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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 13, 2020 21:18:59 GMT
It’s hard for sure.
I’ve come to value those relationships where their morals and values are for the common good, and are not based on hate and racists.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 13, 2020 21:20:40 GMT
Ok damage control. Can you just agree to not talk politics? I am good friends with a Trump supporter and we have plenty to talk about other than Trump. We talk: kids Makeup Peas Work Dinner Hair Hormones Face treatments Acne Exercise Diet Shoes Socks Travel Clothes Can you find something in that list and AGREE TO CALMLY DISAGREE? This is the kid’s godmum. Cool off and call her in a week. The thing is most of us do have a moral code where we do draw a line in the sand. It may be for one thing for someone and something else for another, but you most likely have one as well. There is some line that you just won't cross with those you associate with. I'm fairly certain the line is not whether a person leans progressive or leans conservative, or calls themselves a republican or a democrat. Those are just differences in opinion. You treat those sorts of things with tolerance and grace. We have something more significant than that going on right now and it is causing many painful separations. It is heartbreaking. Exactly! Why waste (more) time with people who are hell bent on supporting a racist, misogynistic, hateful person and administration???
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 13, 2020 21:21:48 GMT
You will have white male and female grandchildren god willing. Sorry, I know this was coming from a text NOT the pea that got quoted! Anyway, that would be the end right there. She would not remain my friend even if she said she was voting for Biden. That right there is more than politics!
^^THIS^^ The Trumpie/Qanon crap is separate from longstanding Republican or conservative beliefs. This is more of the party of Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh and other moronic, insane people. It's VERY hard to gloss over it or to try to figure out how our friends and relatives went down this path. I'd feel the same way if friends or relatives stumbled into Scientology, but this is far worse. This is dangerous and I wish it would end. Yes! I even looked at a Facebook page by a group in Utah to see what I was missing. I went in thinking how do they come to the conclusion that you are a sheeple for wearing a mask? There is so much more than that! The owner of the Facebook page said MLK Jr had bad moral values. Another woman said the reason MLK Jr, the nazis, and Malcolm X were killed is because they bought into communism. It's so damn messed up.
I have been shocked and kind of not shocked depending on the people who are still active in the LDS church. There are members who are openly defiant and speak out against wearing masks when they asked members to be courteous and do so. I know one young woman whose MIL deleted her off of Facebook and then contacted all of her family members and told them to not interact with her anymore. Why? because she shared that press release.
Even worse, the young woman got covid and is considered high risk. They thought she was overreacting, lying, and it was probably just the flu. Covid tests are lies and you can't trust what they say.
Sorry for the long rant lauradrumm , I completely understand. I was told by a younger family member that athletes refusing to play because of black lives matter is a political stunt. While at the same time, he posts about how Trump supports the military by showing a photo of trump at some cemetery or some military ceremony. That is a political stunt because of the words that have come out of Trump's mouth. I can never look at that person the same way again.
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 13, 2020 22:23:38 GMT
I will never understand how you can cut off a relationship over politics. IMO it is very immature. I will never understand how you've read this thread and claim not to understand.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 13, 2020 22:46:17 GMT
I can’t begin to count the number of people I’ve had to cut off because they were silent during the 2016 elections or when it become very clear America had a problem prosecuting LEO who kill Black people. Life long friendships gone. The troubling part was coming to terms with the fact they were never my friends to begin with. My twopeas experience kind of got conflated with my real life realization that white women aren’t the friends I thought they were. While tough you will certainly come out on the other side a much better person for it. It’s perfectly normal to want to be surrounded by people who have views that align with your own. My current circle is full of women who I can now talk to about anything. No pacifying. No mincing words. No one making it all about them. There is something to be said about like minds 🤷🏾♀️ Even before the pandemic this issue was life or death for me so anyone who supports 45 or aligns with conservative views....dead to me. I think people forget there is a right and wrong to this shit. None of this is an agreed to disagree type of thing. James Baldwin: “People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster.” 100% I refuse to share my life anymore with those who support trump. It’s not about being republican—trump is fucking over this country, turning it in into a racist, hateful place and ANY vote for him is support for all his hate.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 13, 2020 22:47:38 GMT
So, she just suddenly became this way after knowing her for 33 years? You had no clue? Just curious. Most of the Trump supporters I know have always been that way and I’ve steered clear as much as possible. For myself, yes. We all knew she was GOP. That's never been an issue. But being GOP and Trumper are 2 very different things. It's the latter that was new and became abhorrent. She probably always thought the way she does now honestly, but Trump made it OK for her to "come out" if you will. Yes!!! This 100%
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 13, 2020 22:50:55 GMT
I will never understand how you can cut off a relationship over politics. IMO it is very immature. Show me what you love...and I’ll show you what you are...
