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Post by gar on Mar 1, 2021 13:26:36 GMT
Apparently not, sadly @dottyscrapper
ETA - the photo was shielding the Prince as he was moved into an ambulance for transfer apparently, but the picture didn't have a clear caption except to say that it was yesterday.
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Post by Monica* on Mar 1, 2021 14:02:41 GMT
Oh no. I'm sorry to hear this update.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 14:09:23 GMT
Seeing the way they hounded Diana to death, I would have to say, "No". |
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Post by pjaye on Mar 1, 2021 14:18:53 GMT
I just saw this too - I looked up St Bartholomew’s Hospital online and it looks like their main specialties are cardiac and cancer services.
Even if it's not a specialty service of the hospital, most places can deal with minor heart conditions easily as it's such a common thing. If they've decided to move him to another hospital that suggests it's a bit more serious or he needs a specialist intervention (as as having a pacemaker inserted etc).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 14:21:49 GMT
I just saw this too - I looked up St Bartholomew’s Hospital online and it looks like their main specialties are cardiac and cancer services. Even if it's not a specialty service of the hospital, most places can deal with minor heart conditions easily as it's such a common thing. If they've decided to move him to another hospital that suggests it's a bit more serious or he needs a specialist intervention (as as having a pacemaker inserted etc). Private hospitals in the UK have no where near the facilities they have in a NHS hospital and they don't have specialist facilities either. |
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Post by gar on Mar 1, 2021 14:37:07 GMT
Yes, Barts is a heart specialist hospital.
He had bypass (I think) heart surgery some years ago so maybe not a surprise.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 14:48:33 GMT
Yes, Barts is a heart specialist hospital. He had bypass (I think) heart surgery some years ago so maybe not a surprise. A stent apparently in 2011 at Papworth according to the BBC. I don't remember that, neither do some of the reporters judging by their tone of surprise on some of the reports ! |
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Post by gar on Mar 1, 2021 14:55:19 GMT
Yes, Barts is a heart specialist hospital. He had bypass (I think) heart surgery some years ago so maybe not a surprise. A stent apparently in 2011 at Papworth according to the BBC. I don't remember that, neither do some of the reporters judging by their tone of surprise on some of the reports ! Ridiculous aren’t they 🙄 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 15:16:12 GMT
A stent apparently in 2011 at Papworth according to the BBC. I don't remember that, neither do some of the reporters judging by their tone of surprise on some of the reports ! Ridiculous aren’t they 🙄 They don't do their homework do they and they call themselves reporters  It was the Christmas he was in hospital when they were at Sandringham. I remember he was in hospital over one Christmas but I didn't remember for what. |
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Post by gillyp on Mar 1, 2021 15:48:46 GMT
The news is a little disconcerting but he’s in the very best of care.
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Post by gar on Mar 1, 2021 15:54:38 GMT
The news is a little disconcerting but he’s in the very best of care. Agreed. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 1, 2021 16:14:30 GMT
Well wishes for your Prince. May he recover to celebrate his 100th birthday.
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Post by carhoch on Mar 1, 2021 17:14:04 GMT
I’m not heartless I promise but when is it OK for someone to die ,he had a very long and very good life and most of the comments I read here are like ,oh no ,not now , this is so sad.
Personally I’m all about quality of life and not really about longevity ,if he has a good quality of life and still have fun well I hope he get better and get to go home and live another five years but if his quality of life is poor then ...
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Post by gar on Mar 1, 2021 17:28:27 GMT
I’m not heartless I promise but when is it OK for someone to die ,he had a very long and very good life and most of the comments I read here are like ,oh no ,not now , this is so sad. Personally I’m all about quality of life and not really about longevity ,if he has a good quality of life and still have fun well I hope he get better and get to go home and live another five years but if his quality of life is poor then ... We don’t know that his quality of life is poor at all do we? Personally I think it’s more about the fact that it’ll be a big deal for the UK and commonwealth countries...he’s been beside the Queen’s for umpteen years etc...and he wouldn’t be able to have the sort of funeral that I think he deserves, that as a country we don’t need the bad news, and...isn’t there always a sadness to lose someone you respect or care about? |
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Post by craftykitten on Mar 1, 2021 17:34:59 GMT
I think it’s a *different* sadness when someone dies at the end of a long and glorious life, but it’s still sad. I would never make a judgement about someone else’s quality of life, at any age.
