lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 29, 2020 17:32:41 GMT
I’m just gonna go with UPS is part of the Deep State. Well, that gives a new meaning to ‘What can brown do for you?’ ( they don’t use that ad anymore do they? Pinpointing my age again aren’t I? ) Lol. Yeah, in the early aughts. Man, that was an awful slogan.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 29, 2020 17:46:17 GMT
Well, that gives a new meaning to ‘What can brown do for you?’ ( they don’t use that ad anymore do they? Pinpointing my age again aren’t I? ) Lol. Yeah, in the early aughts. Man, that was an awful slogan. Well it looks like the ‘deep state’ took that ad campaign seriously 😜 😂
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Post by lucyg on Oct 29, 2020 17:59:33 GMT
I think Hunter is a POS and it would not surprise me at all if Joe helped his kid. I am voting for Biden but I do not like him. (1) Hunter is a recovering drug addict with a complicated emotional health history. That alone does not make him a POS. If you have further evidence, feel free to provide it. (2) the fact that it would not surprise you if Joe “helped” his kid (by which I presume you mean illegally helped his kid ... most parents are happy to “help” their kids when possible ... and legal) does not in any way constitute evidence that this actually occurred. ETA of course you are entitled to your own opinions. But what you posted just sounds like you’re spreading unsubstantiated gossip.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 29, 2020 18:11:44 GMT
I thought my description from a few days ago of "nothing burger" was much better - or at least more succinct. Sometimes, it's more about the journey than the destination... You’re both right.
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 29, 2020 18:19:27 GMT
Several investigations have been mounted already and not a shred of evidence has surfaced that Joe was bribed; or was party to influence-peddling; or influenced foreign policy to help Hunter; or accepted foreign monies; or made secret deals with Ukraine, Russia, and China. I overdosed on vitamins the other day and wrote an essay about this already. There is NO evidence. None.
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janeliz
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Post by janeliz on Oct 29, 2020 18:22:08 GMT
I think Hunter is a POS and it would not surprise me at all if Joe helped his kid. I am voting for Biden but I do not like him. (1) Hunter is a recovering drug addict with a complicated emotional health history. That alone does not make him a POS. If you have further evidence, feel free to provide it. (2) the fact that it would not surprise you if Joe “helped” his kid (by which I presume you mean illegally helped his kid ... most parents are happy to “help” their kids when possible ... and legal) does not in any way constitute evidence that this actually occurred. Agree. A recovering drug addict who survived a deadly car accident that killed his mother and baby sister, and then he lost his surviving brother to cancer. It’s no surprise he’s struggled throughout his life. I don’t know Hunter Biden, but I have a great deal of sympathy for him.
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Post by sasha on Oct 29, 2020 18:23:35 GMT
I think Hunter is a POS and it would not surprise me at all if Joe helped his kid. I am voting for Biden but I do not like him. (1) Hunter is a recovering drug addict with a complicated emotional health history. That alone does not make him a POS. If you have further evidence, feel free to provide it. (2) the fact that it would not surprise you if Joe “helped” his kid (by which I presume you mean illegally helped his kid ... most parents are happy to “help” their kids when possible ... and legal) does not in any way constitute evidence that this actually occurred. (1) His drug addiction does not make him a POS. His womanizing and taking up with his brother's widow is pretty fucking shitty in my mind. (2) I didn't say he did it illegally but I'm quite sure he's benefited from being Biden's son in the business world and also in having his drug arrest expunged during a time when Biden was voting in support of the War Against Drugs. Typical politician's kid getting breaks because of it. In short, I'm voting for Biden. But I don't have to like everything about him. And I don't. There's nothing I find admirable about Hunter Biden. He's white trash. I'm not a Trumpster; I'm a democrat now. Biden was not my choice.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 29, 2020 18:32:31 GMT
Several investigations have been mounted already and not a shred of evidence has surfaced that Joe was bribed; or was party to influence-peddling; or influenced foreign policy to help Hunter; or accepted foreign monies; or made secret deals with Ukraine, Russia, and China. I overdosed on vitamins the other day and wrote an essay about this already. There is NO evidence. None. Trump on the other hand you just need to follow the money
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Post by lucyg on Oct 29, 2020 18:33:36 GMT
I’m in a political discussion group on Facebook for recovering Republicans. hahahahahaha I haven't read the rest of the post because this made me spit out my coffee and I need to clean my keyboard. Thanks Lucy, it's going to be a long day and this just made it a bit better. I should clarify ... “recovering Republicans” was just my shorthand. It’s nominally a group for “rational” Republicans and it’s definitely anti-Trump, but it’s really mixed ... many former and current Republicans (almost 100% Never Trumpers) plus Dems, independents, libertarians, conservatives, moderates, liberals, progressives, Bernie Bros ... I love the thoughtful discussions.
