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Post by sleepingbooty on Oct 22, 2020 15:38:13 GMT
I don't presume to speak for other people but it I want to be clear, that we are all capable of thinking the go fund me is tacky and and simultaneously feel sad that Collin passed away at such a young age. We can think that he acted douchey in the past and feel empathy for his wife and their children. We can find the lack of health insurance questionable and simultaneously see that he and his wife clearly adored each other and their children. I just don't want anyone to think that some of what is being posted here makes us heartless and insensitive.  It's not black and white. I feel for Liz and her kids. I haven't changed my opinion on the dumb stuff Collin did and said (even in recent years, lest we forget the big thread about him was in 2018, not long ago!) or hypocrisy demonstrated by both of them. Empathy and sympathy aren't matters of the moral superiority realm. Like shit, this situation is rough. But also shit, what possessed them to have four kids sans financial safety net? |
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Post by artgirl1 on Oct 22, 2020 16:01:19 GMT
It's not black and white. I feel for Liz and her kids. I haven't changed my opinion on the dumb stuff Collin did and said (even in recent years, lest we forget the big thread about him was in 2018, not long ago!) or hypocrisy demonstrated by both of them. Empathy and sympathy aren't matters of the moral superiority realm. Like shit, this situation is rough. But also shit, what possessed them to have four kids sans financial safety net? I have to agree with most of this, but then again, I have a hard time churning up much more than sympathy that he passed. I find Go Fund Me collections in this instance just a money grab. They lived a very high end lifestyle, and didn't they just build a McMansion? She made a pretty penny from her blog, and Instagram, and her paper lines, and traveled extensively for the paper crafting industry (probably all paid or at least tax deductible). There is no excuse that they did not have life (and if applicable, health) insurance. Not having time is no excuse. It takes 2-3 hours? certainly less time than a beach vacation during Covid. My husband died suddenly at 32, I was a 30 year old working widow (and also in grad school) with a 4 year old and pregnant. We had life insurance (although it was tied up in court for 7 years). I got $310 a month from Social Security for my DD. Iput on my big girl panties, sold the dream house we had bought 6 months prior and downsized. I managed to raise my DD on my salary, and Social Security including covering her BFA and MFA. I didn't take multiple vacations, or shopped til I dropped or work in my glamourous home studio. I am a hard hearted bitch, but my concern and empathy will be extended to those, who through no fault of their own, find themselves in similar circumstance. My donations have and will continue to go to food banks, or the Go Fund Me's for families who have lost both parents due to Covid, or those that are truly hurting. |
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Post by lasteve1 on Oct 22, 2020 16:02:38 GMT
I was shocked to see this news this morning, it's a sad thing whenever someone passes away too young, especially leaving behind a family and a spouse who was clearly very in love with him.
That said, I agree with a lot of others on here... she has raised a substantial amount through GoFundMe and there are so many needy people out there. I'm sure this is a huge emotional and financial hit on their family and of course they do not deserve that, but she has her own income from American Crafts and influencer stuff. Even if she had reduced her scrapbook related income in recent years, she is a big enough name that she could easily pick it back up and get a job in the industry and/or start her own business. She also should receive income from SSI and, with 4 children under 18, that will likely be a decent amount (but no way to know without knowing how much Collin previously paid in SSI taxes).
It seems irresponsible to not have had life insurance, maybe it was because of a pre-existing condition, but it seems it was just out of irresponsibility. While I truly feel bad for them, everyone weighs the costs/risks and maybe they just wanted to spend their money elsewhere. I'm not thrilled when people blow their money on vacations and nice things but then get bailed out when they need it, it's kind of a kick to the people who go without so that they can responsibly put money aside. It's not like they were barely making ends meet, they were definitely living the upper middle class lifestyle and chose to spend their money elsewhere.
Personally, we do not have a separate life insurance policy outside of the one provided through our unions/work (my husband and I both work for the government). However, this was a conscious choice and I wouldn't expect anyone to bail me (or my husband) out if something were to happen to either of us. That said, we are both highly educated professionals and earn similar amounts. So, while reducing from a two income to a one income household would have an impact on our long term lifestyle, we would be fine. Our insurance through either one of our jobs is sufficient to pay off the house and that is our only large shared debt, our daughter is a teenager and already has college paid for, and we have savings/retirement accounts that could be cashed out if needed.