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Post by carhoch on Mar 1, 2021 18:15:57 GMT
I think it’s a *different* sadness when someone dies at the end of a long and glorious life, but it’s still sad. I would never make a judgement about someone else’s quality of life, at any age. I am not judging about his quality of life , like I said if it’s good I hope he has many more years. |
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Post by carhoch on Mar 1, 2021 18:27:09 GMT
I’m not heartless I promise but when is it OK for someone to die ,he had a very long and very good life and most of the comments I read here are like ,oh no ,not now , this is so sad. Personally I’m all about quality of life and not really about longevity ,if he has a good quality of life and still have fun well I hope he get better and get to go home and live another five years but if his quality of life is poor then ... isn’t there always a sadness to lose someone you respect or care about? I love my mom dearly and I was very close to her but when she finally passed ,I was happy her suffering was over. again it’s all about quality of life for me and like said if he still has fun I hope he get better. |
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Post by gar on Mar 1, 2021 18:38:40 GMT
but when is it OK for someone to die I'm not sure there's a blanket answer for that is there? oh no ,not now , this is so sad. Were you not still sad when your Mum passed away? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 19:29:38 GMT
I’m not heartless I promise but when is it OK for someone to die ,he had a very long and very good life and most of the comments I read here are like ,oh no ,not now , this is so sad. Personally I’m all about quality of life and not really about longevity ,if he has a good quality of life and still have fun well I hope he get better and get to go home and live another five years but if his quality of life is poor then ... He's in hospital with an infection and now is being monitored for heart problems. That is no indication to anyone's quality of life whether they are 50 or 99. His quality of life was pretty good by all accounts and still was until he caught this infection. You make it sound as anyone at 99 shouldn't be treated for the infection they have because at 99 years old their quality of life is dubious. It's not as if he's been bed ridden for years and it would be a happy release for him to pass. It is sad that he is in hospital, It's sad when anyone is ill and has to go into hospital and are unwell whatever their age. One wishes everyone a good recovery. It would be particularly sad in his case if anything should happen to him especially for Britain whether he was 99 or 50. He's part of who we are as a nation. It's even sadder that he is so close to his 100 birthday and for anything to happen during this pandemic for a number of reasons. |
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Post by carhoch on Mar 1, 2021 21:46:12 GMT
but when is it OK for someone to die I'm not sure there's a blanket answer for that is there? oh no ,not now , this is so sad. Were you not still sad when your Mum passed away? In Switzerland euthanasia is legal , at the end mom refused treatment and they helped her cross over . In the week prior we had very long conversations about everything. What she wanted and what she didn’t want ,the love we had for each other . We cried ,we laughed and at the end I think we both were a peace .I cry that week and I don’t think I have cry sense . |
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Post by carhoch on Mar 1, 2021 21:49:55 GMT
I’m not heartless I promise but when is it OK for someone to die ,he had a very long and very good life and most of the comments I read here are like ,oh no ,not now , this is so sad. Personally I’m all about quality of life and not really about longevity ,if he has a good quality of life and still have fun well I hope he get better and get to go home and live another five years but if his quality of life is poor then ... He's in hospital with an infection and now is being monitored for heart problems. That is no indication to anyone's quality of life whether they are 50 or 99. His quality of life was pretty good by all accounts and still was until he caught this infection. You make it sound as anyone at 99 shouldn't be treated for the infection they have because at 99 years old their quality of life is dubious. It's not as if he's been bed ridden for years and it would be a happy release for him to pass. It is sad that he is in hospital, It's sad when anyone is ill and has to go into hospital and are unwell whatever their age. One wishes everyone a good recovery. It would be particularly sad in his case if anything should happen to him especially for Britain whether he was 99 or 50. He's part of who we are as a nation. It's even sadder that he is so close to his 100 birthday and for anything to happen during this pandemic for a number of reasons. We are all extrapolating maybe he still fine and kicking maybe he was bedridden for the last year we don’t know , I am not saying that they should not treat him I am just saying that for me it’s just about quality of life. |
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Post by gar on Mar 1, 2021 21:55:20 GMT
carhoch, I understand what you said about your Mum but that was between you and her...somehow I find it a little offensive what you’re saying about Prince Philip or were you to say it about any other elderly person.
