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Post by gar on Sept 6, 2020 9:09:42 GMT
He was incredibly eager to honor our Fallen Heroes." Incredibly eager...that seems somewhat unlikely at best.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 11:02:12 GMT
Trump claims he "called home, I spoke to my wife and I said 'I hate this. I came here to go to that ceremony.' And to the one that was the following day which I did go to. I said I feel terribly. And that was the end of it."
Facts First: Melania Trump was on the same trip with the President and was scheduled to attend the cemetery visit. She was not in the US.
A readout from the first lady's office at the time said that "Due to inclement weather, the First Lady and President were unable to visit the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery and Memorial in Belleau, France."
That evening, Trump and Melania went to a dinner together hosted by French President Emmanuel Macron.Think he needs to get his lies to stand up to scrutiny, he's digging himself into a bigger hole the more he tries to prove that he doesn't say these things that he is being accused of! LINK
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 12:58:24 GMT
Bill Kristol... ”Donald Trump Jr.: “As we drove past the rows of white grave markers [at Arlington Cemetery], in the gravity of the moment...I also thought of...all the sacrifices we’d have to make—giving up a huge chunk of our business and all international deals.”” Axios... link“Trump Jr. says Arlington Cemetery reminded him of his family's "sacrifices"
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Post by hop2 on Sept 6, 2020 13:09:37 GMT
Bill Kristol... ”Donald Trump Jr.: “As we drove past the rows of white grave markers [at Arlington Cemetery], in the gravity of the moment...I also thought of...all the sacrifices we’d have to make—giving up a huge chunk of our business and all international deals.”” Axios... link“Trump Jr. says Arlington Cemetery reminded him of his family's "sacrifices"But they haven’t, they’ve used the office of the presidency to make deals and paid their pockets. Trade marks in China, approval for buildings in Turkey...it goes on & on
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 6, 2020 13:56:45 GMT
But they haven’t, they’ve used the office of the presidency to make deals and paid their pockets. Trade marks in China, approval for buildings in Turkey...it goes on & on Wow and don't let us forget the condos etc in India! I forget all the details... Just getting too much to remember it all !
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Post by peano on Sept 6, 2020 17:16:37 GMT
Can you say where several others have backed up the claim? Thank you for the welcome, I like that. linklinkSo you obviously ignored my links. Good to know.
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Post by dizzycheermom on Sept 6, 2020 17:29:30 GMT
Six other officials in the Trump administration went on record (unlike those who made the allegations against Trump) and directly disputed their account of what happened. Four who were with the president that day. They did it despite death threats or cancel culture. I have more respect for those that stand up with their account since doing so is more credible than hiding. Hiding behind anonymity tells me you don't have enough faith in your "allegations" to be a stand up honest witness. Jordan Karem "This is not even close to being factually accurate. Plain and simple, it just never happened." "Again, this is 100% false. I was next to @potus the whole day! The President was greatly disappointed when told we couldn’t fly there. He was incredibly eager to honor our Fallen Heroes." Sarah Huckabee Sanders "The Atlantic story on @realdonaldtrump is total BS. I was actually there and one of the people part of the discussion – this never happened. I have sat in the room when our President called family members after their sons were killed in action and it was heart-wrenching… These were some of the moments I witnessed the President show his heart and demonstrate how much he respects the selfless and courageous men and women of our military. I am disgusted by this false attack. Hogan Gidley "These are disgusting, grotesque, reprehensible lies. I was there in Paris and the President never said those things. In fact, he would never even think such vile thoughts because I know from firsthand knowledge that President Trump absolutely loves, respects, and reveres the brave men and women of the United States military. He always has and always will. These weak, pathetic, cowardly background ‘sources’ do not have the courage or decency to put their names to these false accusations because they know how completely ludicrous they are. It’s sickening that they would hide in the shadows to knowingly try and hurt the morale of our great military simply for an attack on a political opponent." Dan Scavino "I was with POTUS in France, with Sarah, and have been at his side throughout it all. Complete lies by ‘anonymous sources’ that were ‘dropped’ just as he begins to campaign (and surge). A disgraceful attempt to smear POTUS, 60 days before the Presidential Election! Disgusting!!" Steven Miller "The president deeply wanted to attend the memorial event in question and was deeply displeased by the bad weather call.The next day, he spoke at Suresnes American Cemetery in the pouring rain and refused an umbrella. No one has a bigger, more loving, or more loyal heart for American veterans and fallen heroes than our president." That one debunks the accusation that he was worried about his hair. Also, FOIA documents back up the call to not LET him travel due to the weather. Lt. General Keith Kellogg "The Atlantic story is completely false. Absolutely lacks merit. I’ve been by the President’s side. He has always shown the highest respect to our active duty troops and veterans with utmost respect paid to those who have given the ultimate sacrifice and those wounded in battle." I have a question for you...not trying to be combative or anything, just trying to understand. You keep talking about honesty and credibility - yet it seems you support someone who lies multiple times on a daily basis. Just as one example - he says he didn't call McCain a loser but his own tweets and retweets show the truth. And MANY of those you just quoted are habitual liars as well. So I don't understand the double standard?
