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Post by sideways on Mar 8, 2021 23:03:08 GMT
Because you revel in your hate for them. It’s like you get off on it. Then when you’re called out on your bizarre,hateful obsession, you get very defensive. As for your hate of Harry, well, he had the audacity to marry a black woman you despise. Carry on with your hatefest. I don't think this is anything new of her style. She made a comment once about Australia not having a history of bringing in slaves and when I posted links to the truth (including from government websites acknowledging the history of it), she called me an idiot and said I was Olan Thread with those posts: 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/107937/racism-countries?page=2&scrollTo=2960789Whether she's racist or not, I don't know, but she's definitely bloody minded when she decides on an opinion. I know that. I mean, how dare anyone challenge the great pjaye. I was really focusing her bizarre, hateful obsession with M & H.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 23:42:11 GMT
She was pregnant with Archie, but wanted to commit suicide?! I mean I would have half way of believed it if she said after Archie was born. Diana threw herself down a flight of stairs when she was pregnant with Harry.
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Post by busy on Mar 8, 2021 23:48:17 GMT
She was pregnant with Archie, but wanted to commit suicide?! I mean I would have half way of believed it if she said after Archie was born. "The prevalence of suicidal thoughts and self-harm in the year before and after giving birth nearly tripled among childbearing people between 2006 and 2017, according to the findings in JAMA Psychiatry. The greatest increases were seen among Black, low-income, and younger individuals, along with people with comorbid anxiety and depression or serious mental illness." labblog.uofmhealth.org/rounds/suicide-risk-during-pregnancy-after-childbirth-on-rise
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Post by Olan on Mar 8, 2021 23:52:58 GMT
She was pregnant with Archie, but wanted to commit suicide?! I mean I would have half way of believed it if she said after Archie was born. Diana threw herself down a flight of stairs when she was pregnant with Harry. As a Black woman who wasn’t welcomed into the family a large part of why I walked away is because my parents are dead and the only set of grandparents my future children would have had would have been my ex-partners. One morning I realized how selfish it would be bringing kids into that type of environment and just cried and cried. I bet Meghan had a similar dilemma which contributed to feeling suicidal. Everyone wants the best for their children and when you know you are birthing into a racist shit show I can’t imagine the angst. Another thing to note not giving his parents the pleasure actually prolonged the relationship. We were together for 6 years and it was probably 3 years too long. O and guess who still married a Black woman. His wife looks a lot like me minus our hairstyle choice so I bet his mom can’t believe her luck. 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by sam9 on Mar 9, 2021 0:32:46 GMT
Just the fact that the BRF still exists is laughable. Really just a tourist trap. The same goes for all the royal families left in the world. Who is the current monarch of France? Correct! France got it right.
Megan chose to marry into this situation. I have no sympathy for her. I do have sympathy for Harry. He had no choice. I would not be surprised if all along his intention was to get out of the craziness that is the BRF. He was lucky to meet someone from another country that he fell in love with. Good luck to them.
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Post by birukitty on Mar 9, 2021 1:04:23 GMT
I watched it and feel bad that I did. That said, I really have never liked her so perhaps my opinions were tainted. The Monarchy is a family and a business. To me, when you are marrying a member of a family, you are also marrying into a family. In this case, you are also marrying into the business. Just because you didn’t do your research doesn’t mean they are bad people. It means that you made a mistake and didn’t do your research. While in a family, your child is just as important and exciting as your siblings child, in public and in a Monarchy, your child doesn’t hold the same rank and your sibling’s child who is in line for the Crown. Sorry, that is reality. She came across as a prima donna and always had done. Her expectations and reality didn’t come together. Case in point is her meeting the Queen for the first time. I could almost hear her thoughts of, “Oh seriously, I have to courtesy?” That would be a clue that perhaps reality isn’t in line with your expectations. Another point is her and Harry’s job. Yes, life happens and there are times that you have to just suck it up, put on a smile and go to work. That is reality. The RF is photographed. The RF are all scrutinized. I mean Kate wears the same dress and we get pictures from the 1st time she wore it as compared to now. Kate is more in line with reality than the amount of money spent on Meagan’s clothing, but both are commented on in the media. It comes down to respect. Kate earned the respect she is given because she respects others. Even in respecting the privacy of the family. Meagan could have her voice and respect if she had simply gone about it differently. I do believe that “the Firm” talked about race before marriage. I am sure “the Firm” discussed many things like, married before, divorced, actress, American, etc. To me, it is only natural for a loving family to express their concerns and point out things to consider. But both have taken the discussions like a huge negative - Meagan about race and Harry has let it ruin a good relationship with his brother. I listened to Harry throwing Prince Charles and his family under the bus and I kept thinking about the consequences. I admire Prince Charles wanting Harry to write down his plan. It puts it on paper and forces you to think about the consequences. Being Royal and being in the public is his job. If he doesn’t want to do his job then he doesn’t get the money. Sort of like everyone else. We would all like the money and not have to work. But that isn’t reality. To me, she deserves an award for her acting. She used all the right buzz words. She uses them with Harry to manipulate him to get what she wants. While I totally believe her when she states that she was feeling like, “What have I gotten myself into and how do I get myself out of this,” it comes across like, once again, too manipulative. Again, using the buzz words and worse of all, using the same situation as Diana to get to Harry. And before you go off on me for being unsympathetic and calling suicidal feelings manipulative, I have btdt and even admitted to the hospital after a suicide attempt. Meagan’s situation just felt different and more like she wanted attention. I feel badly for all involved. It has to be hard on everyone and no one deserves to be thrown under the bus. Thanks for indulging me. I apologize for my length, I have no one to talk with about the show. I also have my opinions and last night just cemented my opinions of Meagan and Harry. This is how I feel 100%. Including being admitted to a hospital for outpatient treatment for depression in the past.
