 23:47:38 GMT
My sister lives in a N Seattle suburb and said her girls didn't have school yesterday and other school districts are randomly closing, my BIL is being encouraged to work from home by his company and stores like Costco and Target are empty of the essentials like toilet paper, etc. Here is the middle of ND life seems to going on as normal. Then buy hand sanitizer while you can! Seriously, everyone not in this area, if you see hand sanitizer buy it! The rush on TP and other stuff is pretty similar to people prepping for a snow storm and fearing not being able to get out of their house for 2 weeks.
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Post by psoccer on Mar 5, 2020 1:10:29 GMT
My daughter's friend just came back from Italy. She was studying in Rome, and was told by the school to come back. Her flight went from Rome, to Munich, to SFO. When she arrived, she was asked if she had been in Iran or Japan. She said no, but she was just in Italy, and was waved through. Now, there are no cases in Rome, that I know of, but she was thinking that they would at least take her temperature.
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Post by fredfreddy44 on Mar 5, 2020 5:13:38 GMT
It scared me when I hear "oh 2% death rate isn't bad."
That is 1 on every 50 people. Do you know more than 50 people? Then someone you know will die. But no one thinks it will be them or someone they know. As John Oliver said" :that is literally the premise for The Leftovers (2% went to the afterlife) and it didn't go well.
Unless everyone you know is under 23, then maybe no one you know will die.
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Post by cade387 on Mar 5, 2020 5:43:15 GMT
I’m another one in Seattle and work at a law school. We had a two-hour meeting yesterday about what to do at this point. Basically we’re eliminating attendance requirements, but the university is still open. It is kind of the worst of both worlds right now, in that the university is open so students and professors are expected to show up, but I may end up teaching essentially a second course for each class online :/. We’re also being told to get our ducks in a row to go online. Our cleaning crews have had their service switched from daily bathroom/weekly building to daily building/bathrooms multiple times a day. There are wipes stations all over the place on the office floors where admins normally kept candy bowls. I am not on the front lines of dealing with student complaints, but there are a lot of students who want us to close. It is such a hard needle to thread—on the one hand, our public health authorities have not suggested closing schools. On the other hand, the information is spotty—it is so hard to get tested that it is unclear what the extent of the problem is here, or how many people have died from this, since people aren’t being tested for it. My walkable grocery (the QFC down the hill!) no longer even has a hand sanitizer section. It existed but was empty yesterday; when I check it this morning, they had replaced that section with something else, so...I am guessing they are not expecting more in any time soon. I've been helping to care for a friend who lives alone and broke her right (dominant) arm 5 weeks ago. Yesterday I took he out to run errands. We hit the Safeway and Bartells on 42nd in West Seattle. TP, paper towels, almost all cleaning products, isopropyl alcohol, etc completely wiped out. COMPLETELY. Earlier in the morning I had visited the top of QA Bartell's to pick up a prescription of mine and the same scenario there. I also just placed an Instacart grocery order from Met Mkt, and the next available delivery is 5-6pm tomorrow. Crazy. At least I have plenty of time to add to the order in case I forgot something  Michigan has been sold out since Sunday at least. I’m trying to find hand sanitizer or alcohol so I can still be able to help my mom get to chemo, as my littles are horrible at hands in mouth and touching things 😢.
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 5, 2020 6:15:50 GMT
My sister lives in a N Seattle suburb and said her girls didn't have school yesterday and other school districts are randomly closing, my BIL is being encouraged to work from home by his company and stores like Costco and Target are empty of the essentials like toilet paper, etc. Here is the middle of ND life seems to going on as normal. Hand sanitizer seems to be getting hard to find here in city ND. Toilet paper was not so bad, as of last weekend.
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Post by LeaP on Mar 5, 2020 6:19:03 GMT
My daughter's friend just came back from Italy. She was studying in Rome, and was told by the school to come back. Her flight went from Rome, to Munich, to SFO. When she arrived, she was asked if she had been in Iran or Japan. She said no, but she was just in Italy, and was waved through. Now, there are no cases in Rome, that I know of, but she was thinking that they would at least take her temperature. My daughter's BFF is flying into LAX from Rome this Friday. There is some sort of health check at customs. She is a minor and her dad is worried/wondering what will happen if she is quarantined.
