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Post by Merge on Sept 14, 2020 19:50:28 GMT
It sounds to me like the general view on this thread is that everyone who supports Trump is a racist whether they know it or not, either overt or complicit. Would you say this is an accurate summation? Can someone be a Trump supporter and not be a racist? Yes. Those posting on political threads here are mostly, if not all, democrats who are intolerant of anyone who thinks/believes differently than them. Nope, just intolerant of people who support a racist, xenophobic, misogynist president. Are you tolerant of neo-Nazis and fascists? I’m sure you don’t think you are. But they’re just people who don’t think like you, right?
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Post by lauradrumm on Sept 14, 2020 19:54:05 GMT
It sounds to me like the general view on this thread is that everyone who supports Trump is a racist whether they know it or not, either overt or complicit. Would you say this is an accurate summation? Can someone be a Trump supporter and not be a racist? Yes. Those posting on political threads here are mostly, if not all, democrats who are intolerant of anyone who thinks/believes differently than them. I don’t think that’s a fair statement. It’s been said multiple times that Trump is a very different situation and not the usual political issues differences. Plus he’s either mentally ill, stupid or both.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 14, 2020 20:05:01 GMT
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Post by Mel on Sept 14, 2020 20:59:53 GMT
I will never understand how you can cut off a relationship over politics. IMO it is very immature. I can. Like others said, people are showing their morals and what they value. They are choosing to be represented by a hateful spiteful man. I am so disappointed when I find that someone I know is a Trump supporter. So disappointed, and the respect for that person is lost. I’d rather surround myself with empathetic caring people. I’ve cut off friendships before (prior to Trump). It’s not hard. Not for me. Exactly this.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 14, 2020 21:54:25 GMT
Thank you for this article - I think this quote is a perfect reflection of what I've seen time and time again as people break their arm patting themselves on the back for reading this book:
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 14, 2020 22:15:05 GMT
I think that people need to rethink their definition of racism. Have you read "White Fragility"? The author talks about how the definition of racism has changed over the years (among other things). I haven’t read it. Thanks, I will check it out. ETA: Ordered off Amazon just now, looks interesting. It’s an excellent read.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 14, 2020 22:17:06 GMT
It sounds to me like the general view on this thread is that everyone who supports Trump is a racist whether they know it or not, either overt or complicit. Would you say this is an accurate summation? Can someone be a Trump supporter and not be a racist? I’ve stopped short of calling people outright racists. The big point I make is that a vote for trump is a vote for his racist, hateful policies—one doesn’t get to pick and choose, and if you’re casting a vote for trump you are A-okaying whatever he does.
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Post by pierogi on Sept 14, 2020 22:20:01 GMT
Yes. Those posting on political threads here are mostly, if not all, democrats who are intolerant of anyone who thinks/believes differently than them. Nope, just intolerant of people who support a racist, xenophobic, misogynist president. Are you tolerant of neo-Nazis and fascists? I’m sure you don’t think you are. But they’re just people who don’t think like you, right?Given what the Trumpsters have been saying over on their Li'l White Power thread, I would not assume this at all.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 14, 2020 22:37:58 GMT
I haven’t read it. Thanks, I will check it out. ETA: Ordered off Amazon just now, looks interesting. I started reading it also but have run into some interesting critical views, many from POC, that shed some interesting light Can you share more about this? I’m curious because at the height of the protests, this book was one that was highly recommended—by people of various races. But now it is not? There were some parts of the book that really resonated with me and some that didn’t (particularly the part about white women’s tears) but overall I thought it was good.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 14, 2020 22:38:54 GMT
It sounds to me like the general view on this thread is that everyone who supports Trump is a racist whether they know it or not, either overt or complicit. Would you say this is an accurate summation? Can someone be a Trump supporter and not be a racist? Yes. Those posting on political threads here are mostly, if not all, democrats who are intolerant of anyone who thinks/believes differently than them. We are intolerant of racism, discrimination, and so on. Basically everything that Trump is. Obviously those who support him support that.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 14, 2020 22:48:00 GMT
Thank you for this article - I think this quote is a perfect reflection of what I've seen time and time again as people break their arm patting themselves on the back for reading this book: I don’t think that is a fair statement. Have you read the book? A few months ago I posted about my book club discussing this book. Nobody on that thread said anything negative about the book. During our book club discussion, most people were able to share insight that they have gained by reading the book as well as recent events. There were a few who got hung up on certain parts of the book and didn’t seem to be able to reflect on their own “stuff” that was a little frustrating but overall it was a good discussion. We all felt like there should be a follow up on what to do to stop racism and we also thought about how to reach people who aren’t even open to reading the book or hearing about other people’s experiences. I felt like in some parts it seemed hopeless since she was saying that all white people are inherently racist but am glad I read it. And when I brought it up, I didn’t say it as if I know everything (although I do think there are people that do that regardless of whether or not it is related to this book. I brought it up because it was one of the takeaways from the book and I think it is good for people to read it.
