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Post by Skellinton on Mar 13, 2020 1:18:49 GMT
Obviously none of us have crystal balls, but I wondering how long you all think the shutdowns are going to last? I was personally stunned when I heard Seattle area schools were closed until April 27. Obviously we are all hoping for a quick return to status quo, but holy cow, Seattle closing that long is freaking me out a bit. Granted our schools are still open, but I can’t imagine they will continue to be so.
BTT just wondering what everyone is thinking now. Since Washington is only extended a week and Oregon hasn’t extended theirs at all, is it wrong to feel hopeful?
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Post by andreasmom on Mar 13, 2020 1:20:41 GMT
Obviously none of us have crystal balls, but I wondering how long you all think the shutdowns are going to last? I was personally stunned when I heard Seattle area schools were closed until April 27. Obviously we are all hoping for a quick return to status quo, but holy cow, Seattle closing that long is freaking me out a bit. Granted our schools are still open, but I can’t imagine they will continue to be so. While 6 weeks sound like a veeeeeeery long stretch, I do hope that once we reach Aril 24, everything can go back to normal.
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Post by mom on Mar 13, 2020 1:20:55 GMT
Colleges here are already canceling graduation mid May, so I am guessing til atleast the end of May.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 13, 2020 1:31:22 GMT
Wow. I know things won’t be completely over snd back to normal but really hoping to see a lot of improvement in the next month.
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Post by Why on Mar 13, 2020 1:37:01 GMT
My guess is at least 2 months. This is a big country with a lot of people and a percentage of them will not follow safety guidelines. That will keep the virus alive and spreading.
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Post by silverlining on Mar 13, 2020 4:11:24 GMT
Our community college district is closing next week through June 1st. Universities that sent students home across the country and internationally are not going to bring them back.
I'm thinking it could be a long haul before this reaches its peak, and then quite a while more before we're back to normal. I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by dewryce on Mar 13, 2020 5:39:21 GMT
While I hope things will be much improved next month, I think we’re in for a fairly long ride.
And it’ll be a very long time until things are back to normal in a lot of places simply due to the financial losses, closed businesses, etc. People are going to lose jobs and won’t be able to contribute financially to the recovery aspect by following their usual spending patterns.
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Post by MichyM on Mar 13, 2020 6:06:03 GMT
I’m hopeful that we’ll be past the very worst of it by mid-May. When you look at what is happening in China as well as in Italy, that seems to be the time frame. I don't think it was caught and acted upon early enough here to warrant a shorter time frame.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 13, 2020 6:09:25 GMT
I think it will be the end of April before we get over the worst of this. Hoping things start to get back to normal in May.
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Post by miominmio on Mar 13, 2020 6:16:18 GMT
My entire country is on lockdown for to weeks. Not only schools, but many businesses are closed as well. I think this will continue at least a couple of months.
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Post by gar on Mar 13, 2020 8:01:34 GMT
In the UK they're saying we're looking at 3 months of disruption ahead at least. I do not think this'll be on it's way out as soon as April anywhere...but nor sure about actual closures.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 8:20:41 GMT
It's going to be far longer than we ( general we) at this time, think it will. No one has any idea how many people have it already without showing symptoms yet. People can walk around feeling as fit as a fiddle today and bang, they come out with all the symptoms tomorrow. Example A comes out with symptoms today - they have infected say 5 people during their incubation period. Those 5 people can take an estimated 14 days to show symptoms. In the meantime they have infected 10/15 more who can then also take 14 days to show symptoms and on and on it goes. I don't doubt that it will be months rather than weeks.