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Post by peano on Sept 6, 2020 18:29:58 GMT
Six other officials in the Trump administration went on record (unlike those who made the allegations against Trump) and directly disputed their account of what happened. Four who were with the president that day. They did it despite death threats or cancel culture. I have more respect for those that stand up with their account since doing so is more credible than hiding. Hiding behind anonymity tells me you don't have enough faith in your "allegations" to be a stand up honest witness. Jordan Karem "This is not even close to being factually accurate. Plain and simple, it just never happened." "Again, this is 100% false. I was next to @potus the whole day! The President was greatly disappointed when told we couldn’t fly there. He was incredibly eager to honor our Fallen Heroes." Sarah Huckabee Sanders "The Atlantic story on @realdonaldtrump is total BS. I was actually there and one of the people part of the discussion – this never happened. I have sat in the room when our President called family members after their sons were killed in action and it was heart-wrenching… These were some of the moments I witnessed the President show his heart and demonstrate how much he respects the selfless and courageous men and women of our military. I am disgusted by this false attack. Hogan Gidley "These are disgusting, grotesque, reprehensible lies. I was there in Paris and the President never said those things. In fact, he would never even think such vile thoughts because I know from firsthand knowledge that President Trump absolutely loves, respects, and reveres the brave men and women of the United States military. He always has and always will. These weak, pathetic, cowardly background ‘sources’ do not have the courage or decency to put their names to these false accusations because they know how completely ludicrous they are. It’s sickening that they would hide in the shadows to knowingly try and hurt the morale of our great military simply for an attack on a political opponent." Dan Scavino "I was with POTUS in France, with Sarah, and have been at his side throughout it all. Complete lies by ‘anonymous sources’ that were ‘dropped’ just as he begins to campaign (and surge). A disgraceful attempt to smear POTUS, 60 days before the Presidential Election! Disgusting!!" Steven Miller "The president deeply wanted to attend the memorial event in question and was deeply displeased by the bad weather call.The next day, he spoke at Suresnes American Cemetery in the pouring rain and refused an umbrella. No one has a bigger, more loving, or more loyal heart for American veterans and fallen heroes than our president." That one debunks the accusation that he was worried about his hair. Also, FOIA documents back up the call to not LET him travel due to the weather. Lt. General Keith Kellogg "The Atlantic story is completely false. Absolutely lacks merit. I’ve been by the President’s side. He has always shown the highest respect to our active duty troops and veterans with utmost respect paid to those who have given the ultimate sacrifice and those wounded in battle." You do not understand how journalism works.
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 6, 2020 19:34:25 GMT
FTR, sources who did not hear the comments aren't comparable to those who did. Your sources are not what I would consider credible witnesses either. I mean, if you have to go to Miller as a reliable witness, that pretty much says it all. 45 has made it clear in so many ways and in so many interactions that he simply does not have any respect for the military. I am not interested in trying to convince you. I am simply stating your case lacks credibility based on the sources quoted. Sources who weren't there can still vouch for Trump on the probability that he did not say that based on what they have seen him do and say. Those accounts back up the sources who were there that say it didn't happen. Sources who hide like cowards in the shadows aren't comparable to those who stand up in the light and say who they are when they share what they witnessed. There are many actions and interactions that show Trump does care for the military. That's okay, we don't have to convince each other. It's enough that we can show facts that we're aware of without a huge battle. Thank you.