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Post by shessoaverage on Sept 13, 2020 22:53:10 GMT
I so understand. My best friend of nearly 50 years has dropped out of my life because I don't worship Trump. We were kids together. I literally loved her like a sister. We are very different people, but have supported each other through many, many tough times in life. Our mothers died within months of each other when we were 30. When her husband died from cancer several years later, I drove up stayed with her for more than a week and supported her for as long as she needed support. I've emptied her drains after surgery and replaces SteriStrips on her coochie. I love her daughter like a niece. When she opened a business, I spent countless hours helping her do whatever she needed, working events, etc., for free (of course) because I got to hang out with her and her success made me happy. I'd never, ever imagined a world where we weren't friends.
Then came the 2016 election. She and her (now adult) daughter were both vocally pro-Trump. When he won the election, I had a conversation with myself and decided that a political candidate wasn't going to destroy my long, long friendship. No way. We could just talk about other stuff, like we always had. But then... She started being cool toward me. We went on a girl's weekend at the beach with a bunch of people. She started hanging out with a fellow Trumpian. I walked into the room where they were and my friend said (about me) "She's a Hillary lover. She doesn't like OUR Trump." It just went downhill from there. She stopped coming to a monthly dinner with me and two other people (also not fans of Trump). Finally, she went off on me about some insignificant thing and that was it. I might as well have been dead. She's always putting pics of herself with her "dear" Trump-loving friend on Facebook. I guess I'm pain-shopping by not unfollowing her.
My DH says it reminds him of a bad marriage (he should know, since we had one for quite a few years until we wised up and fixed it). I just know that being dumped by a close friend because of Trump has been really, really painful, but I guess it's common nowadays.
ETA I know she's a good person inside, which is why I hung on so long. Maybe she's not, anymore.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 13, 2020 22:56:48 GMT
We have to let people be who they are going to be and love them anyway. We can’t give Trump and the media power to bring pain and suffering to our lives, to our friends, to our families. Trump’s not here. The media isn’t here. Let’s turn off the TV and live our lives how we want to live them. We can’t let them destroy our relationships. We have to love each other despite the differences. In our differences there is power. We can’t all be the same. We can’t all think the same. We don’t want a world where everyone is similar and group thinks. Let’s let politics go when it comes to relationships.These vultures are only after our money and they will do and say anything to get it. They don’t care if we suffer pain or deception or heartache. We have to be able to turn the knob off and do what’s best for us. Screw them. So then, what are we to do or say when politics affects us financially, emotionally, mentally, physically and need to rally support for change? Everything is intertwined. Pretend it doesn’t exist? We allow children with parents who are openly racist and hateful to spend him with our children? How do we reconciled that! How do we effectively get along if we sweep IG under the rug or pretend that there us not an elephant in the room?
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Post by pierkiss on Sept 13, 2020 23:03:32 GMT
So, she just suddenly became this way after knowing her for 33 years? You had no clue? Just curious. Most of the Trump supporters I know have always been that way and I’ve steered clear as much as possible. Yes. Some people in our circles have shocked the hell out of us with their beliefs and complete adoration for trump and EVERYTHING he is doing. Most people don’t go running around screaming “I hate black people! I hate Mexicans! I want their lives completely ripped apart because they came to this country and I don’t want them here!” They have hidden those beliefs really really well up until now. Honestly if it wasn’t for Facebook I robably wouldn’t know how some of my friends really feel. They NEVER express these things in person. But then I go to their page, and every other post is some awfully racist meme. Why else would you post it on your own page if you didn’t believe it?
