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Post by ghislaine on Apr 6, 2020 12:10:41 GMT
Add me to those with summer trips planned that I just don't see happening now. We ordered a camping trailer and were planning to take the kids on a big loop of U.S. National Parks. Our camper was supposed to be ready at the end of this month but it's on the Canadian side of the border so even if it were ready, we probably can't go get it for a while. Add in loss of income and there is an issue of affording the trip. Even if things do open up enough to allow that kind of travel, I'm not sure we'd be willing to go!
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Post by sharlag on Apr 6, 2020 16:52:40 GMT
When we do reopen it will be limited like China. We will have second wave and will probably have another quarantine, maybe less stringent than this one. Then we will have third wave, by that time we should have a vaccine. China was four months before limited reopening. They were strict. Countries that were less strict or slow will have a longer shut down. Where are you seeing details on how the 'waves' or limiting/reopenings are being handled?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 6, 2020 17:14:56 GMT
no idea, honestly...
according to the story I just saw (via The Hill.com) cases in Arizona aren't expected to peak until April 27th... our company is still open (corporate determined they fit the definition of essential) but the people who can have been working from home for about 2 weeks already, restaurants have been drive-thru or take-out only, nail salons, etc were finally closed over the weekend...
It's going to be a LONG spring...
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Post by Scrapper100 on Apr 6, 2020 17:59:58 GMT
I just saw a short piece in China on CNN but it looks like they are back to normal. They showed a park and it was crowded. Now maybe for China it’s not crowded but by US standards. Markets are back open.
I thought I heard they had another surge in cases and locked stuff back down but maybe not.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Apr 6, 2020 18:07:32 GMT
I think it will be sometime in July.
My friend (American) flew back to Shanghai (there for 3 year contract), she fled China when the virus started and then went back because she said US was not taking it serious and she felt safer there. She is in quarantine for 14 days. Waiting to hear what is going on in China, that will give us an idea how long. Although, I think US will last longer, they took very strong measures that we are not doing.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 6, 2020 18:19:34 GMT
I just saw a short piece in China on CNN but it looks like they are back to normal. They showed a park and it was crowded. Now maybe for China it’s not crowded but by US standards. Markets are back open. I thought I heard they had another surge in cases and locked stuff back down but maybe not. China is pretty big and just like a lot of our restrictions are state by state or even city by city, a lot of their restrictions are province by province or city by city. Wuhan, specifically, has had multiple waves of shut downs and reopening sand back to shut downs.
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Post by anniefb on Apr 6, 2020 18:23:31 GMT
Our lockdown in New Zealand started on 25 March at midnight and is currently scheduled to end on 22 April. The government is apparently getting advice this week about whether the 4 weeks is enough and if so what is needed to then move to level 3 restrictions which is a slight lessening - a few more things open but still no large gatherings, a lot of people still working from home and public venues where people are likely to gather still closed.
The signs are promising that we are not seeing a spike in numbers and that new infections are flattening off. I hope that's the case. The aim of the lockdown is to actually eliminate Covid-19. If it's worked then the restrictions should lessen substantially and the focus is likely to go to border control and making sure that anyone returning has to go into quarantine.
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Post by gar on Apr 6, 2020 18:38:20 GMT
The aim of the lockdown is to actually eliminate Covid-19. Are you hearing about the need for testing etc and in the future vaccines of course? Our government aren't giving us a date at the moment, understandably. They're saying they will review the stats around Easter time and will go from there but we'll need to ramp up our testing numbers so we can manage the resurgence which will inevitably come. I imagine it'll be another couple of weeks and then a gradual opening of more essential things like optician, dentists and so on. I think we're a way away from being able to go to the pub unfortunately
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Post by gar on Apr 6, 2020 18:43:15 GMT
Apparently Japan has just declared a state of emergency and it's said they implemented their lock down too late Their numbers have been enviably low up until now.
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Post by anniefb on Apr 7, 2020 1:34:58 GMT
The aim of the lockdown is to actually eliminate Covid-19. Are you hearing about the need for testing etc and in the future vaccines of course? Our government aren't giving us a date at the moment, understandably. They're saying they will review the stats around Easter time and will go from there but we'll need to ramp up our testing numbers so we can manage the resurgence which will inevitably come. I imagine it'll be another couple of weeks and then a gradual opening of more essential things like optician, dentists and so on. I think we're a way away from being able to go to the pub unfortunately Yes there's lots of talk about testing here and reports saying that a vaccine is 12 - 18 months away. We have recently increased testing capacity to 5000/day. In today's update from Director-General of Health and the PM it was said that there have been more than 42,800 tests so far, almost 3000 yesterday. Community transmission is holding at 2% but testing needs to increase and the government said it also needs to ensure that testing is appropriately distributed across the country so it can tell if some regions can come out of lockdown before others or face more measures if there's a further outbreak etc. From today when our national contact tracing system is being moved to a digital platform, they will be able to link directly to lab results and also get reports on region wide tracing percentages as well as do breakdowns based on ethnicity, age etc. Today there were 54 new cases, down from yesterday's 67 and 89 the day before.