We would likely have a different plan in place if one of us was the primary earner in the household or if we had more expenses. But, still, that is a choice we made. The only reason I wouldn't at least partially fault someone for not preparing for these situations is if they had been living paycheck to paycheck and just struggling to get by, but that was clearly not the case here.
All that said... I do really feel bad for her family, but not enough to want to give to her. As others have said, I would donate to a more deserving charity... (plus donations to a real charity are tax deductible, donations through a GoFundMe are not because the IRS/congress also recognizes that real charities are more deserving).
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 22, 2020 16:05:28 GMT
I didn't follow her on instagram or otherwise, but saw Ali Edwards post, and came here because I knew you ladies would have more information.
I can't imagine how hard it is to lose a spouse when you have a young family. I will say, as a working mom with a large family, yes, I have a lot of life insurance, as does my husband. I was planning to up the insurance the next time our benefits change window opens at work, and this is the kick in the seat I need (we are fine, but I'd like for both of us to leave the other in the position that they could not only replace the income but also downshift from work for a few years to focus on the kids, who would be really in need of it, I imagine).
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Post by sleepingbooty on Oct 22, 2020 16:10:14 GMT
My husband died suddenly at 32, I was a 30 year old working widow (and also in grad school) with a 4 year old and pregnant. We had life insurance (although it was tied up in court for 7 years). I got $310 a month from Social Security for my DD. Iput on my big girl panties, sold the dream house we had bought 6 months prior and downsized. I managed to raise my DD on my salary, and Social Security including covering her BFA and MFA. I didn't take multiple vacations, or shopped til I dropped or work in my glamourous home studio. Oh, I'm with you. My father disappeared into thin air just after my parents' divorce went through. My mother's spousal support, child support and my freakin' life insurance (yes, my mother negotiated a life insurance for me in the divorce settlement) never happened. I was in kindergarten. Every month she'd go to the police to file a claim for non-payment. She never got anything. I never got anything. It's not the same emotional less as sudden death but it's one hell of a shock and major burden to live with, too. Homelessness as a kid: been there, done that. The Kartchners are nowhere near this level of poverty and likely never will be. It's still a big loss for them and the kids will suffer the greatest in the end. I imagine witnessing his passing must've been traumatic too so I've got some sympathy and empathy still. They'll be hurting for a long time and I feel for them. I'm not donating, however. |
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Post by pianoforte on Oct 22, 2020 16:34:02 GMT
That this has mostly devolved into a criticism of the Kartchner's (lack of) financial planning is hilarious and tragic.
We really don't understand the situation. His sister posted some nonsense on the GoFundMe page about him being too busy to get insurance. Does she know what she's talking about? Who knows?
Good for those of us who have life insurance. We're all awesome and everyone else sucks and is an idiot.
Look, Collin was definitely flawed, imperfect and (maybe) short-sighted. In the past, he definitely said a lot of stupid things.
He sought the approval of others at the expense of others (remember Craftin' With Cleetus?). A mixed legacy for sure. But aren't his recent actions a better reflection of where he was at in his journey?
Seems like he was trying to actually do some good in the world. Shouldn't he be applauded for that instead of raked over the coals? Hell, he's not even in the ground yet and we're ripping the guy apart for lack of an insurance policy.
Check out the GoFundMe stats ... more than 3,000 different people have donated. The campaign has been shared 38,000 times. It's basically lots of small donations from a lot of people. You don't have that kind of reach unless you've touched many lives for the better.
Liz is looking at funeral expenses, slogging through a lot of grief, raising four traumatized kids on her own, and figuring out how to make it without her partner in the world. Think of the counseling bills for the family alone! She's probably got a mortgage, living expenses. It adds up fast.
Instead of taking the piss out her for lacking foresight, being irresponsible, being hypocritical, etc. what if we showed some GD compassion to a fellow human being when she's at her lowest?