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 6, 2020 20:38:19 GMT
So you obviously ignored my links. Good to know. I didn't ignore your links. They weren't there when I saw your post. You had just quoted with no response.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 20:47:13 GMT
Six other officials in the Trump administration went on record (unlike those who made the allegations against Trump) and directly disputed their account of what happened. Four who were with the president that day. They did it despite death threats or cancel culture. I have more respect for those that stand up with their account since doing so is more credible than hiding. Hiding behind anonymity tells me you don't have enough faith in your "allegations" to be a stand up honest witness. Steven Miller "The president deeply wanted to attend the memorial event in question and was deeply displeased by the bad weather call.The next day, he spoke at Suresnes American Cemetery in the pouring rain and refused an umbrella. No one has a bigger, more loving, or more loyal heart for American veterans and fallen heroes than our president." That one debunks the accusation that he was worried about his hair. Also, FOIA documents back up the call to not LET him travel due to the weather. Steven Miller needs to try a bit harder, his memory is playing tricks with him.
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Post by casii on Sept 6, 2020 20:54:10 GMT
It's fairly obvious by now that this story is true. It's been independently verified by multiple news agencies, even Fox. About the only ones left who haven't are Breitbart, OAN and QAnon which are all, let us be frank, conspiracy nutty fruitcake 'news' sources.
If someone chooses not to believe it, they are choosing to deny the truth. For what? What is it that Trump has done for you that you will stick by him through yet another despicable, yet predictable test of character that he has utterly failed?
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Sept 6, 2020 20:58:34 GMT
FTR, sources who did not hear the comments aren't comparable to those who did. Your sources are not what I would consider credible witnesses either. I mean, if you have to go to Miller as a reliable witness, that pretty much says it all. 45 has made it clear in so many ways and in so many interactions that he simply does not have any respect for the military. I am not interested in trying to convince you. I am simply stating your case lacks credibility based on the sources quoted. Sources who weren't there can still vouch for Trump on the probability that he did not say that based on what they have seen him do and say. Those accounts back up the sources who were there that say it didn't happen. Sources who hide like cowards in the shadows aren't comparable to those who stand up in the light and say who they are when they share what they witnessed. There are many actions and interactions that show Trump does care for the military. That's okay, we don't have to convince each other. It's enough that we can show facts that we're aware of without a huge battle. Thank you. I don't believe you understand how journalism works. I am also quite sure you don't know what the word fact means now, either. You just came to troll, and you've been outed. #sorrynotsorry
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Post by gypsymama on Sept 6, 2020 21:19:32 GMT
if the weather was soooo bad why didn't the event get cancelled?
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 6, 2020 21:24:18 GMT
if the weather was soooo bad why didn't the event get cancelled? It wasn't bad enough to cancel the event, but too bad to fly the president in. Driving wasn't an option because they had planned to fly and didn't have anything in place with local authorities soon enough for an extraction protocol to work. And you always have to have that with any president.
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 6, 2020 21:30:20 GMT
It's enough that we can... without a huge battle. Thank you. I don't believe you understand how journalism works. I am also quite sure you don't know what the word fact means now, either. You just came to troll, and you've been outed. #sorrynotsorry Now that you've used calling me a troll as proof that you are right, I see I was wrong in thinking you could talk about the issues without a huge battle. Thank you for setting me straight.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 6, 2020 21:35:25 GMT
if the weather was soooo bad why didn't the event get cancelled? It wasn't bad enough to cancel the event, but too bad to fly the president in. Driving wasn't an option because they had planned to fly and didn't have anything in place with local authorities soon enough for an extraction protocol to work. And you always have to have that with any president. The secret service ALWAYS has alternate routes and modes of transportation, ALWAYS! ALL the other leaders were able to make it, as well as Pence, did they walk?
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Post by Just T on Sept 6, 2020 21:40:21 GMT
It wasn't bad enough to cancel the event, but too bad to fly the president in. Driving wasn't an option because they had planned to fly and didn't have anything in place with local authorities soon enough for an extraction protocol to work. And you always have to have that with any president. The secret service ALWAYS has alternate routes and modes of transportation, ALWAYS!
ALL the other leaders were able to make it, as well as Pence, did they walk?Exactly. Why was Trump the only one who was prevented by the weather from making it that day?
Also, the people you quote sticking up for Trump---LOL Sarah Huckabee Sanders spent what, years, lying to cover up Trump's lies? She has literally ZERO credibility. ZERO. And Stephen Miller? Again, LOL Zero credibility there.