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Post by maryannscraps on Mar 13, 2020 11:21:50 GMT
It's going to be far longer than we ( general we) at this time, think it will. No one has any idea how many people have it already without showing symptoms yet. People can walk around feeling as fit as a fiddle today and bang, they come out with all the symptoms tomorrow. Example A comes out with symptoms today - they have infected say 5 people during their incubation period. Those 5 people can take an estimated 14 days to show symptoms. In the meantime they have infected 10/15 more who can then also take 14 days to show symptoms and on and on it goes. I don't doubt that it will be months rather than weeks. I'm not a doctor, but the US NIH published a study that says the mean incubation period is 5.1 days. How does that fit in with a 14 day quarantine? I don't know enough about infectious diseases to understand. Anyone help me out? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32150748
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Post by mikklynn on Mar 13, 2020 11:33:47 GMT
Mike Osterholm, an epidemiologist and infection disease expert at the university of Minnesota says we should plan for 6 months.
He has been saying for years we are not prepared for a pandemic. He also said weeks ago that this would affect our daily lives.
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 13, 2020 11:35:37 GMT
While I hope things will be much improved next month, I think we’re in for a fairly long ride. And it’ll be a very long time until things are back to normal in a lot of places simply due to the financial losses, closed businesses, etc. People are going to lose jobs and won’t be able to contribute financially to the recovery aspect by following their usual spending patterns. I know that the financial piece is going to be incredibly difficult, our school district just closed for at least a week and a half longer then our planned spring break, which means no pay for me. It will be a struggle for us, but not devastating as it will be for so many.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 12:33:51 GMT
It's going to be far longer than we ( general we) at this time, think it will. No one has any idea how many people have it already without showing symptoms yet. People can walk around feeling as fit as a fiddle today and bang, they come out with all the symptoms tomorrow. Example A comes out with symptoms today - they have infected say 5 people during their incubation period. Those 5 people can take an estimated 14 days to show symptoms. In the meantime they have infected 10/15 more who can then also take 14 days to show symptoms and on and on it goes. I don't doubt that it will be months rather than weeks. I'm not a doctor, but the US NIH published a study that says the mean incubation period is 5.1 days. How does that fit in with a 14 day quarantine? I don't know enough about infectious diseases to understand. Anyone help me out? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32150748Ha, neither am I I don't think anyone actually does to be honest, they're all guessing as this virus is unknown. There an argument for both I think. Some have shown symptoms earlier than others with who they've traced contact with. I think 14 days is probably a safety thing, just to make sure. It could even be longer for all we know. Some that catch it sooner after contact than others does make a bit of sense as far as individual immune systems go. Some have stronger immune systems to try and fight things off than others even in normal healthy people. ETA From that article. Median is the average. So we shouldn't use that time frame as gospel. The median incubation period was estimated to be 5.1 days (95% CI, 4.5 to 5.8 days), and 97.5% of those who develop symptoms will do so within 11.5 days (CI, 8.2 to 15.6 days) of infection. These estimates imply that, under conservative assumptions, 101 out of every 10 000 cases (99th percentile, 482) will develop symptoms after 14 days of active monitoring or quarantine.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Mar 13, 2020 12:37:36 GMT
Mean is a mathematical term, it just means average. Add up all the incubation periods reported, divide by number of reports.
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Post by Jockscrap on Mar 13, 2020 12:44:12 GMT
The Scottish first minister made a long announcement yesterday. We are not at the point of shutting schools etc yet as they want it to have maximum effect when we are on the upward trajectory of the pandemic curve but she said closures will be months not weeks. The aim is to push the unavoidable big peak of infection nearer to the summer months when the NHS will be better able to cope and that peak is anticipated to be 9-12 weeks a way. We are in for at least 6 months of severe disruption with years of economic effects to follow.
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Post by rockymtnpea on Mar 13, 2020 12:44:32 GMT
Skellinton...(sorry if I spelled wrong) Aren’t you contracted meaning that if your district closed an extra week you would get paid for it per contract? (Just curious...not arguing)
I agree about the financial piece...I am sad at those almost gleeful just to support their thoughts
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Post by Jockscrap on Mar 13, 2020 12:47:52 GMT
In the UK they're saying we're looking at 3 months of disruption ahead at least. I do not think this'll be on it's way out as soon as April anywhere...but nor sure about actual closures. What did you think of Boris yesterday? I think when he stops all the Boris-buffoonery, he can be very eloquent. I thought the press event with him, the CSO and the CMO was measured and well delivered. I though our Scottish FM did really well too. What a nightmare to be in a position of power in these times.