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Post by gabby80 on Mar 9, 2021 1:09:52 GMT
She used all the right buzz words. She uses them with Harry to manipulate him to get what she wants. I don't think it is any coincidence that she told Harry that she felt suicidal during her pregnancy when it is the very same thing that his mother felt during her pregnancy with him. He has suffered over his mother's death and there is nothing in the world that would get him to do what someone wanted than to make the comparison to the tragedy that was Diana's life.
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Post by Olan on Mar 9, 2021 1:30:09 GMT
The level of manipulation that would require is expert level and pretty sick. No?
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Post by sideways on Mar 9, 2021 1:33:25 GMT
Wow! There are some psychics or mind-readers here to know all Meghan’s thoughts, plans, and ulterior motives! I’m amazed at all of your extraordinary abilities! 🙄
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Mar 9, 2021 1:49:07 GMT
I like Harry and Meghan, and I wish them well. I love William and Kate. I do not like Camilla or Andrew.
I think, that perhaps Meghan thought she would swoop in and become the next Princess Diana. When she came on scene, she was met with "the rules, the protocols, the hierarchy, the you can and cannot do......, etc....". Suddenly she was not the "star" and she was being told what to do. That likely did not go over well, as she is an independent American woman, who is used to making her own decisions and doing whatever she wants to do. I have a feeling she came in with a "diva and star" attitude and ruffled some staff and senior Royal feathers right at the start, which doesn't not make for a smooth new beginning in the next chapter of one's life.
In the interview, she says she had no idea what was the whole "being a Royal" meant or entailed, or what was going to be expected of her. This surprised me. Most strong independent woman would take it upon themselves to their homework and research, and not jump blindly into whatever it was that they intended on doing (project, next step in life, career move, major purchase, joining Royal Family, etc...) without first doing some research. She claims to have done no research at all??
Harry: I think he is still hurting from the loss of his Mother, as well as from being labelled "the spare". Always second best.
I think Meghan gave him the gumption to step away. I think they are both in middle of trying to settle into a new life, a new lifestyle, and trying to figure out their Royal balance. I think it hasn't gone a smoothly or privately as it should have. Nor has it been done with as much grace or class as it should have. Hopefully, they will find their way, as well as finding some healing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 2:18:10 GMT
Darcy Collins , we might be talking at cross purposes, I took your post to mean The Queen had changed the first male rule. I'm no expert on the titles, every time I think I understand another rule appears out of the woodwork. I think that's actually my point - I understand that the change to the succession required a change to the law, but the changes to use of HRH, HH and/or prince/princess appears to be by decree - if not the reporting on it is pretty poor. It's a letters patent under the seal of the Crown ( the Queen) in this case. It's still a legal document and needs a valid reason for sealing one. HH hasn't been used in Britain for decades. HRH came into being in Queen Victoria's reign.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 9, 2021 2:48:40 GMT
Wondering how dark a baby's skin color will be is not at all the same thing as wondering whether he/she will have red hair or blue eyes. Skin color is about race and how the world sees the person I completely disagree. Skin colour is a physical characteristic determined by what combination of genes you have and is expressed by the amount (or lack of) melanin in your skin. It's the exact same thing as eye colour and hair colour etc. Wondering about the genetics of how much melanin a person will end up having isn't automatically racist. For some people who assign negative attributes to the amount of melanin - then it becomes problematic, but not every person in the world does that (as as much some people here would like us to believe that) "Race" on the other hand is a social construct - race is much more complex than just the amount of melanin a person does or doesn't have. People can identify themselves belonging to the same race even when their skin colours cover a wide spectrum. There are lots of people who can wonder about a baby's eventual skin colour when it's parents are both different, that interest in genetics, and how combinations of genes express physically is not in itself "racist". Now I'm not denying that for some people it is, of course racism exists. But it's not a fact that it is true for everyone. Meghan says herself she was not involved in those conversations, she did not hear any comments herself and she was told about them from Harry. That's hearsay and there's a reason it's not admissible in a court of law...because it's not the same as being involved in that conversation personally. I'm also not going to take every word Harry says about race as gospel, this was a man who said "you look like a fucking rag-head" and "he's our little Paki friend" along with thinking a swastika arm band was a cool fun thing to wear to a party. They are both happy to throw around racism accusations but neither have ever addressed Harry's own past comments/actions.
