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Post by lisacharlotte on Feb 26, 2021 21:07:59 GMT
I brought it all up in this thread because I started seeing pleas from crafters I follow to quickly go read JM’s words of kindness and wisdom. I promise I don’t kick dogs or babies, but the sanctimonious “Be Kind Brigade” makes me snarky. Who know what prompted the lecturing. It doesn’t take much with them.
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Post by marg on Feb 26, 2021 21:59:57 GMT
I'm thinking an All Things Jennifer McGuire thread may be in order but can someone please explain the hysteria over this!? Seriously. I don't get it. "lose it's value" "BEST DAY EVER" Huh? The comments were so ridiculous too. (posting this here since there were some JM discussions happening) Weird!! I hate that her sticker says "a bit of kindness for you from..." It's very self-congratulatory. Can't it just say "A card for you from..." I don't know, maybe I'm being super petty because the kindness stuff annoys the crap out of me. If you're truly kind, you don't need to say it. It's like calling yourself "cool" - you're definitely not cool if you call yourself cool. I could go on... If I ever received a card from someone and it said "be kind" I'd probably never speak to that person again, lol. It's passive-aggressive.
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Post by quinmm14 on Feb 26, 2021 23:22:01 GMT
I hate that her sticker says "a bit of kindness for you from..." It's very self-congratulatory. Can't it just say "A card for you from..." I don't know, maybe I'm being super petty because the kindness stuff annoys the crap out of me. If you're truly kind, you don't need to say it. It's like calling yourself "cool" - you're definitely not cool if you call yourself cool. I could go on... If I ever received a card from someone and it said "be kind" I'd probably never speak to that person again, lol. It's passive-aggressive. I totally agree with you, if you have to constantly tell people that you're kind, maybe you kinda need to rethink why you're doing that. I mean, do you have to make a conscious effort to be kind?(asks the girl Bit*ching about kindness, lol) I had a friend buy me a little wooden sign one time that said "Let it go", this was after a coffee date and we were having a conversation about my coworker from hell who annoyed me with her every breath. I was pissed, but ended up letting my pissiness at her go, lol which is totally off topic.
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Post by julie5 on Feb 27, 2021 0:32:43 GMT
I hate that her sticker says "a bit of kindness for you from..." It's very self-congratulatory. Can't it just say "A card for you from..." I don't know, maybe I'm being super petty because the kindness stuff annoys the crap out of me. If you're truly kind, you don't need to say it. It's like calling yourself "cool" - you're definitely not cool if you call yourself cool. I could go on... If I ever received a card from someone and it said "be kind" I'd probably never speak to that person again, lol. It's passive-aggressive. Omg yes I hate that whole “be nice” schtick. I’m over here like bitch I might.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 1:42:05 GMT
I just checked out Simon’s IG. I wasn’t wowed by any of the cards he posted. I thought they were kind of meh. Certainly not inspiring to me & they didn’t make me want to buy the products. I feel like maybe he’s a novelty because he’s a teenage boy crafting & not the typical crafter. JMHO
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Post by Skellinton on Feb 27, 2021 2:06:15 GMT
So, while dinner was cooking I was peeking at instagram and EK vague posted about some rumors being spread about her.
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Post by joblackford on Feb 27, 2021 4:00:27 GMT
I'm thinking an All Things Jennifer McGuire thread may be in order but can someone please explain the hysteria over this!? Seriously. I don't get it. "lose it's value" "BEST DAY EVER" I'm sure it's a very nice card, and hopefully the person was just joking about not opening it (as a cardmaker I wouldn't be flattered by this nonsense at all, I'd be pissed - get excited about the card, not the branding sticker on the outside) but anyway, thanks for confirming that I don't need to go anywhere near that group.