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Post by lauradrumm on Sept 14, 2020 0:37:46 GMT
Shessoaverage I’m sorry you went through that. It feels like the twilight zone and not one of the good episodes
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Post by Merge on Sept 14, 2020 1:19:48 GMT
So, she just suddenly became this way after knowing her for 33 years? You had no clue? Just curious. Most of the Trump supporters I know have always been that way and I’ve steered clear as much as possible. Yes. Some people in our circles have shocked the hell out of us with their beliefs and complete adoration for trump and EVERYTHING he is doing. Most people don’t go running around screaming “I hate black people! I hate Mexicans! I want their lives completely ripped apart because they came to this country and I don’t want them here!” They have hidden those beliefs really really well up until now. Honestly if it wasn’t for Facebook I robably wouldn’t know how some of my friends really feel. They NEVER express these things in person. But then I go to their page, and every other post is some awfully racist meme. Why else would you post it on your own page if you didn’t believe it? I think some of it has to do with the fact that we now see certain beliefs and behaviors as racist when they were not necessarily seen that way before. The thread about places to live or not live in Dallas set my teeth on edge. Quite often, when people talk about "undesirable" parts of town, what they mean is that the people there are poor, usually brown or black, and suffer from high levels of crime because people lack resources. I don't know the particular area of Dallas they were talking about, but having lived safely for the past 23 years in parts of Houston often described as "scary" by people in the suburbs, I find myself rolling my eyes. People send their kids to "better" schools in the suburbs, but what they really mean is that the families there are mostly white and have more resources. They subscribe to the "bootstraps" mentality without recognizing that our economic system is set up to benefit the already rich at the expense of the poor, and have no problem benefitting from the labor of undocumented immigrants, but pontificate that "those people" should come here legally without recognizing that for most, no realistic legal avenue exists. They roll their eyes and tell people to speak English if they want to live here. They deny the existence of white privilege and systemic racism. They insist that their confederate flag is "heritage." Twenty years ago, to be honest, these were pretty mainstream views in both political parties. We see them now as racist, but some people are unwilling to learn and change their views based on a better understanding and more information. We also have a lot more open conversations about race and racism, and people have a wide forum on social media, where in the past people didn't talk about politics or race, or if they did, it was a very small conversation among people likely to share their views. So yeah, it's possible to have known someone for decades and only realize in the past few years or so that their views haven't progressed at all. They might have outed themselves during the Obama administration with birtherism or comments about an ape in heels, or they might not have really emerged until Trump came on the scene and started re-tweeting white supremacists and calling them "very fine people," and made it perfectly OK to refer to poor brown immigrants as rapists and murderers. He made it feel OK for those people who had perhaps started to feel uncomfortable about expressing their racist views to do so, loud and proud. And so we now know who those people are for real.
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Post by Kath on Sept 14, 2020 1:34:53 GMT
My post copied multiple times over was written in response to the OPs first post that she cut her friend off due to “Trump support.“ Upon posting, I read further and discovered the OP had posted again and said that her friend had come out as a racist, and upon reading that post, I posted that was a completely different thing and I too would cut her off and told a personal story supporting her.