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 6, 2020 21:42:20 GMT
It wasn't bad enough to cancel the event, but too bad to fly the president in. Driving wasn't an option because they had planned to fly and didn't have anything in place with local authorities soon enough for an extraction protocol to work. And you always have to have that with any president. The secret service ALWAYS has alternate routes and modes of transportation, ALWAYS! ALL the other leaders were able to make it, as well as Pence, did they walk? From John Bolton, who dislikes Trump very much, "Marine One's crew was saying that bad visibility could make it imprudent to chopper to the cemetery. The ceiling was not too low for Marines to fly in combat, but flying POTUS was obviously something very different. If a motorcade were necessary, it could take between ninety and a hundred and twenty minutes each way, along roads that were not exactly freeways, posing an unacceptable risk that we could not get the President out of France quickly enough in case of an emergency. It was a straightforward decision to cancel the visit..." "The press turned canceling the cemetery visit into a story that Trump was afraid of the rain and took glee in pointing out that other world leaders traveled around during the day. Of course, none of them were the President of the United States, but the press didn't understand that rules for US Presidents are different from rules for 190 other leaders who don't command the world's greatest military forces."
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Post by Just T on Sept 6, 2020 21:46:06 GMT
From John Bolton, who dislikes Trump very much, "Marine One's crew was saying that bad visibility could make it imprudent to chopper to the cemetery," Bolton wrote. "The ceiling was not too low for Marines to fly in combat, but flying POTUS was obviously something very different. If a motorcade were necessary, it could take between ninety and a hundred and twenty minutes each way, along roads that were not exactly freeways, posing an unacceptable risk that we could not get the President out of France quickly enough in case of an emergency. It was a straightforward decision to cancel the visit..." But that still doesn't explain why every other world leader except Trump made it that day. Weren't the conditions the same for them all? Or did I miss something and others didn't make it either?
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 6, 2020 21:47:08 GMT
From John Bolton, who dislikes Trump very much, "Marine One's crew was saying that bad visibility could make it imprudent to chopper to the cemetery," Bolton wrote. "The ceiling was not too low for Marines to fly in combat, but flying POTUS was obviously something very different. If a motorcade were necessary, it could take between ninety and a hundred and twenty minutes each way, along roads that were not exactly freeways, posing an unacceptable risk that we could not get the President out of France quickly enough in case of an emergency. It was a straightforward decision to cancel the visit..." But that still doesn't explain why every other world leader except Trump made it that day. Weren't the conditions the same for them all? Or did I miss something and others didn't make it either? The part of the quote that you left off explains it.
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Post by Just T on Sept 6, 2020 21:53:47 GMT
But that still doesn't explain why every other world leader except Trump made it that day. Weren't the conditions the same for them all? Or did I miss something and others didn't make it either? The part of the quote that you left off explains it. sorry, I didn't intentionally leave anything off. I just hit quote, so I am not sure why part of it got left off. But, that is a cop out. Every other person made it there, except Trump.
Look we get it. You obviously support Trump. I don't think you are a troll, but I think you need to find another hill to die on. This is not it. I think it is very telling when even Fox news corroborates the story.
If one person were saying these things, even I as a someone who despises Trump would roll my eyes and think it was sour grapes. But when numerous sources say the same thing, and Fox News corroborates it, maybe it is time to accept that he is not what he has presented himself to be.
ETA: Pixiechick, I would also like to know if you ever saw/heard the way he talked about John McCain? If you did, why do you find it so hard to believe that Trump has said these other things he is accused of? He literally said, ON CAMERA, that he prefers heroes who have not be captured.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 6, 2020 21:58:34 GMT
As someone said earlier, If the secret service says do it, it gets done! dt did not want it to get done!
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Post by gar on Sept 6, 2020 22:08:36 GMT
"The press turned canceling the cemetery visit into a story that Trump was afraid of the rain and took glee in pointing out that other world leaders traveled around during the day. Of course, none of them were the President of the United States, but the press didn't understand that rules for US Presidents are different from rules for 190 other leaders who don't command the world's greatest military forces." Errr, why are they different exactly? (And of course that would depend on which Press you're asking.) And what has the size of their country's military forces got to do with it, in practical terms??
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 6, 2020 22:13:16 GMT
The part of the quote that you left off explains it. sorry, I didn't intentionally leave anything off. I just hit quote, so I am not sure why part of it got left off. But, that is a cop out. Every other person made it there, except Trump.