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Post by lauradrumm on Sept 14, 2020 23:02:15 GMT
Yes. Those posting on political threads here are mostly, if not all, democrats who are intolerant of anyone who thinks/believes differently than them. We are intolerant of racism, discrimination, and so on. Basically everything that Trump is. Obviously those who support him support that. Not to mention the huge threat to democracy!
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 15, 2020 2:19:20 GMT
(bold mine) And there are a myriad of reasons to oppose Donald Trump. He’s not “just” racist. He’s also damaged, dishonest, intentionally divisive, undereducated and underinformed, unwilling to learn, rude, presumptive, belligerent, dismissive, rage-ie, pathologically needy, narcissistic, selfish, arrogant, dangerously self-absorbed (and just plain dangerous), inappropriate, incivil, erratic, vengeful, threatening, provocative, pandering, nepotic, sexist, intolerant, xenophobic, scornful of rules, contemptuous of laws, destructive, money-hungry and, you know, criminal. (And those were just the things I thought of in the time it took to type...) If someone hasn’t noticed even JUST ONE of these wholly-disqualifying-for-a-president characteristics because they want lower taxes or don’t pay attention to politics or parrot what everybody they know thinks, then what the hell else in life will they willfully ignore or not learn? My favorite sign at the women's march me and my daughter attended. Heh. Would that my posts were as pithy as that sign.
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Post by Kath on Sept 15, 2020 2:27:14 GMT
I read quite fast and would like to read more on this subject. I’ve ordered White Fragility. Olan posted some links above that looked quite interesting. Does anyone have any other book recommendations on this topic other than White Fragility that they liked?
I’ve learned a lot from this thread. Thanks to everyone for explaining their points of view. I have a lot to think about.
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Post by Olan on Sept 15, 2020 2:44:56 GMT
Layla Saad Me and White Supremacy Ibram Kendi is a man but I’m struggling to think of the names of women right now Ummm Dr. Blay known as Feminista Jones on Instagram...very much a black space but informative. I feel like she wrote a book A Guide for White Women Who Teach Black Boys by Eddie Moore Jr. for teacher peas So You Want to Talk About Race by Ijeoma Oluo(sp) Between The World & Me Ta-Nehisi Coates Bookmarked to read but haven’t it sounds relevant to this post I will share now so as not to bump an old albeit relevant thread with the link later: www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/white-antiracist-allyship-book-clubs/2020/06/11/9edcc766-abf5-11ea-94d2-d7bc43b26bf9_story.html?outputType=ampEasiest way to stay up to date on anti racist reading list would be to add Mahogany Books to your Insta feed. It’s a book store in DC.