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Post by hookturnian on Mar 9, 2021 2:52:56 GMT
Both of them would have/should have known why and that it had nothing to do with the colour of Archie's skin. Harry has cousins with children, all white and non of them have titles but they are all great-grandchildren of the Queen. Why should they expect different for theirs?To me, what was different about Archie vs. his cousins is he is a direct grandchild of Charles, future king. With the Queen in her 90's, presumably Charles will become king while Archie is still a child. So "delaying" or leaving the open the option to not give Archie a title once Charles is king, vs. giving him one at birth, seems overly controlling, punitive, and influenced by their attitudes towards Meghan and Archie's heritage (yeah, racism). Seeing Harry and William grow up, did people honestly ever think Harry's future children would not be prince/princesses, and only William's? It was known when Harry was born that if Her Majesty was still queen when Harry's children were born, they would not be princes or princesses. And not just Harry's kids either. Only William's eldest son would be a prince. Any subsequent children would not be princes or princesses. The queen extended that privilege to all of Prince William's children shortly before Prince George was born. Prince Charles has made no secret of his wish to streamline the monarchy. Not giving Harry's children titles would be in line with that goal, even if it did raise eyebrows.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Mar 9, 2021 3:02:39 GMT
Another thought I had is...
You never know how or what something is going to be like, until you experience it first hand.
Kind of like, you never truly know someone until you live with them. You can date someone six months or six years, there is still a learning curve and adjustment period that happens when you live together. Expectations are never reality.
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 9, 2021 3:09:04 GMT
The level of manipulation that would require is expert level and pretty sick. No? Indeed. And very sadly there are people out there who are exactly that expert level and sick. Whether Megan is one of them? The court of public opinion she wants to decide for themselves can only speculate...
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 9, 2021 3:10:59 GMT
Diana threw herself down a flight of stairs when she was pregnant with Harry. As a Black woman who wasn’t welcomed into the family a large part of why I walked away is because my parents are dead and the only set of grandparents my future children would have had would have been my ex-partners. One morning I realized how selfish it would be bringing kids into that type of environment and just cried and cried. I bet Meghan had a similar dilemma which contributed to feeling suicidal. Everyone wants the best for their children and when you know you are birthing into a racist shit show I can’t imagine the angst. Another thing to note not giving his parents the pleasure actually prolonged the relationship. We were together for 6 years and it was probably 3 years too long. O and guess who still married a Black woman. His wife looks a lot like me minus our hairstyle choice so I bet his mom can’t believe her luck. 🤣🤣🤣 I’m sorry you had these experiences and I’m glad you were able to extricate yourself.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 9, 2021 3:13:48 GMT
I was just wondering, has it aired over in the UK yet? I know clips have been released, probably transcripts too, but watching the body language and hearing their words also made up part of my reaction.