Or don't. Keep the $10 and buy a cheeseburger and fries.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 22, 2020 16:45:23 GMT
welcome to the forum, pianoforte . It seems like you arrived here (or at least started posting) just for the Colin Kartchner thread, but hopefully you'll stay around a while- we're a good bunch of tell-it-like-it-is craft-loving people here. ETA: if you don't like criticism of random things / people / situations, do NOT go to the NSBR board. (just sayin') |
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Post by Skellinton on Oct 22, 2020 16:45:27 GMT
That this has mostly devolved into a criticism of the Kartchner's (lack of) financial planning is hilarious and tragic. We really don't understand the situation. His sister posted some nonsense on the GoFundMe page about him being too busy to get insurance. Does she know what she's talking about? Who knows? Good for those of us who have life insurance. We're all awesome and everyone else sucks and is an idiot. Look, Collin was definitely flawed, imperfect and (maybe) short-sighted. In the past, he definitely said a lot of stupid things. He sought the approval of others at the expense of others (remember Craftin' With Cleetus?). A mixed legacy for sure. But aren't his recent actions a better reflection of where he was at in his journey? Seems like he was trying to actually do some good in the world. Shouldn't he be applauded for that instead of raked over the coals? Hell, he's not even in the ground yet and we're ripping the guy apart for lack of an insurance policy. Check out the GoFundMe stats ... more than 3,000 different people have donated. The campaign has been shared 38,000 times. It's basically lots of small donations from a lot of people. You don't have that kind of reach unless you've touched many lives for the better. Liz is looking at funeral expenses, slogging through a lot of grief, raising four traumatized kids on her own, and figuring out how to make it without her partner in the world. Think of the counseling bills for the family alone! She's probably got a mortgage, living expenses. It adds up fast. Instead of taking the piss out her for lacking foresight, being irresponsible, being hypocritical, etc. what if we showed some GD compassion to a fellow human being when she's at her lowest? Or don't. Keep the $10 and buy a cheeseburger and fries. Just saving for prosperity. I had a lot of thoughts and rebuttals to your post, but realize it isn’t worth the time for anyone to read. Other peas more eloquent and smarter then me will post what I am feeling I am sure. I can’t let the comment about the kind of reach he had in regards to the enormous amount of donations go unchecked though. Number or donations on a gfm site are no measure of a person’s worth or reach. Nor do they imply that he led a virtuous life. There are a ton of gfm for people that are crap people or have questionable beliefs and values. I am pretty sure a damn lot of people donated to various bakers who discriminated against same sex couples. prodigious amounts of donations don’t equal a worthy cause. ETA I am personally donating the suggested 10.00 cheeseburger amount to the charity sleepingbooty linked earlier. I am also adding them to my charitable donation list for giving when I am donating in the future. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Oct 22, 2020 16:46:42 GMT
Instead of taking the piss out her for lacking foresight, being irresponsible, being hypocritical, etc. what if we showed some GD compassion to a fellow human being when she's at her lowest? Or don't. Keep the $10 and buy a cheeseburger and fries. Ah yes, Handslappity McHandslap, the favourite role played by a New Member suddenly jumping in when there's a hot topic being discussed. Judging folks for being judgmental. I love the touch of snob classism with the cheeseburger and fries reference. Not subtle but it adds that bougie je-ne-sais-quoi that was missing from the discussion.  Anyhoo. |
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Post by julie5 on Oct 22, 2020 16:59:07 GMT
I *really* hope Liz doesn't follow in Freckled Fox footsteps. Word. A good start will be NOT to get remarried within a few mos of their DH death which both FF and TC did. I hope and believe DL is wiser than that. Teresa Collins as well. That was my thought too and yes I’m going straight to Helena hand basket I know. |
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Post by pianoforte on Oct 22, 2020 17:01:45 GMT
That this has mostly devolved into a criticism of the Kartchner's (lack of) financial planning is hilarious and tragic. We really don't understand the situation. His sister posted some nonsense on the GoFundMe page about him being too busy to get insurance. Does she know what she's talking about? Who knows? Good for those of us who have life insurance. We're all awesome and everyone else sucks and is an idiot. Look, Collin was definitely flawed, imperfect and (maybe) short-sighted. In the past, he definitely said a lot of stupid things. He sought the approval of others at the expense of others (remember Craftin' With Cleetus?). A mixed legacy for sure. But aren't his recent actions a better reflection of where he was at in his journey? Seems like he was trying to actually do some good in the world. Shouldn't he be applauded for that instead of raked over the coals? Hell, he's not even in the ground yet and we're ripping the guy apart for lack of an insurance policy. Check out the GoFundMe stats ... more than 3,000 different people have donated. The campaign has been shared 38,000 times. It's basically lots of small donations from a lot of people. You don't have that kind of reach unless you've touched many lives for the better. Liz is looking at funeral expenses, slogging through a