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Post by joblackford on Feb 27, 2021 4:12:21 GMT
I hate that her sticker says "a bit of kindness for you from..." It's very self-congratulatory. Can't it just say "A card for you from..." I don't know, maybe I'm being super petty because the kindness stuff annoys the crap out of me. If you're truly kind, you don't need to say it. It's like calling yourself "cool" - you're definitely not cool if you call yourself cool. I could go on... If I ever received a card from someone and it said "be kind" I'd probably never speak to that person again, lol. It's passive-aggressive. YES! omg. I know a lot of people who make hundreds or thousands of cards to donate for people they will never meet and they don't call out their own kindness or bully other people into being kind either. It's a really weird brand to create for yourself. I mean, I do think it's kind to send handmade cards and I love to send kind encouraging and loving words to people, but I don't need to tell them that I'm sending them kindness. Here's a card because I'm such a kind person! Nope, that's just weird and wrong to me. The "be kind" sentiments are good for self-reminders in journals and the like, because most of us could be kinder to others and to ourselves. You don't send a "be kind" card to someone else. You send a "thank you for being so kind" card or "you're one of a kind" (I've really struggled to find good uses for my one "kind" themed stamp set).
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Post by sam9 on Feb 27, 2021 5:54:33 GMT
I also don’t think it’s necessary to send a homemade card to be kind. A store bought one is just as good and so is a simple note.
That sticker is condescending.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Feb 27, 2021 15:10:12 GMT
I’m glad I’m not the only one who reads “Be Kind” as a rebuke. So normally I’m a mean bitch and need your reminder?
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 27, 2021 15:18:33 GMT
From a psychological point of view, humility is an interesting quality as it makes people more helpful to others but also helps them perform better. If you're looking at kindness in its original form, being humble is one of its core components. Self-promotion is not being humble, especially when you're using the word 'kindness' as a metaphor for a tangible product like a card. You're saying: "I'm being kind to you." That's not humble. That's not actual kindness either. It's a transactional, self-promoting gesture. Ironically, from a basic marketing approach, this is a terrible move. Big no-no. But eh, this is one heck of a bizarre, cliquey, closed bubble industry that likes to defy reason and logics every now and then. You want to use a sticker on the back of an envelope containing a small free gift to promote your brand or business? "(Just) A little something from XYZ" There, that's how easy it is.
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Post by cbet on Feb 27, 2021 16:43:12 GMT
I just checked out Simon’s IG. I wasn’t wowed by any of the cards he posted. I thought they were kind of meh. Certainly not inspiring to me & they didn’t make me want to buy the products. I feel like maybe he’s a novelty because he’s a teenage boy crafting & not the typical crafter. JMHO Simon's style isn't mine, and most of his stamp sets are not my thing, but his inks are really nice and I love some of his stencils. I also really love his background stamps where pieces can come out and be used individually. I do think there might be a bit of a novelty factor, but he's been doing this for quite some time and has been doing demonstrations for other companies at shows since he was maybe 15? He's good at the teaching part, and I think it's good for the industry in general to have designers that aren't middle class white women - even if the stuff I gravitate to is mostly designed by those mcww
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 27, 2021 17:17:57 GMT
All the "people are being mean to me, let's all be nice to everyone" posts (from everyone, not Simon specifically) are getting a bit tiresome. All the nice people will get riled up, the trolls couldn't give a damn or feel satisfied (idk, I don't get trolls), and people with constructive feedback to share get lumped in to the mean crowd even if they're not. Be nice is a terrible thing to say anyway. It's as vague as it gets to begin with. What does it even mean? Hit that like button and leave a compliment in this context? Share your stuff even when you don't want to or have a valid reason not to just because it's expected? Sit quietly and accept in obedience rather than stand up and raise your concerns? Smile when you want to scream or cry? This is not how you build healthy social ties or an empowering community. There needs to be space for "ugly" emotions, for skepticism, for doubt and for debate so you can grow as a group and as individuals through confrontation of POVs and compassion. Being nice is dangerous, particularly for girls in patriarchy. Being accomodating in all circumstances makes girls and women even more vulnerable to predatory behaviour than we already are by simple physical disadvantages. Don't get me started on how it implies you can't speak up, have differing opinions, take up space in society, assert yourself and you should definitely not ruffle any feathers. Big no from me. Speak up, let your voice be heard, don't be agreeable for the sake of being agreeable, question the questionable, examine out loud and don't let anyone tap you on your fingers about it. In a female-dominated industry, this cannot be stressed enough. Anyhoo, shitty people being shitty to someone over their skin appearance and issues is shitty. Simon should block and move on but he's surrounded by people who all run around tutting any form of disapproval (valid or not) as not-being-nice-ness. I hope he wisens up and figures out that it's better to ignore some behaviour, be it from trolls or shitty followers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 17:44:10 GMT