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Post by sassyangel on Sept 15, 2020 3:03:16 GMT
I read quite fast and would like to read more on this subject. I’ve ordered White Fragility. Olan posted some links above that looked quite interesting. Does anyone have any other book recommendations on this topic other than White Fragility that they liked? I’ve learned a lot from this thread. Thanks to everyone for explaining their points of view. I have a lot to think about. I’ve personally enjoyed this one. It’s also confronting and I’d probably read it after white fragility. It’s not really enough to be *not* racist, but the goal is to be actively anti-racist.
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Thanks, Olan and SassyAngel.
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Post by bothmykidsrbrats on Sept 15, 2020 3:09:41 GMT
I'm so sorry. We've lost some family and close friends as well. I will never understand how I didn't know how much hate these people had in their hearts, and the joy they received from the pain and suffering of others, especially those they feel are beneath them. {Hugs}
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Post by sassyangel on Sept 15, 2020 3:12:00 GMT
Thank you for this article - I think this quote is a perfect reflection of what I've seen time and time again as people break their arm patting themselves on the back for reading this book: I personally, didn’t find that an easy book to read, at all. It was tough, as it should be. I actually felt a bit worse about myself after it, because it bought to my attention things I hadn’t even thought about and reinforced my privilege, when I’d prided myself previously on being 100% aware of it. I wasn’t.
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Post by Olan on Sept 15, 2020 3:25:51 GMT
I think it’s also helpful to ask yourself questions like:
What moment in history looks very much like today? Why?
What position of power do I have? How can I flex it for the greater good?
Is my activism performative? Am I taking credit for work I haven’t actually done?
Am I white-splaining? Framing myself the savior? Am I too loud in a space meant for Black folks?
Professional Peas:
Am I forcing Black co-workers to “speak their truth” when I know how office politics go?
Implicit bias...how would that look for me? What could I put in place so I catch myself.
Religious peas:
What is my responsibility as a Christian? Anti racist work is kingdom work so how do I rally my congregation to jump into action?
Did we say sorry to the Black people we excluded?
If we do mission work in Africa why aren’t we called to action by the violation of human rights Black citizens face here in the U.S.?
Read the story of Nehemiah. Essentially a Guidebook for what you should be doing or no?
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 15, 2020 3:48:37 GMT
Thank you for this article - I think this quote is a perfect reflection of what I've seen time and time again as people break their arm patting themselves on the back for reading this book: I don’t think that is a fair statement. Have you read the book? A few months ago I posted about my book club discussing this book. Nobody on that thread said anything negative about the book. During our book club discussion, most people were able to share insight that they have gained by reading the book as well as recent events. There were a few who got hung up on certain parts of the book and didn’t seem to be able to reflect on their own “stuff” that was a little frustrating but overall it was a good discussion. We all felt like there should be a follow up on what to do to stop racism and we also thought about how to reach people who aren’t even open to reading the book or hearing about other people’s experiences. I felt like in some parts it seemed hopeless since she was saying that all white people are inherently racist but am glad I read it. And when I brought it up, I didn’t say it as if I know everything (although I do think there are people that do that regardless of whether or not it is related to this book. I brought it up because it was one of the takeaways from the book and I think it is good for people to read it. I have read it, and my comment is not a reflection the quality of the book, it's a reflection too many women who seem to think that reading the book is a huge accomplishment and whenever the subject of race comes up they refer to it.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 15, 2020 3:54:05 GMT