lot of grief, raising four traumatized kids on her own, and figuring out how to make it without her partner in the world. Think of the counseling bills for the family alone! She's probably got a mortgage, living expenses. It adds up fast. Instead of taking the piss out her for lacking foresight, being irresponsible, being hypocritical, etc. what if we showed some GD compassion to a fellow human being when she's at her lowest? Or don't. Keep the $10 and buy a cheeseburger and fries. Just saving for prosperity. I had a lot of thoughts and rebuttals to your post, but realize it isn’t worth the time for anyone to read. Other peas more eloquent and smarter then me will post what I am feeling I am sure. I can’t let the comment about the kind of reach he had in regards to the enormous amount of donations go unchecked though. Number or donations on a gfm site are no measure of a person’s worth or reach. Nor do they imply that he led a virtuous life. There are a ton of gfm for people that are crap people or have questionable beliefs and values. I am pretty sure a damn lot of people donated to various bakers who discriminated against same sex couples. prodigious amounts of donations don’t equal a worthy cause. ETA I am personally donating the suggested 10.00 cheeseburger amount to the charity sleepingbooty linked earlier. I am also adding them to my charitable donation list for giving when I am donating in the future. I stand corrected. Helping another human being - flawed as she is - in the scrapbooking industry (this is a crafting message board, right) when she's at her lowest isn't a worthy cause? Ha ha. My point about the reach was that Collin was trying to make a difference helping kids who are bullied, sexually harassed, depressed, etc. Maybe that's an unworthy cause to some. I think it's cool. Either you have compassion on Liz and her situation or you don't. If you do, which it sounds like you do, you can either feel moved to action or not. Donate, donate to something else, buy a cheeseburger, buy cat food. Your compassion, your money. Do what you want and have a great day as you do. |
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Post by katers415 on Oct 22, 2020 17:05:34 GMT
I'm not sure what the cost of living in Utah is, and without knowing their entire financial picture, it's hard to say, but with 4 kids, funeral costs, presumably some medical bills, 200k isn't a financial get out of jail free card. On dollar value alone, it likely buys her a year or so of time to grieve and adjust and make a plan going forward. Hopefully she is able to get some good solid financial advice.
Very sad.
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Post by julie5 on Oct 22, 2020 17:07:56 GMT
That this has mostly devolved into a criticism of the Kartchner's (lack of) financial planning is hilarious and tragic. We really don't understand the situation. His sister posted some nonsense on the GoFundMe page about him being too busy to get insurance. Does she know what she's talking about? Who knows? Good for those of us who have life insurance. We're all awesome and everyone else sucks and is an idiot. Look, Collin was definitely flawed, imperfect and (maybe) short-sighted. In the past, he definitely said a lot of stupid things. He sought the approval of others at the expense of others (remember Craftin' With Cleetus?). A mixed legacy for sure. But aren't his recent actions a better reflection of where he was at in his journey? Seems like he was trying to actually do some good in the world. Shouldn't he be applauded for that instead of raked over the coals? Hell, he's not even in the ground yet and we're ripping the guy apart for lack of an insurance policy. Check out the GoFundMe stats ... more than 3,000 different people have donated. The campaign has been shared 38,000 times. It's basically lots of small donations from a lot of people. You don't have that kind of reach unless you've touched many lives for the better. Liz is looking at funeral expenses, slogging through a lot of grief, raising four traumatized kids on her own, and figuring out how to make it without her partner in the world. Think of the counseling bills for the family alone! She's probably got a mortgage, living expenses. It adds up fast. Instead of taking the piss out her for lacking foresight, being irresponsible, being hypocritical, etc. what if we showed some GD compassion to a fellow human being when she's at her lowest? Or don't. Keep the $10 and buy a cheeseburger and fries. Well my $10 x however many gofundmes I’ve passed on has my car paid for, my home is almost paid for and I have 5 rental properties that are completely paid for. So if my husband dies, I won’t have to ask for help. Even in my 2 divorces I didn’t get much help because I wouldn’t go back to court with my ex for child support because the original divorce was so traumatic for me. And the government aid requires the fathers support before they’ll issue any kind of money like food stamps. I married my third husband late in life and he was raised to be extremely financially responsible and I join him in that. We only buy things if we have the cash to do so. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Oct 22, 2020 17:12:39 GMT
Keep the $10 and buy a cheeseburger and fries. Well my $10 x however many gofundmes I’ve passed on has my car paid for, my home is almost paid for and I have 5 rental properties that are completely paid for. So if my husband dies, I won’t have to ask for help.  Oh shush, julie5, stop being reasonable and responsible!  (kudos to you!) |
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Post by merry27 on Oct 22, 2020 17:16:26 GMT
If I remember correctly, her own father passed away at a really young age leaving behind her mom and several siblings. Tragic.