I was in NYC and PA last week and just flew back to Burbank yesterday. I've been washing my hands like a maniac and trying not to touch my face. From what I have read the virus likes cooler more humid climates so I have hope that might mitigate the spread around here. There are, however, five new cases today.
Our Costco is picked over, but Trader Joe has everything except for black and pinto beans. I guess nobody is interested in cannellini beans for pasta and fagioli.
DIY hand sanitizer: vodka + 2 parts aloe vera, + few drops of a scented oil (if I make it, I will use almond extract as I over bought it)
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Post by flanz on Mar 5, 2020 7:16:57 GMT
Well, we have had two deaths and a school closure so far in my area, so I for one think being prepared (eg, having a plan for work if your kid’s school closes) is smart. I am going about my day to day life as normal, with more groceries and cleaning supplies than normal, and a pocket hand sanitizer for use in my car and office. But my 88-year-old dad lives in Kirkland, where the first US death occurred, and is having surgery today at a hospital with a patient who is in isolation for the virus, so I am not brushing this off like your friend. I care if my dad (and my mother who lives with him) catch this and die. They get flu shots religiously. We can’t do anything about this. How is your dad doing? Sending good thoughts!
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Post by flanz on Mar 5, 2020 7:19:34 GMT
I don't think people should panic but I don't think we should brush it off either. There are going to be consequences, human loss as well as economic. I'm sure I'm sensitive but I'm fighting stage 4 lung cancer, I'd prefer not to be taken out by this ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ . I'm a little concerned about the access to medications and I don't know about other people but I can't just get extra. I worry about people who can't stay home or pay for hospital visits. I'm really pissed about the fiasco with testing here which makes the situation more dire than it should be. Sending you lots of good thoughts withapea. (((HUGS)))
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Post by wellway on Mar 5, 2020 8:52:22 GMT
It scared me when I hear "oh 2% death rate isn't bad." That is 1 on every 50 people. Do you know more than 50 people? Then someone you know will die. But no one thinks it will be them or someone they know. As John Oliver said" :that is literally the premise for The Leftovers (2% went to the afterlife) and it didn't go well. Unless everyone you know is under 23, then maybe no one you know will die. According to the link breetheflea provided the death rate is 3.4% and where the infection case is closed, either by recovery/discharge or death, the death rate is 6%. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Post by wellway on Mar 5, 2020 8:53:09 GMT
Just noticed, someone marked this as politics?!! Wth?
ETA Appears to have been changed back now
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Post by gar on Mar 5, 2020 9:00:35 GMT
Just noticed, someone marked this as politics?!! Wth? Wth indeed!
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Post by dewryce on Mar 5, 2020 12:19:40 GMT
It scared me when I hear "oh 2% death rate isn't bad." That is 1 on every 50 people. Do you know more than 50 people? Then someone you know will die. But no one thinks it will be them or someone they know. As John Oliver said" :that is literally the premise for The Leftovers (2% went to the afterlife) and it didn't go well. Unless everyone you know is under 23, then maybe no one you know will die. I thought it was a percentage of those infected, not of the whole population?
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Post by Sarah*H on Mar 5, 2020 12:33:56 GMT
The current estimate is that 70% of the world population will be infected so that's still a lot of people.