It sounds to me like the general view on this thread is that everyone who supports Trump is a racist whether they know it or not, either overt or complicit. Would you say this is an accurate summation? Can someone be a Trump supporter and not be a racist? Yes. Those posting on political threads here are mostly, if not all, democrats who are intolerant of anyone who thinks/believes differently than them. Sorry hun, but nope. You can believe and think what you want, but in reality, what Democrats are intolerant of is all the lying and gaslighting that trumpateers, Republicans/conservatives, trump, his administration are putting out. If you’re one of the ones lying, posting lies, or information that is not based in fact—then you can bet your last dollar that it will be called out. Democrats are calling out trumps racist, hateful policies, his epic lies, the gaslighting. He’s a danger to the health and well being if every person on the planet. I can deal with a real republican, but the trumpster party is destroying and dividing America.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 15, 2020 4:13:06 GMT
I read quite fast and would like to read more on this subject. I’ve ordered White Fragility. Olan posted some links above that looked quite interesting. Does anyone have any other book recommendations on this topic other than White Fragility that they liked? I’ve learned a lot from this thread. Thanks to everyone for explaining their points of view. I have a lot to think about. Mothers of Mass Resistance By Elizabeth Gillespie McRae It addresses white women’s dominant role in the rise of white supremacy, segregation and the beginnings of conservatism 1920-1970. Amazon’s summary: “Why do white supremacist politics in America remain so powerful? Elizabeth Gillespie McRae argues that the answer lies with white women. Examining racial segregation from 1920s to the 1970s, Mothers of Massive Resistance explores the grassroots workers who maintained the system of racial segregation and Jim Crow. For decades in rural communities, in university towns, and in New South cities, white women performed myriad duties that upheld white over black: censoring textbooks, denying marriage certificates, deciding on the racial identity of their neighbors, celebrating school choice, canvassing communities for votes, and lobbying elected officials. They instilled beliefs in racial hierarchies in their children, built national networks, and experimented with a color-blind political discourse. Without these mundane, everyday acts, white supremacist politics could not have shaped local, regional, and national politics the way it did or lasted as long as it has. With white women at the center of the story, the rise of postwar conservatism looks very different than the male-dominated narratives of the resistance to Civil Rights. Women like Nell Battle Lewis, Florence Sillers Ogden, Mary Dawson Cain, and Cornelia Dabney Tucker publicized threats to their Jim Crow world through political organizing, private correspondence, and journalism. Their efforts began before World War II and the Brown decision and persisted past the 1964 Civil Rights Act and anti-busing protests. White women's segregationist politics stretched across the nation, overlapping with and shaping the rise of the New Right. Mothers of Massive Resistance reveals the diverse ways white women sustained white supremacist politics and thought well beyond the federal legislation that overturned legal segregation.” ******* Democracy in Chains By Nancy McLean It’s history based. Reading it was scary—what is written appears to be happening in real time. From Amazon’s summary: “Behind today’s headlines of billionaires taking over our government is a secretive political establishment with long, deep, and troubling roots. The capitalist radical right has been working not simply to change who rules, but to fundamentally alter the rules of democratic governance. But billionaires did not launch this movement; a white intellectual in the embattled Jim Crow South did. Democracy in Chains names its true architect—the Nobel Prize-winning political economist James McGill Buchanan—and dissects the operation he and his colleagues designed over six decades to alter every branch of government to disempower the majority. In a brilliant and engrossing narrative, Nancy MacLean shows how Buchanan forged his ideas about government in a last gasp attempt to preserve the white elite’s power in the wake of Brown v. Board of Education. In response to the widening of American democracy, he developed a brilliant, if diabolical, plan to undermine the ability of the majority to use its numbers to level the playing field between the rich and powerful and the rest of us. Corporate donors and their right-wing foundations were only too eager to support Buchanan’s work in teaching others how to divide America into “makers” and “takers.” And when a multibillionaire on a messianic mission to rewrite the social contract of the modern world, Charles Koch, discovered Buchanan, he created a vast, relentless, and multi-armed machine to carry out Buchanan’s strategy. Without Buchanan's ideas and Koch's money, the libertarian right would not have succeeded in its stealth takeover of the Republican Party as a delivery