PrettyInPeank
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Jun 5, 2020 4:22:39 GMT
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Post by pierogi on Jun 5, 2020 4:28:58 GMT
Outrageous. This is what we’ve come to.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 5, 2020 4:35:14 GMT
And what the police are saying about the incident:
Buffalo Police issued a statement Thursday night saying "a 5th person was arrested during a skirmish with other protestors and also charged with disorderly conduct. During that skirmish involving protestors, one person was injured when he tripped & fell."
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Post by katlady on Jun 5, 2020 4:59:01 GMT
I saw another video somewhere where an elderly man was walking away from the police, and he was pushed from behind by one and fell to the ground.
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 5, 2020 5:02:16 GMT
I would but I can’t go protest. What do we do? Check out Campaign Zero. I posted about their 8 Can't Wait initiative on this thread. I understand at least 2 of the officers involved in Buffalo assault have been suspended and an investigation started.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Jun 5, 2020 5:12:51 GMT
It’s just appalling. He’s an old fragile man and they just left him there.
I can imagine these are the same police we’ve seen knocking younger protesters around to make sure the pepper spray goes directly in their eyes. It’s just appalling.
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Post by peanutterbutter on Jun 5, 2020 5:18:10 GMT
I just saw the video, he definitely was pushed. I did see the one officer who started to stop and then down to help him and he was pushed along by his fellow officers. Absolutely horrible. I truly believe in supporting our law enforcement they have a difficult and demanding job and they do things nobody else wants to do, but behavior like this cannot be tolerated.
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Post by Frazzled Mom on Jun 5, 2020 5:23:33 GMT
That's absolutely horrific. I grew up in Buffalo and I'm so sad and angry to see this.
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Post by nlwilkins on Jun 5, 2020 6:05:26 GMT
I wrote this three times and chickened about posting it. Then decided to go ahead as we need to be open and honest here about how we feel. I know I am going to be lambasted and labeled with ugly words, but please look at the video with an open mind, think of the policeman in question as a son or brother and watch again. You would find excuses for him then just like you are now finding fault with him now because he is a policeman.
I hate that this happened and it is a rough world out there. Yes they were rough with the gentleman, BUT if someone gets in my face to yell at me like he was, I am not apt to act peacefully. Then I saw an officer get on his mic and I hope it was to call in for help for him. There were voices saying get a medic, it might have been an officer or it might have been another protestor.
I am not saying he asked for it, but what was the gentleman expecting to happen? The police line had to move forward, did he think that by getting in the way he would be able to stop it? He would not get out of the way. He was pushed, but how hard? The fact he tripped and fell could have been cause he was pushed too hard, or could have been cause he stumbled, or there might have been a crack in the pavement.
I am not supporting anything I saw there, nor am I saying he asked for it, but please look again at the video and see if you can see other ways to interpret what you are seeing.
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Post by inkedup on Jun 5, 2020 6:14:01 GMT
I wrote this three times and chickened about posting it. Then decided to go ahead as we need to be open and honest here about how we feel. I know I am going to be lambasted and labeled with ugly words, but please look at the video with an open mind, think of the policeman in question as a son or brother and watch again. You would find excuses for him then just like you are now finding fault with him now because he is a policeman. I hate that this happened and it is a rough world out there. Yes they were rough with the gentleman, BUT if someone gets in my face to yell at me like he was, I am not apt to act peacefully. Then I saw an officer get on his mic and I hope it was to call in for help for him. There were voices saying get a medic, it might have been an officer or it might have been another protestor. I am not saying he asked for it, but what was the gentleman expecting to happen? The police line had to move forward, did he think that by getting in the way he would be able to stop it? He would not get out of the way. He was pushed, but how hard? The fact he tripped and fell could have been cause he was pushed too hard, or could have been cause he stumbled, or there might have been a crack in the pavement. I am not supporting anything I saw there, nor am I saying he asked for it, but please look again at the video and see if you can see other ways to interpret what you are seeing. We spend a lot of money training police officers. This is in no way acceptable. And the man did not trip. He was pushed. How do you interpret the failure to render aid to an unresponsive man who is bleeding from the ear? If my loved one were a police officer that pushed or ignored this man, I'd be disgusted, too. This behavior is repugnant and violent.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jun 5, 2020 6:14:08 GMT
And what the police are saying about the incident: Buffalo Police issued a statement Thursday night saying "a 5th person was arrested during a skirmish with other protestors and also charged with disorderly conduct. During that skirmish involving protestors, one person was injured when he tripped & fell." They're saying he "tripped and fell"?! He was pretty obviously shoved, then staggered backwards and fell to the ground. One police officer went to walk over to check on him and the other one stopped him. People die from falling / being pushed to the ground and hitting their head. It happened to a very high profile sports/radio person here some years ago. And he was a lot younger than the man in this video.