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Post by pianoforte on Oct 22, 2020 17:20:19 GMT
welcome to the forum, pianoforte . It seems like you arrived here (or at least started posting) just for the Colin Kartchner thread, but hopefully you'll stay around a while- we're a good bunch of tell-it-like-it-is craft-loving people here. ETA: if you don't like criticism of random things / people / situations, do NOT go to the NSBR board. (just sayin') Thanks! Used to haunt the old Two Peas In A Bucket board years ago, so I'm familiar with the general format and what I'm getting myself into. Hadn't visited this Refugees board in years, but when I saw the news Collin had passed I thought, "I wonder what the 2Pee-ers will have say about this." As expected, it is as it ever was ... knives out. Ha ha. Maybe I'll stick around ... |
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Post by julie5 on Oct 22, 2020 17:21:12 GMT
Well my $10 x however many gofundmes I’ve passed on has my car paid for, my home is almost paid for and I have 5 rental properties that are completely paid for. So if my husband dies, I won’t have to ask for help. Oh shush, julie5, stop being reasonable and responsible! (kudos to you!)Oh hey my first husband and I were those people that wanted everything and we wanted it NOW! We filed bankruptcy. Learned our lessons on credit cards. It’s just not worth it to be constantly upside down on stuff. My 2nd husband would take the money and spend it while I was out at work. Hed buy “gifts” Once he bought all new furniture when there nothing wrong with ours. Video games, TVs, guitar equipment. I mean we never had more than $5 in the bank. It was terrible and that’s why I left. He couldn’t figure out why we couldn’t buy a house. Hello, down payment. So when I got back with my 3rd husband, I was so tight with my money. My oldest daughter would get so mad because I wouldn’t indulge in any luxuries as I tried to save for our own apartment. My then boyfriend (now husband) even offered to loan money and I wouldn’t take it because o was so afraid I wouldn’t be able to pay it back. |
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Post by pianoforte on Oct 22, 2020 17:24:22 GMT
That this has mostly devolved into a criticism of the Kartchner's (lack of) financial planning is hilarious and tragic. We really don't understand the situation. His sister posted some nonsense on the GoFundMe page about him being too busy to get insurance. Does she know what she's talking about? Who knows? Good for those of us who have life insurance. We're all awesome and everyone else sucks and is an idiot. Look, Collin was definitely flawed, imperfect and (maybe) short-sighted. In the past, he definitely said a lot of stupid things. He sought the approval of others at the expense of others (remember Craftin' With Cleetus?). A mixed legacy for sure. But aren't his recent actions a better reflection of where he was at in his journey? Seems like he was trying to actually do some good in the world. Shouldn't he be applauded for that instead of raked over the coals? Hell, he's not even in the ground yet and we're ripping the guy apart for lack of an insurance policy. Check out the GoFundMe stats ... more than 3,000 different people have donated. The campaign has been shared 38,000 times. It's basically lots of small donations from a lot of people. You don't have that kind of reach unless you've touched many lives for the better. Liz is looking at funeral expenses, slogging through a lot of grief, raising four traumatized kids on her own, and figuring out how to make it without her partner in the world. Think of the counseling bills for the family alone! She's probably got a mortgage, living expenses. It adds up fast. Instead of taking the piss out her for lacking foresight, being irresponsible, being hypocritical, etc. what if we showed some GD compassion to a fellow human being when she's at her lowest? Or don't. Keep the $10 and buy a cheeseburger and fries. Well my $10 x however many gofundmes I’ve passed on has my car paid for, my home is almost paid for and I have 5 rental properties that are completely paid for. So if my husband dies, I won’t have to ask for help. Even in my 2 divorces I didn’t get much help because I wouldn’t go back to court with my ex for child support because the original divorce was so traumatic for me. And the government aid requires the fathers support before they’ll issue any kind of money like food stamps. I married my third husband late in life and he was raised to be extremely financially responsible and I join him in that. We only buy things if we have the cash to do so. Congratulations on your success, sounds like it was hard earned. You sound very responsible and self-sufficient. Very admirable qualities. Sorry you didn't get much help during your divorces. Must have been hard to be on your own like that. |
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Post by Really Red on Oct 22, 2020 17:26:57 GMT
I don't know these people, but I read their story.