mechanism. Now, with Mike Pence as Vice President, the cause has a longtime loyalist in the White House, not to mention a phalanx of Republicans in the House, the Senate, a majority of state governments, and the courts, all carrying out the plan. That plan includes harsher laws to undermine unions, privatizing everything from schools to health care and Social Security, and keeping as many of us as possible from voting. Based on ten years of unique research, Democracy in Chains tells a chilling story of right-wing academics and big money run amok. This revelatory work of scholarship is also a call to arms to protect the achievements of twentieth-century American self-government.” ******** Stamped From the Beginning By Ibram X. KEndi Amazon’s summary: “The National Book Award winning history of how racist ideas were created, spread, and deeply rooted in American society. Some Americans insist that we're living in a post-racial society. But racist thought is not just alive and well in America--it is more sophisticated and more insidious than ever. And as award-winning historian Ibram X. Kendi argues, racist ideas have a long and lingering history, one in which nearly every great American thinker is complicit. In this deeply researched and fast-moving narrative, Kendi chronicles the entire story of anti-black racist ideas and their staggering power over the course of American history. He uses the life stories of five major American intellectuals to drive this history: Puritan minister Cotton Mather, Thomas Jefferson, abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison, W.E.B. Du Bois, and legendary activist Angela Davis. As Kendi shows, racist ideas did not arise from ignorance or hatred. They were created to justify and rationalize deeply entrenched discriminatory policies and the nation's racial inequities. In shedding light on this history, Stamped from the Beginning offers us the tools we need to expose racist thinking. In the process, he gives us reason to hope.” ******** The Color of Law By Richard Rothstein Amazon’s summary: “Widely heralded as a “masterful” ( Washington Post) and “essential” ( Slate) history of the modern American metropolis, Richard Rothstein’s The Color of Law offers “the most forceful argument ever published on how federal, state, and local governments gave rise to and reinforced neighborhood segregation” (William Julius Wilson). Exploding the myth of de facto segregation arising from private prejudice or the unintended consequences of economic forces, Rothstein describes how the American government systematically imposed residential segregation: with undisguised racial zoning; public housing that purposefully segregated previously mixed communities; subsidies for builders to create whites-only suburbs; tax exemptions for institutions that enforced segregation; and support for violent resistance to African Americans in white neighborhoods. A groundbreaking, “virtually indispensable” study that has already transformed our understanding of twentieth-century urban history ( Chicago Daily Observer), The Color of Law forces us to face the obligation to remedy our unconstitutional past.” I’m just starting this book now.
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Post by scrappintoee on Sept 15, 2020 10:57:43 GMT
lauradrumm ...I'm so sorry for all you've been through with your former friend. I am shocked at her texts to you !!! I'm going through a verrrry difficult, similar situation with my sister and some friends. Ugh, the hardest part about my sister is that we are family, so obviously, holidays are going to be weird/ difficult. I can't imagine NOT attending our usual big family Christmases just because of her. I'm already wondering/ dreading how it's going to be when we're all together, but how I'll barely be able to look at her, much less speak. Our family has NO drama, and I definitely don't want to cause any, so the past few Christmases, I acted the same way I always have around her (although it hasn't been easy! I should get at LEAST an Oscar nomination for my acting!) No one wants to be fake nice, so I decided I just cannot speak to her any longer. But more recently, as dear sis gets worse and worse with her group "Evangelicals for Trump" **vomit** I just don't have the energy to be around her and act nice. By the way---to be clear--she NEVER posts hateful, rude, racist, negative things, and I know she never will. But still, I'm just DONE! It's also going to be hard, because I ADORE my nieces and nephews, so it's going to be awkward the next time there's a family gathering. The kids have also told her they'd prefer it if she didn't talk trump around them, and we're ALL tired of hearing "trump was chosen by God"....