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Post by katlady on Jun 5, 2020 6:38:37 GMT
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Post by myshelly on Jun 5, 2020 6:42:16 GMT
I wrote this three times and chickened about posting it. Then decided to go ahead as we need to be open and honest here about how we feel. I know I am going to be lambasted and labeled with ugly words, but please look at the video with an open mind, think of the policeman in question as a son or brother and watch again. You would find excuses for him then just like you are now finding fault with him now because he is a policeman. I hate that this happened and it is a rough world out there. Yes they were rough with the gentleman, BUT if someone gets in my face to yell at me like he was, I am not apt to act peacefully. Then I saw an officer get on his mic and I hope it was to call in for help for him. There were voices saying get a medic, it might have been an officer or it might have been another protestor. I am not saying he asked for it, but what was the gentleman expecting to happen? The police line had to move forward, did he think that by getting in the way he would be able to stop it? He would not get out of the way. He was pushed, but how hard? The fact he tripped and fell could have been cause he was pushed too hard, or could have been cause he stumbled, or there might have been a crack in the pavement. I am not supporting anything I saw there, nor am I saying he asked for it, but please look again at the video and see if you can see other ways to interpret what you are seeing. You’re right, those police officers in full riot gear could not possibly have thought of any other solution. If they had simply gone around the man they wouldn’t have survived to see another day.
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Post by Frazzled Mom on Jun 5, 2020 6:43:13 GMT
I wrote this three times and chickened about posting it. Then decided to go ahead as we need to be open and honest here about how we feel. I know I am going to be lambasted and labeled with ugly words, but please look at the video with an open mind, think of the policeman in question as a son or brother and watch again. You would find excuses for him then just like you are now finding fault with him now because he is a policeman. I hate that this happened and it is a rough world out there. Yes they were rough with the gentleman, BUT if someone gets in my face to yell at me like he was, I am not apt to act peacefully. Then I saw an officer get on his mic and I hope it was to call in for help for him. There were voices saying get a medic, it might have been an officer or it might have been another protestor. I am not saying he asked for it, but what was the gentleman expecting to happen? The police line had to move forward, did he think that by getting in the way he would be able to stop it? He would not get out of the way. He was pushed, but how hard? The fact he tripped and fell could have been cause he was pushed too hard, or could have been cause he stumbled, or there might have been a crack in the pavement. I am not supporting anything I saw there, nor am I saying he asked for it, but please look again at the video and see if you can see other ways to interpret what you are seeing. No. Just no. Police should trained to deal with confrontational situations and this is not acceptable or understandable under any circumstance. Attitudes like yours are why police keep getting away with injuring and killing unarmed citizens. They need to be held accountable if they want to hold that job. It's Protect and Serve not Confront and Assault.
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wellway
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Post by wellway on Jun 5, 2020 6:44:20 GMT
If a relative of mine acted like that I would be digusted. Apart from a loud voice what threat was the old man, the policeman was armed, surrounded by a posse of other armed officers. They were unnecessarily aggressive and then compounded their awful behaviour by not immediately checking on him.
I would expect a relative to engage their brain and their mouth before they engage their hands and weapons.
So no, I can't see any other way to interpret the video other than brawn over brain. Can you not see that the officer's behaviour had the potential to add oil to the fire?
Any word on the old man?