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Post by KikiPea on Apr 7, 2020 2:38:09 GMT
Obviously none of us have crystal balls, but I wondering how long you all think the shutdowns are going to last? I was personally stunned when I heard Seattle area schools were closed until April 27. Obviously we are all hoping for a quick return to status quo, but holy cow, Seattle closing that long is freaking me out a bit. Granted our schools are still open, but I can’t imagine they will continue to be so. BTT just wondering what everyone is thinking now. Since Washington is only extended a week and Oregon hasn’t extended theirs at all, is it wrong to feel hopeful? Our schools are closed till May 4th. I’m thinking it could be late May, but who knows.
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Post by AussieMeg on Apr 7, 2020 3:08:16 GMT
Our lockdown in New Zealand started on 25 March at midnight and is currently scheduled to end on 22 April. The government is apparently getting advice this week about whether the 4 weeks is enough and if so what is needed to then move to level 3 restrictions which is a slight lessening - a few more things open but still no large gatherings, a lot of people still working from home and public venues where people are likely to gather still closed. The signs are promising that we are not seeing a spike in numbers and that new infections are flattening off. I hope that's the case. The aim of the lockdown is to actually eliminate Covid-19. If it's worked then the restrictions should lessen substantially and the focus is likely to go to border control and making sure that anyone returning has to go into quarantine. I really admire the way NZ is handling this, and the fact that you've only had one death so far. Which is one death too many, of course, but better than a lot of other countries, even when taking your small population into account.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 4:04:21 GMT
I know of people who have been on a shelter in place mandate since February. This virus is an unknown. I am trying to brace myself in case the mandate is permanent. So far there is no end in sight.
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Post by anniefb on Apr 7, 2020 4:29:30 GMT
Our lockdown in New Zealand started on 25 March at midnight and is currently scheduled to end on 22 April. The government is apparently getting advice this week about whether the 4 weeks is enough and if so what is needed to then move to level 3 restrictions which is a slight lessening - a few more things open but still no large gatherings, a lot of people still working from home and public venues where people are likely to gather still closed. The signs are promising that we are not seeing a spike in numbers and that new infections are flattening off. I hope that's the case. The aim of the lockdown is to actually eliminate Covid-19. If it's worked then the restrictions should lessen substantially and the focus is likely to go to border control and making sure that anyone returning has to go into quarantine. I really admire the way NZ is handling this, and the fact that you've only had one death so far. Which is one death too many, of course, but better than a lot of other countries, even when taking your small population into account. I'm really grateful for the way that the government here has taken decisive action to try to stamp it out. There is economic pain but to me that's preferable to a huge loss of life like other countries have unfortunately had to suffer.
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Post by sean&marysmommy on Apr 7, 2020 9:19:31 GMT
I'm thinking, come summer, that some restrictions will be lifted but we won't be having huge gatherings like concerts or sporting events by that point. Totally guessing of course. A lot of what I've read said that we are likely to have a second wave come fall, and will have to quarantine again.
My brother-in-law and his family are stationed in South Korea, and they've been quarantined for 10 weeks now.
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Post by ExpatBackHome on Apr 7, 2020 10:11:45 GMT
We are in our 5th week of lockdown. You are only allowed out to buy groceries, medicine and to get tested for COVID-19. We have to submit a permit before leaving the house to buy groceries. You must wear a mask and gloves if you leave the house (you will be fined). Only one adult can go shopping and they check your temperature before you can enter the grocery store. They have also put up plexiglass between the cashiers and customers. I just read an article today that they are using AI to determine if the path you took is for essentials or not.
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Post by annie on Apr 7, 2020 15:13:39 GMT
Friend is in the bureaucracy of our large school district here in Wisconsin. They've been told we may not go back to school until October. I hope that is wrong. Can't even fathom it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 16:49:44 GMT
Friend is in the bureaucracy of our large school district here in Wisconsin. They've been told we may not go back to school until October. I hope that is wrong. Can't even fathom it. Dh's district is looking at Sept start but it may be pushed back more. With a second wave likely in fall (this is very much like Spanish Flu 1918), we will need to be cautious and self distance again or it will peak
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Post by miominmio on Apr 7, 2020 16:51:34 GMT
Norway and Denmark will start lifting them next week.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 17:10:20 GMT
I think it will be quite some time before the world comes back to normal. One country, even if their numbers come down, can't allow outside of the country travel if another country is still not at their peak and has started to plateau. It would start all over again if they did because someone would return with it, as has happened already. Each country might allow less restriction by the end of summer/autumn but only within their own country. I think we've all accepted it in the UK that the schools are not going back at all this academic year when they normally finish mid July. Other restriction will be piecemeal as and when they get the scientific figured that will allow it.
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Post by sassyangel on Apr 7, 2020 17:20:20 GMT
I’m mentally prepared for 2020 to be an interrupted year. I don’t see anything returning to close to normal until there is a vaccine. And enough people get it for a reasonable degree of herd immunity. I’m also mentally preparing for international travel restrictions of some kind to last for 12-18 months or so.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 17:42:41 GMT
Until trump is made president for life.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 18:19:28 GMT
I’m mentally prepared for 2020 to be an interrupted year. I don’t see anything returning to close to normal until there is a vaccine. And enough people get it for a reasonable degree of herd immunity. I’m also mentally preparing for international travel restrictions of some kind to last for 12-18 months or so. Yeah, I told DH that this coming holiday season (Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas/other december holidays) is going to be weird.
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