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 29, 2020 18:36:03 GMT
Several investigations have been mounted already and not a shred of evidence has surfaced that Joe was bribed; or was party to influence-peddling; or influenced foreign policy to help Hunter; or accepted foreign monies; or made secret deals with Ukraine, Russia, and China. I overdosed on vitamins the other day and wrote an essay about this already. There is NO evidence. None. Trump on the other hand you just need to follow the money Yep. And it doesn’t even take that much effort. Yes, Hunter made some lousy decisions and he did put the Obama administration in a difficult position. He admits that. But as I’ve said a couple times in other threads, Hunter is not on the ballot and he won’t be an “adviser” in the WH should Joe win. At the risk of being accused of whataboutism, I’m more concerned about the very real and PROVEN corruption of Barbie and Ken Kushner who ARE government employees.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 29, 2020 18:37:37 GMT
(1) Hunter is a recovering drug addict with a complicated emotional health history. That alone does not make him a POS. If you have further evidence, feel free to provide it. (2) the fact that it would not surprise you if Joe “helped” his kid (by which I presume you mean illegally helped his kid ... most parents are happy to “help” their kids when possible ... and legal) does not in any way constitute evidence that this actually occurred. (1) His drug addiction does not make him a POS. His womanizing and taking up with his brother's widow is pretty fucking shitty in my mind. (2) I didn't say he did it illegally but I'm quite sure he's benefited from being Biden's son in the business world and also in having his drug arrest expunged during a time when Biden was voting in support of the War Against Drugs. Typical politician's kid getting breaks because of it. In short, I'm voting for Biden. But I don't have to like everything about him. And I don't. There's nothing I find admirable about Hunter Biden. He's white trash. I'm not a Trumpster; I'm a democrat now. Biden was not my choice. Thank you. I did add an ETA to my post at the same time you were posting.
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Post by sasha on Oct 29, 2020 18:50:09 GMT
(1) His drug addiction does not make him a POS. His womanizing and taking up with his brother's widow is pretty fucking shitty in my mind. (2) I didn't say he did it illegally but I'm quite sure he's benefited from being Biden's son in the business world and also in having his drug arrest expunged during a time when Biden was voting in support of the War Against Drugs. Typical politician's kid getting breaks because of it. In short, I'm voting for Biden. But I don't have to like everything about him. And I don't. There's nothing I find admirable about Hunter Biden. He's white trash. I'm not a Trumpster; I'm a democrat now. Biden was not my choice. Thank you. I did add an ETA to my post at the same time you were posting. Yeah, I didn't mean to suggest someone being a recovering drug addict is a POS. I feel for anyone with an addiction that is all consuming, life ruining. And now I'm enjoying the joys of medical MJ, so I'm not one to talk about use of substances. I just struggle with Biden. I am not convinced he's all there. I love Kamala, so I'm happy with his running mate selection.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Oct 29, 2020 18:54:45 GMT
I was able to get my iPhone 6 battery replaced by a certified apple repair guy who owns a generatic repair shop. I logged into my account and he was the closest. It meant I didn't have to drive almost 2 hours to an actual Apple store. However I find it hard to believe that a computer repair person is going to copy someone's hard drives and just go through their emails. Well unless that person suddenly wants no one to do business with them ever again.