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Post by katiejane on Jun 5, 2020 6:57:21 GMT
I wrote this three times and chickened about posting it. Then decided to go ahead as we need to be open and honest here about how we feel. I know I am going to be lambasted and labeled with ugly words, but please look at the video with an open mind, think of the policeman in question as a son or brother and watch again. You would find excuses for him then just like you are now finding fault with him now because he is a policeman. I hate that this happened and it is a rough world out there. Yes they were rough with the gentleman, BUT if someone gets in my face to yell at me like he was, I am not apt to act peacefully. Then I saw an officer get on his mic and I hope it was to call in for help for him. There were voices saying get a medic, it might have been an officer or it might have been another protestor. I am not saying he asked for it, but what was the gentleman expecting to happen? The police line had to move forward, did he think that by getting in the way he would be able to stop it? He would not get out of the way. He was pushed, but how hard? The fact he tripped and fell could have been cause he was pushed too hard, or could have been cause he stumbled, or there might have been a crack in the pavement. I am not supporting anything I saw there, nor am I saying he asked for it, but please look again at the video and see if you can see other ways to interpret what you are seeing. We spend a lot of money training police officers. This is in no way acceptable. And the man did not trip. He was pushed. How do you interpret the failure to render aid to an unresponsive man who is bleeding from the ear? If my loved one were a police officer that pushed or ignored this man, I'd be disgusted, too. This behavior is repugnant and violent. You might want to react by pushing someone, because you feel threatened. But that policeman was covered in head to toe in riot gear, had a gun. He also was attending a protest and should of been prepared to deal with people yelling at him. That is part of protesting. He was in a position of power. Neither of the men in these videos had done anything to qualify these policemen to feel that endangering their policeman's lives. Not liking being yelled out is not a reason to hit out and use force. There are a whole range of techniques that can be used before. The fact that these reports are coming in so frequently is not ok.
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Post by nlwilkins on Jun 5, 2020 7:13:48 GMT
OK, I stand corrected, I was wrong and will re-watch the video again and look for the terrible ways these men are behaving. You see what you look for.
Yes they are trained to be better than this and I never said what they did was right. Of course there were better ways to handle a man getting in your face like that. But they chose to be bullies.
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Post by anniefb on Jun 5, 2020 7:15:30 GMT
Just saw that on the news. Appalling.
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Post by stittsygirl on Jun 5, 2020 7:17:55 GMT
Me, a lowly civilian, would have at the very least been on the ground checking the unconscious bleeding man right away, like my BLS training taught me. I guess the Buffalo police force don’t get BLS training - or they just didn’t CARE 😡.
(I know one appeared to have tried - the fact that others that stopped them and kept walking is despicable)
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PrettyInPeank
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Jun 5, 2020 7:31:14 GMT
I wrote this three times and chickened about posting it. Then decided to go ahead as we need to be open and honest here about how we feel. I know I am going to be lambasted and labeled with ugly words, but please look at the video with an open mind, think of the policeman in question as a son or brother and watch again. You would find excuses for him then just like you are now finding fault with him now because he is a policeman. Ok I appreciate your honesty but no, no, no. I would not make excuses for anyone I know for this. I seriously wouldn’t, God as my witness. I posted this on my personal Facebook page and my liberal gay friend of mine said it was awful, but also said “what did he expect walking up to police in riot gear though?” I said good point, but felt it still didn’t give them permission to be rough. Then I pondered it, and realized no, damnit. Wait a damn minute. Somehow we have been groomed and conditioned to accept police in gear = dangerous person. Let that sink in a little. That gear is only supposed to be protection for the officers, not a battering ram to hurt civilians. I don’t care if that old man had a list of priors, was on drugs, was yelling expletives, or innocently asking for directions. Pushing him was assault, plain and simple. They wouldn’t have lied in their reports or to the press if it wasn’t.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 8:51:21 GMT
Yes they are trained to be better than this and I never said what they did was right But you tried to make excuses for it. By your own way of thinking, watch it again and imagine that's your elderly father/husband/uncle etc and think how you'd feel. Hopefully, you'll feel as sickened as the rest of us. He was pushed and fell backwards so hard blood was running from his ears, no one stopped to help him. That is inexcusable.
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Post by christine58 on Jun 5, 2020 10:16:50 GMT
And what the police are saying about the incident: Buffalo Police issued a statement Thursday night saying "a 5th person was arrested during a skirmish with other protestors and also charged with disorderly conduct. During that skirmish involving protestors, one person was injured when he tripped & fell." They're saying he "tripped and fell"?! He was pretty obviously shoved, then staggered backwards and fell to the ground. One police officer went to walk over to check on him and the other one stopped him. People die from falling / being pushed to the ground and hitting their head. It happened to a very high profile sports/radio person here some years ago. And he was a lot younger than the man in this video. After they viewed the video, the statement changed. I just watched this on my local (Buffalo) news. I am appalled. The man in question is in satisfactory condition at the hospital. Those officers were in the wrong.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 5, 2020 10:22:17 GMT
I posted the video yesterday in the police thread.
