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Post by mellyw on Feb 13, 2021 23:31:36 GMT
Consider Mitch McConnells speech after the vote as more like a hostage video. That was done for the donors. Nothing more, nothing less. GOP donors have closed off the spigot, and good ole’ Mitch has basically been told what he needs to say to get wallets opened back up.
If McConnell has what appears to be words coming out of his mouth, assure yourself that there is an ulterior motive. And that motive will always be getting back into power.
ETA- I’m not sure how much of his speech he truly believes. What is fairly clear is McConnell can’t stand Trump, but played the game because of the power it gave him. But Trump lost him his Majority title fiefdom, and that’s about the only thing that was going to make him turn on Trump.
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Post by Just T on Feb 13, 2021 23:32:06 GMT
I can only guess that no one in GOP has any ambition, because whilst Trump is around how can any of them progress through the ranks? Oh, I am quite sure Josh Hawley has his eye on the presidency. Not sure if he will run in 2024 or not, whether or not Trump does. He's new to the senate, but who knows. Obama didn't even finish one senate term when he was elected. I wish I knew why Trump has such a hold on the party. I remember when Bush lost to Clinton, and while people were upset, none of these shenanigans went on. What is it about Trump that has given him this power over the party? I don't get it. Back in 2015/2016 before he was elected, Graham, McConnell and others were outspoken that if Trump won, he would destroy the Republican party. He said Ted Cruz's dad was part of the assassination of JFK. He said the Iowa Caucus was rigged and that is why Cruz won. What the bloody he!! happened in the meantime to make them, and the entire Republican party, sell their souls to Donald Trump? Even now that he is no longer president, they are still beholden to him. I told my daughter this afternoon that I hope I am still alive when my grandchildren are in school learning about this period in American History. LOL (I don't have grandchildren yet, so it will be a while!) |
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Post by mellyw on Feb 13, 2021 23:53:18 GMT
I can only guess that no one in GOP has any ambition, because whilst Trump is around how can any of them progress through the ranks? Oh, I am quite sure Josh Hawley has his eye on the presidency. Not sure if he will run in 2024 or not, whether or not Trump does. He's new to the senate, but who knows. Obama didn't even finish one senate term when he was elected. I wish I knew why Trump has such a hold on the party. I remember when Bush lost to Clinton, and while people were upset, none of these shenanigans went on. What is it about Trump that has given him this power over the party? I don't get it. Back in 2015/2016 before he was elected, Graham, McConnell and others were outspoken that if Trump won, he would destroy the Republican party. He said Ted Cruz's dad was part of the assassination of JFK. He said the Iowa Caucus was rigged and that is why Cruz won. What the bloody he!! happened in the meantime to make them, and the entire Republican party, sell their souls to Donald Trump? Even now that he is no longer president, they are still beholden to him. I told my daughter this afternoon that I hope I am still alive when my grandchildren are in school learning about this period in American History. LOL (I don't have grandchildren yet, so it will be a while!) Part of Trumps hold on them, they are a minority party who’ve managed to stay in the majority for quite a while. And the demographics are going to get worse year after year for them. Simply put, they need that rabid Trump base to have any chance at getting back into power and keeping it. Reince Priebus initiated an autopsy after Mitt Romney lost to Obama in 2012. From that, they learned they have to appeal to the black and brown communities or never hold power again. Trump comes along and brings out a white vote that hadn’t been included in their autopsy, because that group,didn’t traditionally vote. So they saw an easier way to stay in power. Cultivate Trumps rabid base, while enacting laws to suppress the brown/black vote. But they’re smart enough to know that Trump is the linchpin, so will have to keep him in the fold. It’s just power begetting power. Josh Hawley is already running for President, it’s just not formal yet. He’s had his eye on 2024 for years. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 14, 2021 0:00:25 GMT
I would be curious to see what a secret vote would look like.