Look we get it. You obviously support Trump. I don't think you are a troll, but I think you need to find another hill to die on. This is not it. I think it is very telling when even Fox news corroborates the story.
If one person were saying these things, even I as a someone who despises Trump would roll my eyes and think it was sour grapes. But when numerous sources say the same thing, and Fox News corroborates it, maybe it is time to accept that he is not what he has presented himself to be.
ETA: Pixiechick, I would also like to know if you ever saw/heard the way he talked about John McCain? If you did, why do you find it so hard to believe that Trump has said these other things he is accused of? He literally said, ON CAMERA, that he prefers heroes who have not be captured.
Not a hill I want to die on, just presenting other facts.
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 6, 2020 23:19:42 GMT
Sources who weren't there can still vouch for Trump on the probability that he did not say that based on what they have seen him do and say. Those accounts back up the sources who were there that say it didn't happen. Sources who hide like cowards in the shadows aren't comparable to those who stand up in the light and say who they are when they share what they witnessed. There are many actions and interactions that show Trump does care for the military. That's okay, we don't have to convince each other. It's enough that we can show facts that we're aware of without a huge battle. Thank you. Sources might be afraid of retribution. In the past he has clearly taken out his revenge on anyone, even those in his administration who contradict him. Respectfully, what actions & interactions show his respect for the military? I have 2 cousins currently serving in the Navy, as well as another cousin in the State Department and a son in the Navy ROTC. Nothing this president does shows respect for the military starting with the 2016 presidential race when he disrespected John McCain (many documented sources of this) and gold star families.
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 6, 2020 23:22:38 GMT
Not a hill I want to die on, just presenting other facts. What facts? Other than 6 questionable, unreliable people in his administration who were not there at the time?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 23:24:03 GMT
sorry, I didn't intentionally leave anything off. I just hit quote, so I am not sure why part of it got left off. But, that is a cop out. Every other person made it there, except Trump.
Look we get it. You obviously support Trump. I don't think you are a troll, but I think you need to find another hill to die on. This is not it. I think it is very telling when even Fox news corroborates the story.
If one person were saying these things, even I as a someone who despises Trump would roll my eyes and think it was sour grapes. But when numerous sources say the same thing, and Fox News corroborates it, maybe it is time to accept that he is not what he has presented himself to be.
ETA: Pixiechick, I would also like to know if you ever saw/heard the way he talked about John McCain? If you did, why do you find it so hard to believe that Trump has said these other things he is accused of? He literally said, ON CAMERA, that he prefers heroes who have not be captured.
Not a hill I want to die on, just presenting other facts. What Stephen Miller said wasn't facts was it? It was a lie, he did have an umbrella. What makes you believe all the others? Unless every one of them was stuck to his side 24 hours each day while he was there they can't claim it as facts either. They can claim that they never heard him say it in their presence but they can't say for certainty that he didn't say what he is being accused of.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 6, 2020 23:56:29 GMT
"The press turned canceling the cemetery visit into a story that Trump was afraid of the rain and took glee in pointing out that other world leaders traveled around during the day. Of course, none of them were the President of the United States, but the press didn't understand that rules for US Presidents are different from rules for 190 other leaders who don't command the world's greatest military forces." This is what you think was left out. It means nothing. The United States of American and its Secret Service can accomplish anything! Bolton was NOT in charge. With travel, the Secret Service is in charge! The president did not want to go. Had he said I will go, they would have gotten him there! The Secret Service is the EXPERTS! You forget that trump himself has lies about the whole thing. He has repeatedly stated that HE CALLED HOME AND SPOKE TO HIS WIFE ABOUT HIS DISAPPOINTMENT. His wife was at his side there in France, he did NOT have to call HOME to speak to her! Please research and get facts right and it is useless to repeat the SAME two paragraphs over and over again!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 7, 2020 0:07:44 GMT
What Stephen Miller said wasn't facts was it? It was a lie, he did have an umbrella. What makes you believe all the others? I would NOT trust Stephen Miller for the time of day even if he said I was reading a clock at that exact minute! dt did in fact have an umbrella, standing behind a tree I might add, and he proceeded to walk out with others! SHS is KNOWN liar. It seems she was not terribly upset when KJU made goo eyes at her.. while dt, her boss, suggested she might go with him....... YUCK!! Dan Scavino just recently posted a disgusting cartoon on twitter(I think) that ha been removed?
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