I realize that some people would equate a Trump supporter to a racist automatically and cut them off immediately. I am never really willing to go that far but try to give most people the benefit of the doubt that they are maybe wealthy and don’t want to be taxed more or they don’t really follow politics at all but live in a red state and go along with the majority. There are a myriad of reasons one might be a Trump supporter that may have nothing to do with racism. I’m sure though there are some people on this board that might argue with that premise, and I respect that.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 14, 2020 2:07:11 GMT
My post copied multiple times over was written in response to the OPs first post that she cut her friend off due to “Trump support.“ Upon posting, I read further and discovered the OP had posted again and said that her friend had come out as a racist, and upon reading that post, I posted that was a completely different thing and I too would cut her off and told a personal story supporting her. I realize that some people would equate a Trump supporter to a racist automatically and cut them off immediately. I am never really willing to go that far but try to give most people the benefit of the doubt that they are maybe wealthy and don’t want to be taxed more or they don’t really follow politics at all but live in a red state and go along with the majority. There are a myriad of reasons one might be a Trump supporter that may have nothing to do with racism. I’m sure though there are some people on this board that might argue with that premise, and I respect that. (bold mine) And there are a myriad of reasons to oppose Donald Trump. He’s not “just” racist. He’s also damaged, dishonest, intentionally divisive, undereducated and underinformed, unwilling to learn, rude, presumptive, belligerent, dismissive, rage-ie, pathologically needy, narcissistic, selfish, arrogant, dangerously self-absorbed (and just plain dangerous), inappropriate, incivil, erratic, vengeful, threatening, provocative, pandering, nepotic, sexist, intolerant, xenophobic, scornful of rules, contemptuous of laws, destructive, money-hungry and, you know, criminal. (And those were just the things I thought of in the time it took to type...) If someone hasn’t noticed even JUST ONE of these wholly-disqualifying-for-a-president characteristics because they want lower taxes or don’t pay attention to politics or parrot what everybody they know thinks, then what the hell else in life will they willfully ignore or not learn?
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Post by Kath on Sept 14, 2020 2:33:13 GMT
You’re preaching to the choir. I agree with you. I don’t know why people don’t think much or go off on one issue reasons to support Trump. I’ve given up trying to figure out why the thinking is superficial and lacks depth. But do I think they’re all racist because they lack depth of thought or have a lack of attention going on to the outside world? I don’t know. It seems a leap of logic to go that far.
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Post by Sarah*H on Sept 14, 2020 2:48:51 GMT
You’re preaching to the choir. I agree with you. I don’t know why people don’t think much or go off on one issue reasons to support Trump. I’ve given up trying to figure out why the thinking is superficial and lacks depth. But do I think they’re all racist because they lack depth of thought or have a lack of attention going on to the outside world? I don’t know. It seems a leap of logic to go that far. Given his own words and actions, how do you not get there? At best they are willing to ignore it. And what does that really mean? At best they are willing to ignore that he elevates the primacy of white skin. How can we excuse ignoring that for personal motive as anything other than complicit racism?
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Post by cycworker on Sept 14, 2020 2:57:54 GMT
Ok damage control. Can you just agree to not talk politics? I am good friends with a Trump supporter and we have plenty to talk about other than Trump. We talk: kids Makeup Peas Work Dinner Hair Hormones Face treatments Acne Exercise Diet Shoes Socks Travel Clothes Can you find something in that list and AGREE TO CALMLY DISAGREE? This is the kid’s godmum. Cool off and call her in a week. When the disagreement is just politics, that's one thing. I have a number of friends who differ from me politically. But we still have shared values. We recognize the same problems. We want to get to the same place in terms of a solution. We simply disagree as to the best way to achieve our goals A disagreement with a Trump supporter is different. If you support Trump at this point, you are either a white supremacist,l or you're willing to look past the white supremacy for your own economic good. So no. She can't just agree to not talk politics.