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Post by Tammiem2pnc1 on Mar 5, 2020 12:46:25 GMT
While I am not panicked about it, but I am one of those "weakened immune system" people your friend so politely talked about. I am taking extra precautions about being out in public. While there are no reported cases in my area, once there are I will probably just stay home as much as possible. Now that won't help me if my husband gets it and brings it home from work or something, but that is something we will have to face if the time happens. He is a very diligent hand washer, always has been and even more so now that I am sick. I am not running out and buying extra cleaning supplies, we shop BJ's and buy in bulk anyway, so we have enough for awhile. I am also worried about my dad. He is 77 years old and in the beginning stages of dementia. His wife works for an assisted living facility driving patients on a bus to and from doctors appointments and such, so I worry about her bringing it home to my dad. I don't worry about the flu like this because I get vaccinated, yes I can still get and have, but not nearly the extent I would without the shot. I also have the meningitis vaccine and the pneumonia vaccine, but there is nothing for this so it scares me a little bit more.
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Post by dewryce on Mar 5, 2020 16:09:36 GMT
The current estimate is that 70% of the world population will be infected so that's still a lot of people. I agree completely. But it’s still not accurate and I think it’s important we aren’t spreading inaccurate information.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 16:30:07 GMT
The current estimate is that 70% of the world population will be infected so that's still a lot of people. The bolded is exactly that - an estimate. It can very well be up to 70% without an attempt by countries to contain it. Some are doing so diligently others not so much. As per the WHO a couple of days ago - “This virus is not SARS, it’s not MERS, and it’s not influenza,” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said at a briefing Tuesday, referencing other coronaviruses that have caused smaller outbreaks. “It is a unique virus with unique characteristics.”
By making a distinction between the viruses, Tedros has sought to rally global action against the new microbe. He and other WHO officials urged governments confronting the coronavirus to implement the public health measures that have been shown to reduce viral spread, such as isolating infected people, following those who come in contact with cases to see whether they develop illness, and suspending activities that bring together lots of people.
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Post by fredfreddy44 on Mar 5, 2020 16:34:38 GMT
The current estimate is that 70% of the world population will be infected so that's still a lot of people. You are right of course, it is the % of infected people, not total population. I was thinking last night: It started in Wuhan 2 months ago and there are well over 11 million people in Wuhan yet only 80K reported cases worldwide. That is a very %. Do you think lots have it who have never reported it, or the numbers are wrong, or it hasn't shown up yet in some? It has been two months after all.
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Post by sueg on Mar 5, 2020 16:38:47 GMT
Do you think lots have it who have never reported it, or the numbers are wrong, or it hasn't shown up yet in some? It has been two months after all. Possibly a bit of all 3. Some people might have had mild cases and thought they just had a cold. Some might just not have been tested, for a variety of reasons. And yes, I think it is possible that we don't know the true numbers, given some of the other fact hiding we've seen in this epidemic.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 5, 2020 16:38:52 GMT
just want to say: I'm removing the Politics label from this thread-- and if I see that someone puts it back, I'll remove it again-- and again, as many times as I need to (and if I don't notice, I hope that someone else will do it).
This is a WORLDWIDE HEALTH ISSUE-- it is NOT POLITICAL.
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Post by elaine on Mar 5, 2020 17:31:50 GMT
The current estimate is that 70% of the world population will be infected so that's still a lot of people. You are right of course, it is the % of infected people, not total population. I was thinking last night: It started in Wuhan 2 months ago and there are well over 11 million people in Wuhan yet only 80K reported cases worldwide. That is a very %. Do you think lots have it who have never reported it, or the numbers are wrong, or it hasn't shown up yet in some? It has been two months after all. FWIW, the current total is 97,810 that have been tested and come up positive. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/I think a huge issue is that countries like ours have severely limited testing. There may be many many more people who have the virus who haven’t been tested. 80% will have mild symptoms, and those people wouldn’t qualify to be tested here, for example. The lack of testing has made it hard for everyone to figure out the actual statistics that describe how the virus is acting and how lethal it is.
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Post by gar on Mar 5, 2020 18:09:11 GMT
just want to say: I'm removing the Politics label from this thread-- and if I see that someone puts it back, I'll remove it again-- and again, as many times as I need to (and if I don't notice, I hope that someone else will do it). This is a WORLDWIDE HEALTH ISSUE-- it is NOT POLITICAL. Thank you. This is a worldwide health issue - nothing to do with American politics.
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