These are not good cops—the one who shoved the many, and the rest of them for not calling for help (which they gave a duty to do) and the rest for walking on by leaving him to lay there—and it looked like he was bleed from the back of the head.
Show me just one good police officer there...just one.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 5, 2020 10:30:26 GMT
I wrote this three times and chickened about posting it. Then decided to go ahead as we need to be open and honest here about how we feel. I know I am going to be lambasted and labeled with ugly words, but please look at the video with an open mind, think of the policeman in question as a son or brother and watch again. You would find excuses for him then just like you are now finding fault with him now because he is a policeman. I hate that this happened and it is a rough world out there. Yes they were rough with the gentleman, BUT if someone gets in my face to yell at me like he was, I am not apt to act peacefully. Then I saw an officer get on his mic and I hope it was to call in for help for him. There were voices saying get a medic, it might have been an officer or it might have been another protestor. I am not saying he asked for it, but what was the gentleman expecting to happen? The police line had to move forward, did he think that by getting in the way he would be able to stop it? He would not get out of the way. He was pushed, but how hard? The fact he tripped and fell could have been cause he was pushed too hard, or could have been cause he stumbled, or there might have been a crack in the pavement. I am not supporting anything I saw there, nor am I saying he asked for it, but please look again at the video and see if you can see other ways to interpret what you are seeing. The police officers first reaction was violence. The old man was out numbered at least 30-1 If this officer were my son or husband and did that, I’d be ashamed that they did. When a LEO puts on the uniform and is on duty, he is a police officer, and in absolutely no way should his behavior/actions that we saw be given a pass because he’s someone’s husband, dad, son... Police have a duty to care for or render aid equally for victims or suspects. They left that man lay there. If a police officers first reaction is violence, he shouldn’t be allowed to wear the badge.
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Jun 5, 2020 10:31:50 GMT
And what the police are saying about the incident: Buffalo Police issued a statement Thursday night saying "a 5th person was arrested during a skirmish with other protestors and also charged with disorderly conduct. During that skirmish involving protestors, one person was injured when he tripped & fell." "Tripped"? Like hell he did. They've got a nerve, with video evidence. This is all just heart-breaking.
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Post by christine58 on Jun 5, 2020 10:36:42 GMT
And what the police are saying about the incident: Buffalo Police issued a statement Thursday night saying "a 5th person was arrested during a skirmish with other protestors and also charged with disorderly conduct. During that skirmish involving protestors, one person was injured when he tripped & fell." "Tripped"? Like hell he did. They've got a nerve, with video evidence. This is all just heart-breaking. They issued another statement shortly later...both officers have been placed on unpaid leave (per their contracts) and the mayor and others have come out and expressed their total disgust at what happened.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 10:37:25 GMT
I saw another video somewhere where an elderly man was walking away from the police, and he was pushed from behind by one and fell to the ground. Was it this one from Salt Lake city a few days ago - shocking at the best of times but to push an old man walking away with the aid of a cane is beyond comprehension.
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Post by pyccku on Jun 5, 2020 11:03:05 GMT
Isn’t it weird how we keep seeing videos of police behaving violently at protests against police violence? It’s almost as if the protestors might just have a point.
Who, exactly, does this sort of behavior “protect and serve”?
I get that sometimes situations are dangerous and it’s kill or be killed. Law enforcement can be a dangerous job. But I can say that as a lowly teacher, if I had treated a student - even the most disrespectful student - the way this man was treated, I would not be returning to the classroom.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 11:12:16 GMT
This man who helped an injured San Jose policeman during George Floyd protest was later himself shot with a rubber bullet when he went to the aid of a teenager that had been shot in the head with a rubber bullet. Yet, the policeman who shot him was given a pass by his chief because" he's a good kid"!
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wellway
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Post by wellway on Jun 5, 2020 11:33:22 GMT
The problem I see with the first statement is that it was made as if it was gospel, he tripped and fell, made by officers not at the scene.
The correct response would have been, we are gathering info about reported incident and will comment when we have reviewed the info. Anyone with any further info please forward to us to include in our review.
Their first response was a control the message response. Thank goodness for cameras.
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