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Post by Kath on Sept 14, 2020 2:59:12 GMT
I’ve heard a lot of them say the media is just making that up or the democrats have done much worse and they’re all just a bunch of hypocrites. Or they all just want to take our guns away and they’re making up lies.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 14, 2020 3:01:02 GMT
My post copied multiple times over was written in response to the OPs first post that she cut her friend off due to “Trump support.“ Upon posting, I read further and discovered the OP had posted again and said that her friend had come out as a racist, and upon reading that post, I posted that was a completely different thing and I too would cut her off and told a personal story supporting her. I realize that some people would equate a Trump supporter to a racist automatically and cut them off immediately. I am never really willing to go that far but try to give most people the benefit of the doubt that they are maybe wealthy and don’t want to be taxed more or they don’t really follow politics at all but live in a red state and go along with the majority. There are a myriad of reasons one might be a Trump supporter that may have nothing to do with racism. I’m sure though there are some people on this board that might argue with that premise, and I respect that. (bold mine) And there are a myriad of reasons to oppose Donald Trump. He’s not “just” racist. He’s also damaged, dishonest, intentionally divisive, undereducated and underinformed, unwilling to learn, rude, presumptive, belligerent, dismissive, rage-ie, pathologically needy, narcissistic, selfish, arrogant, dangerously self-absorbed (and just plain dangerous), inappropriate, incivil, erratic, vengeful, threatening, provocative, pandering, nepotic, sexist, intolerant, xenophobic, scornful of rules, contemptuous of laws, destructive, money-hungry and, you know, criminal. (And those were just the things I thought of in the time it took to type...) If someone hasn’t noticed even JUST ONE of these wholly-disqualifying-for-a-president characteristics because they want lower taxes or don’t pay attention to politics or parrot what everybody they know thinks, then what the hell else in life will they willfully ignore or not learn? In a nutshell he causes chaos to the whole country while trying to appease the needs of only himself. If his needs and agenda align with yours at any given moment, don't get comfortable. Just like the weather in the midwest, it's prone to change by the minute to suit and enrich him and him only.
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Post by cycworker on Sept 14, 2020 3:03:53 GMT
You said this much more eloquently than I did. I just lost a BFF recently because she threw away my clothes. I have only been friends with her for 5 years. This is 30 years and politics and COVID have brought out the worst in so many people. I am coming from a good place. Again... I know you mean well. It isn't just politics, though. It's morality. If you don't live in the USA or have people who do, who are directly impacted by it, it's hard to understand. I have friends who are very much impacted by the increase in racism & and intolerance. Trump is evil.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Sept 14, 2020 3:05:15 GMT
Ok damage control. Can you just agree to not talk politics? I am good friends with a Trump supporter and we have plenty to talk about other than Trump. We talk: kids Makeup Peas Work Dinner Hair Hormones Face treatments Acne Exercise Diet Shoes Socks Travel Clothes Can you find something in that list and AGREE TO CALMLY DISAGREE? This is the kid’s godmum. Cool off and call her in a week. When the disagreement is just politics, that's one thing. I have a number of friends who differ from me politically. But we still have shared values. We recognize the same problems. We want to get to the same place in terms of a solution. We simply disagree as to the best way to achieve our goals A disagreement with a Trump supporter is different. If you support Trump at this point, you are either a white supremacist,l or you're willing to look past the white supremacy for your own economic good. So no. She can't just agree to not talk politics. Then I’d be done, too. I think some people just can’t help it.
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Post by Kath on Sept 14, 2020 3:12:52 GMT
You’re preaching to the choir. I agree with you. I don’t know why people don’t think much or go off on one issue reasons to support Trump. I’ve given up trying to figure out why the thinking is superficial and lacks depth. But do I think they’re all racist because they lack depth of thought or have a lack of attention going on to the outside world? I don’t know. It seems a leap of logic to go that far. Given his own words and actions, how do you not get there? At best they are willing to ignore it. And what does that really mean? At best they are willing to ignore that he elevates the primacy of white skin. How can we excuse ignoring that for personal motive as anything other than complicit racism? To add, they don’t believe he is racist, he never said those things, he doesn’t think those things, it’s all lies, and they aren’t racists either. Or all people are racists, I’ve heard that one too. Everyone is a racist. The democrats are lying to gain power. Nancy Pelosi just wants in the White House. Perception is reality.
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Post by 950nancy on Sept 14, 2020 3:22:11 GMT
I try to watch Fox when big things happen so I can understand what my Trump friends are hearing. The other day while Bob Woodward's tapes came out, I listened to Dobbs talk about what a great day it was for the President because he was nominated twice for a Noble Peace Prize. I remember when Manafort was being indicted, Fox ran a 10 minute piece on the new emojis. When you limit yourself to one station, you can easily become sucked into what one side wants you to believe. I watched a former student of mine argue with a friend of his about the value of masks on FB. The friend was presenting facts and compassion and my previous student wasn't listening. He was repeating the stuff I have heard over and over on Fox. He just said his facts were different and they could agree to disagree. Hahahahahha. Such a weird time.