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Post by aj2hall on Mar 9, 2021 3:20:55 GMT
Wondering how dark a baby's skin color will be is not at all the same thing as wondering whether he/she will have red hair or blue eyes. Skin color is about race and how the world sees the person I completely disagree. Skin colour is a physical characteristic determined by what combination of genes you have and is expressed by the amount (or lack of) melanin in your skin. It's the exact same thing as eye colour and hair colour etc. Wondering about the genetics of how much melanin a person will end up having isn't automatically racist. For some people who assign negative attributes to the amount of melanin - then it becomes problematic, but not every person in the world does that (as as much some people here would like us to believe that) "Race" on the other hand is a social construct - race is much more complex than just the amount of melanin a person does or doesn't have. People can identify themselves belonging to the same race even when their skin colours cover a wide spectrum. There are lots of people who can wonder about a baby's eventual skin colour when it's parents are both different, that interest in genetics, and how combinations of genes express physically is not in itself "racist". Now I'm not denying that for some people it is, of course racism exists. But it's not a fact that it is true for everyone. Meghan says herself she was not involved in those conversations, she did not hear any comments herself and she was told about them from Harry. That's hearsay and there's a reason it's not admissible in a court of law...because it's not the same as being involved in that conversation personally. I'm also not going to take every word Harry says about race as gospel, this was a man who said "you look like a fucking rag-head" and "he's our little Paki friend" along with thinking a swastika arm band was a cool fun thing to wear to a party. They are both happy to throw around racism accusations but neither have ever addressed Harry's own past comments/actions. I doubt there was a discussion when Kate was pregnant about the color or complexion of her child.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 9, 2021 3:42:19 GMT
You can date someone six months or six years, there is still a learning curve and adjustment period that happens when you live together. Expectations are never reality. That's true, but there have been some pretty good examples of how it can all go wrong via Diana and Sarah. I read a blog post a few days before the interview that said: "Anyone being called a 'breathe of fresh air' should've been worried, ask the last 'breath of fresh air' (Sarah Ferguson) how it all worked out for her" There is so much out there about the issues both of those women had initially fitting in, and then being able to stay married long term to the Princes they married, how can any new person not think it's a good idea to try to inform and prepare themselves for the many obvious challenges ahead? At least we can give Charles and Andrew the excuse that they didn't know yet how crazy the media would be over their two new wives, but William and Harry sure knew by the time it was their turn - William managed to see what needed to be done and ease his wife to be into the role and ensure her eventual success, Harry just had to follow his example. Harry was the one that should have taken the lead here no matter how much she claimed she could cope.
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Post by MerryMom on Mar 9, 2021 3:46:49 GMT
Ah yes, certainly. I did not mean to suggest that the (non-royal) governance of the country or the royal-governance duties of the Queen are blurred with the Queen's role as a family member. I do not know which Royal family members/staff were most impactful on the decision to not give Archie a title. But I do think if Charles felt strongly about it (and more so if William and other family members agreed), and Charles would be the one in future who would handle the ramifications, the decision making might have been heavily impacted by the opinion of those family members. I think it is reasonable to think Harry has grown up thinking/being told his children would be princes/princesses--down the line from his brother--or given some other royal title. If there was other protocol that indicated only William's children would be princes/princesses, and Harry is more in the group with his cousins vs. his brother, I have never caught on to that. It wasn't anyone's present day decision. Archie will get one when his grandfather is King. This was decided long before H&M ever met. Archie isn't the only non-Cambridge great-grandchild the Queen has. Zara's and Peter's kids don't have titles. Even if we're to believe that's because Zara and Peter don't have titles, Eugenie does, and she just had a baby who is as white and English as one can be, but he didn't get a title. I guess some view William + Harry as the same. But they aren't and were never going to be. But that was due to their choice as opposed to being told that was what was going to happen. The other difference being Archie’s grandfather is the future King of England.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 9, 2021 3:50:26 GMT
I doubt there was a discussion when Kate was pregnant about the color or complexion of her child. Because genetically it was only ever possible for it to be one thing. No need to wonder about it - can be predicted with 100% accuracy. There were however lots of discussions about eye & hair colour, height and potential for baldness if a boy. Those sorts of things just interest some people - like how George had brown eyes and that's unusual (but obviously not impossible) considering he has parents who have blue & green eyes. If you aren't interested in the genetics and science of it then that's fine, but stop trying to ram this idea down people's throat's that those who are must be racist.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 9, 2021 4:10:50 GMT
But that was due to their choice as opposed to being told that was what was going to happen Was it? Like this statement on Twitter by H&M's PR person (& writer of their book Finding Freedom): They certainly made it sound like their choice almost 2 years ago. So were they lying about it then, or are they lying now?