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Post by uksue on Feb 14, 2021 0:13:02 GMT
I would be curious to see what a secret vote would look like. That’s what I don’t understand . When I worked in child protection we didn’t talk to a child at risk with the suspected abuser sitting next to them - how could they ever talk freely? It’s the same here . If Trump starts regularly appearing again and I have to listen to that horrible voice and destruction of the English language again I Bbc will feel like flying out and getting rid of him myself. |
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Post by hopemax on Feb 14, 2021 0:27:00 GMT
That may be true, but listening to the role some witnesses played in the events leading up to and on January 6 just might change how some voters vote. As it stands now these Republicans get away with this stuff because they know they will be re-elected. Maybe just maybe listening to live witnesses, from both sides, just might have changed how voters view the Republicans and maybe not elect as many as long as they keep putting power over country. But we will never know now. It would be lovely if this could change voters minds, but we have to be honest with ourselves about the realities of that. We can't keep pretending that "if presented with reasonable facts and evidence" people will change their minds. How much evidence to we need to demonstrate that even in the face of facts and evidence people are more likely to dig into their position than change their minds? We are learning that the science doesn't support it. Even if people believe that Trump is culpable, most will not change their party votes because of the other systemic issues that have people believing that Democrats would do the same if given a chance, or are so corrupt that the outcome for Americans would be worse that this crapfest we have. We have to be pragmatic about how long hearing witnesses would take (meaning other Senate business does not happen), and the ultimate outcome of the vote. |
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Post by artgirl1 on Feb 14, 2021 0:41:03 GMT
Nancy Pelosi is going on about the cowardly Republicans at their little press conference. But the way I see it the Democrats were just as cowardly when they caved on witnesses. Would it have changed the final outcome? Probably not. But people would hear these Republicans answer questions, under oath, what happened that day like from McCarthy. But they caved once again. Its things like this is the reason the Democratic Party will never be the party that it should be. A bunch of wimps always shooting themselves in the foot. I am not so sure that they would have ever gotten any testimony from the subpoenas. Each person subpoenaed could have filed a Court challenge and it would take years. We are still waiting for a Court decision on the McGhan subpoena from last years Impeachment. And while the Impeachment trial was on hold waiting for responses to the subpoenas, the Republicans would have blocked everything in the Biden Administration, and continued blaming Democrats for holding up government. Any witness would not change the Republican minds. They are only there to protect their political seats, and not work in the interest of the American people. The resolution allowed for the complete statement of McCarthy's conversation be included as part of the testimony in the record. Even the slimeball trump attorney Van Der Veen said in his closing statement (this is paraphrasing)'that the Democrats are holding up Covid response, economic assistances, etc, things that would truly help the American people, while the Dems are engrossed in impeachment'. And all this time, I thought the holdup was the manipulation by the Republicans, and the complete failure of the dump administration. |
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Post by purplebee on Feb 14, 2021 1:50:41 GMT
Nothing will change the feeble minds of the racist, White Nationalist trump humping base. To many, he is still the messiah. They know that trump incited a terrorist attack on Jan. 6th, and they revere him for it.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 14, 2021 2:51:16 GMT
Fucking republicans.
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Post by ntsf on Feb 14, 2021 3:29:12 GMT
my dad (94) said when he heard the verdict. he was so depressed he went and took a nap. this has not ended in many ways.. lets hope the justice system kicks in and holds him account.. maybe many of those harmed in the attack will sue him personally... and win
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 14, 2021 4:26:16 GMT
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Post by Olan on Feb 14, 2021 9:59:24 GMT
Unbelievable really how people can vote these spineless people into office as their representatives. Mitch McConnell has represented Kentucky since 1985. That’s during Reagan’s years, for reference. He’s seen 7 presidents come and go, more than a few of them served full 8 year terms. During that time Kentucky has only fallen lower on the national rankings in most things and become more dependent on federal funding. All while enriching his own power and wealth. Yet they keep voting for him. Such madness and futility and voting against your interests, is mind boggling. The book title coupled with white people voting to maintain a harmful/deadly system. Racism is literally the biggest problem facing America and yet here we find ourselves year after year http://instagram.com/p/CLQNSKlsfX8 |
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 14, 2021 12:16:13 GMT
That may be true, but listening to the role some witnesses played in the events leading up to and on January 6 just might change how some voters vote. As it stands now these Republicans get away with this stuff because they know they will be re-elected. Maybe just maybe listening to live witnesses, from both sides, just might have changed how voters view the Republicans and maybe not elect as many as long as they keep putting power over country. But we will never know now. It would be lovely if this could change voters minds, but we have to be honest with ourselves about the realities of that. We can't keep pretending that "if presented with reasonable facts and evidence" people will change their minds. How much evidence to we need to demonstrate that even in the face of facts and evidence people are more likely to dig into their position than change their minds? We are learning that the science doesn't support it. Even if people believe that Trump is culpable, most will not change their party votes because of the other systemic issues that have people believing that Democrats would do the same if given a chance, or are so corrupt that the outcome for Americans would be worse that this crapfest we have. We have to be pragmatic about how long hearing witnesses would take (meaning other Senate business does not happen), and the ultimate outcome of the vote. I agree. And as much as I would have liked witnesses, Rs would have turned it into a 3 ring circus. They would have called irrelevant witnesses specifically for the purpose of playing testimony and commentary on RW media. Dems would have had to issue subpoenas and that would have dragged things out more. And he would have been acquitted. I think that given the way that Rs operate, a commission is the better venue to get to the bottom of what happened. |
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Post by peasquared on Feb 14, 2021 18:00:54 GMT
This makes me very sad and very afraid for what March 4th may bring. What is March 4? Sorry, I didn't see this.  But, rainangel answered it. (Thanks) The only thing I can add is that some of his supporters are under the impression that Biden's Inauguration was fake and only for the business of the US and Trumps true, legitimate inauguration will be March 4th, the original date.  I honestly don't get it. |
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