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Post by sasha on Oct 29, 2020 18:58:40 GMT
(1) Hunter is a recovering drug addict with a complicated emotional health history. That alone does not make him a POS. If you have further evidence, feel free to provide it. (2) the fact that it would not surprise you if Joe “helped” his kid (by which I presume you mean illegally helped his kid ... most parents are happy to “help” their kids when possible ... and legal) does not in any way constitute evidence that this actually occurred. Agree. A recovering drug addict who survived a deadly car accident that killed his mother and baby sister, and then he lost his surviving brother to cancer. It’s no surprise he’s struggled throughout his life. I don’t know Hunter Biden, but I have a great deal of sympathy for him. I was not referring to his drug use but rather his womanizing and sleeping with his brother's widow. Yes, I know it it was a consensual relationship, but since I'm a widow, to me, that feels predatory during a time of grief. I do have empathy for his family tragedies.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 29, 2020 19:10:55 GMT
Agree. A recovering drug addict who survived a deadly car accident that killed his mother and baby sister, and then he lost his surviving brother to cancer. It’s no surprise he’s struggled throughout his life. I don’t know Hunter Biden, but I have a great deal of sympathy for him. I was not referring to his drug use but rather his womanizing and sleeping with his brother's widow. Yes, I know it it was a consensual relationship, but since I'm a widow, to me, that feels predatory during a time of grief. I do have empathy for his family tragedies. I'm widowed, too, and found myself in a similar situation (NOT the brother, though). I see it more as mutual comfort-seeking between two people who each feel a connection to the dead brother/husband within the other person. I very sincerely doubt it was predatory. (This is the first I’ve heard of this alleged situation, btw. I’m accepting your word that it happened.)
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 29, 2020 19:21:51 GMT
I'll just say unequivocally that there is no child of a major politician who has not benefited from their parent's job on some level - hell it's a pretty damn rare child of any extremely successful parent who isn't benefiting from their connections. I think that's why this entire story line is just so utterly stupid to me. Hunter thought people would want to talk to him because his father used to be vice president - oooooh who'd have guessed it. Now the fact that he might have had less to fall back on in terms of his own accomplishments might make it more obvious than say Chelsea Clinton - but let's get real - Avenue Capital was way more interested in the Clinton name than her history degree from Stanford.
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Post by sasha on Oct 29, 2020 19:24:58 GMT
I was not referring to his drug use but rather his womanizing and sleeping with his brother's widow. Yes, I know it it was a consensual relationship, but since I'm a widow, to me, that feels predatory during a time of grief. I do have empathy for his family tragedies. I'm widowed, too, and found myself in a similar situation (NOT the brother, though). I see it more as mutual comfort-seeking between two people who each feel a connection to the dead brother/husband within the other person. I very sincerely doubt it was predatory. (This is the first I’ve heard of this alleged situation, btw. I’m accepting your word that it happened.) It happened. It was a 2 year relationship but to me, it's just skeevy especially with kids involved on both sides. My daughter would not have taken well to her Uncle now being my lover after her father died. It's hard enough for kids to accept a new partner, so to me, it's way too confusing, way too incestuous and both of them should have known better. www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05/hunter-and-hallie-biden-break-upI understand people do strange things when faced with grief, but I also think that shouldn't be an excuse to do something that is potentially very damaging and confusing to your children.
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Post by sasha on Oct 29, 2020 19:26:51 GMT
Also lucyg , I'm sorry we're in the same club!
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janeliz
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Post by janeliz on Oct 29, 2020 19:27:18 GMT
Agree. A recovering drug addict who survived a deadly car accident that killed his mother and baby sister, and then he lost his surviving brother to cancer. It’s no surprise he’s struggled throughout his life. I don’t know Hunter Biden, but I have a great deal of sympathy for him. I was not referring to his drug use but rather his womanizing and sleeping with his brother's widow. Yes, I know it it was a consensual relationship, but since I'm a widow, to me, that feels predatory during a time of grief. I do have empathy for his family tragedies. I understand where you’re coming from. I think I just look at him and see this really damaged person, and it tugs at my heart a bit.