That sticker is condescending. Just like the card-clique. You're saying: "I'm being kind to you." That's not humble. That's not actual kindness either. It's a transactional, self-promoting gesture. Yep Being nice is dangerous, particularly for girls in patriarchy. Being accomodating in all circumstances makes girls and women even more vulnerable to predatory behaviour than we already are by simple physical disadvantages. Don't get me started on how it implies you can't speak up, have differing opinions, take up space in society, assert yourself and you should definitely not ruffle any feathers. Big no from me. Speak up, let your voice be heard, don't be agreeable for the sake of being agreeable, question the questionable, examine out loud and don't let anyone tap you on your fingers about it. In a female-dominated industry, this cannot be stressed enough. So much this. Too many women have been too "nice" for too long when it comes to this world and the shitty place we were allowed to inhabit in it for too long. Anyhoo, shitty people being shitty to someone over their skin appearance and issues is shitty. YES. People's inborn looks should be off-limits w/anyone w/above grade-school emotional intelligence. That doesn't mean we can't comment on clothing styles, hair styles, etc. But noses? skin? eyes? body? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
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Post by riversong1963 on Feb 27, 2021 18:06:16 GMT
I think that sometimes silence can be deafening. It's often what you don't say that speaks volumes about your character. Not every criticism or unkind word on social media needs to be addressed. If you're going to be in the public eye, sometimes you need to ignore the stupid. He's young, so he will hopefully learn that. That being said, some people are just mean-spirited and have nothing better to do than make fun of and ridicule others. They are horrible little trolls with horrible little minds, and they will never be happy.
I agree with what so many have said about the "be kind" stamps and cards. I would be downright insulted if someone sent me a card that said that. In fact, I've stopped watching and following people because I find them preachy and phony. I was joking with my husband yesterday, and I said that I was so sick of the "be nice" crafting clique that I want to start a company called "The Hostile Crafter." LOL
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Post by quinmm14 on Feb 27, 2021 18:13:17 GMT
So, while dinner was cooking I was peeking at instagram and EK vague posted about some rumors being spread about her. ? ? ? ? A rumor is unsubstantiated or unverified information, so if we talk about something we actually see in her stories or read her words, it's rumor? Okay then. Because that's exactly what she's referring to. Maybe?
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Post by quinmm14 on Feb 27, 2021 18:18:29 GMT
I need to log off here and go spread some kindness now, cause I'm a bitch, lol I'll be back later to humbly share all the kindnesses that I managed to spread around my little world today.
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Post by marg on Feb 27, 2021 19:26:01 GMT
I need to log off here and go spread some kindness now, cause I'm a bitch, lol I'll be back later to humbly share all the kindnesses that I managed to spread around my little world today. My God, I feel you. I'm just so kind that it's super easy for me, though. I'm probably the kindest person you'll ever meet, actually. I'll tell you all about it later...
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Post by jediannie on Feb 27, 2021 19:58:59 GMT
and I said that I was so sick of the "be nice" crafting clique that I want to start a company called "The Hostile Crafter." LOL DO IT!
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Feb 27, 2021 20:23:45 GMT
and I said that I was so sick of the "be nice" crafting clique that I want to start a company called "The Hostile Crafter." LOL DO IT! I'll be super disappointed if the design team isn't made up entirely of Peas.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 21:27:58 GMT
I need to log off here and go spread some kindness now, cause I'm a bitch, lol I'll be back later to humbly share all the kindnesses that I managed to spread around my little world today. Good luck! I was called a Karen today so there's that. *public park, groom asked main trail to be blocked for professional photos. Um, nope. Find a secluded spot dude. This is a park, for the public. And you can't deny access to anyone. Even for 15 min - time they wanted to no people around. Ha!* Eta: so I was told to be kind, have grace, called a Karen, ect.