(OMG...ROFLMFAO !!!!!!!!!! ) P.S.....To make this even MORE fun, she and a bunch of her pals flew to DC for Kavanaugh's hearings to pray for him. (more ROFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!) Little sidenote on my "trump was chosen by God" sister----her LATEST thing is telling our 89-year-old Dad that he is NOT high risk for Covid, because he doesn't have any of the conditions (heart, diabetes, blood pressure, etc.) that the HIGHEST risk people do. True, he IS actually healthy for his age.....BUT....she just cannot understand why we don't want to risk traveling there for Christmas. My Dad is so cool about it, while I'm just FURIOUS! He treats her just the same, loves her the same like any Dad should (and to be clear---he also HATES cheeto, and my sister knows it and STILL tries to convince him not to), but even he had to tell her (in his usual, fun way) ..." welllll, I may not be in those health risk groups, but ....umm...I AM almost ninety!" (I actually started a thread about this recently, I was sooo upset and wanted pea's opinions. I deleted it because I was afraid of being flamed. Looking back, I'd bet almost everyone would have agreed with me that he IS still high risk, no matter what Qanon crap my sister tells him!) OP....(NOT Ashley) I tried to "quick quote" something ashley wrote, and it won't let me edit !!!) ( sorry, this is NOT a quote from ashley----I don't know how that happened, and it will NOT let me delete it !!!! ) lauradrumm's former friend wrote: "You are worried about your business being closed now....go ahead and give it away to someone more deserving of you"
THIS confused me---what exactly does she mean? At first, I read it as "more deserving THAN you", but re-read it, and maybe I can't figure out what she meant? You don't DESERVE your business to stay afloat? And actually, it shows a great deal of maturity to stick to your values even when it means parting ways with someone dear. I totalllly agree with this !!! It was MUCH easier to "act normal " and nice around my sister before I decided I just CAN'T any more! Same with former dear friends. I HATE this !!!! The ONE good thing about us not traveling to see our families this Christmas is that I don't have to worry about the awkwardness around my sister. Ugh, we used to have sooo much fun and laughter !!! Most people don’t go running around screaming “I hate black people! I hate Mexicans! I want their lives completely ripped apart because they came to this country and I don’t want them here!” They have hidden those beliefs really really well up until now. Honestly if it wasn’t for Facebook I robably wouldn’t know how some of my friends really feel. They NEVER express these things in person. But then I go to their page, and every other post is some awfully racist meme. Why else would you post it on your own page if you didn’t believe it? TOTALLLY agree !!!! I had a dear, dear friend who had never said ANYthing about politics before. She and I have been friends 20 years, and we had sooo many more interesting and fun things to talk and laugh about; and we scrapbooked a LOT, too....very good years! The first couple years of cheeto were okay, she never posted anything about him on facebook, and it just wasn't something I thought about her or her DH, who I love like a brother. I wasn't even SURE if they were cheeto supporters, which was a good thing. It just wasn't a part of our friendship to talk politics, and honestly----I wish it STILL wasn't! But within the last year or so, all of a sudden, she started posting memes on facebook that surprised me. The one that REALLY made me decide to end our friendship was a meme comparing Bernie to Hitler. OMG, I was HORRIFIED !!!!!!!! I *hate* drama, and she mostly knows me as a fun, easygoing gal. It was SO HARD for me to do this (I'm kind of a wimp, I own it!), but I said something like "First of all, just seeing a photo of Hitler next to Bernie is horrifying and offensive!!! You're comparing someone responsible for the murder of SIXTY MILLION JEWS to Bernie Sanders??!!!!" I have never posted anything like this in my life, and I was sooo nervous afterwards, I trembled for about 20 minutes. I was so fearful and worried, I considered deleting it. But, I couldn't! I told her we had a dear family friend who saw her father being taken away by the Nazis when she was a young girl. She had written an essay about it way back in the 80's, and it still haunted me. ANYWAY......I ALSO told her that meme was even MORE offensive because Bernie Sanders had family members killed in the holocaust. Her response was something about socialism,....blahhh blahhh blahhh....and how she was very sorry about our Jewish family friend whose Dad was murdered and I believe she DID feel horrible about that! Then she said something about how the fact that Bernie lost family members was just MORE of a reason to fight socialism, and a friend of hers defended her...blah blah blah. This was all very civil, there was no ugliness or pettiness, but still---I was horrified. I told my Dad and DH about it, and they