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Post by carhoch on Mar 1, 2021 23:48:07 GMT
carhoch , I understand what you said about your Mum but that was between you and her...somehow I find it a little offensive what you’re saying about Prince Philip or were you to say it about any other elderly person. Sorry I offended you that was not my purpose and I mostly took him as an example ,It’s just seems that these days it’s never OK to die anymore and that seems so strange to me . One more thing if he was not who he is do you really think they would transfer him at his age for more treatment in another hospital , I don’t think so . |
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Post by pierkiss on Mar 2, 2021 0:00:13 GMT
carhoch , I understand what you said about your Mum but that was between you and her...somehow I find it a little offensive what you’re saying about Prince Philip or were you to say it about any other elderly person. Sorry I offended you that was not my purpose and I mostly took him as an example ,It’s just seems that these days it’s never OK to die anymore and that seems so strange to me . One more thing if he was not who he is do you really think they would transfer him at his age for more treatment in another hospital , I don’t think so . I do. They are upholding their oath by continuing to provide the best care until the patient or the patients family says enough. Drs don’t just look at your chart and say, “Oh, you’re 99? That’s a long enough life for you. Let’s get you packed up and sent home to die now”. Would there maybe be a conversation between the dr and the family and the patient to get them to really think about if further treatment is something they want? Probably. But in the end that decision is not up to the dr. They have to do what the patient and family wants. But deny services for no reason other than old age? Nope. |
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Post by carhoch on Mar 2, 2021 0:07:37 GMT
Sorry I offended you that was not my purpose and I mostly took him as an example ,It’s just seems that these days it’s never OK to die anymore and that seems so strange to me . One more thing if he was not who he is do you really think they would transfer him at his age for more treatment in another hospital , I don’t think so . I do. They are upholding their oath by continuing to provide the best care until the patient or the patients family says enough. Drs don’t just look at your chart and say, “Oh, you’re 99? That’s a long enough life for you. Let’s get you packed up and sent home to die now”. Would there maybe be a conversation between the dr and the family and the patient to get them to really think about if further treatment is something they want? Probably. But in the end that decision is not up to the dr. They have to do what the patient and family wants. But deny services for no reason other than old age? Nope. From the start I said that if his quality of life is good they should absolutely treat him , my point was always that it all depends on the quality of life . And there is no way he is not treated differently because of who he is but that for every powerful or/and wealthy person. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 0:11:35 GMT
carhoch , I understand what you said about your Mum but that was between you and her...somehow I find it a little offensive what you’re saying about Prince Philip or were you to say it about any other elderly person. Sorry I offended you that was not my purpose and I mostly took him as an example ,It’s just seems that these days it’s never OK to die anymore and that seems so strange to me . One more thing if he was not who he is do you really think they would transfer him at his age for more treatment in another hospital , I don’t think so .Yes, they would. I have no doubt about that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 0:16:44 GMT
I do. They are upholding their oath by continuing to provide the best care until the patient or the patients family says enough. Drs don’t just look at your chart and say, “Oh, you’re 99? That’s a long enough life for you. Let’s get you packed up and sent home to die now”. Would there maybe be a conversation between the dr and the family and the patient to get them to really think about if further treatment is something they want? Probably. But in the end that decision is not up to the dr. They have to do what the patient and family wants. But deny services for no reason other than old age? Nope. From the start I said that if his quality of life is good they should absolutely treat him , my point was always that it all depends on the quality of life . And there is no way he is not treated differently because of who he is but that for every powerful or/and wealthy person.Not in this country he wouldn't. A Doctor will give you that same care whether you were a pauper or a Prince. The only difference he would have as a private patient who is looked after by the same Doctors that also care for a non private patient is that his food is probably a bit tastier and that he had a private room rather than be in a four bedded bay shared with three other patients. His medical care would be mo different to yours or mine. |
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Post by scrappinmama on Mar 2, 2021 0:38:05 GMT
It's hard to lose a loved one no matter the age. My husband was equally as devastated to lose his 91 year old father as he was his 78 year old father. I guess the only comfort was that he could say his dad lived a long time, but it was still painful to lose him. If they can maintain quality of life, then great. But I wouldn't want someone who is 99 to have to deal with extensive or painful treatments. Maybe they are just offering comfort care for him at this point. In any event, I hope he is not in any pain.  |
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Post by pjaye on Mar 2, 2021 3:24:52 GMT
One more thing if he was not who he is do you really think they would transfer him at his age for more treatment in another hospital , I don’t think so . I think that would depend on a number of factors - what the actual medical condition is and how complicated the treatment is & the chances if it being successful as well as considering the wishes of the patient and the immediate family. It seems likely that they think he's well enough to undergo whatever treatment is necessary and they obviously think it is still worthwhile doing but also that he's agreeing to it. I think if PP had enough and clearly said so and the family agreed to his wishes, then they wouldn't have transferred him. At his age, if he said "no more" then I'm sure they would respect that. |
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Post by gar on Mar 2, 2021 9:20:03 GMT
I do. They are upholding their oath by continuing to provide the best care until the patient or the patients family says enough. Drs don’t just look at your chart and say, “Oh, you’re 99? That’s a long enough life for you. Let’s get you packed up and sent home to die now”. Would there maybe be a conversation between the dr and the family and the patient to get them to really think about if further treatment is something they want? Probably. But in the end that decision is not up to the dr. They have to do what the patient and family wants. But deny services for no reason other than old age? Nope. From the start I said that if his quality of life is good they should absolutely treat him , my point was always that it all depends on the quality of life . And there is no way he is not treated differently because of who he is but that for every powerful or/and wealthy person. And as I have said, we have no reason to believe he didn't have a decent quality of life - you do remember he walked into the hospital initially so no, he hasn't been bedridden for a year. And any person would have been given the same quality of care by the NHS...you're barking up entirely the wrong tree with that one. I think perhaps if you want to discuss euthanasia/quality v quantity of life etc then maybe a separate thread would be better. IMHO it doesn't sit well in this one. |
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It was the Christmas he was in hospital when they were at Sandringham. I remember he was in hospital over one Christmas but I didn't remember for what.