Part of the GFM says "giving the shirt of his back and the Jordans off his feet" WTF? Was she trying to be funny?
The news story says "according to his website, Kartchner has raised over $400,000 for those impacted by natural disasters" Well, who knows if that is true.
I am always gobsmacked by these GFMs. Like others, I prefer to give where I feel my money is really needed. They've raised the total to $300K as they have surpassed the $200K.
Even if you cannot get life insurance because of a pre-existing condition, most companies will provide that for you. Did he not have a job? Did she not? How did they earn money for their nice home?
I'm all kinds of judgmental here. I am super sorry for those poor kids. No one deserves that, but I have lost sympathy for parents who don't put their kids first and making sure your kids are taken care of if/when you die is pretty important.
Life insurance is exactly for those reasons.
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Post by marg on Oct 22, 2020 17:36:24 GMT
I was just reading Liz's latest Instagram post and the comments on it, and 2 things stuck out to me - she is so lucky to have so many beautiful, joyful photos of their family, and it seems like Collin really touched a lot of people in recent years. There is so much love and support for her and her family, its heartwarming to see.
I realize so much of it is image and Instagram, it only shows the good, happy stuff, etc. etc. but man, I'd love to have a few photos like that of my family. I do PL and document our daily lives but have no family portraits to hang on my wall. I have some new inspiration for photos I'd like to take.
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Post by dawnnikol on Oct 22, 2020 17:39:34 GMT
Good for him for changing. I am not going to give a fucking dime to them when Amanda Bragg (@abragg) was an active scrapbooker on the SC board, this board, and social media and her death devastated her young son & her husband & her bakery business and not a single one of those compassionate people posting about his tragic loss posted about her and tried to help HER family.
This goes back to what others have said. They should've known better. Am I saying this to Liz's face? Am I posting on her personal account or sending her a DM? Hell no. I am choosing to discuss it on a message board. Anybody who comes to this message board pretty much knows what they're going to see. We don't hold back, which is why you don't see people like AF or AE or any of them posting here.
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Post by jediannie on Oct 22, 2020 17:44:55 GMT
pianoforte, I'm thinking you didn't read the whole thread because everyone does have compassion for the kids and feels sorry for the family having to deal with a tragedy. However, when you shove yourself into the spotlight by being an "influencer" or blogger or whatever, you have to expect people will have opinions and questions about their choices. If you don't want what you are doing to be questioned by the masses, don't become a public figure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 17:45:52 GMT
It does break my heart how many young moms with young kids who live in a mobile home or a cheap rental and have a husband who dies suddenly - nobody knows, nobody donates $200k to their needs. I would argue their needs for GFM moeny are far deeper than the needs of the well-off since the pain of the deaths are equally cruel but the pain of the poverty is not.
But, in social media, as in high school, often the prettiest and most popular get the goods.