asked me if she'd joined a cult---LOL---and, since they've also known her for 20 years, there were also VERY disappointed that she'd post such a horrific meme. Going back to your point----if it weren't for freaking facebook, I wouldn't have seen that disgusting meme, and to be honest, in this case, ignorance would have been bliss. I HATE that she posted it, and I HATE that it ruined our friendship. I know some would say it's a GOOD thing I found out her REAL feelings...ugh.... Now that I've completed this unintended novel, and although I highty doubt anyone is still reading this, I want to send sincere ((( HUGS )))) to everyone who's going though this. It is sooo hard!!! I mean, I never EVER dreamed that I would actually stop communicating with my sister who I love, who's always had my back, who I've had more fun and non-stop laughter with, who helped me SO much through a difficult time in my life, etc.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 15, 2020 12:36:24 GMT
I don’t think that is a fair statement. Have you read the book? A few months ago I posted about my book club discussing this book. Nobody on that thread said anything negative about the book. During our book club discussion, most people were able to share insight that they have gained by reading the book as well as recent events. There were a few who got hung up on certain parts of the book and didn’t seem to be able to reflect on their own “stuff” that was a little frustrating but overall it was a good discussion. We all felt like there should be a follow up on what to do to stop racism and we also thought about how to reach people who aren’t even open to reading the book or hearing about other people’s experiences. I felt like in some parts it seemed hopeless since she was saying that all white people are inherently racist but am glad I read it. And when I brought it up, I didn’t say it as if I know everything (although I do think there are people that do that regardless of whether or not it is related to this book. I brought it up because it was one of the takeaways from the book and I think it is good for people to read it. I have read it, and my comment is not a reflection the quality of the book, it's a reflection too many women who seem to think that reading the book is a huge accomplishment and whenever the subject of race comes up they refer to it. Uh....ok. Why is any different than mentioning any book that you think would be helpful to read? Or naming a source? Isn’t the goal to help people have insight into their own prejudice, history, and systemic racism? Why would it be a bad thing to mention a book that can help achieve that? It’s ironic (or hypocritical?) that your post did exactly what you claim I was doing by referencing the book.
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Post by Olan on Sept 15, 2020 13:18:33 GMT
No problem! Thanks for your willingness to read them!
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Post by Olan on Sept 15, 2020 13:20:36 GMT
“ The right acknowledgment of black justice, humanity, freedom and happiness won’t be found in your book clubs, protest signs, chalk talks or organizational statements. It will be found in your earnest willingness to dismantle systems that stand in our way — be they at your job, in your social network, your neighborhood associations, your family or your home. It’s not just about amplifying our voices, it’s about investing in them and in our businesses, education, political representation, power, housing and art. It starts, also, with reflection on the harm you’ve probably caused in a black person’s life. It may have happened when you were 10, 16, 22, 36 or 42. Comforting as it may be to read and discuss the big questions about race and justice and America, making up for past wrongs means starting with the fact that you’ve done wrong in the past, perhaps without realizing it at the time: in the old workplace, neighborhood, classroom, softball field. Maybe even the book club. I am at a beer garden in Fishtown when the Trayvon Martin murder case reaches its conclusion. I am home in bed, curled like a question mark, crying over the news that Philando Castile has just been shot in front of his partner and their child. Freddie Gray is dead and I am standing in the district office of the Camden City School District, mourning with black co-workers. And I am all these things at once again when I watch my white colleagues, friends, acquaintances and long-ago classmates reopen this time loop. Still learning how to be allies yet never making amends to us.” This quote is from the Washington Post article. The authors name is Tre Johnson out of PA. A very good read. www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/white-antiracist-allyship-book-clubs/2020/06/11/9edcc766-abf5-11ea-94d2-d7bc43b26bf9_story.html?outputType=amp
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