Harry & Meghan Oprah Interview Tonight

All in all its a horrible situation for all to be involved in. Words get twisted, feelings get hurt. I have no doubt that there are folks within the royal family & their employees that are racist whether they realize it or not. Setting race aside for a second, it takes years and years to get used to the kind of change that Meghan went through - leaving family & friends behind, giving up her independence, her job, moving country, getting married & having a baby and that's before we even get into what it must be like to become part of the "British Upper Class" with all their rules, snobbery and stiff upper lip bs. Then there is the media.... Before Kate's marriage to William, there were snide reports in the UK press about her mother being an air hostess and not being good enough for him. The UK media can/is vicious and nasty. You only have to listen to Piers Morgan, spew his toxic venom to get a sense of how irrationally hated she is by certain people.

In the end, they both needed support and they didn't get it. I hope that eventually when all this dies down, Harry can reconcile with his family and that he & Meghan live a happy and rewarding life and that the Royal Family has a serious "come to Jesus" reckoning especially around family members like Prince Andrew. If the Monarchy is to survive they are going to have to put serious effort into modernizing and I'm sad that Meghan couldn't have been a part of that.

I haven't read all of the responses but I did watch it. I feel like the media are pulling pieces out of context (as they usually do) to sensationalize. I'm sure that they (M, H, & O) knew that would happen.

I do admire their discretion in most of their answers. Oprah didn't push when they said that they wouldn't say this or that. I think Meghan is spot on when she said that there are two "versions" of perception, the public and then the private. It's like with anyone who is a celebrity, but x 100.

I'm not a huge M & H follower, but I do see the parallels that Harry spoke of with "history repeating". I also agree that they missed a HUGE opportunity to show acceptance and diversity. It could have gone SO differently. Race is a big deal, but they could have made it not a big deal by how they treated that part of the situation. How will their children feel when they are old enough to understand that they were/are literally royalty but they weren't accepted or given their birthright because of their race? I know they won't be raised that way, but it's out there, they'll know.

It wasn't anyone's present day decision. Archie will get one when his grandfather is King. This was decided long before H&M ever met. 

Archie isn't the only non-Cambridge great-grandchild the Queen has. Zara's and Peter's kids don't have titles. Even if we're to believe that's because Zara and Peter don't have titles, Eugenie does, and she just had a baby who is as white and English as one can be, but he didn't get a title.

I guess some view William + Harry as the same. But they aren't and were never going to be.

That isn't what happened.

You still don’t get it. Whatever they wished to do they couldn’t do it without changing the law. It has nothing to do with any member of staff.....it’s the law of the land.

The Firm or whatever one wants to call it caused all this turmoil by their actions. Just like when it happened with Diana.

To be clearer, the Firm is its own worst enemy. It’s like they just can’t help themselves. So I have very little sympathy for the gang in the UK and how they are feeling after the interview.

If I have a grip against Harry and Meghan it’s I think they would have been better off buying a house up here in Northern California rather then down in Southern California. 😀.

Other than that I wish them well in their endeavors whatever they might be.

This was not in the gift of the Queen to do, to just change the order of succession, it required an act of Parliament and I pretty sure it involved the agreement of all the Commonwealth countries.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_to_the_Crown_Act_2013

Darcy Collins, we might be talking at cross purposes, I took your post to mean The Queen had changed the first male rule. I'm no expert on the titles, every time I think I understand another rule appears out of the woodwork.

I think that's actually my point - I understand that the change to the succession required a change to the law, but the changes to use of HRH, HH and/or prince/princess appears to be by decree - if not the reporting on it is pretty poor.



royalcentral.co.uk/features/history-blogs/history-of-royal-titles-hrh-and-princeprincess-2064/

I've now watched the entire interview and I still believe her and I believe Harry.

They left because Harry didn't want his wife and possibly his son to meet the same fate as his mother. He wasn't getting the protection and support he needed from the royal family so he made his own way. I think he did the right thing.

Wondering how dark a baby's skin color will be is not at all the same thing as wondering whether he/she will have red hair or blue eyes. Skin color is about race and how the world sees the person. I imagine the implication is wondering if the baby will have a light skin color, maybe light enough to pass. It's racist.

Megan needed mental health care and according to her, she could not get it.

I think the royal family is punishing Harry so that no one else will get the idea they can move abroad and live their own lives. It's a business and you don't want your 'employees' off writing their own rules. I agree that the money should be cut out if they aren't doing the duties involved but it is a loss for everyone to break the family ties.

Those types of questions could be something innocent, but it is also possible that they weren't.  Especially with a number of other things that lead to feelings of racism by the family and/or the press/citizens of the UK.  It sounds like Harry was there when the comment was made and he indicated that it was based in racism as well, and he presumably knew the person well who said it. 

What is bothersome in this thread is that so many are automatically painting Megan as a liar, a grifter, a manipulator, etc without taking any time to hear what she is saying and put themselves in her shoes.  She has always been treated like an outsider and even in this thread people were speculating that the RF was counting on their marriage not working--even before they were married.  No matter how much people want to believe that the royal family is this idealistic fairy tale family, they are not.  I get that if you have idolized them your whole life it would be difficult to recognize that they aren't what you think behind closed doors.  But looking at things a little more objectively would be helpful for some. They have difficult family dynamics just like anyone else.  And we are not privy to the details of their relationships.

As for Megan being told that she couldn't access mental health care due to the optics--I don't doubt that, even though the RF had worked to advocate mental health care in the past.  I'm sure they view it to be different in their minds when it is one of their own.  And I am sure the tabloids would have had a field day with that.  THAT is the real issue that people need to be asking--rather than indicating that she must be lying about it because she knew how to get help.  

Apologies for the huge detour, but this stuff just cracks me up! And to dispel any doubt on the process, it's stated very specifically when the decision was made that Prince Edward's children would not have HRH despite being grandchildren of the monarch through the male line ie 1917 letters