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Post by christinec68 on Feb 27, 2021 21:43:29 GMT
I need to log off here and go spread some kindness now, cause I'm a bitch, lol I'll be back later to humbly share all the kindnesses that I managed to spread around my little world today. Good luck! I was called a Karen today so there's that. *public park, groom asked main trail to be blocked for professional photos. Um, nope. Find a secluded spot dude. This is a park, for the public. And you can't deny access to anyone. Even for 15 min - time they wanted to no people around. Ha!* Eta: so I was told to be kind, have grace, called a Karen, ect. I guess the irony of calling you a Karen while they were asking for special privileges was lost on them. 🙄
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Post by wendifful on Feb 27, 2021 22:16:48 GMT
I agree with what so many have said about the "be kind" stamps and cards. I would be downright insulted if someone sent me a card that said that. In fact, I've stopped watching and following people because I find them preachy and phony. I was joking with my husband yesterday, and I said that I was so sick of the "be nice" crafting clique that I want to start a company called "The Hostile Crafter." LOL This reminds me of that (old) episode of Paperclipping Roundtable where they were talking about Amy Tan's new line Yes Please and Noell's husband (was his name Izzy?) said he was going to create a line called "No Thank You"!
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Post by joblackford on Feb 28, 2021 1:34:15 GMT
I agree with what so many have said about the "be kind" stamps and cards. I would be downright insulted if someone sent me a card that said that. In fact, I've stopped watching and following people because I find them preachy and phony. I was joking with my husband yesterday, and I said that I was so sick of the "be nice" crafting clique that I want to start a company called "The Hostile Crafter." LOL This reminds me of that (old) episode of Paperclipping Roundtable where they were talking about Amy Tan's new line Yes Please and Noell's husband (was his name Izzy?) said he was going to create a line called "No Thank You"! Yes, Izzy was all about his "No Thank You" line! I would've bought it. Sign me up for The Hostile Crafter.
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Post by Night Owl on Feb 28, 2021 3:12:05 GMT
Being nice is dangerous, particularly for girls in patriarchy Reminds me of the "keep sweet" mantra used by polygamists to keep the women in line. I saw an interview with a woman who broke from Polygamy who said:
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Post by carolnotkaren on Feb 28, 2021 4:18:40 GMT
I have never heard that phrase “Keep Sweet” before, how chilling! That description makes me nauseous.
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Post by paperamy on Feb 28, 2021 4:42:28 GMT
Latest Dear Lizzy Instagram story. Her kids (not wearing masks) rushing people in Walmart parking lot to give them cookies.
WEAR A FUCKING MASK. No “act of kindness” is worth it if you’re ignoring social distancing and not wearing masks.
Fucking hell.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 5:44:20 GMT
I have never heard that phrase “Keep Sweet” before, how chilling! That description makes me nauseous. Michelle Duggar said that a lot. And now I know why when you look back at all the crap the girls went through.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2021 5:46:00 GMT
Latest Dear Lizzy Instagram story. Her kids (not wearing masks) rushing people in Walmart parking lot to give them cookies. WEAR A FUCKING MASK. No “act of kindness” is worth it if you’re ignoring social distancing and not wearing masks. Fucking hell. When people have to pimp out their good deeds, it deletes the good deed. You aren't doing it to be kind, or show love, or spread happiness/cheer. You are doing it to make you look better and take away from other crap you do. No one is falling for it Liz
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 28, 2021 15:44:53 GMT
I have never heard that phrase “Keep Sweet” before, how chilling! That description makes me nauseous. Michelle Duggar said that a lot. And now I know why when you look back at all the crap the girls went through. None of you have sat through the Warren Jeffs tapes (and that's a good thing, trust me). Chilling. Just chilling. He has a speech affectation that is common in FLDS as well that accentuates the S sounds like a serpent about to attack its prey. Yuck. Here's one excerpt on the Keep Sweet doctrine (it's Warren speaking although Rulon, his father, is pictured):
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