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Post by milocat on Mar 13, 2020 13:16:52 GMT
Mike Osterholm, an epidemiologist and infection disease expert at the university of Minnesota says we should plan for 6 months. He has been saying for years we are not prepared for a pandemic. He also said weeks ago that this would affect our daily lives. I also hears him say Italy will reach it's peak around the beginning of April and Europe mid-April. That's the estimated peak,not when it's over or if there would be another surge. So thinking of the numbers over there vs the numbers in North America when it started, the length of time, we have a ways to go. Sigh. Maybe we can be learning from them but we're not. I'll admit a week ago I was all it's just a fast spreading flu like sickness. Now it's more than that, but if yoo many have the no big deal attitude it will keep spreading here until it's too late and too many have it.
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Post by Night Owl on Mar 13, 2020 13:22:53 GMT
Our schools got shut down for 3 weeks but I am skeptical that things are going to be improved by then. They are only testing here if you have traveled internationally so I am afraid more people have it than we realize.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 14:16:01 GMT
I'm thinking 3-4 months, maybe more. There are a lot of naysayers out there who will not heed the warnings.
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Post by tracylynn on Mar 13, 2020 15:06:15 GMT
I’m hopeful that we’ll be past the very worst of it by mid-May. When you look at what is happening in China as well as in Italy, that seems to be the time frame. I don't think it was caught and acted upon early enough here to warrant a shorter time frame. Agree with this! If our National response had been quicker I think we could have been ahead of the game. But, since it was a hoax for the longest time, I think we're going to follow the path of China and Italy and it'll be May before things can take a turn. I talked to a customer yesterday who made a snarky comment about "your over reactionary Governor caused all this panic across the entire US". I let it go (since, customer and all) but all I could think was at least someone is trying to do SOMETHING. The Federal Government is doing NOTHING but spinning their wheels here.
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Post by tyra on Mar 13, 2020 15:37:11 GMT
From a few different things that I have read (will link if I can go back and find them), they are predicting the worst of the worst in the US to peak end of April/early May. Hopefully that isn't accurate, but given that I have read it from a few different sources I am inclined to believe that.
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Post by bethany102399 on Mar 13, 2020 15:42:27 GMT
We have plans to head to Orlando at the end of May. I'm really hoping we'll be able to actually go and that both sets of parks down there are open.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 13, 2020 15:48:06 GMT
From a few different things that I have read (will link if I can go back and find them), they are predicting the worst of the worst in the US to peak end of April/early May. Hopefully that isn't accurate, but given that I have read it from a few different sources I am inclined to believe that. Wow I was really hoping to be past it at that point. My husband still thinks we are over reacting and that nothing should be shut down.
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 13, 2020 16:03:33 GMT
Skellinton...(sorry if I spelled wrong) Aren’t you contracted meaning that if your district closed an extra week you would get paid for it per contract? (Just curious...not arguing) I agree about the financial piece...I am sad at those almost gleeful just to support their thoughts I didn’t think you were being difficult, it is a weird situation I am in. I work in a non profit PreK located in a public school, so if the school district is closed, so are we. Classroom teachers (K-5) will be paid. I don’t know what happens with their paras and other support staff though. We will not be paid if we don’t work. It sucks, but it is what it is. I just hope it doesn’t last must longer then the 2.5 weeks scheduled. I have been saving my PTO to cover most of Spring Break, so I do have most of that covered. I won’t have anything for the other 1.5 week. Not devastating for us, but if it drags on it will be very difficult.
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 13, 2020 16:11:21 GMT
Months not weeks unfortunately
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Post by mrssmith on Mar 13, 2020 16:23:15 GMT
I'm hoping if we buckle down, we'll be better by end of April. At least we have the benefit from learning from China and other countries. However, everyone really has to participate. Allegedly Trump will declare a state of emergency any minute now.
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