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Post by sasha on Oct 29, 2020 19:29:00 GMT
I was not referring to his drug use but rather his womanizing and sleeping with his brother's widow. Yes, I know it it was a consensual relationship, but since I'm a widow, to me, that feels predatory during a time of grief. I do have empathy for his family tragedies. I understand where you’re coming from. I think I just look at him and see this really damaged person, and it tugs at my heart a bit. I shouldn't have said POS. What happened to him and his family was truly tragic. And for someone like myself who has had to put the pieces back together for my kid who lost her dad at 14 going on 15, I should STFU calling someone that. No one should have to go through what he did.
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Post by peano on Oct 29, 2020 19:53:20 GMT
Several investigations have been mounted already and not a shred of evidence has surfaced that Joe was bribed; or was party to influence-peddling; or influenced foreign policy to help Hunter; or accepted foreign monies; or made secret deals with Ukraine, Russia, and China. I overdosed on vitamins the other day and wrote an essay about this already. There is NO evidence. None. I need to know what those vitamins are. My pep is pooped.
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Post by papersilly on Oct 29, 2020 20:34:53 GMT
(1) Hunter is a recovering drug addict with a complicated emotional health history. That alone does not make him a POS. If you have further evidence, feel free to provide it. (2) the fact that it would not surprise you if Joe “helped” his kid (by which I presume you mean illegally helped his kid ... most parents are happy to “help” their kids when possible ... and legal) does not in any way constitute evidence that this actually occurred. (1) His drug addiction does not make him a POS. His womanizing and taking up with his brother's widow is pretty fucking shitty in my mind. (2) I didn't say he did it illegally but I'm quite sure he's benefited from being Biden's son in the business world and also in having his drug arrest expunged during a time when Biden was voting in support of the War Against Drugs. Typical politician's kid getting breaks because of it.In short, I'm voting for Biden. But I don't have to like everything about him. And I don't. There's nothing I find admirable about Hunter Biden. He's white trash. I'm not a Trumpster; I'm a democrat now. Biden was not my choice. i know i don't have a dog in this fight but here is my two cents: 1) it takes two to tango in that affair. they were both devastated and vulnerable. when the clouds cleared a bit, they parted ways. 2) whether the main politician likes it or not, there are a lot of people riding those coats tails from the get go. most parents (politicians or not) will help their kids. the good kids, the bad, the troubled, the lost. some kids will take advantage of their parent's success. this is not new. 3) every family has that ONE member of the family. even the political families. maybe especially the political families because they are in the spotlight so much and people have higher moral expectations of them. i'm sure Hunter wishes that he was the Golden Child that Beau was but he's not. clearly. but i don't know if that makes him white trash. as Lucy said earlier, he was an addict. he's had a troubled path. he might be slightly broken but he's not damaged goods.