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Post by tincin on Sept 14, 2020 3:23:02 GMT
She actually asked me why I hate myself and white men so much😳. See her text: There inlies the problem. What is your end game? What do we have to do? All white people die or only those who wont raise their fists in black solidarity. Why do you hate white men so much? You are married to a white male who comes from a "rich" family and you have a white son. You have a white daughter married to a white ultra rich guy. You will have white male and female grandchildren god willing. Should they be cancelled or lose their place because of the color of their skin? You are worried about your business being closed now....go ahead and give it away to someone more deserving of you. I am not apologizing for being white. What matters to me is that I am a good person. I think you believe everything you read as fact, because they say it is fact checked. But alot of it is circular fact checking. Just Vote your heart and I will Vote my heart. As I said the other day, one of us will be on the right side of history. Wow. She sounds like a true minion.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Sept 14, 2020 3:39:22 GMT
So, she just suddenly became this way after knowing her for 33 years? You had no clue? Just curious. Most of the Trump supporters I know have always been that way and I’ve steered clear as much as possible. I know people who were your standard Republicans or libertarians who seemed to have pivoted into crazy-land - believing Qanon crap and viewing Trump as their personal savior. I don't understand it. I don't understand what they are looking for because their connection with reality in believing that Tom Hanks is running a cabal of pedophiles is tenuous at best. THIS! I could not believe it when I read the stuff being said about Tom Hanks. No indiction of this anywhere about the guy but that Q crap.
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Post by Kath on Sept 14, 2020 3:47:24 GMT
You know the one role I will never respect? The person who shudders and looks away, drives off and does absolutely nothing. Just drives on because they don't want to think about it. Same thing with adults taking the initiative to be informed citizens. You don't get a pass when you willfully choose to stay oblivious. Great post. But I have to ask, what are we going to do to the people that do shudder and drive by? Are we going to lock them up? Put half of the country in prison for crimes against morality? Give everyone a psych test and see if they have any views that conflict with thinking and doing the right thing? Are we going to hate them with a passion that eats at our souls? Maybe cut off everyone we know that is a “complicit racist,” our families, our friends, anyone who doesn’t think like us? How can we make everyone think like us, make everyone think and do only good moral things? Scream at them until we die? What’s the goal here?
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Post by Kath on Sept 14, 2020 4:25:40 GMT
Sorry, I fixed it. Didn’t take enough code out.
What if they don’t explicitly endorse racism though and are Trump supporters for whatever unknown reason? What about those people?
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Post by flanz on Sept 14, 2020 4:33:01 GMT
I will never understand why it is so hard for people to see that it is not “just” politics. Privilege. Yes, but many of us with acknowledged privilege see the injustice and want to challenge/fix it.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Sept 14, 2020 5:09:16 GMT
To the OP, I'm sorry. I think many of us have been there. We understand it's not just "politics" - it's morals and basic human decency. Life is too short to have toxic people in your life. Plus, you can keep that Soros ANTIFA check all for yourself.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 14, 2020 10:19:01 GMT
Given his own words and actions, how do you not get there? At best they are willing to ignore it. And what does that really mean? At best they are willing to ignore that he elevates the primacy of white skin. How can we excuse ignoring that for personal motive as anything other than complicit racism? To add, they don’t believe he is racist, he never said those things, he doesn’t think those things, it’s all lies, and they aren’t racists either. Or all people are racists, I’ve heard that one too. Everyone is a racist. The democrats are lying to gain power. Nancy Pelosi just wants in the White House. Perception is reality. I frequently listen to conservative talk shows to find out their talking points (it fascinates me that they are so disciplined about being on message) and these are all things that they have said. They don’t take criticism against him seriously. I think that the overriding reason they support him is their perception that he feels the same way about “elites” as they do. Of course there are many other reasons that people support him, but what is most interesting to me is that many of them are not persuadable. No matter what he does, no matter what he says, no matter how he negatively impacts their lives, their support is absolute. Keep in mind that conservative media gives them a completely different slant on the news. It’s jaw-dropping.
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