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 9, 2021 4:14:56 GMT
It wasn't anyone's present day decision. Archie will get one when his grandfather is King. This was decided long before H&M ever met. Archie isn't the only non-Cambridge great-grandchild the Queen has. Zara's and Peter's kids don't have titles. Even if we're to believe that's because Zara and Peter don't have titles, Eugenie does, and she just had a baby who is as white and English as one can be, but he didn't get a title. I guess some view William + Harry as the same. But they aren't and were never going to be. But that was due to their choice as opposed to being told that was what was going to happen. The other difference being Archie’s grandfather is the future King of England. Prince Edward’s kids aren’t princess and prince, and their grandmother is the Queen of England and their father is the son of the reigning sovereign.
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Post by MichyM on Mar 9, 2021 4:15:16 GMT
I doubt there was a discussion when Kate was pregnant about the color or complexion of her child. Because genetically it was only ever possible for it to be one thing. No need to wonder about it - can be predicted with 100% accuracy. There were however lots of discussions about eye & hair colour, height and potential for baldness if a boy. Those sorts of things just interest some people - like how George had brown eyes and that's unusual (but obviously not impossible) considering he has parents who have blue & green eyes. If you aren't interested in the genetics and science of it then that's fine, but stop trying to ram this idea down people's throat's that those who are must be racist. Holy cow. You really are, very simply, a racist ass.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 9, 2021 4:31:21 GMT
Holy cow. You really are, very simply, a racist ass. Whatever - every scientist is a racist. Got it. So are all nurses and doctors and probably every single person ever to work in the medical profession because they deal with & think about genetics. Geneticists - racist! Research scientist - racist! Drug researchers - racist! You really are an incredibly stupid and narrow minded ass. You people have one track minds and the needle is well and truly stuck. Screaming it louder and more often still doesn't make it true. At this point it's being tossed out so often that it's lost all relevance and meaning and it's just dull background noise that can be easily blocked out.
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Post by gabby80 on Mar 9, 2021 4:36:47 GMT
I doubt there was a discussion when Kate was pregnant about the color or complexion of her child. They have similar hair and skin color. I know for sure it was brought up all through my pregnancies. I have dark olive skin and dark hair and dark eyes and my husband has curly red hair and freckles and green eyes. If I heard one conversation about wondering who the children would resemble, I heard 100. No one care beyond being curious. Almost any woman who is married to someone who is different from her in coloring or size has heard those comments.
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Post by samantha25 on Mar 9, 2021 4:38:27 GMT
I am a research scientist and do not group me in a racist category.
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Post by Olan on Mar 9, 2021 4:41:32 GMT
I doubt there was a discussion when Kate was pregnant about the color or complexion of her child. They have similar hair and skin color. I know for sure it was brought up all through my pregnancies. I have dark olive skin and dark hair and dark eyes and my husband has curly red hair and freckles and green eyes. If I heard one conversation about wondering who the children would resemble, I heard 100. No one care beyond being curious. Almost any woman who is married to someone who is different from her in coloring or size has heard those comments. Almost any? Where do y’all come up with this shit? Seriously?
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Post by dewryce on Mar 9, 2021 5:17:27 GMT
Well, I cracked and watched it. Here is what made my jaw drop: “A running theme so far is Meghan purposely not researching the inner workings of the family before joining. She said Harry asked her if she knew how to curtsy five minutes before she met the queen. “We were in the car!” It is incredible that she wouldn’t have done some research to know what she was getting into. That would help to explain why she struggled so much. She said something about how growing up, living where she did (LA?) she saw celebrities all of the time. And she knew celebrities. Is it possible that she conflated the Royal life and the life of a celebrity? I don’t know, but that, together with tabloid headlines, would explain a lot. I have no problem believing that she got depressed and felt suicidal. I do find it hard to believe that someone as resourceful as she couldn’t figure out how to get some sort of help.It was interesting, and it reminded me of what a skillful interviewer Oprah is. When I’m depressed my ability to think things through is severely compromised.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 5:58:06 GMT
Holy cow. You really are, very simply, a racist ass. Whatever - every scientist is a racist. Got it. So are all nurses and doctors and probably every single person ever to work in the medical profession because they deal with & think about genetics. Geneticists - racist! Research scientist - racist! Drug researchers - racist! You really are an incredibly stupid and narrow minded ass. You people have one track minds and the needle is well and truly stuck. Screaming it louder and more often still doesn't make it true. At this point it's being tossed out so often that it's lost all relevance and meaning and it's just dull background noise that can be easily blocked out. I'm not calling anyone racist but it's a bit of a leap to go from someone in the royal ranks questioning how black Harry and Meghan's baby is going to be vs being a geneticist. Not sure why you dragged scientists into royal drama/gossip. That's quite the false equivalence.
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