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Post by sasha on Oct 29, 2020 21:08:21 GMT
(1) His drug addiction does not make him a POS. His womanizing and taking up with his brother's widow is pretty fucking shitty in my mind. (2) I didn't say he did it illegally but I'm quite sure he's benefited from being Biden's son in the business world and also in having his drug arrest expunged during a time when Biden was voting in support of the War Against Drugs. Typical politician's kid getting breaks because of it.In short, I'm voting for Biden. But I don't have to like everything about him. And I don't. There's nothing I find admirable about Hunter Biden. He's white trash. I'm not a Trumpster; I'm a democrat now. Biden was not my choice. i know i don't have a dog in this fight but here is my two cents: 1) it takes two to tango in that affair. they were both devastated and vulnerable. when the clouds cleared a bit, they parted ways. 2) whether the main politician likes it or not, there are a lot of people riding those coats tails from the get go. most parents (politicians or not) will help their kids. the good kids, the bad, the troubled, the lost. some kids will take advantage of their parent's success. this is not new. 3) every family has that ONE member of the family. even the political families. maybe especially the political families because they are in the spotlight so much and people have higher moral expectations of them. i'm sure Hunter wishes that he was the Golden Child that Beau was but he's not. clearly. but i don't know if that makes him white trash. as Lucy said earlier, he was an addict. he's had a troubled path. he might be slightly broken but he's not damaged goods. My initial comments were based on his womanizing. Hunter not only spent money on drugs, but also prostitutes during his marriage according to his ex. And then he was taken to court by stripper baby mama over unpaid child support. I have sympathy for what he went through. I understand he had terrible tragedies that happened to him, but there's other stuff I think is pretty gross that he has done in his adulthood. And as a widow who knows grief, both he and his tango partner should have found solace elsewhere. Both were old enough to know better to keep it in their pants. Trust me, you can be a widow and not fuck your kid's uncle. It's just really, really weird. On the coattails, yep I know they all do it. Anyway, didn't mean to derail this thread on my personal views of Hunter Biden. I shouldn't have said POS. I'm not going to apologize for white trash though.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 29, 2020 21:18:47 GMT
i know i don't have a dog in this fight but here is my two cents: 1) it takes two to tango in that affair. they were both devastated and vulnerable. when the clouds cleared a bit, they parted ways. 2) whether the main politician likes it or not, there are a lot of people riding those coats tails from the get go. most parents (politicians or not) will help their kids. the good kids, the bad, the troubled, the lost. some kids will take advantage of their parent's success. this is not new. 3) every family has that ONE member of the family. even the political families. maybe especially the political families because they are in the spotlight so much and people have higher moral expectations of them. i'm sure Hunter wishes that he was the Golden Child that Beau was but he's not. clearly. but i don't know if that makes him white trash. as Lucy said earlier, he was an addict. he's had a troubled path. he might be slightly broken but he's not damaged goods. Hunter not only spent money on drugs, but also prostitutes during his marriage. And then he was taken to court by stripper baby mama over unpaid child support. I have sympathy for what he went through. I understand he had terrible tragedies that happened to him, but there's other stuff I think is pretty gross that he has done. And as a widow who knows grief, both he and his tango partner should have found solace elsewhere. Both were old enough to know better. I realize you feel strongly about this, but I have to take issue with being “old enough to know better.” I know or know of two women who married their late husband’s brother of best friend. There are also other examples of it that I have read or heard of, so this type of relationship is neither rare nor taboo - and I can understand why. We also have absolutely no idea how people within the Biden family felt about it, including the children. (Just informationally, for those curious, they started dating more than a year after the death.) Not your choice? Fine. But on behalf of the people I know who made a different choice, I’m struggling with several claims things you have said about such a relationship.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 29, 2020 21:26:09 GMT
I was able to get my iPhone 6 battery replaced by a certified apple repair guy who owns a generatic repair shop. I logged into my account and he was the closest. It meant I didn't have to drive almost 2 hours to an actual Apple store. However I find it hard to believe that a computer repair person is going to copy someone's hard drives and just go through their emails. Well unless that person suddenly wants no one to do business with them ever again. Or that a guy (Hunter) would be so very fucking stupid to take his laptops to any shop to have them repaired and leave them there.
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Post by J u l e e on Oct 29, 2020 21:33:03 GMT
I had a friend when I was younger whose mom died. Her father married her mom's sister maybe two years later. The kids were all middle school age, and my friend LOVED this. She loved having her aunt in her home. She missed her mom so much. I think it probably helped her to have someone she loved, who also loved her and who made her dad happy, in her life.
I also know a friend of a friend who lost her husband. She married his best friend about a year later. I think it's only weird if we make it weird. And I also think it probably happens more than we'd think.