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Post by jediannie on Oct 22, 2020 17:54:32 GMT
This goes back to what others have said. They should've known better. Am I saying this to Liz's face? Am I posting on her personal account or sending her a DM? Hell no. I am choosing to discuss it on a message board. Anybody who comes to this message board pretty much knows what they're going to see. We don't hold back, which is why you don't see people like AF or AE or any of them posting here. Yep, I wouldn't post this on her instagram account because I'm not her friend nor financial adviser and she doesn't need my opinion blasted on her page. I post here because my family can't discuss it because they don't understand this scrappy subculture. |
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Post by Skellinton on Oct 22, 2020 18:01:11 GMT
Good for him for changing. I am not going to give a fucking dime to them when Amanda Bragg (@abragg) was an active scrapbooker on the SC board, this board, and social media and her death devastated her young son & her husband & her bakery business and not a single one of those compassionate people posting about his tragic loss posted about her and tried to help HER family. This goes back to what others have said. They should've known better. Am I saying this to Liz's face? Am I posting on her personal account or sending her a DM? Hell no. I am choosing to discuss it on a message board. Anybody who comes to this message board pretty much knows what they're going to see. We don't hold back, which is why you don't see people like AF or AE or any of them posting here. I think of her often, especially when watching Supernatural. I wonder how her son and husband are. |
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Post by dawnnikol on Oct 22, 2020 18:11:14 GMT
I think of her often, especially when watching Supernatural. I wonder how her son and husband are. Me too... I even have the e-mail she sent me with her tried and true sugar cookie recipe that I bust out every Christmas season. I'm glad I'm not the only one who misses her. <3 |
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Post by peachiceteas on Oct 22, 2020 18:23:00 GMT
I think of her often, especially when watching Supernatural. I wonder how her son and husband are. Me too... I even have the e-mail she sent me with her tried and true sugar cookie recipe that I bust out every Christmas season. I'm glad I'm not the only one who misses her. <3 I think about Amanda and her cutie son Bear regularly. I wasn’t close to her at all, but we participated in threads together, and she often said all the things I was thinking. I am not a praying person but I do often send positive thoughts out into the world with her son in mind. |
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pianoforte
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Post by pianoforte on Oct 22, 2020 18:46:13 GMT
pianoforte , I'm thinking you didn't read the whole thread because everyone does have compassion for the kids and feels sorry for the family having to deal with a tragedy. However, when you shove yourself into the spotlight by being an "influencer" or blogger or whatever, you have to expect people will have opinions and questions about their choices. If you don't want what you are doing to be questioned by the masses, don't become a public figure. I agree that people feel sorry for the kids and Liz for what happened. Just not sorry enough to take action and help them in some way. And certainly not sorry enough to not judge and second guess them. Truth is we don't know the full picture. I can see your second point. Influencers are, in general, insufferable. But they are still people, no? Does becoming a public figure mean you no longer qualify for basic respect? Nope, you traded that in, suckers, for fame and fortune. It's open season!! We're all walking around with burdens, why we always gotta make everyone else's heavier? Oh, the humanity! |
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Post by pianoforte on Oct 22, 2020 18:47:45 GMT
Good for him for changing. I am not going to give a fucking dime to them when Amanda Bragg (@abragg) was an active scrapbooker on the SC board, this board, and social media and her death devastated her young son & her husband & her bakery business and not a single one of those compassionate people posting about his tragic loss posted about her and tried to help HER family. This goes back to what others have said. They should've known better. Am I saying this to Liz's face? Am I posting on her personal account or sending her a DM? Hell no. I am choosing to discuss it on a message board. Anybody who comes to this message board pretty much knows what they're going to see. We don't hold back, which is why you don't see people like AF or AE or any of them posting here. Gangster. |
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Post by happyscrappydo on Oct 22, 2020 18:59:46 GMT
As myself losing my Dad when he was 40 and me being a young teen at that devastating time with a younger sibling, I can imagine what the kids are going through. My heart breaks for the loss of a loving Dad and husband. We did not have much money or much help but we survived and made it through.
As far as donations, we collect money at work if someone’s close relative dies, despite if it’s needed or not, will be used to donate to charity or something else. It’s volunteerly, and if you do not want to or cannot, you do not have to donate. My deal with the GFM or similar public money raising activities for an individual cause is that often it gets modified depending on people’s response. I was honestly surprised that one youtuber I am following was asking for a donation for a surgery for another upcoming star and they stopped the donations as soon as the required amount was reached, despite many more people wanted to donate but were not quick enough. Some people said they want to donate for the guy to use for the after surgery and recovery expenses but it was declined. There are so many worthy causes for donations and I personally support only the ones where I know my money would truly help. In this case I feel the goal of helping with funeral expenses was reached so no need to help from me for that purpose. If the ask is to support the kids’ education, or something else, then I will look at it from a different point of view.
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