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Post by sasha on Oct 29, 2020 21:39:16 GMT
Hunter not only spent money on drugs, but also prostitutes during his marriage. And then he was taken to court by stripper baby mama over unpaid child support. I have sympathy for what he went through. I understand he had terrible tragedies that happened to him, but there's other stuff I think is pretty gross that he has done. And as a widow who knows grief, both he and his tango partner should have found solace elsewhere. Both were old enough to know better. I realize you feel strongly about this, but I have to take issue with being “old enough to know better.” I know or know of two women who married their late husband’s brother of best friend. There are also other examples of it that I have read or heard of, so this type of relationship is neither rare nor taboo - and I can understand why. We also have absolutely no idea how people within the Biden family felt about it, including the children. (Just informationally, for those curious, they started dating more than a year after the death.) Not your choice? Fine. But on behalf of the people I know who made a different choice, I’m struggling with several claims things you have said about such a relationship. Not my choice, no. My dead husband has a very good looking, single best friend I could have dated three years after his death. I didn't. My daughter had very strong views on this after picking up what she thought was flirtation on his part. She said he's like an Uncle to her and would have been very hurt and it would've felt like a betrayal of her dad. She was very supportive of me dating my boyfriend. I wouldn't have dated my late husband's best friend. It would've felt very strange to me. There's plenty of fish in the sea, so I didn't feel the need to dip into the family/family friend pool. So my view is clouded not only by that, but also b/c the man in question is a womanizer; a man who spent money on prostitutes during his marriage, procreated with a stripper than denied it was his child and was taken to court over not paying child support. If it worked out for the two women and their families support this, then good for them. I would imagine that their families probably did go through some "this is weird" views at some point though. I'm also betting that the men in question don't have the history that Hunter does. I wouldn't walk up to your friends and say, "Hey, fucking your dead husband's brother or best friend is shitty!" And if this were real life and a friend of mind did the same thing I'd probably be like hey, life is short, glad you're happy. I would not offer up my negative thoughts on it. But we're on a message board and I offered up my opinion on Hunter's womanizing. I also feel like if this were Don Jr., the reactions to my comments would be different.
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Post by sasha on Oct 29, 2020 21:53:05 GMT
I had a friend when I was younger whose mom died. Her father married her mom's sister maybe two years later. The kids were all middle school age, and my friend LOVED this. She loved having her aunt in her home. She missed her mom so much. I think it probably helped her to have someone she loved, who also loved her and who made her dad happy, in her life. I also know a friend of a friend who lost her husband. She married his best friend about a year later. I think it's only weird if we make it weird. And I also think it probably happens more than we'd think. That's awesome for your friend. And yes, I know it happens. See my comment above for some context on my feelings about this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 21:56:25 GMT
I had a friend when I was younger whose mom died. Her father married her mom's sister maybe two years later. The kids were all middle school age, and my friend LOVED this. She loved having her aunt in her home. She missed her mom so much. I think it probably helped her to have someone she loved, who also loved her and who made her dad happy, in her life. I also know a friend of a friend who lost her husband. She married his best friend about a year later. I think it's only weird if we make it weird. And I also think it probably happens more than we'd think. I don't have an issue with the dating his brother's wife. My parents had some really good friends that did everything together. One year, the wife of one couple died suddenly. A couple years later, the husband of the other couple died. The two widows dated and got married less than a year later. Their kids were not surprised. The remaining husband died recently and the widow is just lost.
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Post by J u l e e on Oct 29, 2020 22:01:40 GMT
I had a friend when I was younger whose mom died. Her father married her mom's sister maybe two years later. The kids were all middle school age, and my friend LOVED this. She loved having her aunt in her home. She missed her mom so much. I think it probably helped her to have someone she loved, who also loved her and who made her dad happy, in her life. I also know a friend of a friend who lost her husband. She married his best friend about a year later. I think it's only weird if we make it weird. And I also think it probably happens more than we'd think. That's awesome for your friend. And yes, I know it happens. See my comment above for some context on my feelings about this. I saw it after I posted. It was just anecdotal anyway. I don't have strong opinions about Hunter Biden or remarrying widows/widowers. I hear your feelings about both. (And I'm sorry for your and your daughter's loss.)
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